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Maynman:
“So we have to acknowledge that we are ASSUMING that reality is as we perceive it“ but this make sense?

Perceive means to understand.
If scientist understand what dark matters mean with facts and evidence.

Can you also make me understand what reality is with facts and evidence so when we finally know its true nature we can compare and contrast?

Perceive means to understand??
Bros, with all due respect I'm done with you.
You shouldn't be in this type of discussion

LordReed:
Was it you is the question.

I only have one moniker. I don't have time for ten monikers like some of you

LordReed:
LoLz. Your juvenile attempt to poison the well didn't work so now you still want to introduce your god after you said there is no proof sufficient to make a decision either way. Sorry not sorry, I reject your designer based on your own premises.

Still waiting for where I told you there is no god. LMAO!

After watching the world cup final I'll post it for you.
Meanwhile study the words CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence, as opposed to definitive proof!

Maynman:
If we can assume reality is as we perceive it, why can’t we assume reality is in its very true nature.

Science didn’t just wake up and say that they don’t know dark matter true nature, they didn’t ASSUME!

Your first statement doesn't make any sense. Either way it is an ASSUMPTION. That's the point.

Science knows dark matter is there because they can perceive it. They just don't know it's true nature.
Same way, we can perceive reality but we have no way of knowing it's true nature

LordReed:
I am suspecting you are that fellow who came around here before saying the movie Matrix was some kind of "true allegory" or whatever. We can see through your bullshit.

What has Matrix to do with this? Matrix is a movie

Maynman:
How did you arrive that reality has a true nature and we are currently not living in the true nature?

Even though we don’t know the “true nature” of dark matter, we understand what dark matters mean and with that we’ll know the true nature of dark matters as times goes on.


Is there a way we can understand this reality to differentiate it from true nature with facts and evidence?

That's the point. What we are experiencing may very well be the true nature of things. But we have no way of being sure. So we have to acknowledge that we are ASSUMING that reality is as we perceive it

LordReed:
You are the one playing games. You declare there's no way to know what is real and still want to say you know there's a designer. You are simply trying to pull the wool over your own eyes.

You are better than this na.
We have to first of all ASSUME that reality is as we perceive it. Once we are done with that,
CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE suggests a designer.

Maynman:
Are you dull?
If everything in reality is an assumption, how then did you perceive the reality in the first place?

We have no way of knowing the true nature of reality. We have to make assumptions about it's TRUE NATURE!!!

Read that over and over again

Maynman:
You are saying jargons that you’ve been feeding yourself and your fellow theist.

It’s no longer “EVERYTHING in our reality is an assumption - we have NO WAY of proving that reality exist as we experience it”

Are you daft, you said everything in our reality is assumption, how then do you know for sure their is reality, how do you know you are perceiving reality since it’s assumption?

Let me try to be patient.
The fact that we are perceiving reality is in itself reality.
There is no doubt that exists. Stop pretending you're am infant

Maynman:
Thats Stupid.
If pepper, tomatoes, onions can MAGICALLY exist, what then is stopping them from MAGICALLY arranging themselves in a pot to make a delicious soup?
What’s stopping the process?

PoliteActivist, Where in our reality is pepper, tomatoes and onions existing on their own?

My G, you really need to study philosophy a bit b4 engaging in this type of discussion.
ON OUR REALITY, things perfectly arranged to satisfy an appetite don't exist by coincidence, or don't always exist. Something ALWAYS arranges it!

Maynman:
Can a person be this brainless?
Earlier you said “EVERYTHING in our reality is an assumption - we have NO WAY of proving that reality exist as we experience it”

How then do you know your thinking is a reality or are you assuming?

You are yet to make any intelligent point, I’ll expose your ignorance.

I am finally giving up.
You are saying what you don't know and won't accept you don't know!
THE ASSUMPTION PERTAINS TO HOW WE PERCRIVE RELITY. THAT WE PERCEIVE REALITY IS NOT AN ASSUMPTION!!!!!
Stop being intentionally infantile!

Maynman:
Stop being an illiterate.

Have you experienced other reality to differentiate ours from them?

can you name the simple systems existing, and what are the complex system that needs a designer?

If you are using a delicious pot of soup as an example, an infantile example, then you also have to use the SAME example for things that have always existed.

Are you now saying a pot of sour soup can be existing?
And what’s stopping us from IMAGINING delicious pot of soup can also be existing?

I give up!

Pepper can always exists, tomatoes and onions too. But for them to arrange themselves perfectly in a pot and heat themselves to make a delicious soup, does not happen without a designer in this our reality!!!!
Bye bye

Maynman:
You sounding more ignorant.

Answer na
We know dark matter exist and we have fact to prove it.
Can you prove reality exist, have you experienced it to know?

Can a person possibly be this dense?!
My thinking is reality AND THERE IS NO DOUBT IT EXISTS!
Leave this topic alone. It is above you

Maynman:
You are the dummy that doesn’t know what he is saying again bwahahahah
With all due respect you are a dullard.

Which other reality? Do you have fact or just assumptions?

In our reality, which things do we imagine are always existing?
If we can imagine a thing existing, why can’t we imagine it in its beautiful state?
If we can imagine a soup existing by itself, why can’t we imagine it as a beautiful soup?
What’s stopping us from continuing IMAGINING?

Stop making a a fool of yourself.
In our reality we can imagine simple, unarraged systems always exiting. But in our reality delicately arranged systems like a delicious pot of soup ALWAYS have a designer behind them.
Now go rest

Maynman:
You are the retar.ded one
We know dark matter exist and we have fact to prove it.
Can you prove reality exist, have you experienced it to know?

In your first statement you said “ everything in our reality is an assumption” so prove the reality that’s not an assumption.

Go to Descartes. The fact that there is thinking (which fact is not in any way debatable) proves that something exists.
I think this discussion is a bit above your level. Leave it alone

Maynman:
Which other reality have you experienced?

“Things may always exist”Are you now saying that a soup can cook itself?

I think this topic is a bit a above your pay grade. With all due respect you sound dumb.
There may be another reality where a pot if soup can cook itself.
In our reality we can imagine things always existing but we can't imagine a delicious pot of soup cooking itself!
Ciao

jaephoenix:
That's not enough, we need to take it to the logical end

No need to. Once you accept there must be something/someone behind it all, we are good

Maynman:
Stop being a fool.
If you don’t know something true nature, how did you know it exist?
You must have experienced the “true nature” to be able to differentiate it from false.

Do you know if flying tortoise exist?

Ok, so it is confirmed you are slow. So let me get down to elementary: we know dark matter/energy exists but we don't know it's true nature

Maynman:
Whether you say “Was the universe always here or did it pop out of nowhere?” or “Was your favorite God always here or did it pop out of nowhere?”, it’s the same question.

In our reality as we experience it, things don't pop out of no where. Things may always exist but they don't arrange themselves such that a delicious pot of soup cooks itself by by chance

jaephoenix:
Lets just assume its your favourite cook. How do we know its him/her/they/it that cooked it, and what was the ingredients

Doesn't matter. As long as you accept that (in our reality as we perceive it) a pot of soup cannot cook itself

LordReed:
LoLz Go ahead i am here waiting. Meanwhile this what you said:

Reality is not real is what you said implies and yet you want to propose a designer so all you want is for me to shut up while you propose a god. Nope not accepted. If I have to shut up then you have to as well, no exceptions.

What is "real"? Stop playing with words. What I clearly said is that we have no way of knowing the true nature of reality

Maynman:
What does this mean? “ we have NO WAY of proving that reality exist as we experience it”

You that can read, answer.

Stop pretending you are an idiot.
REALITY EXISTS!!!!
We just have no way of knowing it's true nature!!!!!!

Maynman:
A pot of soup can be cooked by more than 20 people.
Then we need to ask, who created the pot? Who created the ingredients, who taught them how to cook? who created the fire they used?etc

Irrelevant. You just have to accept that the soup did not cook itself!

Maynman:
What does this mean? “ we have NO WAY of proving that reality exist as we experience it”

I’m ok, and you?

AS WE EXPERIENCE IT!!!!!

Can't you read??!!

jaephoenix:
Which particular 'designer'? There's at least 1000 of them

Take your pick. As long as you accept that a pot of soup cannot cook itself by accident. That our reality, as we perceive it, does not work that way

Maynman:
“ we have NO WAY of proving that reality exist as we experience it”

So that there is equivalent to saying reality does not exist? You sure u ok?

Judybash93:
LMAO! Things are just too right? Are you sure?

YES! You don't have a man then just accidentally have a woman that meets all his needs. And as you get older you find older people that used to repulse you as a kid now quite attractive. Explain that

LordReed:
Go find me where I stated there is no god. I don't believe in any god and since there is no evidence to be had then don't tell me about any designer, you have no basis to tell about any such designer as stated by you yourself.

You forget you said just that TO ME few days ago. I'll find it and post-it here.
As for designer, in this our reality, a pot of soup will not come together and cook itself without a cook. That's how our reality functions

Maynman:
Which designer again? Thought you said “ everything in our reality is an assumption”, and reality doesn’t exist.”?

Being sarcastic. You know full well I never said reality does not exist

LordReed:
Great so I am happy to discard all of it.

Great! Just don't go a step further and state there is no God.
Problem is those who keep demanding conclusive proofs when there are no conclusive proofs in our reality. All we have are assumptions and circumstantial proofs - which leads right back to a designer. Things are too well orchestrated and too just right to have been chance!

LordReed:
Then there exists no basis upon which to declare the existence of any deity, its that simple.

And there is no basis to declare the non-existence of any. Which is exactly my point

Workch:
this is strawman.
The issue here is not to prove reality, the issue here to to prove the potency of miracle using controlled method just the same way you can prove that levofloxacin can cure typhoid fever.

Whether or not reality can be proven, it wont affect the result

Well, you started with Atheists in your heading, not miracle. So you have to open another thread titled "miracles cannot be proven using scientific methods"!