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budaatum:
My being sure is not a concern of actual reality provided it actually happened.

An example is the certain fact that the sun rose yesterday and will rise tomorrow even one die before dawn and can never know.


No, I do not agree that all that exists are thoughts.

And I'm not currently interested in discussing the nature of thoughts with you because you don't seem to be aware that the thoughts you may be thinking can only exist because you exist to think them, and that is likely because you don't know you are thinking your own thoughts.

Why do you keep intentionally omitting the word SURE? SURE!!!!!!

I refer you to LAST THURSDAYISM again (below).
EVERYTHING can be made to appear to be there or appear to have happened when it never did, except the thoughts themselves.
Who is thinking when a possessed person is thinking. Who is thinking when people who died and came back said they were thinking while dead.
Bottom line: WE ARE NOT SURE THE NATURE OF THOUGHTS!!

budaatum:
Did you notice how many questions I asked you and that you ignored?

That's what a person who has no regard for the existence of others do. They rudely ignore others' existence.

I was just in a rush. I'd go see what the questions are and answer them

HellVictorinho6:
Which reality again nah?

The reality you think you are experiencing

HellVictorinho6:
The way u see them is also irrelevant to them

How do you know?

budaatum:
Did I say it was?

You are the entity that registered on Nairaland on June 15, 2019, thereby coming into existence as PoliteActivist.

And how are you sure that actually happened? I think it's time I trot out my Last Thursdayism again (see below)
Do you agree that all we are SURE exist are thoughts and that we don't know the true nature of thoughts?

budaatum:
You, told me that, lol. Guess that might be true if your postulate of you knowing nothing were not true in the first place, but since you claim you know nothing, can you see how hard it might he to be told anything by you?

For your information, reality is reality, whether it is experienced or not. A real tree falls in the real forest whether anyone experiences it or not. And a person's experience of a particular reality does not necessarily "highly probable reality is approximately as we experience it".

And what a nonsense sentence too!

Everyone has heard of the experience of those who grabbed parts of an elephant. And there's lots of record of our experience being so wrong it approximates to lies. There's even you here experiencing buda yet claiming you don't exist to experience!

People experience ghosts and demons. Do their "highly probable reality is approximately as we experience it" too?


He thinks therefore he is, in it's basic form.

So tell me. Is all you write the product of your thought or not and therefore evidence of your non-existence?

And I do ask despite my, "you exist, therefore you think", since there'd be no you to respond if you don't exist.


This, here, is my fundamental disagreement with you who would then say "highly probable reality is approximately as we experience it". It's like you just like jumbling words together without considering what you might mean.

If you are not sure, how can your experience highly anyhow be reality if you have not bothered to train your senses to better know whether you exist or not?

Do you agree that ALL we are SURE exist are thoughts and that we don't know the true nature of thoughts?

budaatum:
His senses must so not exist that he that doesn't exist can not feel his pain.

He reminds me.
https://www.nairaland.com/5133617/beans-not-beans#77534517

😂😅Lewis Carroll is craaazy!

Words do not mean certain things because of the way in which they are used; words are used because they mean certain things. Any new or ‘invented’ term must be defined by pre-existing and meaningful terms.

budaatum:
His senses must so not exist that he that doesn't exist can not feel his pain.

He reminds me.
https://www.nairaland.com/5133617/beans-not-beans#77534517

Is pain you?? Define you

LordReed:
Yes, my dear buda, even if they think they don't exist we know they do. Let's bitchslap their brain a bit more.

Who is "they"?? Budaatum please help me explain to him that the LAST THING a religious person would agree to is that it is possible reality does not exist EXACTLY as he experiences it!

budaatum:
You don't understand your so called experts.

The first line in your post says "it is a reasonable assumption that we do exist".

Or should we assume that you that doesn't exist would not feel pain nor be annoyed if I kick your ass that doesn't exist and slap your face that doesn't exist or just call you that doesn't exist dumb?

BUT I TOLD YOU THAT!!! Told you it is highly probable reality is approximately as we experience it. BUT we have no way of being sure!
What do you think is the context of Cogito ergo sum??

LordReed:
The fact is stupid people like you always want to feel you have secret knowledge so you deny what is clearly evident in favor of stupid tales you tell yourself. If you want to believe you live in a lalaland that's your prerogative, you don't get to tell the rest of us that the twinges, aches and pains we feel are not real.

It's just so funny how people like you and other religious people switch to solipsism once the facts slap you in the face. Must be some kind of defense mechanism.

See you and your stupid assumptions. What makes me religious? Saying something Descartes said centuries ago?? What do you think is the context of Cogito ergo sum?

HellVictorinho6:
They dont see you as someone that understands whatever they mean too

Irrelevant what they see me as. Simply acknowledge the fact you don't know what this reality really is, neither do you know if it actually exists physically!

LordReed:
Always runs to authority once stumped. LoLz. Pitiful.

Since you don't want to listen to your own common sense, what choice do I have? Something so obvious but you refuse to grasp it. It is not whether you like it or want to bleep with it - it is just a FACT of our reality!

LordReed:
Look at this Elon Musk fanboi talking about being smart. Bwahahahahahaha!

I don't Bleep with hard solipsism, if that's your jam good for you. What I know is here and now I have tools to investigate the universe around me with a high degree of confidence.

You don't have to bleep with anything. It is just something you have at the back of your mind while you "investigate the universe around me" - you don't know what this reality really is (example, you don't know what is water, or why) and you don't know if any of it actually physically exists!

budaatum:
The food you ate was in your thought, and no on a plate and put into your mouth?

Trust me when I say am delighted i that HellVictorinho6 is bothering to engage with you.

LordReed:
Except the reverse is not the case (Not that it is even true that you can do everything from real life in a dream). Not everything you can do in a dream can be done in real life which even Elon Musk fanbois like you can appreciate delineates reality from dreams.

I give up. I don't know why something so simple is hard for u folks to grasp. I'll let the experts below explain it to you

delzbaba:
Barbaric culture, what is the purpose of all that shenanigans?

Poverty

budaatum:
The food you ate today did not exist outside you before you put it inside your mouth because neither you nor your mouth actually exist.

My Lord, I blame you for repeatedly entertaining this non-existing individual.

The whole process occurred IN THOUGHTS (I don't want to say "in your brain" because I know you'd then ask dumb questions). ANYTHING you can do in "real life" you can also do in a dream or a matrix!
You ought really know this as a matter of course!

budaatum:
No one with a brain will study only what you've posted.

What they'd do is read the entire thread and conclude it's pointless trying to converse with you who is not certain you yourself exist and claims to know nothing since it's like discussing with a flatearther.

I got better things to do than debate people who won't acknowledge reality.
REALITY is that you have NO WAY of being SURE anything exists outside you. And "you" consists entirely of thoughts and memories. And since we are NOT SURE the true nature of thoughts and memories, their existence doesn't necessarily mean you exist!
This ought be obvious even to people who are not too smart, like our buddies LordReed and Francistown😆

735i:
Lol. I don't care about the likes tbh. I once disqualified a chap interviewing for Senior Associate role in investment banking because not only did he not understand it, he actually insisted he was right till the very end of the interview.
This was despite my trying repeatedly to break it down for him.
It's mind boggling how people are not open to learning and unlearning.

Oh, that's your field? That's where the money is!

735i:
It is impossible for a currency to depreciate by over 100%. This is shabby reporting.
It's true that the currencies listed have performed very badly, but their computations are wrong.

For a currency to be negative 100, it means that you holding the currency is you owing in USD, which is impossible.

You're obviously right. But see how you got only 1 like because people don't understand math

HellVictorinho6:
U dont often answer questions

U hardly answer anything


U, just enjoy repeating what u google like PoliteActivist


OtemAtum used 2 recite shit this way years ago


And a number of other cases such sisterfire

OtemAtum and his universal world history. Whatever happened to him.
I don't copy anything from Google. I screenshot.
What dumb question didn't I answer?

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Yet you said this:

Obvious what I meant. I could have written "believe". I didn't for a reason

HellVictorinho6:
But am certain u cant help my life


I dont care how that sounds to u

You have to first be certain I exist outside your head. How can a figment of your imagination help your life?

LordReed:
LoLz. You are truly hopeless. Bwahahahahaha!

You can bwahaha all you want. I said a million times that I'd be playing devil's advocate for both sides of the belief divide as a totally unbiased umpire - without my personal beliefs conming into play or intruding.
If you asked the question on a different thread, that's one thing. But to ask it on this same thread? That truly is a sign of being out to lunch!

HellVictorinho6:
Which this are u talking about?

What do u mean by control?

Av told u that ur existence doesnt mean theres a universe

Of course it doesn't. That's what I've been saying - we are not in position to be making certainty statements about the universe... or anything for that matter!

LordReed:
I asked a simple question, do you believe or don't believe that there is an intelligent designer(s)

My people when I say Dr. Reed is not all there, there is a reason for it.
Please study the postings below and decide for yourself if someone who's OK and has been on this thread from the beginning (like he has), will still ask this question!

HellVictorinho6:
U cant do anything in a dream or matrix

You have NO WAY of knowing what this really is or if your mind is under control or if the universe was created last Thursday!! (See below)

LordReed:
Dumdum I didn't ask if you know,I asked if you believe. Keep showing just how much of a duplicitous phony you are.

You are now heading towards another QED. Soon you'll be trying to save face and denying what you said earlier.
Believe WHAT exactly?

LordReed:
Whatever is wrong is wrong with your brain since you are incapable of answering a simple question.

Have you lost your mind??
I HAVE ANSWERED YOU QUESTION!!!
You are really beginning to annoy me!
Here's the answer AGAIN!
Apects of the universe indicate some sort of design (but we'll never know for sure because we don't know the true nature of things or what this is all about. Maybe knowing that renders the question irrelevant!)

HellVictorinho6:
What a fraud!


Stop asking questions or answering

Just be talking 2 urself THEN!

Anything that can happen in "real life" can also happen in a dream or matrix including "asking questions or answering". Doesn't at all prove this is real.
You the fraud - can't admit you have no way of knowing exactly what this is

HellVictorinho6:
Then stop making or spending murny

Thatz where the dishonesty is

You sound ignorant. Can't you be making and spending money in a dream or a matrix.
Simple: you have NO WAY to prove anything exists outside your head (of course I'm assuming there is a head and that that's where thoughts occure!)

musicwriter:
Spirituality is the thing he's doing now- being and doing good because it's the right thing to do, not because a religion said you should do or be good to others.

Sooo being and doing good is spirituality??