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LordReed:
It's you who doesn't know what it means. While you look it up also look up hard solipsism.

See below.
QED once again. This is becoming too easy

LordReed:
Dumdum people like you is a different class from religious people.

Still Descartes WAS NOT A SOLIPSIST.

You don't know the meaning of solipsist. It does not mean what you think it does. Look it up

budaatum:
Your senses can totally fool you, you mean, while many are smart enough to question what they perceive with their senses so as not to so easily be fooled.

It's like you trying to fool yourself here that you don't exist because you are not sure that you exist, while we are smart enough to know that an entity exists that registered on this site and calls itself PoliteActivist and has been posting in this thread.

I'm really surprised you can't grasp this simple concept: something needn't actually happen for you to perceive it happened! In The Matrix thoughts were fed to a person hooked to a machine and he was living a full life - but in reality he was hooked to a machine, non of it was actually happening

Dijita:
With all due respect . if you are paying to post this song about you. I am thinking you probably pay the singer for the song. I don't consider this to be good PR. I may be wrong

Duh, why would an Hausa singer just wake up and decide to sing to you. Who be you?

Wasn't this guy running for governor somewhere?

LordReed:
Dumdum I didn't call you religious. Also dumdum Decartes was not a solipsist.

See the circled below.
Yet another QED

As for Descartes, he started out by doubting EVERYTHING he could possibly doubt (what do you call that?), and realized one thing he couldn't doubt was that he was thinking.
He also convinced himself that God exists (see below)

budaatum:
What you mean is you can easily be deceived!

Our senses are that way - they can totally fool us

budaatum:
So, you assume certainty that I might exist, but you doubt that you yourself exist, or that you might only exist in your head that might not exist?

I wonder if it's predetermined that you will tie yourself in knots.

of course I assume even more certainty that I exist because there are CERTAINLY thoughts and I assume I'm the one thinking them - in reality I don't know where they come from

LordReed:
They is you.

BTW if I took the time I am sure I can find several examples of religious people on NL casting aspersions on reality just to avoid uncomfortable facts.

How can a religious person believe that our senses were based on lies - that they were intentionally created to deceive us?? Answer that

LordReed:
Except the reverse is not the case (Not that it is even true that you can do everything from real life in a dream). Not everything you can do in a dream can be done in real life which even Elon Musk fanbois like you can appreciate delineates reality from dreams.

See Last Thursdayism above. EVERYTHING can be faked except the thoughts themselves

budaatum:
Speak for yourself please.

You are not sure of the nature of your thoughts, or even if you exist to think thoughts, it seems.

As I've told you, it is very likely things are as we experience them. For us too have a conversation I have to assume certainty that you exist - ignoring the small possibility that you exist only in my head! Just as Einstein believed everything is predetermined but had to pretend it is not in other to functsociety society.

budaatum:
My being sure is not a concern of actual reality provided it actually happened.

An example is the certain fact that the sun rose yesterday and will rise tomorrow even one die before dawn and can never know.


No, I do not agree that all that exists are thoughts.

And I'm not currently interested in discussing the nature of thoughts with you because you don't seem to be aware that the thoughts you may be thinking can only exist because you exist to think them, and that is likely because you don't know you are thinking your own thoughts.

Why do you keep intentionally omitting the word SURE? SURE!!!!!!

I refer you to LAST THURSDAYISM again (below).
EVERYTHING can be made to appear to be there or appear to have happened when it never did, except the thoughts themselves.
Who is thinking when a possessed person is thinking. Who is thinking when people who died and came back said they were thinking while dead.
Bottom line: WE ARE NOT SURE THE NATURE OF THOUGHTS!!

budaatum:
Did you notice how many questions I asked you and that you ignored?

That's what a person who has no regard for the existence of others do. They rudely ignore others' existence.

I was just in a rush. I'd go see what the questions are and answer them

HellVictorinho6:
Which reality again nah?

The reality you think you are experiencing

HellVictorinho6:
The way u see them is also irrelevant to them

How do you know?

budaatum:
Did I say it was?

You are the entity that registered on Nairaland on June 15, 2019, thereby coming into existence as PoliteActivist.

And how are you sure that actually happened? I think it's time I trot out my Last Thursdayism again (see below)
Do you agree that all we are SURE exist are thoughts and that we don't know the true nature of thoughts?

budaatum:
You, told me that, lol. Guess that might be true if your postulate of you knowing nothing were not true in the first place, but since you claim you know nothing, can you see how hard it might he to be told anything by you?

For your information, reality is reality, whether it is experienced or not. A real tree falls in the real forest whether anyone experiences it or not. And a person's experience of a particular reality does not necessarily "highly probable reality is approximately as we experience it".

And what a nonsense sentence too!

Everyone has heard of the experience of those who grabbed parts of an elephant. And there's lots of record of our experience being so wrong it approximates to lies. There's even you here experiencing buda yet claiming you don't exist to experience!

People experience ghosts and demons. Do their "highly probable reality is approximately as we experience it" too?


He thinks therefore he is, in it's basic form.

So tell me. Is all you write the product of your thought or not and therefore evidence of your non-existence?

And I do ask despite my, "you exist, therefore you think", since there'd be no you to respond if you don't exist.


This, here, is my fundamental disagreement with you who would then say "highly probable reality is approximately as we experience it". It's like you just like jumbling words together without considering what you might mean.

If you are not sure, how can your experience highly anyhow be reality if you have not bothered to train your senses to better know whether you exist or not?

Do you agree that ALL we are SURE exist are thoughts and that we don't know the true nature of thoughts?

budaatum:
His senses must so not exist that he that doesn't exist can not feel his pain.

He reminds me.
https://www.nairaland.com/5133617/beans-not-beans#77534517

😂😅Lewis Carroll is craaazy!

Words do not mean certain things because of the way in which they are used; words are used because they mean certain things. Any new or ‘invented’ term must be defined by pre-existing and meaningful terms.

budaatum:
His senses must so not exist that he that doesn't exist can not feel his pain.

He reminds me.
https://www.nairaland.com/5133617/beans-not-beans#77534517

Is pain you?? Define you

LordReed:
Yes, my dear buda, even if they think they don't exist we know they do. Let's bitchslap their brain a bit more.

Who is "they"?? Budaatum please help me explain to him that the LAST THING a religious person would agree to is that it is possible reality does not exist EXACTLY as he experiences it!

budaatum:
You don't understand your so called experts.

The first line in your post says "it is a reasonable assumption that we do exist".

Or should we assume that you that doesn't exist would not feel pain nor be annoyed if I kick your ass that doesn't exist and slap your face that doesn't exist or just call you that doesn't exist dumb?

BUT I TOLD YOU THAT!!! Told you it is highly probable reality is approximately as we experience it. BUT we have no way of being sure!
What do you think is the context of Cogito ergo sum??

LordReed:
The fact is stupid people like you always want to feel you have secret knowledge so you deny what is clearly evident in favor of stupid tales you tell yourself. If you want to believe you live in a lalaland that's your prerogative, you don't get to tell the rest of us that the twinges, aches and pains we feel are not real.

It's just so funny how people like you and other religious people switch to solipsism once the facts slap you in the face. Must be some kind of defense mechanism.

See you and your stupid assumptions. What makes me religious? Saying something Descartes said centuries ago?? What do you think is the context of Cogito ergo sum?

HellVictorinho6:
They dont see you as someone that understands whatever they mean too

Irrelevant what they see me as. Simply acknowledge the fact you don't know what this reality really is, neither do you know if it actually exists physically!

LordReed:
Always runs to authority once stumped. LoLz. Pitiful.

Since you don't want to listen to your own common sense, what choice do I have? Something so obvious but you refuse to grasp it. It is not whether you like it or want to bleep with it - it is just a FACT of our reality!

LordReed:
Look at this Elon Musk fanboi talking about being smart. Bwahahahahahaha!

I don't Bleep with hard solipsism, if that's your jam good for you. What I know is here and now I have tools to investigate the universe around me with a high degree of confidence.

You don't have to bleep with anything. It is just something you have at the back of your mind while you "investigate the universe around me" - you don't know what this reality really is (example, you don't know what is water, or why) and you don't know if any of it actually physically exists!

budaatum:
The food you ate was in your thought, and no on a plate and put into your mouth?

Trust me when I say am delighted i that HellVictorinho6 is bothering to engage with you.

LordReed:
Except the reverse is not the case (Not that it is even true that you can do everything from real life in a dream). Not everything you can do in a dream can be done in real life which even Elon Musk fanbois like you can appreciate delineates reality from dreams.

I give up. I don't know why something so simple is hard for u folks to grasp. I'll let the experts below explain it to you

delzbaba:
Barbaric culture, what is the purpose of all that shenanigans?

Poverty

budaatum:
The food you ate today did not exist outside you before you put it inside your mouth because neither you nor your mouth actually exist.

My Lord, I blame you for repeatedly entertaining this non-existing individual.

The whole process occurred IN THOUGHTS (I don't want to say "in your brain" because I know you'd then ask dumb questions). ANYTHING you can do in "real life" you can also do in a dream or a matrix!
You ought really know this as a matter of course!

budaatum:
No one with a brain will study only what you've posted.

What they'd do is read the entire thread and conclude it's pointless trying to converse with you who is not certain you yourself exist and claims to know nothing since it's like discussing with a flatearther.

I got better things to do than debate people who won't acknowledge reality.
REALITY is that you have NO WAY of being SURE anything exists outside you. And "you" consists entirely of thoughts and memories. And since we are NOT SURE the true nature of thoughts and memories, their existence doesn't necessarily mean you exist!
This ought be obvious even to people who are not too smart, like our buddies LordReed and Francistown😆

735i:
Lol. I don't care about the likes tbh. I once disqualified a chap interviewing for Senior Associate role in investment banking because not only did he not understand it, he actually insisted he was right till the very end of the interview.
This was despite my trying repeatedly to break it down for him.
It's mind boggling how people are not open to learning and unlearning.

Oh, that's your field? That's where the money is!

735i:
It is impossible for a currency to depreciate by over 100%. This is shabby reporting.
It's true that the currencies listed have performed very badly, but their computations are wrong.

For a currency to be negative 100, it means that you holding the currency is you owing in USD, which is impossible.

You're obviously right. But see how you got only 1 like because people don't understand math

HellVictorinho6:
U dont often answer questions

U hardly answer anything


U, just enjoy repeating what u google like PoliteActivist


OtemAtum used 2 recite shit this way years ago


And a number of other cases such sisterfire

OtemAtum and his universal world history. Whatever happened to him.
I don't copy anything from Google. I screenshot.
What dumb question didn't I answer?