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LordReed:
LoLz. Everyone knows that but you started shitting bricks when I said it. When I call you a phony it's not only an insult, it's an accurate description of you.

LoLz! What a good way to show you have no real understanding of the thing you are so strenuously arguing about. To ask where did things like lions liking raw meat and never eating grass, and goats liking grass, come from shows you have no real idea what evolution and natural selection are. You are merely repeating the jargons you glean. Lions have ALWAYS eaten raw meat and goats have ALWAYS eaten grass because they had that characteristic by the time their species evolved. Folks like you always think evolution is like a magic show where things suddenly appear instead of understanding how it all fits together.

Of course you'd liken it to religion and faith because that is what you really are, empty of understanding but full of belief.

My good but obtuse friend you made a foolish statement - "Natural selection does not select anything". Natural selection is a SELECTION of who lives and who dies based on entertainment.

So lions have always eaten meat and cannot change? Wjy?? And how come humans can??

Exactly why they are religions - we don't know enough to have an opinion about God based on understanding

LordReed:
LoLz. Your variations of an article first published on April Fools day and are casually tossing aside the fact that the author called it a conspiracy theory, all as a joke but sure you believe the article is serious. LMAO! Can you hear yourself?

You just talk nonsense without saying anything. How have you refuted my point now that simulations are not designed for the limits of processors but for the limits of outputs?

See the guy who wrote the article below. Go and watch his videos so you'll stop talking nonsense

HellVictorinho6:
Yeah

Sooo, how does your poverty connect to intelligent design??

LordReed:
LoLz. You keep trying to deflect. No way Jose! You are the one who needs to demonstrate what properties of the universe would allow for unlimited speed.

Can someone please help me explain to my good but obtuse friend that it is highly UNNATURAL in our world for something to maintain the same speed relative to you no matter whether you are at rest or moving very fast!

HellVictorinho6:
i was born poor or born into poverty

You were born poor and that's how you know intelligent design is nonsense?

budaatum:
Kind of does, though I'm certain you know that it is the animal itself that chooses to survive, and not anything else stopping it from dying of hunger, just as you choose to survive or not, and not that something somewhere chooses for you.

Anyway, I'm letting you be. For starts, it's hard to converse with a person for whom words mean what he says they mean especially if he does not state his meaning, and with someone who thinks he knows nothing and believes others are as know nothing as he is, and even moreso with someone who doubts his own existence and that of those he converses with.

If you don't believe the humans you converse with actually exist, it wouldn't be long before you are impolite to them.

I can't fathom how this statement of yours makes sense to you:
"though I'm certain you know that it is the animal itself that chooses to survive, and not anything else stopping it from dying of hunger"
Animals who can't compete for food, die of hunger. I don't see how the animal chose anything.

As far as being impolite because one doesn't believe other humans actually exist, well read what Einstein said below (these quotes are from what I posted on the OP of this thread)

1Sharon:
Sure. And here is a verse to soothe you.

Jesus is with you all through the end.

🤣Quite funny
But actually it's more like this below

FxMasterz:
No doubt!

But atheists would deny this claim outright.

They're even now yearning for brotherhood. They want association.

Oh there are atheist churches. Quite a few. Just google

Aemmyjah:
Young man
Lemme warn you
Stop causing chaos in the atheists caml


You're free to shake their table
You wan comot am?

I get that from time to time ("Young man". It tells me I'm succeeding in my effort to be non-gendered!
Oh, I'm just stating the facts, not siding with any side. And they know it

FxMasterz:
You're right.

That's why as a person, I try to be as objective as possible during religious debates. I do accept my shortcomings if I find out I was in error. There are times I have debated Muslims based on wrong interpretation of some of their quaranic verses. I have often apologized whenever they provide clarity. But, just as you said earlier, they (Muslims) would never accept or apologize for errors when they're given clarifications; or when it is clearly shown to them that they've been wrong all along. I admit that some Christians are like that too. Atheists are known to behave this way too. This confirms that Atheism and Evolution are religions of some sort.

Oh, of course, Atheism and Evolutionism are outright religions and not even "of some sort".

HellVictorinho6:
u are impressed so u call it a design

i call it nonsense

Can you at least give us a short reason why?

budaatum:
I'm just bringing my question to your attention again since you haven't answered it and might be thinking it was your imagination that asked you it.

Survival selects.
Does that answer your question?

budaatum:
As "microscopically non-existent on a cosmic scale" that you claim to be, you are still an individual person to me, and I must accord you with due regard and respect because that is how I have trained myself to be.

Do know that you would not be considering the existence of a God or anything at all if you did not exist, because you think and consider only because you exist.

If however you are willing to discover whether you exist or not, fill a bucket with water and stick your head that does not exist that is on your neck that does not exist inside the bucket of water that does exist. And after 10 minutes come tell me who or what exists that has responded to this post.

I've told you before, dead people and people you meet in your dreams also think and consider. We simply don't know the nature of thinking, just as we don't know the nature of anything.
One thing that is absolutely not in doubt though, is that you have NO WAY of being sure all this is not happening entirely in your head. See all these below, they are all quite credible scenarios. But the real question is, how do you leap from not being sure of anything AT ALL to being sure God does not exist!

1Sharon:
Stop tagging other people here and fight your own battles. I'm sick of your mentions.

We girls ought stick together. Don't be a spoil sport. Here are some quotes to soothe you:

budaatum:
So. You reduce me and everything I say to be a figment of your imagination, if you exist at all?

Now, that must be one powerful imagination creating ability you got there, because the buda you are creating is right here in your front.

I don't think you don't exist or are a figment of my imagination, Polite. I have far more regard and respect for you than to think I am imagining you exist after you have exhibited before my senses by opening this thread.

Even if you are a bot, your responses are not my imagination, as you are here responding, though I think a bot might reason better than you're doing I dare say.

Point is, I'm so microscopically non-existent on a cosmic scale, and don't know what 95% is, and can perceive only 4 dimensions and see only 0.003% of light, and to top it all off I'm not even sure I exist - YET I AM 100% SURE GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

budaatum:
If you can't trust that I am the one putting the words I put together, who do you think you are talking to?

I am very certain that the words you are currently reading were written and out together by me and only me, regardless of what you wish to imagine, PoliteActivist.

See, PoliteActivist. I've even decided to write your name at the end there, twice.



You are going to have to forgive me, but I do not live in an if universe that can be shrunk to any size. If I did, first thing I'd do is shrink it so I'd be taking one single step to be on a sunny beach, but as it is I can not even shrink the contents of my office desk so it's tidier.

I bother learning about the real world I live in instead of the imaginary world of if.

That's exactly the point - I could very well be talking to a figment of my imagination - assuming I exist at all and all these are not just happenings.

It's not just that your world cannot be seen even with a strong micriscope, it is also that you can only perceive 4 dimensions out of a lot more, don't know what 95% of stuff is, can only see 0.003% of light, don't know where your thoughts or dreams come from, not sure if you are dreaming, hallucinating, or living in an unreal simulation, etc.!

By the way, about those gods you said people created, how are sure it is not people (the collective mind) that create everything else, and if enough of them agree it exists, it exists!

budaatum:
Logic, in the generally understood context, is the study of correct reasoning. But if you want words to mean what you say they mean, perhaps you'd be minded to include your meanings in your context to avoid being misunderstood.



First, your "anythimg", by which I will assume you mean anything.

Do note that I have put words together letter by letter and in an order for you to read and understand. That putting of words together requires the knowledge of a something which I would not be able to do if I did not know anything. Therefore, your consideration is emphatically denied. Also note that my denial applies to you to, because it is obvious you must know something.

Now, how do I know there are no gods?

Through the study of gods from all over the world basically. I read the books of and about many of the gods dead and alive, and came to the knowledge and understanding that all gods are created by human beings and peddled to people through indoctrination.

It's fascinating learning really. And it helps one understand better the world one lives in and the people who live in it and how capable we are at creating.

Exactly what I said - you don't know anything. How are you sure you are the one putting the words together? You can easily be given the illusion you are the one putting words together. AI also puts words together, so do apps. Words can be put together through you or even despite you. Prophet Mohammed and many others have put words together they never put together. So we are back to that you don’t know anything because you don’t know the true nature of your reality or existence!

About gods, if the universe were shrunk to the size of the earth, the earth would be the size of an atom. We don't know what 95% of matter is. There could be up to a thousand dimensions - we can only perceive 4. Humans can see only 0.003% of light spectrum (google it).
Now imagin some life form living in an atom who doesn't know what 95% of stuff is, only sees one dimension not 4 like us, is practically blind, etc., saying there is no you!

budaatum:
You assume too much. Non-religionists do not base everything on logic or on any one thing!

Basing everything on one thing is like basing everything on one god, which is precisely the point the non-religionist is trying to make you understand they do not do. H6GmEbQHXRM

I am a non-religionist, which I will define as there are no gods. I do not base everything on logic because I also base things on my knowledge and understanding of the experiences I have had which is extensive but not all that can be known, and on my ability to think and reason, which is why my learning continues to improve my abilities.

Logic, in the context I used it, means everything outside belief due to subjective pessonal experience of the supernatural, instinct, or faith. All you have described come under that. When in fact Atheists and evolutionist also base their belief on faith.

How do you know there is no God - before you answer consider that you don't know anythimg

FxMasterz:
I see.

That's the more the reason why they MUST lie against evidences or give flimsy excuses whenever they're presented with one. They would never accept they're wrong, no matter the evidence before them.

Exactly. Religionists are same way too, by the way, sometimes to an annoying degree, only that they don't claim to base everything on logic!

FxMasterz:
That's the perfect truth!

More than that, they are movements, and you better not betray the movement by admitting the other side has a point, or that you no longer agree with some of the stuff

budaatum:
PoliteActivist has not shown he understands natural selection, so I'd be silly to ask him to educate me on it.

Say what part you still don't understand Dr. Reed², and I'll explain

budaatum:
"It may be said" does not mean it is so or even meant to be so.

I have just one question for you. Did Darwin give you the impression that he believes in the existence of a Selector?

What's with you folks and this selector stuff? Did I tell I believe there is a selector?? I only said there are lots of things Natural Selection can't explain.

Now you get it. "It may be said" is to used so you understand the statement is not literal

LordReed:
Dumdum special relativity has already accounted for that so it is up to you to show what property of the universe dictates that there should be no limit.

My friend, such things DON'T arbitrarily have limits in our universe for no reason. Or give an example

LordReed:
Is it the same article or a different one?

So you are going to ignore that the article YOU brought calls simulation hypothesis a conspiracy theory?

Dude I have designed simulations, nobody I know designs a simulation with the limits of the processor in mind. Rather simulations are designed with the limits of the required OUTPUTS in mind. Plus you can simulate unlimited speed on practically any modern processor, games do it all the time. This is not a valid reason at all.

See this one, "I have designed simulations"!
People who have been (since their early teens) at the vanguard of AI and simulation of worlds are telling you they can simulate this our world to the last degree with the people inside it given illusion of free will, and you are talking gibberish!

As for the article, Reed u sure u OK? You pointed out the article was published April fools day, so I showed you variations of same article published at other times.
And why are fixated on the jocular conspiracy theory comment. It is just a side comment to help make the article interesting

LordReed:
Actually that's what you believe or what do you think intelligent design means?

Meaning what? I've done everything, including posting the definition below. You keep mindlessly repeating that nature doesn't go about selecting (I'm tempted to add "like a slowpoke" ). EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!!! That is, everybody except you and budaatum. Listen, the net EFFECT is SELECTION!!! If an environment favors survival of tall people, over time tallness will be SELECTED FOR!!!

By the way, you folks,
1) If humans were NOT DESIGNED to hate whats good for their health and longevity and love what's not, where did that come from?
2) Where did things like lions liking raw meat and never eating grass, and goats liking grass, come from? It's not as if these animals evolved on different planets!
3) Can't you folks see that evolution and natural selection are perfect examples of the Texas sharpshooter fallacy? (Look it up )
4) Can't you folks see that there is so much they can't explain? Things like consciousness, abiogenesis, why lower animals generally have shorter life spans than humans, why lower animals are not capable of abstract thought, complex organs like eyes, dna, etc, etc.
5) In short, can't you folks see that evolution (much like atheism) is a religion - you just believe it or you don't!

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budaatum:
No. The above is incorrect. More correct is:

The end result of natural selection is the Prevalence OF CERTAIN TRAITS.

Basically, the result you see is what has prevailed, as opposed to "selected", which implies a selector. But I don't expect us to agree on this since your stance is that there must be a selector (God, designer, etc).

One would not say a designer gave the giraffe a long neck in the example below, but that some giraffes grew longer necks in their search for food and that made their survival more likely, as opposed to being arbitrary selected by some selector to survive.

Please don't turn into another LordReed on us - master of the obvious. The language has been "selected" and "selected for" since 1859 till today - used by all professors and experts in the field, from Darwin till now. ONLY you and Reed think it implies that something or someone is going about selecting!🙄
In your world "as if" and "It may be said" don't exist! (Which is language Darwin used below)

LordReed:
Still not showing how special relativity points to how there should be no limit.

Honestly this suggests a flaw in your mental state. Is there a limit to how far back you can go into the past or into the future? Or how high or low you can count. Or how hot or cold it can get? Etc. See below

LordReed:
Wait you don't know the significance of 1st of April? LoLz.

Plus he literary says its a conspiracy theory IN THE ARTICLE. Bwahahahahaha!

Funny guy. The below are from 2024 and not April 1st!

LordReed:
BTW. Dude look at the date.

Date! Something that has been around since Einstein -that the speed of light never increase no matter how fast the light bearer is traveling.
BTW, beats me how this Einstein guy figured this out.
Light moving ought be going faster than light standing still

LordReed:
You are the one saying something, prove it now you are trying to turn it on me. It is you needs to show why speed should be unlimited. Simply saying it should is not a reason. The universe has all sorts of properties which properties of the universe should allow for speed to be unlimited.

So it makes perfect sense to your sense of reality and common sense that light leaving Nigeria on a fast plane will get to UK at same time as light shining from Nigeria?
Really, Reed, u ok?

LordReed:
That is not valid a valid reason. Tell me what in the nature of the universe allows for infinite speed by any system.

BTW I hope you realise that the so called limit is for all electromagnetic phenomenon not just light.

U have started again. Soon you'll be trying to save face. Why should speed (or anything for that matter) stop increasing?? Mention anything you know that'd stop increasing for no reason if you keep adding to it?
The speed of light traveling on a fast plane and the speed of light standing still are the same!
The write-up below should help u

LordReed:
There should be no speed limit because you say so?

Nope. Because there is NO reason for any speed limit just as numbers don't suddenly stop at, say, one trillion.