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budaatum:
This is somewhat true. But with history full of laws that humans have abandoned, we must ask ourselves how well we do discover.

Newton’s Law of Gravity was revised by Einstein. Another is Bode's Law that we don't mention anymore.


This is true. But as far as laws are concerned, as in our human understanding of things, that changes constantly as we learn and know more.

We often see this in technology. There was a time when Nigeria had the technology for only 64,000 landlines, but technological changes due to human understanding has put almost 2 phones in every Nigerian's hands.


I do like this part. Now apply it to nature and laws.

We ask 'why', and the search for answers increases our human understanding.

Now, and this applies more to you Aemmyjah.
If I stopped asking 'why', and conclude "because God", would you say I'm lazy and ignorant and haven't bothered to learn so that I may know?

Even if I did say "because God", I should still ask Who, What, Where, When, Why and How regarding this supposed God itself, just as Jesus is written to have taught, or at least as some might conclude from his teaching.

Point is, it is incumbent upon us to theorize as to WHY the laws suddenly change!
Newton's laws are still valid except when applied near what we're discussing - speed of light!

Thats NOT what I'm discussing with Reed - he is saying it is normal the speed of light be the speed limit in the universe and he doesn't see anything strange about it at all

LordReed:
Dude the laws of nature we talk about are descriptive not prescriptive. We are describing the universe not telling the universe how it must behave. Gosh how are you so stubbornly ignorant?!

My friend you sound so stubbornly obtuse. If when you get to Tokyo you find that water flows uphill, human instinct is to find out WHY, not say you can't tell nature what to do. Theorizing and trying to find out as to why an exception is there is NOT telling nature what to do. Hope you can get that through your (I assume) fairly thick skull!

HellVictorinho6:
I say theres no universe, theres nonsense. We are into more than madness or greater madness, life is crazy, death cant fix it, whether or not i make it, damn it!

It's extremely possible the tangible universe doesn't actually exist and we're all just minds

budaatum:
But it does! And only fools will disregard reality and insist on sticking with should or shouldn't.

Laws are created by humans who don't always have all the information before them, and that is why we and our laws are not rigid.

An example is, "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth". Though I don't think you'd understand it as a 'law', because it doesn't sound like one.

That was as far as humans of the day and time were capable of understanding, but today we see and understand better such that some claim there was a big bang when God supposedly said "let there be light".

Think of "child" below to mean the entire human race over time, and you might see that we evolve into adults.

budaatum:
I do love that you said "there ought be".

It suggests you are aware that you can increase energy without increasing acceleration.

You are kind of out of the loop. I don't think you've been following. The discussion is about how the arbitrary cosmic speed limit of speed of light indicates we're in a simulation and it's likely an aspect of the processor speed

LordReed:
LMFAO! O my fucking Andromeda! Who cares what you think the universe should be like? These are the properties of the universe, your incredulity means nothing. You are just a phony I swear. Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

budaatum:
But it does! And only fools will disregard reality and insist on sticking with should or shouldn't.

Laws are created by humans who don't always have all the information before them, and that is why we and our laws are not rigid.

An example is, "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth". Though I don't think you'd understand it as a 'law', because it doesn't sound like one.

That was as far as humans of the day and time were capable of understanding, but today we see and understand better such that some claim there was a big bang when God supposedly said "let there be light".

Think of "child" below to mean the entire human race over time, and you might see that we evolve into adults.

**The laws of Physics are NOT created by humans. Discovered not created!

Listen, in this our reality things don't suddenly change for no reason, or suddenly stop or start for no reason. When something starts acting abnormally we don't just gloss it over as just the way things are. We first acknowledge it is abnormal then look for possible reasons why the exception. Same applies to the relatively low speed of light. We ask ourselves WHY laws should suddenly change when you approach that speed!

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! F = ma only applies at non-relativistic speeds. Oh dear oh dear once again just repeating what you obviously don't understand. LMFAO!

Exactly. And it SHOULDN'T!! Laws shouldn't change simply because you're approaching a given speed!!!

LordReed:
Oh you want to see comments do you. LoLz.

My buddy Reed, really, gotta be something wrong.
I posted a comment from a scientist and you are posting reddit gibberish! And even in your post it says this below.
Lots of serious scientists think it is very likely we live in a simulation. Einstein has deeper insight than most scientists. He came to the same conclusion Khan came to in the article (if you read the article) - that there is someone(s) pulling the strings!

LordReed:
Dumdum post where I wrote Natural selection does not select anything.

LMAO! Dumdum do you the meaning of carnivorous and omnivorous? Look them up if you don't.

We know plenty enough to understand what evolution and natural selection are but dummies like you continue to claim what you don't understand or can defend with evidence.

Who posted the underlineds below? Your wife?
(😅When will you stop embarrassing yourself??)

Question is how and why did they become carnivores, omnivores, etc.

You understand, yet you said only reason diabetes survive is because diabetics reproduce!

LordReed:
LoLz. Still repeating the obvious fact that he published it on April Fool's day to catch idiot's like you mugu. Bwahahahahaha!

My good friend Reed you really ought seriously look at the possibility there's something not quite right.
You are the ONLY one who's talking about April 1st. Do you think this Khan guy decides when articles he submits are published? See someone below commenting on the piece

LordReed:
This is not the question I am asking you. You made a claim I am ask you to provide evidence for your claim. Your incredulity at light's property is not evidence of your claim.

Now again can you tell me what property of the universe would allow there to be unlimited speed.

My good but obtuse friend, do you see anywhere below where it says you can increase energy without increasing acceleration??
As long there is increase in energy there ought be increase in speed forever. Do you get it now?

budaatum:
Guess what you can't fathom is what the statement means to you. So I'll let you work on figuring it out some.

The statement is what is called pure nonsense. Animals who can't get food, die! There is no deep philosophy about it

LordReed:
LoLz. Everyone knows that but you started shitting bricks when I said it. When I call you a phony it's not only an insult, it's an accurate description of you.

LoLz! What a good way to show you have no real understanding of the thing you are so strenuously arguing about. To ask where did things like lions liking raw meat and never eating grass, and goats liking grass, come from shows you have no real idea what evolution and natural selection are. You are merely repeating the jargons you glean. Lions have ALWAYS eaten raw meat and goats have ALWAYS eaten grass because they had that characteristic by the time their species evolved. Folks like you always think evolution is like a magic show where things suddenly appear instead of understanding how it all fits together.

Of course you'd liken it to religion and faith because that is what you really are, empty of understanding but full of belief.

My good but obtuse friend you made a foolish statement - "Natural selection does not select anything". Natural selection is a SELECTION of who lives and who dies based on entertainment.

So lions have always eaten meat and cannot change? Wjy?? And how come humans can??

Exactly why they are religions - we don't know enough to have an opinion about God based on understanding

LordReed:
LoLz. Your variations of an article first published on April Fools day and are casually tossing aside the fact that the author called it a conspiracy theory, all as a joke but sure you believe the article is serious. LMAO! Can you hear yourself?

You just talk nonsense without saying anything. How have you refuted my point now that simulations are not designed for the limits of processors but for the limits of outputs?

See the guy who wrote the article below. Go and watch his videos so you'll stop talking nonsense

HellVictorinho6:
Yeah

Sooo, how does your poverty connect to intelligent design??

LordReed:
LoLz. You keep trying to deflect. No way Jose! You are the one who needs to demonstrate what properties of the universe would allow for unlimited speed.

Can someone please help me explain to my good but obtuse friend that it is highly UNNATURAL in our world for something to maintain the same speed relative to you no matter whether you are at rest or moving very fast!

HellVictorinho6:
i was born poor or born into poverty

You were born poor and that's how you know intelligent design is nonsense?

budaatum:
Kind of does, though I'm certain you know that it is the animal itself that chooses to survive, and not anything else stopping it from dying of hunger, just as you choose to survive or not, and not that something somewhere chooses for you.

Anyway, I'm letting you be. For starts, it's hard to converse with a person for whom words mean what he says they mean especially if he does not state his meaning, and with someone who thinks he knows nothing and believes others are as know nothing as he is, and even moreso with someone who doubts his own existence and that of those he converses with.

If you don't believe the humans you converse with actually exist, it wouldn't be long before you are impolite to them.

I can't fathom how this statement of yours makes sense to you:
"though I'm certain you know that it is the animal itself that chooses to survive, and not anything else stopping it from dying of hunger"
Animals who can't compete for food, die of hunger. I don't see how the animal chose anything.

As far as being impolite because one doesn't believe other humans actually exist, well read what Einstein said below (these quotes are from what I posted on the OP of this thread)

1Sharon:
Sure. And here is a verse to soothe you.

Jesus is with you all through the end.

🤣Quite funny
But actually it's more like this below

FxMasterz:
No doubt!

But atheists would deny this claim outright.

They're even now yearning for brotherhood. They want association.

Oh there are atheist churches. Quite a few. Just google

Aemmyjah:
Young man
Lemme warn you
Stop causing chaos in the atheists caml


You're free to shake their table
You wan comot am?

I get that from time to time ("Young man". It tells me I'm succeeding in my effort to be non-gendered!
Oh, I'm just stating the facts, not siding with any side. And they know it

FxMasterz:
You're right.

That's why as a person, I try to be as objective as possible during religious debates. I do accept my shortcomings if I find out I was in error. There are times I have debated Muslims based on wrong interpretation of some of their quaranic verses. I have often apologized whenever they provide clarity. But, just as you said earlier, they (Muslims) would never accept or apologize for errors when they're given clarifications; or when it is clearly shown to them that they've been wrong all along. I admit that some Christians are like that too. Atheists are known to behave this way too. This confirms that Atheism and Evolution are religions of some sort.

Oh, of course, Atheism and Evolutionism are outright religions and not even "of some sort".

HellVictorinho6:
u are impressed so u call it a design

i call it nonsense

Can you at least give us a short reason why?

budaatum:
I'm just bringing my question to your attention again since you haven't answered it and might be thinking it was your imagination that asked you it.

Survival selects.
Does that answer your question?

budaatum:
As "microscopically non-existent on a cosmic scale" that you claim to be, you are still an individual person to me, and I must accord you with due regard and respect because that is how I have trained myself to be.

Do know that you would not be considering the existence of a God or anything at all if you did not exist, because you think and consider only because you exist.

If however you are willing to discover whether you exist or not, fill a bucket with water and stick your head that does not exist that is on your neck that does not exist inside the bucket of water that does exist. And after 10 minutes come tell me who or what exists that has responded to this post.

I've told you before, dead people and people you meet in your dreams also think and consider. We simply don't know the nature of thinking, just as we don't know the nature of anything.
One thing that is absolutely not in doubt though, is that you have NO WAY of being sure all this is not happening entirely in your head. See all these below, they are all quite credible scenarios. But the real question is, how do you leap from not being sure of anything AT ALL to being sure God does not exist!

1Sharon:
Stop tagging other people here and fight your own battles. I'm sick of your mentions.

We girls ought stick together. Don't be a spoil sport. Here are some quotes to soothe you:

budaatum:
So. You reduce me and everything I say to be a figment of your imagination, if you exist at all?

Now, that must be one powerful imagination creating ability you got there, because the buda you are creating is right here in your front.

I don't think you don't exist or are a figment of my imagination, Polite. I have far more regard and respect for you than to think I am imagining you exist after you have exhibited before my senses by opening this thread.

Even if you are a bot, your responses are not my imagination, as you are here responding, though I think a bot might reason better than you're doing I dare say.

Point is, I'm so microscopically non-existent on a cosmic scale, and don't know what 95% is, and can perceive only 4 dimensions and see only 0.003% of light, and to top it all off I'm not even sure I exist - YET I AM 100% SURE GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

budaatum:
If you can't trust that I am the one putting the words I put together, who do you think you are talking to?

I am very certain that the words you are currently reading were written and out together by me and only me, regardless of what you wish to imagine, PoliteActivist.

See, PoliteActivist. I've even decided to write your name at the end there, twice.



You are going to have to forgive me, but I do not live in an if universe that can be shrunk to any size. If I did, first thing I'd do is shrink it so I'd be taking one single step to be on a sunny beach, but as it is I can not even shrink the contents of my office desk so it's tidier.

I bother learning about the real world I live in instead of the imaginary world of if.

That's exactly the point - I could very well be talking to a figment of my imagination - assuming I exist at all and all these are not just happenings.

It's not just that your world cannot be seen even with a strong micriscope, it is also that you can only perceive 4 dimensions out of a lot more, don't know what 95% of stuff is, can only see 0.003% of light, don't know where your thoughts or dreams come from, not sure if you are dreaming, hallucinating, or living in an unreal simulation, etc.!

By the way, about those gods you said people created, how are sure it is not people (the collective mind) that create everything else, and if enough of them agree it exists, it exists!

budaatum:
Logic, in the generally understood context, is the study of correct reasoning. But if you want words to mean what you say they mean, perhaps you'd be minded to include your meanings in your context to avoid being misunderstood.



First, your "anythimg", by which I will assume you mean anything.

Do note that I have put words together letter by letter and in an order for you to read and understand. That putting of words together requires the knowledge of a something which I would not be able to do if I did not know anything. Therefore, your consideration is emphatically denied. Also note that my denial applies to you to, because it is obvious you must know something.

Now, how do I know there are no gods?

Through the study of gods from all over the world basically. I read the books of and about many of the gods dead and alive, and came to the knowledge and understanding that all gods are created by human beings and peddled to people through indoctrination.

It's fascinating learning really. And it helps one understand better the world one lives in and the people who live in it and how capable we are at creating.

Exactly what I said - you don't know anything. How are you sure you are the one putting the words together? You can easily be given the illusion you are the one putting words together. AI also puts words together, so do apps. Words can be put together through you or even despite you. Prophet Mohammed and many others have put words together they never put together. So we are back to that you don’t know anything because you don’t know the true nature of your reality or existence!

About gods, if the universe were shrunk to the size of the earth, the earth would be the size of an atom. We don't know what 95% of matter is. There could be up to a thousand dimensions - we can only perceive 4. Humans can see only 0.003% of light spectrum (google it).
Now imagin some life form living in an atom who doesn't know what 95% of stuff is, only sees one dimension not 4 like us, is practically blind, etc., saying there is no you!

budaatum:
You assume too much. Non-religionists do not base everything on logic or on any one thing!

Basing everything on one thing is like basing everything on one god, which is precisely the point the non-religionist is trying to make you understand they do not do. H6GmEbQHXRM

I am a non-religionist, which I will define as there are no gods. I do not base everything on logic because I also base things on my knowledge and understanding of the experiences I have had which is extensive but not all that can be known, and on my ability to think and reason, which is why my learning continues to improve my abilities.

Logic, in the context I used it, means everything outside belief due to subjective pessonal experience of the supernatural, instinct, or faith. All you have described come under that. When in fact Atheists and evolutionist also base their belief on faith.

How do you know there is no God - before you answer consider that you don't know anythimg

FxMasterz:
I see.

That's the more the reason why they MUST lie against evidences or give flimsy excuses whenever they're presented with one. They would never accept they're wrong, no matter the evidence before them.

Exactly. Religionists are same way too, by the way, sometimes to an annoying degree, only that they don't claim to base everything on logic!

FxMasterz:
That's the perfect truth!

More than that, they are movements, and you better not betray the movement by admitting the other side has a point, or that you no longer agree with some of the stuff

budaatum:
PoliteActivist has not shown he understands natural selection, so I'd be silly to ask him to educate me on it.

Say what part you still don't understand Dr. Reed², and I'll explain