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musicwriter:
Two things he got wrong:-

1. He weren't switching churches because of miracles but that's the time he started being curious whether what he believed was actually true. So, he started looking for the truth to the best of his knowledge. At the end he discovered what we all who left Christianity discovered. Jesus is a FRAUD. It's an illusion!!

2. The second thing he got wrong is Spirituality. Someone who knows him should tell him that spirituality is not the same as religion.

Spirituality is the thing he has embraced now (being void of any religion) whether foreign or local.

Spirituality is not on the side of a God or Devil but on the side of good for humanity. It's when you find spirituality that you eventually find God. If God is a spirit, then you must know him through spiritually. You don't need any type of religion to know him.

Sooo, how do you find "spirituality"?

johnog4sure:
The vulnerable make the highest percentage in any congregation, they are majorly those who are made to believe they owe God worship, they include regular goers, 'sinners', church workers, etc.

Gotcha

budaatum:
Actually, you are very dishonest and words confuse you.

Listen to yourself claim you don't exist while claiming "I am" and refusing to answer simple questions that you know expose your wonky reasoning.

Is it that you can't see words like "sure"?

The only thing we can be SURE exist are thoughts!
But we are not SURE the true nature of thoughts!

What part of that is a lie and what question do I refuse
to answer??!!

LordReed:
I asked a simple question, do you believe or don't believe that there is an intelligent designer(s) then you gave a long talk that doesn't answer the question. The answer is supposed to be yes I do or no I don't with a clarify after if you wish. You examine your own answer and show me how it indicates a belief or lack thereof in an intelligent designer(s). What a tool.

Ok, I've concluded- there's something wrong upstairs.
Someone told you CLEARLY that aspects of the universe indicate some sort of design (but we'll never know for sure because we don't know the true nature of things for sure)

blowjohn:
Hmm. Ur right

👉

HellVictorinho6:
U keep spending murny


U are 2 dishonest


if u are not sure of anything,then stop speaking as if u are sure of murny,people or universe.


stop comparing them!


what a dishonest thing!

You are the one being dishonest, though unintentionally.
I am being TOTALLY honest:
Thoughts are really the only thing we are somewhat sure exists, STILL we are not sure the true nature of thoughts, so we can't say thoughts prove that we as individuals exist

budaatum:
This must be the equivalent of self identifying where you get to identify others however you want same as you imagine things that don't exist and ignore those that do.

No, that's all "you" are - memory. Thoughts are really the only thing we are somewhat sure exists

HellVictorinho6:
U keep spending murny


U are 2 dishonest


if u are not sure of anything,then stop speaking as if u are sure of murny,people or universe.


stop comparing them!


what a dishonest thing!

See what Einstein said below

blowjohn:
Ok.
What if he didn't use that kind of money?

He'd have a poorer but more Christian church

LordReed:
LoLz. I didn't ask if you know or not I asked if you believe or not. I know you're not that retarded to not know the difference. But sure as day you'll try to weasel your way by saying nothing yet saying plenty.

You're beginning to make me conclude there's really something wrong with you. You sure u ok at all?
I just explicitly stated what aeliev!

HellVictorinho6:
But u sure of the head


And the murny u spend


And a lot more

Thatz y u keep interacting


Interaction means sure of some but not sure of others

Not sure of anything because not sure of the true nature of thinking

johnog4sure:
Exactly! However I categorize those in christian religion into 4 groups: 1. The vulnerable 2. The hypocrites 3. The gullible and 4. The genuine

Who are the vulnerable?

blowjohn:
Retrospective.

He didn't say he collected the money.

He said he ran a small church and that’s how they got real monet

johnog4sure:
No what I meant is the biggest financial are usually people who feels they owe God (vulnerability) because of their sinful life. They mostly do not make any effort to change, they feel their commitment to giving to church is sufficient.

Yeah, that's what I meant - and according to you that's where the church gets the real money NOT from ordinary members

LordReed:
Didn’t I say you believed in god, I said intelligent designer. Say it now that you do not believe an intelligent designer or designers exist and clear the air.

Dr. Reed I know you are NOT retarded. Not totally anyway . How many times do I have to say that aspects of the universe point to intelligent design??
But ultimately we will never know for sure - because we don't really know what's going on. Happenstance can look like intelligent design. Except that the universe correlates too well with something purely abstract like mathematics, thats suspicious. Also too many creative people and geniuses have confessed they receive help from something outside themselves.
Below are the greatest human inventor that has ever lived and the greatest abstract one.

johnog4sure:
I once manage a small church, the truth is that majority of those who goes to church contribute little to nothing, the real financials usually dont come to church(big men, politician, oloshos, thieves, 419 these men think giving part of their illicit wealth is a way to atone for their sins) its a circle. That is why it seems no matter how u talk, dey dont hear.

So you know they were thieves, 419, oloshos, etc and you still collected their money

HellVictorinho6:
state the sumtin then


u av defined u 4 yasef


is u tha sumtin?


can we meet face 2 face?

Point is, you have no way of being sure of anything. Even if we meet face to face doesn't prove I exist outselde your head

budaatum:
Would you kindly stop insulting buda by assuming buda is the sort of person you 'tell' please.

Define Buda. Buda is a bunch of disjointed memories you've amassed since babyhood. But you talk as if he is real

LordReed:
What did you argue with creationists about?

See below.

Shall we add another QED? I think we shall..

QED (as usual )

HellVictorinho6:
no it cant

itz not something

Elaborate

budaatum:
Even if you are a bot, that bot certainly must exist. Or are you asking me to consider your responses come out of thin air with no one or nothing behind it?

Regardless, since you are not certain you or I exist, I don't see why you who doesn't exist would be soliciting the opinion of I whom you assume does not exist and then be arguing that some designer of the universe that you have even less evidence exists, exists.

This whole thing could be entirely in your head ONLY.
We don't know the true nature of thinking and consciousness. They may not necessarily need you to exist!

I already told you it is very likely things are as we experience them. I am not even going as far as Einstein who was SURE all was predetermined and there was someone in the distance pulling the strings, yet he went about his business as if this were NOT the case

HellVictorinho6:
i cant define 4 u


biology cant either

neither must math,physics or chemistry

u av 2 define 4 urself

"U" is ONLY memory, what you remember. If you remember nothing there is no self, there is no you

HellVictorinho6:
u dont use this as a pronoun when u arent referring to any specific case
neither do u use it

Meaning what?
Point is, this can be any number of a million things and u don't have the slightest idea which it is. Just as the yeast fornicating and defecating in a vat will never know he was fermenting beer!

Geovanni412:
What is mass consciousness?

Most people have no independent thought of their own due to social media

Could you explain how mass consciousness is connected to the NPC situation in current times

What is NPC? What they mean is that the only thing that truly exists is consciousness and it doesn't belong to any one person. Once an organism is born it becomes part of that consciousness. The only thing that makes him think he is a separate "self" is memory

LordReed:
For trying to come off sounding as if you don't think there is some guiding intelligence controlling the universe. You'd be fooling no one but yourself.

Proving you don't know usage of "gaslight". Someone whose been arguing with creationists just told you EXACTLY what he thinks - that aspects of the universe point to some sort of design. HOW DOES GASLIGHT COME INTO IT??!!

[quote author=LordReed post=128959972][/quote]So how was I trying hard to gaslight myself when I simply told u what I think

LordReed:
Oh please. Stop trying so hard to gaslight yourself. It is so obvious what you believe.

What do you understand this word you like using actually mean: gaslight?

budaatum:
Do not include me in your mass mentions please since you are not sure you exist.

You don't understand. There is high probability I actually exist (at least at some level), just no CERTITUDE!!!

HellVictorinho6:
same people u refer to as greatest but knowing nothing claimed to know many more things than u think

anyways, not knowing what x means doesnt mean not knowing itz part of an equation and that means we use it to represent a number.

the memory cant exist if u never existed.


the memory cant be separated from u.

Ok, what if this is a long-running computer game of a far advanced alien civilization, and they each have their chips (people) that they play with and the game has set rules, etc.
See? That's just one of a trillion things it could be!

budaatum:
Explain to me whom you, who claims he doesn't actually exist, tags, when you believe those you tag don't actually exist.

Please cite the right wording: I have no way of BEING SURE if and what they really are. The matrix and dreams are also full of people discussing with you - yet none of them exist!

HellVictorinho6:
same people u refer to as greatest but knowing nothing claimed to know many more things than u think

anyways, not knowing what x means doesnt mean not knowing itz part of an equation and that means we use it to represent a number.

the memory cant exist if u never existed.


the memory cant be separated from u.

Sooo, define "u"