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Aemmyjah:
Bwahahahahahaha
They don't even know whose idea to accept as fact regarding natural selection
It's like natural selection is now 2 sides of a coin


One cited Darwin and that is a good reference in argument since Darwin coined the word and define it.
The other person just de cap ignorance

Thank you. I'm suspending the ban I placed on you - you can start quoting me again for now.
LordReed I told you you weren't fooling anybody by trying to obfuscate - anybody who can read can see how shamefully you embarrassed yourself

LordReed:
Exactly Dumdum. Because natural is NOT SELECTING anything. The environment is such that people with the diabetic susceptibilities in their genes WILL pass it on. Natural selection is not some grim reaper killing off people with genetic deficiencies.

WHAT the heck are you shamelessly talking about. You are beginning to get me angry. You have been yapping all this while that there are still diabetics only because diabetics live long enough to have children. You are really beginning to piss me off

Musisco01:
All of you on here saying its an entitlement mentality blah blah blah... all of una no get shame for body or even self respect for that matter; or perhaps y'all are just being hypocritical about the issue. Why would someone i didn't beg for something and after so many years being apart you decide to show of say you dey yanke and dey send me 12.8 dollars?

Its just like you with a basic job in Nigeria (receiving above like 50k) and a friend whom you didn't ask for anything from or a stranger for that matter just asks for your account details only to send you #200. Tell me how you would feel!

If the Nigerian friend had asked him for help and he was angry at that amount, i would say he is ungrateful, but in this case, the Yankee friend out rightly disrespected this man after 16 years of being apart... reason well before you talk.

Timoleon:
Lol...this is worse than insult. It's better to not send anything than ring someone up after 16 years in the abroad just to send 12$.

How about you are homeless but have #200 but your friend is at a place where the value of that #200 is #1000, and you know that's the best use you can make of that money. Will you send it to him?

enambobo:
12 dollars that is not even up to one hour wage for the least worker in the US. Its more like biscuit money. Abeg e no try.

But see? You just automatically assume he's working. That money can actually be big money to him but he figured it'd make more difference to his friend

LordReed:
Dumdum with authority again and misunderstanding metaphor.

How can it scrutinize anything when it is not sentient or capable of such? You are so stupid I even have explain metaphor to you.

Dumdum you had to change the definition of longevity to try and weasel out of showing why a diabetic person still gets to pass his genes with diabetic susceptibility. And you still failed. You are an embarrassment to who ever paid your school fees. What a waste.

Oh about diabetics, I patiently explained to you that even if ALL diabetics were prevented from having children, there'd still be plenty diabetics - because it would be transmitted by carriers who don't experience the disease

LordReed:
Dumdum with authority again and misunderstanding metaphor.

How can it scrutinize anything when it is not sentient or capable of such? You are so stupid I even have explain metaphor to you.

Dumdum you had to change the definition of longevity to try and weasel out of showing why a diabetic person still gets to pass his genes with diabetic susceptibility. And you still failed. You are an embarrassment to who ever paid your school fees. What a waste.

You know, before when I hear "atheist" I automatically think, "this is someone good at reasoning and logic."
You and FRANCISTOWN are beginning to cure me of that delusion

LordReed:
Can you even read? It is clearly written in the screenshot that: Natural selection is NOT "preserving all that is good andrejecting all that is bad," Not at all. Natural selection works by giving surviving populations the continued opportunity to reproduce

You have to be dumber than a sack of rocks to not understand from this that all the traits in a surviving population gets propagated because natural selection is NOT selecting anything.

"Natural selection is NOT selecting anything"
Nothing person no go hear on Nairaland!

Don't you ever get tired of losing and being embarrassed??

Here's Darwin again. He SOLELY invented, coined the phrase, defined, and wrote the book on natural selection!

FRANCISTOWN:
I'm sorry to ask but did you attend any registered school at all?

How do Aerobic fitness and athletic abilities tantamount to exercise?

If your father acquired his muscles and cardiorespiratory endurance because he loves to exercise. You cannot inherit such toned muscles and endurance. Because those are testaments to his exercises.

You can only inherit such toned muscles if your family had a line of men with the genes of toned muscles and endurance.
Also, if a lady works the gym to get her butts rounded. Her daughter can only get a rounded butts if there were recessive genes of such in her lineage.

Now back to the attachments that you added. Please understand simple things.

Aerobic fitness and athletic abilities aren't the same as watching TVs, loving broccoli and loving to exercise. I maintain again. These things are habits and not genetic traits so, please stop this academic embarrassment.


Athletic abilities, what is ability? Ability is power.
Now power not as in authority, but as in strength.

Some people have a genotype that makes them better at power or endurance. Much of this is related to muscle fiber type. If you naturally have more type I fibers, you are more likely to be good at endurance. If you have more type II, fast-twitch fibers, power is your strength.

You cannot inherit exercise and the love of broccoli. You can only inherit good bones and endurance which are good for athletic and aerobic stuff.
If what you said were true, then why does regression towards the mean occur?

Earthly acquired features are not transferable to offsprings.

I thought atheists were supposed to be generally smarter than religionists. You and LordReed are embarrassing the atheist community. JessicaRabbit come o. Come bail them out.
See below and stop embarrassing yourself

LordReed:
LoLz. It's pretentious lil bitches like you who get embarrassed because you are fake from head to toe.

You forgot to add bwahahahahahaha🤣. All in an effort to cover up an embarrassment you could have easily avoided.
Do you still believe non-beneficial traits are passed on through natural selection?🤣😂😅

TINTINABULATION:
Please pardon my assumptions, Sis. I understand your points clearly but just that over-reliance on AI can negatively affect IQ, diminishes thought pattern and depletes ones vocabulary.

No p, I'm used to it. Soo, why do you use calculator??
But the important point is that we insist NOT only on transparency but that there be no appearance of corruption. They'd still steal, but that'll reduce it. You can only imaging how much of that half billion went into private hanfs

FRANCISTOWN:
Haha! First of all. You need to understand what genes and traits are. Then how traits and habits are different.

The basis of my argument with you rests on the fact that. Those traits are not responsible for survival. They are as a result of environment.
Since a child learns how to live life from his immediate environment.
It a child was raised by animals and has never heard any human language. I tell you, that child will not be to speak any human language when he is grown.

It will take him a lot of time to understand and speak the human language. If he gives birth to a child that happens to grow up among humans, are you saying that child won't be able to speak as well?

Did you waste your parents' funds thru schooling? Don't you know that acquired characteristics while alive can't be transferred to offspring?

Some traits are genetic while some are basically not.

Watching TV is not a trait, it's a habit or best a hobby.
Eating broccoli is not a trait. It's a preference or craving.
But allergies are hereditary.

You said exercises are hereditary. You better stop embarrassing yourself.
Have you seen a baby with 6pacs or with a fine toned biceps and triceps?
Do you now understand?

Understand what?😅 Please don't inadvertently get into self-embarassment like LordReed. A simple search woulda set you straight. See below

LordReed:
Bwahahahahahahaha! Look at this ignorant hack, any embarrassment I feel is for the depths of your ignorant arrogance.

Pele sir. Next time do a cursory search before typing so you don't keep embarrassing yourself

TINTINABULATION:
AI, just because you want to comment on Nairaland? Has Education gone that bad? I am so so sorry for you bro!

You can call me Sis my dear. It's a matter of time management. Takes too much time to type. The tech is there, use it. Get with the times.
But this deal, in a saner clime, I bet you people must resign. But in Nigeria, nobody can see anything wrong at all

TINTINABULATION:


I can see that you struggled to write guaranteed, there is no ignorance greater than that!

Poor unexposed kid. He still types. Bet he knows nothing about AI either. My dear I just speak, autocorrect does the rest. No wonder you see nothing wrong with a deal that stinks to the high heavens

Seunpapa65:
Omo see as money is being glup up and down

How do you think the money materialized to build Wigwe University?

TINTINABULATION:
There is nothing so special here until we are privy to the Memorandum of Understanding between Abia State Government & Cranburg Construction. That is the document that will list all the roads to be constructed with the money. There is no law forbidding a private organization, such as Cranburg to approach its bankers for facility to execute a contract. If Access Bank finds her customer, Cranburg Construction credit worthy, then public opinion holds no sway

This ignorance here is why Nigeria is GUARRANTEED to stay corrupt ad infinitum.
It's so ingrained they don't even see it anymore

LordReed:
Dumdum, If I was wrong I trust JessicaRabbit to put me to rights. She didn't because I AM RIGHT but a knucklehead like you is going make rubbish arguments off of arrogant ignorance.

LoLz. Dumdum has lapsed back to to his habit of trying to suck off the teat of authority without understanding a damn thing. Dumdum does not realise when metaphoric statements are being made.

Go, sit and learn numbnuts so you stop talking out your arse.

🤣 Anybody who can read can see you are embarrassed.
I didn't mean to embarrass you but I don't feel too bad about it because I gave you all the hints and chance to back off - look around you, have you ever seen anyone else arguing that natural selection selects bad traits??!!😆 Na wa!
Defeated again.
QED (again! )

LordReed:
LoLz. What a deceptive little wuss. Bwahahahahaha.

I'm glad you at least got some education instead of talking rubbish off the top of your head. It should have given you pause when you praised and "corrected" your fellow atheist and she didn't say anything.

Here's Darwin himself:

LordReed:
Are you afraid? Google it and post the results. LoLz.

It is there for all to see. I don't want to possibly trigger the glitchy antispam by posting a screenshot.
I honestly don't know why you can't get this:

Natural selection simply means individuals that
survive and succeed pass on the genes that aided their success

Simple!

LordReed:
You are the one making a fool of yourself. Google the sentence you wrote in your previous response and educate your dim brain.

Have you seen anyone else on this thread or even NL arguing that Natural Selection selects non-beneficial traits? Sometimes I don't know if you are just pretending.
Natural selection BY DEFINITION selects beneficial traits and let's the harmful disappear!

PoliteActivist:
LordReed, how many times will I call you. Google is FREE. PLEASE, go and educate yourself. Not for myself or anybody, but just so you won't be making a fool of yourself!

Even FRANCISTOWN was NOT arguing that the bad traits should have been carried through. He was only arguing that they carried through because they are habits and not inheritable.
LordReed, I think you are the only one in the world arguing that natural selection selects non-beneficial traits!

LordReed:
LoLz. You are referring to your self since clearly the facts show you are wrong. But instead of accepting you double down with nonsense. Why is competition not making sickle cell and diabetes to disappear? What of heart disease and inherited cancer clsusceptibilities why is competition not making them disappear? Stop being stubborn for once in your life and attempt to understand.

LordReed, how many times will I call you. Google is FREE. PLEASE, go and educate yourself. Not for myself or anybody, but just so you won't be making a fool of yourself!

LordReed:
WRONG AGAIN. They are not selected for, the traits are part of the organisms that survive. Natural selection is NOT DIRECTING which traits are selected. Traits both good and bad continue to carry forward as long as the organisms survive. Sickle cell continues to survive in the population because humans carrying the gene continue to survive. Dude YOU ARE WRONG. Accept it and get a better understanding of natural selection.

Sometimes I wonder if you folks don't do even rudimentary Google search. That's all you need to see that everything you said here is wrong.
Just google:
"Do traits both good and bad continue to carry forward in natural selection"
Then come and tell.us what you found

LordReed:
You are the one having trouble grasping it. It's not magic nor is it some kind of cookie cutter that produces exact copies. You could not explain the facts I pointed out to you based on your own understanding because YOU ARE WRONG. You can't explain why diabetes is INCREASING based on your understanding because YOU ARE WRONG. You can't explain why the longest lived animals are not the most populous based on your understanding because again YOU ARE WRONG. I can explain all these based on natural selection because I AM RIGHT.

Do I have to spoonfeed? Can't you infer the answers from my post to you and FRANCISTOWN.
Here it is again. Tell me how it doesn't answer all your questions:


Ridiculous. Someone CLEARLY told you what he meant and you are still arguing! It is like someone says "let X be 2, 3+X=5" and your reply is "X is not 2"!!😆

Besides that, it is not just by reaching a certain age. Merely surving will not guarantee reproduction. You have to be "rich" enough to get a fertile mate (competition), and vibrantly healthy enough and fertile enough yourself to reproduce.

But not only that, due to competition, over generations the sickly will disappear though they live more than long enough to reproduce

LordReed:
If you can show that love for broccoli was inherited via genetic heritage then it is not a habit.

So FRANCISTOWN you are wrong - healthy food tastes and exercise are indeed inheritable traits

LordReed:
I mean you are wrong.

You are obviously the one wrong. I don't know why you have trouble grasping a theory so simple.
It is NOT complicated, no matter how much you try to make it seem so

LordReed:
LoLz. You have a very flawed conception of what natural selection is. It's not magic. The sickly will still survive as along as they have a chance to reproduce which is what we see happening in nature. Your idea that only the strong and health survive is a fiction either of your own making or flat out misconception from a poor understanding. Educate yourself and stop making arguments for something you clearly lack understanding of.

It is your own conception that is CLEARLY FLAWED.
It is NOT individuals that survive or are selected for, it is TRAITS! Over millions of years beneficial traits survive (are selected for) while non-beneficial ones disappear

LordReed:
It does you just don't understand what it entails. It is not selecting for anything. Environmental and other pressures determine which organisms survive and how they change. You think it's some magic force determining that the organisms with the best traits become the only Survivors which is flat out wrong.

Confusing post. What do you mean?

PoliteActivist:
Well said and well written, good example too.
Sooo you accept that:
1) Humans were DESIGNED to hate whats good for their health and longevity. If not, where did that come from?
2) Where did lions liking raw meat, and goats liking grass come from?
3) LordReed and JessicaRabbit, do you agree with him that those are habits, not heritable traits?

LordReed I answered your question. You still haven't answered mine

LordReed:
LoLz. Now youswitched from longevity to reproductive problems. What you fail to consider is as long as a significant portion of diabetic patients still SUCCESSFULLY reproduce then the susceptibility continues to propagate. Besides the incidence of diabetes is INCREASING not decreasing.

Which is exactly the point - natural selection theory often doesn't pan out in real life.
But in this case you're actually wrong - even if diabetics don't reproduce, people pass on the gene without being diabetic themselves

FRANCISTOWN:
Nope! A human being can reproduce at 14. Would that mean such human has enjoyed longevity?
I[b][/b]n fact, we'd day the person dies prematurely.

Longevity in the events of humans begins from 80 years upward.

Therefore reproduction stage and longevity are different.
I also talked about organisms that die immediately after reproduction.

LordReed:
Explain why the longest lived animals are not the most populous.

Ridiculous. Someone CLEARLY told you what he meant and you are still arguing! It is like someone says "let X be 2, 3+X=5" and your reply is "X is not 2"!!😆

Besides that, it is not just by reaching a certain age. Merely surving will not guarantee reproduction. You have to be "rich" enough to get a fertile mate (competition), and vibrantly healthy enough and fertile enough yourself to reproduce.

But not only that, due to competition, over generations the sickly will disappear though they live more than long enough to reproduce

LordReed:
Your definition is nothing but equivocation. Nevertheless, explain how diabetes prevents someone from living long enough to reproduce.

You obviously haven't done your research (as usual )

In men it can cause problems getting and maintaining an erection, and also lower levels of testosterone.
In women it can result in irregular or absent menstrual cycles, and also increase the risk of miscarriage and still birth.