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budaatum:
A person can say they can fly too but that doesn't mean they can. Or do you not expect one to not check for evidence?

And why/how should a god that doesn't exist proclaim it's own none existence? Does invisible food fill your belly?

I think the greatest flaw of the human mind (and a flaw we are NOT aware of) is that we each assume everybody experiences reality same way we do.
When infact, you can say we all live in different worlds though we are physically in same world. Life is almost entirely subjective.

There are people who KNOW 200% that God exists - because they talk with {"with"NOT "to"} him everyday!
Then there are people who have absolutely no business with God whatsoever, infact they don't even believe there is a supernatural to begin with

LordReed:
What did you say here:

Exactly what I said previously and have always said - that natural selection is flawed, that it doesn't always pan out in real life

FRANCISTOWN:
Who be your dear?
Tani dear ẹ?

My emphasis right from the begining was that Natural Selection is based on survival thru adaptation and instinct.

The habit thing was just an off-topic point to elucidate that earthly acquired characters are not transferrable to offsprings.

BTW, @ the emboldened. Did I really say anything like that? Please refresh my memory.

Since you don't like "my dear". I'll call you my luv.
Ma lu you not only said it, you bolded it. See below

LordReed:
Chei see gaslighting. You that was arguing that natural selection cannot be true you are now changing mouth. LoLz.

This is what happens when your brain undergoes some corrective bitchslap. LMAO!

Igtheist Reed I know you can read. What did I say below?

FRANCISTOWN:
Trying not to use offensive words since this discussion began has really been a struggle for me but you @ the emboldened just violated a gentleman which of course will never let it slide.

Are you stupid ni?
Is watching TV not a habit?
Eating a particular kinda stuff is a habit.
Haven't you heard of a food habit?
Consistent exercise becomes a habit over a period of time.

A habit is different from a hobby. People unconsciously perform their habit sometimes. Some habits are not even enjoyable yet some people still perform them.

To crown your clownery, you said "NO scientists ever made the low-IQ statement that •watching TV is a habit
•Loving Broccoli is a habit

How many scientists do you know to come into such a drastic conclusion. You need help o.

Do not argue with people who obviously know more than you. Humble yourself and learn.
Earthly acquired characteristics and habits are not transferrable to offsprings.

Am I the only one on this thread who is appalled by this dumbness?
If it were possible to genetically inherit the love of broccoli from our parents. Why do some of us despise meals that are loved by either or both of our parents.

Each specific gene is like a TV remote control. Some life activities can increase the level while some can decrease it. This has been proven by the body of science that parents who eat healthy and exercise well tend to alter their genes and give birth to much healthy baby with better brain.

Many scientists will never agree with Lamarck that those habits are automatically infused into their genes and passed unto their offspring.

That is: exercise can alter your genes to have healthy babies, but doesn't mean your babies will grow up to love exercise.

Do you even know the real reason the US banned gene editing? Obviously you don't.

You genetically inherit watching TV from your parents? Pure madness

So parents who loved to smoke will have kids who smokes?
Parents who love beans will have kids who love beans?
Parents who love listening to the radio will have kids who also love doing that?
Parents who love to read will also have kids who love to read?

My parents love to listen to the radio like crazy, yet none of us their kids love that radio nonsense.

I think it's time I stopped honouring your mentions.

My dear, you don't understand. It is not the way you instinctively think it is. This is also what led LordReed into embarrassing himself.

Ask any scientist or even google why natural selection hasn't made humans like healthy foods and exercise.
Not a SINGLE one will tell you it is because they are habits!😆

Don't take it too personal. How else will you learn. Even extremely knowledgeable and well-read me doesn't know everything!😎

JessicaRabbit and Seun, please come o. The intellectual level of the discussion is becoming so low it is suffocating me.

I think some folks of the atheistic persuasion might have lost track of of what this particular part of the discussion is all about, so let me bring everyone back to base.

It started with Reed posting Jessica that natural selection does not only pass on beneficial traits, but also harmful ones. I replied Reed that I know natural selection is flawed because I, like most people, like foods that are bad for my health and longevity, and also would rather chill than go to the gym. Reed replied that it is because those traits do not affect reproduction. I told him all traits that help a specie to succeed get passed on. He then made his famous statement: "Natural selection does not select anything"!

Now, FRANCISTOWN came in with that they don't get passed on because they are habits not inheritatble traits, and foolishly started arguing it.
What the poor guy doesn't know is that there is a raging debate in the scientific community as to why this is so - why natural selection has not made us love foods that are good for us and hate foods bad for us, and also love exercise.
What he doesn't know is that NO scientist ever made the low-IQ statement that "it is because they are habits"! I mean, there is uninformed, then there is ridiculous!

Now we're all on the same page, let's continue.

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Timoleon:
In the contrary though, it happens severally. Recently it made front page how a stranger gifted another person 80k money for bag of rice. The receiver didn't beg, the receiver wasnt poor. Yet the giver gave out by simply saying send your account number. I'm sure you saw the story.

It happens

You know, I don't know how some of you people reason.

"A stranger gifted another person 80k money for bag of rice. The receiver didn't beg, the receiver wasnt poor. Yet the giver gave out by simply saying send your account number"

Show that statement to a NORMAL person, they'd know you're kuku. Of all the people begging money, even here on NL. How do you even know the person needs a bag of rice?? Kolo people everywhere

But even beyond that, someone you haven't spoken to in 16 years, who doesn't know if your have become a millionaire in the interim, will just call you out of the blue to send your account number!
What some of you people believe eh!

LordReed:
Dumdum Aemmyjah doesn't know jack about natural selection so why would I take a cue from them? But you would, you delusional phony.

He knows enough not to make ridiculously dumb statements like:
"Natural selection is NOT selecting anything" !!

LordReed:
No dumdum there are diabetics because the gene keeps getting passed to the next generation. In your magic formulation of natural selection these diabetics will not exist because this completely non sentient process would have killed them off. You kept yapping about longevity and how diabetics have poor reproductive health. You are just a phony.

You gotten me so angry right now I almost spilled my coffee. Don't worry, I'd dig up all your ridiculous posts and put them up for all to see

Timoleon:
They said 18 years wrongly. The body of the article says the person left in 2008. To the matter of 'his poor friend' nowhere was it said that his friend was poor. Like it was said in the OP and I have reiterated, the Nigerian based friend didn't ask him for money. The abroad based person messaged by himself to say send you account number. If he was struggling abroad, he should have simply maintained status quo. No harm in that. If I am struggling, my priority will be receiving not giving randomly even to people that didn't ask me for anything.

Anyway I can see right away it is a made-up story - don't know why people can't see that. Nobody would message you after 16 years and tell you to send your account number without any "find something for boys". And how did he get his number?

Timoleon:
If I am homeless, I cannot be sending money to someone who has a roof over his head na. It makes no sense. The 16 years wey we no see, na sand e dey chop?

They said 18 years - I wonder if it ever occurred to the guy here he couldn't have been doing that well to not come home for that long. I bet you his "poor" friend here is doing better than him - happily married, etc.

Aemmyjah:
Bwahahahahahaha
They don't even know whose idea to accept as fact regarding natural selection
It's like natural selection is now 2 sides of a coin


One cited Darwin and that is a good reference in argument since Darwin coined the word and define it.
The other person just de cap ignorance

Thank you. I'm suspending the ban I placed on you - you can start quoting me again for now.
LordReed I told you you weren't fooling anybody by trying to obfuscate - anybody who can read can see how shamefully you embarrassed yourself

LordReed:
Exactly Dumdum. Because natural is NOT SELECTING anything. The environment is such that people with the diabetic susceptibilities in their genes WILL pass it on. Natural selection is not some grim reaper killing off people with genetic deficiencies.

WHAT the heck are you shamelessly talking about. You are beginning to get me angry. You have been yapping all this while that there are still diabetics only because diabetics live long enough to have children. You are really beginning to piss me off

Musisco01:
All of you on here saying its an entitlement mentality blah blah blah... all of una no get shame for body or even self respect for that matter; or perhaps y'all are just being hypocritical about the issue. Why would someone i didn't beg for something and after so many years being apart you decide to show of say you dey yanke and dey send me 12.8 dollars?

Its just like you with a basic job in Nigeria (receiving above like 50k) and a friend whom you didn't ask for anything from or a stranger for that matter just asks for your account details only to send you #200. Tell me how you would feel!

If the Nigerian friend had asked him for help and he was angry at that amount, i would say he is ungrateful, but in this case, the Yankee friend out rightly disrespected this man after 16 years of being apart... reason well before you talk.

Timoleon:
Lol...this is worse than insult. It's better to not send anything than ring someone up after 16 years in the abroad just to send 12$.

How about you are homeless but have #200 but your friend is at a place where the value of that #200 is #1000, and you know that's the best use you can make of that money. Will you send it to him?

enambobo:
12 dollars that is not even up to one hour wage for the least worker in the US. Its more like biscuit money. Abeg e no try.

But see? You just automatically assume he's working. That money can actually be big money to him but he figured it'd make more difference to his friend

LordReed:
Dumdum with authority again and misunderstanding metaphor.

How can it scrutinize anything when it is not sentient or capable of such? You are so stupid I even have explain metaphor to you.

Dumdum you had to change the definition of longevity to try and weasel out of showing why a diabetic person still gets to pass his genes with diabetic susceptibility. And you still failed. You are an embarrassment to who ever paid your school fees. What a waste.

Oh about diabetics, I patiently explained to you that even if ALL diabetics were prevented from having children, there'd still be plenty diabetics - because it would be transmitted by carriers who don't experience the disease

LordReed:
Dumdum with authority again and misunderstanding metaphor.

How can it scrutinize anything when it is not sentient or capable of such? You are so stupid I even have explain metaphor to you.

Dumdum you had to change the definition of longevity to try and weasel out of showing why a diabetic person still gets to pass his genes with diabetic susceptibility. And you still failed. You are an embarrassment to who ever paid your school fees. What a waste.

You know, before when I hear "atheist" I automatically think, "this is someone good at reasoning and logic."
You and FRANCISTOWN are beginning to cure me of that delusion

LordReed:
Can you even read? It is clearly written in the screenshot that: Natural selection is NOT "preserving all that is good andrejecting all that is bad," Not at all. Natural selection works by giving surviving populations the continued opportunity to reproduce

You have to be dumber than a sack of rocks to not understand from this that all the traits in a surviving population gets propagated because natural selection is NOT selecting anything.

"Natural selection is NOT selecting anything"
Nothing person no go hear on Nairaland!

Don't you ever get tired of losing and being embarrassed??

Here's Darwin again. He SOLELY invented, coined the phrase, defined, and wrote the book on natural selection!

FRANCISTOWN:
I'm sorry to ask but did you attend any registered school at all?

How do Aerobic fitness and athletic abilities tantamount to exercise?

If your father acquired his muscles and cardiorespiratory endurance because he loves to exercise. You cannot inherit such toned muscles and endurance. Because those are testaments to his exercises.

You can only inherit such toned muscles if your family had a line of men with the genes of toned muscles and endurance.
Also, if a lady works the gym to get her butts rounded. Her daughter can only get a rounded butts if there were recessive genes of such in her lineage.

Now back to the attachments that you added. Please understand simple things.

Aerobic fitness and athletic abilities aren't the same as watching TVs, loving broccoli and loving to exercise. I maintain again. These things are habits and not genetic traits so, please stop this academic embarrassment.


Athletic abilities, what is ability? Ability is power.
Now power not as in authority, but as in strength.

Some people have a genotype that makes them better at power or endurance. Much of this is related to muscle fiber type. If you naturally have more type I fibers, you are more likely to be good at endurance. If you have more type II, fast-twitch fibers, power is your strength.

You cannot inherit exercise and the love of broccoli. You can only inherit good bones and endurance which are good for athletic and aerobic stuff.
If what you said were true, then why does regression towards the mean occur?

Earthly acquired features are not transferable to offsprings.

I thought atheists were supposed to be generally smarter than religionists. You and LordReed are embarrassing the atheist community. JessicaRabbit come o. Come bail them out.
See below and stop embarrassing yourself

LordReed:
LoLz. It's pretentious lil bitches like you who get embarrassed because you are fake from head to toe.

You forgot to add bwahahahahahaha🤣. All in an effort to cover up an embarrassment you could have easily avoided.
Do you still believe non-beneficial traits are passed on through natural selection?🤣😂😅

TINTINABULATION:
Please pardon my assumptions, Sis. I understand your points clearly but just that over-reliance on AI can negatively affect IQ, diminishes thought pattern and depletes ones vocabulary.

No p, I'm used to it. Soo, why do you use calculator??
But the important point is that we insist NOT only on transparency but that there be no appearance of corruption. They'd still steal, but that'll reduce it. You can only imaging how much of that half billion went into private hanfs

FRANCISTOWN:
Haha! First of all. You need to understand what genes and traits are. Then how traits and habits are different.

The basis of my argument with you rests on the fact that. Those traits are not responsible for survival. They are as a result of environment.
Since a child learns how to live life from his immediate environment.
It a child was raised by animals and has never heard any human language. I tell you, that child will not be to speak any human language when he is grown.

It will take him a lot of time to understand and speak the human language. If he gives birth to a child that happens to grow up among humans, are you saying that child won't be able to speak as well?

Did you waste your parents' funds thru schooling? Don't you know that acquired characteristics while alive can't be transferred to offspring?

Some traits are genetic while some are basically not.

Watching TV is not a trait, it's a habit or best a hobby.
Eating broccoli is not a trait. It's a preference or craving.
But allergies are hereditary.

You said exercises are hereditary. You better stop embarrassing yourself.
Have you seen a baby with 6pacs or with a fine toned biceps and triceps?
Do you now understand?

Understand what?😅 Please don't inadvertently get into self-embarassment like LordReed. A simple search woulda set you straight. See below

LordReed:
Bwahahahahahahaha! Look at this ignorant hack, any embarrassment I feel is for the depths of your ignorant arrogance.

Pele sir. Next time do a cursory search before typing so you don't keep embarrassing yourself

TINTINABULATION:
AI, just because you want to comment on Nairaland? Has Education gone that bad? I am so so sorry for you bro!

You can call me Sis my dear. It's a matter of time management. Takes too much time to type. The tech is there, use it. Get with the times.
But this deal, in a saner clime, I bet you people must resign. But in Nigeria, nobody can see anything wrong at all

TINTINABULATION:


I can see that you struggled to write guaranteed, there is no ignorance greater than that!

Poor unexposed kid. He still types. Bet he knows nothing about AI either. My dear I just speak, autocorrect does the rest. No wonder you see nothing wrong with a deal that stinks to the high heavens

Seunpapa65:
Omo see as money is being glup up and down

How do you think the money materialized to build Wigwe University?

TINTINABULATION:
There is nothing so special here until we are privy to the Memorandum of Understanding between Abia State Government & Cranburg Construction. That is the document that will list all the roads to be constructed with the money. There is no law forbidding a private organization, such as Cranburg to approach its bankers for facility to execute a contract. If Access Bank finds her customer, Cranburg Construction credit worthy, then public opinion holds no sway

This ignorance here is why Nigeria is GUARRANTEED to stay corrupt ad infinitum.
It's so ingrained they don't even see it anymore

LordReed:
Dumdum, If I was wrong I trust JessicaRabbit to put me to rights. She didn't because I AM RIGHT but a knucklehead like you is going make rubbish arguments off of arrogant ignorance.

LoLz. Dumdum has lapsed back to to his habit of trying to suck off the teat of authority without understanding a damn thing. Dumdum does not realise when metaphoric statements are being made.

Go, sit and learn numbnuts so you stop talking out your arse.

🤣 Anybody who can read can see you are embarrassed.
I didn't mean to embarrass you but I don't feel too bad about it because I gave you all the hints and chance to back off - look around you, have you ever seen anyone else arguing that natural selection selects bad traits??!!😆 Na wa!
Defeated again.
QED (again! )

LordReed:
LoLz. What a deceptive little wuss. Bwahahahahaha.

I'm glad you at least got some education instead of talking rubbish off the top of your head. It should have given you pause when you praised and "corrected" your fellow atheist and she didn't say anything.

Here's Darwin himself:

LordReed:
Are you afraid? Google it and post the results. LoLz.

It is there for all to see. I don't want to possibly trigger the glitchy antispam by posting a screenshot.
I honestly don't know why you can't get this:

Natural selection simply means individuals that
survive and succeed pass on the genes that aided their success

Simple!

LordReed:
You are the one making a fool of yourself. Google the sentence you wrote in your previous response and educate your dim brain.

Have you seen anyone else on this thread or even NL arguing that Natural Selection selects non-beneficial traits? Sometimes I don't know if you are just pretending.
Natural selection BY DEFINITION selects beneficial traits and let's the harmful disappear!

PoliteActivist:
LordReed, how many times will I call you. Google is FREE. PLEASE, go and educate yourself. Not for myself or anybody, but just so you won't be making a fool of yourself!

Even FRANCISTOWN was NOT arguing that the bad traits should have been carried through. He was only arguing that they carried through because they are habits and not inheritable.
LordReed, I think you are the only one in the world arguing that natural selection selects non-beneficial traits!