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FRANCISTOWN:
A prediction which came to pass is not a proof of the existence of any God.

If it were? Then I'm a god myself.

As an atheist, I do speak into people's lives and those things which I speak always come to pass the exact way I say them. I don't feel any special kind of way when I speak those things. I just say them playfully. And I've been consistent like crazy.

Like I've said,, I think the greatest flaw of the human mind (and a flaw we are NOT aware of) is that we each assume everybody experiences reality same way we do.
When infact, you can say we all live in different worlds though we are physically in same world. Life is almost entirely subjective.
When you add to that the fact that our earth is not even a speck in our small galaxy, and that our galaxy is not even a speck in the universe, and that our universe could be one of infinite number of universes.
Then add to that that you don’t know the true nature of existence or reality.
Add all that and you'll KNOW you are NOT qualified to have an opinion on God or anybody's relationship with him!

FRANCISTOWN:
Haha! Isn't this plenty like this?
Celestial being wey know everything.

I include myself. We don't know anything. We shouldn't arrive at opinions on God and supernatural through logic. We should only arrive at such through instinct and direct experience

budaatum:
Science, as in what we learn by using our senses, constantly evolves.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/mar/09/controversial-new-theory-of-gravity-rules-out-need-for-dark-matter

The theory is nothing. Someone already proposed a theory that the universe itself does not exist!

budaatum:
You definitely don't know the true nature of my existence. You don't even know what I look like or whether I can spell my name or not, so I doubt you'd qualify to appraise my opinion about anything at all.

I don't have to know you. I know you think there is no supernatural and I know earthly folks don't know ANYTHING

budaatum:
That is no a reason to now invent things in my subjective head and then claim they objectively really exist.

But if you are that sort, help me with my Ferrari desires please.

But nobody invented anything. These are encounters people have. Just because you don’t have them... I told you we all live in different realities

HellVictorinho6:
I said letz meet on watsap 2 see how we can proceed

whatever the case

I don't have time to waste.
I have to know in advance.
And the only way I can know is if I drop my account and you drop me something right here on NL

budaatum:
Science, as in what we learn by using our senses, constantly evolves.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/mar/09/controversial-new-theory-of-gravity-rules-out-need-for-dark-matter

Your senses? Do you know you can only see 0.003% of light spectrum?
Maybe things were changed by "someone"- either the dark matter or the scientists

budaatum:
You definitely don't know the true nature of my existence. You don't even know what I look like or whether I can spell my name or not, so I doubt you'd qualify to appraise my opinion about anything at all.

Shorten what? We are talking "Buddha" not "Shokolokobangoshe"!

budaatum:
I don't "believe there is a supernatural to begin with" because I know there isn't a supernatural to begin with and I love my God books.

You don't know ANYTHING. That's just a fact. You don't even know the true nature of your existence or of reality.
You are simply NOT qualified to have opinion about supernatural

budaatum:
My human mind does not have the flaw of assuming everybody experiences reality the same way I do because that would imply that everybody has trained and cultivated the senses with which they experience reality the same way I have mine, and I have not found that to be so.

I in fact do not even assume everybody perceives the reality that is acting on them without them experiencing it.


We all do live on this same earth in this same world, but just the fact we may live in different places means our lifes are subjective to us, but claiming what subjective I perceive or claim to be true, is objective, is a bit of a wuruwuru jump to me.

My life might be subjective to subjective me, but my subjective opinion is not the objective world.



Is one of them called TBJoshua?

I have no problem with anyone who claims to "KNOW 200% that God exists - because they talk with {"with"NOT "to"} him everyday", but i wouldn't do business with such people, and I wouldn't generally socialise with them or marry them, and they wouldn't ask me to I don't think.



I don't "believe there is a supernatural to begin with" because I know there isn't a supernatural to begin with and I love my God books.

You don't know ANYTHING. That's just a fact. You don't even know the true nature of your existence or of reality.
You are simply NOT qualified to have opinion about supernatural

HellVictorinho6:
Letz proceed

You sure?
I mean $400 per night range (I only deal in dollars)

budaatum:
Love the Polite. Evidence has supported it.

Thou should not make up imaginary subjective things about buda, considering you can not possibly know what or how much buda may have absorbed and or processed with buda's own mind that and because it is subject to buda. Objectively speaking that is.

What's this your obsession with Buddha? And how come you can't spell the name?

FRANCISTOWN:
I've told people things will happen and they did happen. But I've not heard from any God so far. Wait! Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

Yeah but you didn’t consistently do it. And you didn't tell them you were doubting what you were told about a certain MOG dying because it seemed impossible, then shortly after, TB died!

FRANCISTOWN:
Most irritating. Let's avoid such useless word please.


Now I see where the problem is. You must have misconstrued my intentions.

My emphasis from begining had been on Evolution by Natural Selection on survival based on adaptation and instinct.

You misunderstood evolution for inheritance.
You are failing to see the big picture here.

Inheritance is a very small part of evolution.
Evolution is like the entire hydrosphere, inheritance is like the river at your backyard ✌️😂

😅 OK, I'd help you save face. Only that you were arguing it for pages - and it's all there for all to read.
You'd be alright las las, insha Allah

HellVictorinho6:
Message me

Watsap

09163989689

I'm a bit on the high side. U sure u can handle it?
(I mean handle the high amount - be serious, I'm not jocking)

HellVictorinho6:
but u know am not happy with u

Seems u dont care


What can bring us closer?

Tell me

What sorta service makes u friendly?


Engage me

I do hook-ups on the low

budaatum:
Aliens are a tough sell among scientists these days even if they are a hot topic in congressional hearings and popular culture.

On Friday, the Department of Defense released a lengthy report declaring there is no evidence that aliens have visited Earth, dismissing the venerable conjecture that the government has secretly recovered alien hardware.

https://wapo.st/3TwcLVe

When you fully absorb the implications of the fact that our earth is not even a speck in our small galaxy, and that our galaxy is not even a speck in the universe, and that our universe could be one of infinite number of universes, you'd realise this news means nothing

FRANCISTOWN:
The world love irritates me, I hate it so much to death. It makes me feel like throwing up. Ew!

Meanwhile you said:


Did I say human habits are the reasons natural selection hasn't made humans like healthy foods and exercise?

I'm failing to understand the quote with respect to the screenshot you attached.

That's why it is "luv". Less irritating, ain't it?

Stop playing dumb. You were going on and on as to why we did not get rid of the bad traits of liking junk food and hating exercise because those are habits and not inheritable!

FRANCISTOWN:
Haha! Interesting. Did you mean by having a cup of tea with him?

You can make fun but these are people who'd tell you God told them something, and it'll come to pass. There is sooo much to this our reality

HellVictorinho6:
Is dis madness a natural or a selection?

Hmmm, good question. What do you think? I'd really like to know

budaatum:
My human mind does not have the flaw of assuming everybody experiences reality the same way I do because that would imply that everybody has trained and cultivated the senses with which they experience reality the same way I have mine, and I have not found that to be so.

I in fact do not even assume everybody perceives the reality that is acting on them without them experiencing it.


We all do live on this same earth in this same world, but just the fact we may live in different places means our lifes are subjective to us, but claiming what subjective I perceive or claim to be true, is objective, is a bit of a wuruwuru jump to me.

My life might be subjective to subjective me, but my subjective opinion is not the objective world.

Is one of them called TBJoshua?

I have no problem with anyone who claims to "KNOW 200% that God exists - because they talk with {"with"NOT "to"} him everyday", but i wouldn't do business with such people, and I wouldn't generally socialise with them or marry them, and they wouldn't ask me to I don't think.

I don't "believe there is a supernatural to begin with" because I know there isn't a supernatural to begin with and I love my God books.

U a funny guy😅
Well, reality is subjective - even quantum mechanics seems to indicate our minds create it.
But beyond that, do you know where your thoughts come from? How about your dreams? How come you have absolutely no say over what dream you'd have?
And do you realize that if our earth is shrunk to the size of a seed, the diameter of our galaxy would still be from here to mars? Yet our galaxy is not even a spack in the universe?

All our geniuses come to the conclusion they know nothing, and they are right!

Consider: more than 95% of our universe is made up of dark matter/dark energy, yet we don't know what it is. We know it is there but we don't have the foggiest idea what it is!
Consider: scientists have determined there are at least 10 dimensions, and possibly up to a thousand. Yet we can perceive only 4. FOUR!
Consider: our earth is is so infinitestimally small compared to the observable universe you can almost say it doesn't exist (on a universe scale, you can't see the earth even with the strogest microscope). Yet the observable universe is only one 64 millionth of the estimated size of the our universe. Then there is the multiverse theory - there could be unlimited number of universes!
Compound all that with the fact that: limitations and manipulations could have been built into our perception of reality such that we only perceive what "they" want us to perceive. Scientists have no way of knowing what is really there!
Add to all that, brains and circumstances could be being manipulated on a day-to-day ongoing basis, while studies and observations are being done (we still don't know how or where our dreams come from!).

Add all that up and you'll realize, when Einstein, Newton, Galileo, and other geniuses said they knew nothing, maybe they were not as stupid as some people think they were!

budaatum:
A person can say they can fly too but that doesn't mean they can. Or do you not expect one to not check for evidence?

And why/how should a god that doesn't exist proclaim it's own none existence? Does invisible food fill your belly?

I think the greatest flaw of the human mind (and a flaw we are NOT aware of) is that we each assume everybody experiences reality same way we do.
When infact, you can say we all live in different worlds though we are physically in same world. Life is almost entirely subjective.

There are people who KNOW 200% that God exists - because they talk with {"with"NOT "to"} him everyday!
Then there are people who have absolutely no business with God whatsoever, infact they don't even believe there is a supernatural to begin with

LordReed:
What did you say here:

Exactly what I said previously and have always said - that natural selection is flawed, that it doesn't always pan out in real life

FRANCISTOWN:
Who be your dear?
Tani dear ẹ?

My emphasis right from the begining was that Natural Selection is based on survival thru adaptation and instinct.

The habit thing was just an off-topic point to elucidate that earthly acquired characters are not transferrable to offsprings.

BTW, @ the emboldened. Did I really say anything like that? Please refresh my memory.

Since you don't like "my dear". I'll call you my luv.
Ma lu you not only said it, you bolded it. See below

LordReed:
Chei see gaslighting. You that was arguing that natural selection cannot be true you are now changing mouth. LoLz.

This is what happens when your brain undergoes some corrective bitchslap. LMAO!

Igtheist Reed I know you can read. What did I say below?

FRANCISTOWN:
Trying not to use offensive words since this discussion began has really been a struggle for me but you @ the emboldened just violated a gentleman which of course will never let it slide.

Are you stupid ni?
Is watching TV not a habit?
Eating a particular kinda stuff is a habit.
Haven't you heard of a food habit?
Consistent exercise becomes a habit over a period of time.

A habit is different from a hobby. People unconsciously perform their habit sometimes. Some habits are not even enjoyable yet some people still perform them.

To crown your clownery, you said "NO scientists ever made the low-IQ statement that •watching TV is a habit
•Loving Broccoli is a habit

How many scientists do you know to come into such a drastic conclusion. You need help o.

Do not argue with people who obviously know more than you. Humble yourself and learn.
Earthly acquired characteristics and habits are not transferrable to offsprings.

Am I the only one on this thread who is appalled by this dumbness?
If it were possible to genetically inherit the love of broccoli from our parents. Why do some of us despise meals that are loved by either or both of our parents.

Each specific gene is like a TV remote control. Some life activities can increase the level while some can decrease it. This has been proven by the body of science that parents who eat healthy and exercise well tend to alter their genes and give birth to much healthy baby with better brain.

Many scientists will never agree with Lamarck that those habits are automatically infused into their genes and passed unto their offspring.

That is: exercise can alter your genes to have healthy babies, but doesn't mean your babies will grow up to love exercise.

Do you even know the real reason the US banned gene editing? Obviously you don't.

You genetically inherit watching TV from your parents? Pure madness

So parents who loved to smoke will have kids who smokes?
Parents who love beans will have kids who love beans?
Parents who love listening to the radio will have kids who also love doing that?
Parents who love to read will also have kids who love to read?

My parents love to listen to the radio like crazy, yet none of us their kids love that radio nonsense.

I think it's time I stopped honouring your mentions.

My dear, you don't understand. It is not the way you instinctively think it is. This is also what led LordReed into embarrassing himself.

Ask any scientist or even google why natural selection hasn't made humans like healthy foods and exercise.
Not a SINGLE one will tell you it is because they are habits!😆

Don't take it too personal. How else will you learn. Even extremely knowledgeable and well-read me doesn't know everything!😎

JessicaRabbit and Seun, please come o. The intellectual level of the discussion is becoming so low it is suffocating me.

I think some folks of the atheistic persuasion might have lost track of of what this particular part of the discussion is all about, so let me bring everyone back to base.

It started with Reed posting Jessica that natural selection does not only pass on beneficial traits, but also harmful ones. I replied Reed that I know natural selection is flawed because I, like most people, like foods that are bad for my health and longevity, and also would rather chill than go to the gym. Reed replied that it is because those traits do not affect reproduction. I told him all traits that help a specie to succeed get passed on. He then made his famous statement: "Natural selection does not select anything"!

Now, FRANCISTOWN came in with that they don't get passed on because they are habits not inheritatble traits, and foolishly started arguing it.
What the poor guy doesn't know is that there is a raging debate in the scientific community as to why this is so - why natural selection has not made us love foods that are good for us and hate foods bad for us, and also love exercise.
What he doesn't know is that NO scientist ever made the low-IQ statement that "it is because they are habits"! I mean, there is uninformed, then there is ridiculous!

Now we're all on the same page, let's continue.

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Timoleon:
In the contrary though, it happens severally. Recently it made front page how a stranger gifted another person 80k money for bag of rice. The receiver didn't beg, the receiver wasnt poor. Yet the giver gave out by simply saying send your account number. I'm sure you saw the story.

It happens

You know, I don't know how some of you people reason.

"A stranger gifted another person 80k money for bag of rice. The receiver didn't beg, the receiver wasnt poor. Yet the giver gave out by simply saying send your account number"

Show that statement to a NORMAL person, they'd know you're kuku. Of all the people begging money, even here on NL. How do you even know the person needs a bag of rice?? Kolo people everywhere

But even beyond that, someone you haven't spoken to in 16 years, who doesn't know if your have become a millionaire in the interim, will just call you out of the blue to send your account number!
What some of you people believe eh!

LordReed:
Dumdum Aemmyjah doesn't know jack about natural selection so why would I take a cue from them? But you would, you delusional phony.

He knows enough not to make ridiculously dumb statements like:
"Natural selection is NOT selecting anything" !!

LordReed:
No dumdum there are diabetics because the gene keeps getting passed to the next generation. In your magic formulation of natural selection these diabetics will not exist because this completely non sentient process would have killed them off. You kept yapping about longevity and how diabetics have poor reproductive health. You are just a phony.

You gotten me so angry right now I almost spilled my coffee. Don't worry, I'd dig up all your ridiculous posts and put them up for all to see

Timoleon:
They said 18 years wrongly. The body of the article says the person left in 2008. To the matter of 'his poor friend' nowhere was it said that his friend was poor. Like it was said in the OP and I have reiterated, the Nigerian based friend didn't ask him for money. The abroad based person messaged by himself to say send you account number. If he was struggling abroad, he should have simply maintained status quo. No harm in that. If I am struggling, my priority will be receiving not giving randomly even to people that didn't ask me for anything.

Anyway I can see right away it is a made-up story - don't know why people can't see that. Nobody would message you after 16 years and tell you to send your account number without any "find something for boys". And how did he get his number?

Timoleon:
If I am homeless, I cannot be sending money to someone who has a roof over his head na. It makes no sense. The 16 years wey we no see, na sand e dey chop?

They said 18 years - I wonder if it ever occurred to the guy here he couldn't have been doing that well to not come home for that long. I bet you his "poor" friend here is doing better than him - happily married, etc.