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Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:28pm On May 14, 2021
livingchrist:


@bolded, the law cannot acquit a sinner, right?

According to the bible all have sinned, so the law already condemns all who sins, so if the law cannot make a sinner righteous, then what where you blabbing about?
The people that need righteousness are sinners, and ths law is powerless in that regard,



the law has no power to give life, the ten commandment is even called the ministrations of death.


Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.


2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:



Your ego will not let you see the truth.

I hate repeating myself.

I said the law cannot justify us before God becos we are all guilty before him.

It took the blood of Jesus for us to be credited righteous before God.

All our past sins and debt we owe to the law of God is blotted us by the reason of Christ's death.

But from the moment we accept that gift, we are subjected to the commandments of God, we are expected to obey Gods commandments as a demonstration of our love for God.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:34pm On May 14, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
The circumcision has been there from the time of Abraham so know that Christianity has nothing to do with such laws that's where you are making the mistake.
Christianity is the principles leading to Paradise while the laws whether ten or 600 given to the nation of Israel was that rules that will help the Israelites recognize the Christ.
Once they're able to identify him they don't need those laws anymore, what remains is how to practice Christianity without violating the laws guiding their nation.
For instance, i'm a Nigerian so as long as i live in this country i'm subjected to the rules of the land but when the rulers come up orders violating my faith i'll say "NO" that's why Jesus was obedient to some laws but kicking against others in his time. The rulers were setting rules that's violating Godly principles! smiley


All this one you are speaking is grammar.

God is clear those who keep his commandments are those who love him and will inherit eternal life.

No where did God write principles or guide.

Just as God was explicit and clear with Adam and Eve about eating the forbiddens fruit so also God is clear with humanity with regards to what he calls sin.

For your information no where did Jesus say the law has passed away or it's time has passed.
Rather he said Heaven and Earth will pass away but one dot or T will never pass away from the law.
Its Obvious Hean and Earth has not passed away so the law still holds.

How you overlook clear Bible verse like this inorder to teach your false doctrine is beyond my imagination.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:35pm On May 14, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


grin Good! But you did not take note of one of the Truths you declared up there which is "POWER"

Is The Law not Very very Powerful?

Do you Also remember this Law that that which is flesh, is flesh and that which is spirit, is spirit?

Does that Law not explain Also that that which is Holy, is Holy? Under here remember the Tabernacle, Incense and all which Moses consecrated to The Lord, so how can The Law which Proceeds out of the Mouth of God not be Holy?

And Remember Also that "Man doth not Live ... But by what?

Is Every Word of God Not Law?

Yes the law is holy but not the Holy spirit.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by livingchrist: 9:50pm On May 14, 2021
blueAgent:



Is amazing how you ignored the verses I gave, you did not even try to refute them only for you to digress to another misquoted verse.

Note .
Not every where Law is mentioned in the bible does not refer to the 10commandments, some are referring to the law of priesthood and sacrificial laws.

You just lump everything together without read in context ,and that's the very reason you are confused.

We start by faith and end by faith, but any faith that does not produce works is dead.
The question is what are the works?they are obedience to God's commandments.

Law and faith are not opposing each other rather they compliments each other.
it is when one has faith that he obeys the commandments of God because he knows that God rewards those who diligently seek him.


This are facts no amount of your wishful thinking will change that.

Galatians 5:4 must be understood from the context.
One cannot be saved by keeping only the law without Christ dieing, like I said before there is debt to be paid.

What gave us salvation is the death of Christ which we recieve by faith and not keeping the law.

His death gave us justification before God,


This thing is easy and simple to understand but your ego will not let you.

For example if a man is found guilty of a crime and was sentenced to death, and before his day of execution another man without a criminal record came forth and took the penalty of death on behalf of the man who was sentenced to death.
The first man was cleared of his guilty and was before the law justified.

We all know that the first man has be saved by grace becos he never earned it or worked for it by keeping the law rather he was guilty before the law.

From that point his criminal records has been wiped clean and he is a free man before the judge and law.

Let me ask you, is this free man expected to obey the law of the land or is he expected to break more of the law knowing what it cost, for him to gain his freedom.

it cost an innocent man's live inorder to set him free.

This is a typical example of the story of man's salvation.
Christ is the man that offered his life as a ransom inorder to save the life of the first man(humanity).

Why the first man is now free from the penalty of the law, he should in no way break the law again.

Please go and look for meaning of grace is obvious you and many others do not understand its meaning.

You are actually contradicting yourself, but you dont yet realise it.

At bolded summaries your confusion.
You claim one cant be saved by only keeping the law but at the same breath contradicted it.

You think I m actually going against the by no means, but instead I establish it.

Through the law of Christ the true intention of the law is fulfilled

You dont understand, through the law of faith we fulfill the 10 commandments, which in itself is just basic. There are about atleast 450 laws including the 10commandment, the only law that fulfills them all is the law of faith.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by livingchrist: 9:57pm On May 14, 2021
blueAgent:



You just post verses or state things without evidence.

The law of the spirit is the 10commandments it is not different.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Romans 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Carnal minded people do the things of the flesh not spirit.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.


Can you see that to be spiritual minded one has to be friend with the law of God.

Becos those who are carnally minded do things of the flesh and are enmity to the law of God.



James also expands on the
spiritual intent of the 10 Commandments. He called God’s law the royal law (James 2:cool. How is it a “royal law”? It is the law of the Kingdom of God, and Jesus Christ will return as King of Kings in that Kingdom(Revelation 19:16).
James also called it the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25; 2:12). James compares the law with a mirror (1:23-25). Just looking in the mirror—just knowing the perfect law of God—is not enough. We must use God’s help to make the changes in ourselves and show the love to others and God that the law shows us.

The law of the spirit is not the commandment.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

The law (including the 10 commandments) came through moses but grace and truth came through Jesus.

Hint the grace and truth is the law of the spirit and it is different from the commandments.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:57pm On May 14, 2021
blueAgent:


Yes the law is holy but not the Holy spirit.

At least you have Admitted that The Law is Holy, so I ask, is The Law not Spirit?
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by livingchrist: 10:18pm On May 14, 2021
blueAgent:


Now I get you, were all this crap is coming from, you believe in once saved forever saved.

What a false doctrine.

Was Adam and Eve not born of God?

Were Satan and Angel's not called the sons of God?
So why did they all sin?
Do you have any proof that Adam and eve were born of God?

To be son of God is a position, to be born of God is spiritual rebirth that takes place only through christ.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by livingchrist: 10:23pm On May 14, 2021
blueAgent:


Your ego will not let you see the truth.

I hate repeating myself.

I said the law cannot justify us before God becos we are all guilty before him.

It took the blood of Jesus for us to be credited righteous before God.

All our past sins and debt we owe to the law of God is blotted us by the reason of Christ's death.

But from the moment we accept that gift, we are subjected to the commandments of God, we are expected to obey Gods commandments as a demonstration of our love for God.

You mean after salvation, after having everlasting life, through the everlasting righteousness of God.

Yes we keep the law of Christ but this time around it is a law greater than the ten commandments, it is called the law of the spirit.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by Goshen360(m): 3:57pm On May 15, 2021
blueAgent:


The law was existing before mount Sinai.

How did Joseph knew that adueltry was a sin, How did God judge Sodom and Gomorrah if they had no knowledge of what God calls Sin?

Just like I proved in this thread only the knowledge of the law can help one to please God and abstain from Sin.

The psalmist disagree with you that we do not need the law.

Psalms 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.

Psalms 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Psalms 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

Psalms 119:150 They draw nigh that follow after mischief: they are far from thy law.

Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.


You're reading Genesis in isolation, study books like Romans or words of Jesus to understand what happened in Genesis. Sin was in the world before the law but sin wasn't imputed because there's no law to charge the sin with. So you can sin without breaking a law.....whatsoever is not of faith is sin too...leave the mosaic law alone sir, it wasn't written to you.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by livingchrist: 4:22pm On May 15, 2021
blueAgent:


Your ego will not let you see the truth.

I hate repeating myself.

I said the law cannot justify us before God becos we are all guilty before him.

It took the blood of Jesus for us to be credited righteous before God.

All our past sins and debt we owe to the law of God is blotted us by the reason of Christ's death.

But from the moment we accept that gift, we are subjected to the commandments of God, we are expected to obey Gods commandments as a demonstration of our love for God.

The law is good, but the mosaic law is completely fulfilled by the law of Christ, the law of Christ is love coupled with faith and holiness.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 8:28pm On May 15, 2021
livingchrist:
The law is good, but the mosaic law is completely fulfilled by the law of Christ, the law of Christ is love coupled with faith and holiness.

You are wrong.
1* the 10commandments are not the mosaic law.
They are 2 different laws one written by God himself the other written by Moses.
The 10commandments were placed inside the Ark of Convent showing their eternal nature.
While the Mosiac law was placed outside the Ark.

What Christ death fufilled was the sacrificial laws becos they were temporary and could not cleanse sin permanently.

Hebrews 9:13-10

The love of christ which you claim is the 10commandments,

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Ironically you wrote faith and holiness. The fact or truth is that one who has faith and love for God will obey God's commandments as a prove of their love for God.
In so doing the person becomes righteous



John 14:15-21
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 8:34pm On May 15, 2021
livingchrist:
The law is good, but the mosaic law is completely fulfilled by the law of Christ, the law of Christ is love coupled with faith and holiness.



Here is the difference between God's law and the Mosiac laws.

1. One is called the law of God and the other the law of Moses.
Ten - Isaiah 5:24 KJV
Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the Lord of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Moses - Luke 2:22 KJV
And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;

2. One is written on a book & the other on stone.
Ten-Exodus 31:18 KJV
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Moses -2 Chronicles 35:12 KJV
And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the Lord, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen.

3. One placed inside the ark and the outside the ark of the covenant.
Moses-Deuteronomy 31:26 KJV
Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Ten -Exodus 40:20 NIV
He took the tablets of the covenant law and placed them in the ark, attached the poles to the ark and put the atonement cover over it.

4. Ended on the cross and the other will last forever.
Moses -Romans 10:4 GNT
For Christ has brought the Law to an end, so that everyone who believes is put right with God.
Ten - Luke 16:17 GNT
But it is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the smallest detail of the Law to be done away with.
Psalm 119:151-152 GNT
But you are near to me, Lord, and all your commands are permanent. Long ago I learned about your instructions; you made them to last forever.

Secondly the Law of Christ which is love is the 10 commandments.

Christ himself equated one loving God and his neighbour to the 10 commandments.
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 8:35pm On May 15, 2021
livingchrist:
The law is good, but the mosaic law is completely fulfilled by the law of Christ, the law of Christ is love coupled with faith and holiness.

What Christ death fufilled or replaced was the sacrificial laws and system and not the 10 commandments becos they were imperfect.

Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 8:40pm On May 15, 2021
Goshen360:


You're reading Genesis in isolation, study books like Romans or words of Jesus to understand what happened in Genesis. Sin was in the world before the law but sin wasn't imputed because there's no law to charge the sin with. So you can sin without breaking a law.....whatsoever is not of faith is sin too...leave the mosaic law alone sir, it wasn't written to you.

Really?
Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Was it Nigerian law God was referring to here that Abraham obeyed?

Becos the law on mount Sinai happened more than 400years after Abraham had died.

Secondly, if Sin was not imputed , then why did God destroy Noah's generation and Sodom and Gomorrah? Since you claim they did not know the law.

Sin is transgression of the law
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:43pm On May 15, 2021
Goshen360:

... Sin was in the world before the law but sin wasn't imputed because there's no law to charge the sin with. So you can sin without breaking a law.....

So why was Adam, Eve Cain and the Old world Guilty?

Why was I and my colleague at Law able to draw out Adam and Eves Charges on that day The Court fell on them?

See https://www.nairaland.com/6319053/when-eve-charged-court-charges/5#101699805

Before man was, The Law! That's what John 1 and other scriptures tell you, which you would not see because you are not a Law'er!

The Law was Always there and has Always been there as the case of Abimelech vs. Abraham and Wife Clearly Prove!

Also, the case of Cain vs. Abel, Potiphar's Wife vs. Joseph etc.

Truespeak, budaatum what say you!
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 8:46pm On May 15, 2021
livingchrist:
You mean after salvation, after having everlasting life, through the everlasting righteousness of God.

Yes we keep the law of Christ but this time around it is a law greater than the ten commandments, it is called the law of the spirit.

No one has everlasting life, the only way to have everlasting life is to accept Jesus and to obey the Commandments of God.

You must do the 2 to be saved not one.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

The law of Christ is not different from the 10commandments neither is it greater.
They are one and the same.

Christ never came to give a new law or different rules.
Remember he came to do the will of his father and to establish his father's government on Earth.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:53pm On May 15, 2021
blueAgent:

Sin is transgression of the law.

grin Beautiful!

I love your Nigerian law counter grin

Sin Is ALWAYS ALWAYS AND AT ALL TIMES, A BREACH OF A CERTAIN LAW,!

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Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 8:55pm On May 15, 2021
livingchrist:
Do you have any proof that Adam and eve were born of God?

To be son of God is a position, to be born of God is spiritual rebirth that takes place only through christ.


Spiritual rebirth is not literal like one be reborn by God.
We are the sons of God the same way Adam and Eve ,Angel's are.


The bible emphasizes the fact that only those who keep the faith to the end will inherit eternal life.

This is because accepting christ does not mean one has secured Heaven neither does it
Entrust automatical capabilities above sin.

To secure Heaven one has to fight according to Paul the good fight till the end.
Rewards are given at the end, not at the beginning or middle.

Note this verses.

Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

James 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 8:55pm On May 15, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


At least you have Admitted that The Law is Holy, so I ask, is The Law not Spirit?

No it is not spirit.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:58pm On May 15, 2021
“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17

Jesus has perfectly fulfilled the law as a Jew If only you know the meaning of "FULFIL" but obviously you don't so keep whatever you believe to yourself! smiley

blueAgent:

All this one you are speaking is grammar.
God is clear those who keep his commandments are those who love him and will inherit eternal life. No where did God write principles or guide. Just as God was explicit and clear with Adam and Eve about eating the forbiddens fruit so also God is clear with humanity with regards to what he calls sin. For your information no where did Jesus say the law has passed away or it's time has passed.
Rather he said Heaven and Earth will pass away but one dot or T will never pass away from the law. Its Obvious Hean and Earth has not passed away so the law still holds. How you overlook clear Bible verse like this inorder to teach your false doctrine is beyond my imagination.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:01pm On May 15, 2021
blueAgent:


No it is not spirit.

Ah! You falled me, for you did not take cognizance of what Christ Expressly said

THE WORDS I have spoken to you Are SPIRIT and Life! John 6:63!
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:03pm On May 15, 2021
livingchrist:
The law of the spirit is not the commandment.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

The law (including the 10 commandments) came through moses but grace and truth came through Jesus.

Hint the grace and truth is the law of the spirit and it is different from the commandments.





Like I said before the word law in the bible does not necessarily mean the 10commandments.

You must understand the context in which the word law is used for you to know which law is been referred to.

The law of the spirit is still the 10commandments written in our hearts and obeyed by us through the empowerment of the Holyspirit.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:04pm On May 15, 2021
livingchrist:
The law of the spirit is not the commandment.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

The law (including the 10 commandments) came through moses but grace and truth came through Jesus.

Hint the grace and truth is the law of the spirit and it is different from the commandments.






Here is an explanation for that verse on the law of the spirit.

What is “the law of the Spirit of life” spoken about by Paul in Romans 8:2?

Romans 8:1-4 builds on what Paul discussed in the previous chapters, particularly the connection between the law, sin, and death. Romans 8:1-4 seems specifically to develop Romans 7:6, where the two ideas present in our passage are found: freedom from the law, sin, and death, and a new life in Christ (cf. Rom. 6:1-14).

Organization of Romans 8:1-4
Paul begins the discussion with a summary statement (verse 1) that is developed in the following verses. The primary emphasis will be on the lives of believers. Paul combines liberation through the “law of the Spirit of life” with the death of Jesus (verse 2). He literally says: “The law of the Spirit of life [the source of a new life] in/through Christ Jesus liberated you [singular; i.e. “the believer”] from the law of sin and of death.” What Christ did changes the lives of believers. This was necessary, for there was something the law could not do, but that was accomplished through Christ (verse 3). Paul explains both of these concepts to clarify the meaning of “the law of the Spirit of life liberated me from the law of sin and death.”

The Statement
“There is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus” (verse 1). The “now” indicates that the new has arrived, resolving the problem of the condemnation of the law associated by Paul with the trespass of Adam (Rom. 5:12, 17). Adam’s fall constituted humanity into an indistinguishable mass of sinners destined to death; but Christ came with liberating power. Those who are in Christ are free from the condemnation of death into new life. Paul explains how this happens.

The Law of the Spirit
In verse 2 Paul explains verse 1: “Because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life . . . [set me free] from the law of sin and death” (NIV). These two laws happen to be the same law viewed from two different perspectives: The law under the flesh leads to death, while the same law, under the power of the Spirit, leads to a new life. Christ delivers us from the cosmic powers of sin and death (justification), and the Spirit delivers us from the enslaving power of sin in our daily lives (sanctification). According to Paul, the law of God has been misused by sin, resulting in condemnation and death (Rom. 7:7-12). Humans misused it by seeking God’s acceptance through the works of the law, that is, “the law of sin and death.” The “law of the Spirit of life” is the same law connected to the Spirit, not to the flesh. There is a proper place for God’s law in the Christian life.

Law, Christ, and the Spirit
The problem, says Paul, was not the law itself but the weakness of the “flesh” (Rom. 8:3). Confronted with sin and death, the law was powerless because the flesh is hostile to God and cannot “submit to God’s law” (verse 7, NIV). The solution is the sacrificial death of the Son of God, who condemned sin in the flesh, liberating us from the condemnation of the law (verse 3), and enabling us to live in obedience to God’s will through the Spirit. Now the law is restored to its proper place and called “the law of the Spirit of life.” Christ died for us “in order that the righteous requirement of the law [the law of the Spirit of life] might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the [sinful nature] [seeking acceptance from God through the works of the law] but according to the Spirit” (verse 4, NIV). The weakness of the flesh is overcome, and the Spirit enables us to obey the righteous requirements of God’s law.


https://www.adventistworld.org/the-law-of-the-spirit-of-life/
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:09pm On May 15, 2021
livingchrist:

You are actually contradicting yourself, but you dont yet realise it.

At bolded summaries your confusion.
You claim one cant be saved by only keeping the law but at the same breath contradicted it.

You think I m actually going against the by no means, but instead I establish it.

Through the law of Christ the true intention of the law is fulfilled

You dont understand, through the law of faith we fulfill the 10 commandments, which in itself is just basic. There are about atleast 450 laws including the 10commandment, the only law that fulfills them all is the law of faith.

I can stop laughing.

What does the law of faith entails?

Show me were in the Bible God wrote that you need just faith without obedience to his law or commandments for you to get into Heaven?
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:21pm On May 15, 2021
livingchrist:

You are actually contradicting yourself, but you dont yet realise it.

At bolded summaries your confusion.
You claim one cant be saved by only keeping the law but at the same breath contradicted it.

You think I m actually going against the by no means, but instead I establish it.

Through the law of Christ the true intention of the law is fulfilled

You dont understand, through the law of faith we fulfill the 10 commandments, which in itself is just basic. There are about atleast 450 laws including the 10commandment, the only law that fulfills them all is the law of faith.

You are the one contradicting yourself.

I said keeping the law alone cannot save one, becos we have all sinned and are guilty before God hence we are eligible for death penalty which is the wages of sin.

But when Christ came and died for us, he settled that debt which we owe the law.
Which makes us not guilty before the law of God.
But now we are saved from the penalty of the law which is death through christ .
We need to wholeheartedly obey the commandments of God as a show of our love for God and to earn eternal life.

The summary is that both need to occur for us to be saved.

1. Christ had to die to pay our debt.

2 .we need to accept Christ sacrifice by faith and to obey the commandments inorder to gain eternal life.

If you accept Christ without obeying God's commandments you are like someone with faith without works.
Secondly if you keep all the commandments and Christ did not die for you, you will still not make Heaven becos the debt has still not been paid.

If you don't understand this simple explanation than check yourself.
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:21pm On May 15, 2021
blueAgent:


I can stop laughing.

What does the law of faith entails?

See his mistakes! He Always tries to explain himself yet he ends up saying LAW.

First, he said "LAW of the spirit", now, it is the LAW of faith! grin

No man is outside The Law and can be Outside The Law, every Tongue must Confess the Truth that They are Always within The Mighty Hands of The LAW! grin

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Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:22pm On May 15, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


Ah! You falled me, for you did not take cognizance of what Christ Expressly said

THE WORDS I have spoken to you Are SPIRIT and Life! John 6:63!

True
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:26pm On May 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17

Jesus has perfectly fulfilled the law as a Jew If only you know the meaning of "FULFIL" but obviously you don't so keep whatever you believe to yourself! smiley


What a lame explanation.

Here is the true explanation of that verse.


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Jesus Did Not Abolish the Law By Fulfilling It.
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“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:17-19 NKJV

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Occasionally, while giving Bible studies, I will hear someone say, “Once Jesus fulfilled the commandments He did away with them. He fulfilled them so we don’t have to.” Well, let’s take a look at that. Does fulfill mean to do away with? My Websters Dictionary tells me that fulfill means to “carry out.” I don’t think carrying something out and abolishing it can be the same definition. My Roget’s Thesaurus tells me fulfill is the same as “pleasing or sufficing.” I don’t think that to “please or suffice” means “to abolish.”

Now that we have looked at Roget and Webster’s definition of the word fulfill, let’s see how the Scriptures use that word. How did Matthew himself use that word?

Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?” But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him. Matthew 3:13-14 NKJV

So Jesus fulfilled the rite of baptism. Did He abolish it after He fulfilled it? No, of course not. Matthew, the same writer who tells us Jesus fulfilled the rite of baptism also records Jesus’ command,

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit… Matthew 28:19 NKJV

So Jesus did not abolish baptism when He fulfilled that rite, but rather set an example for us to follow. Likewise, Jesus did not abolish the law by fulfilling it, but rather gave us an example to follow.

For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:3-4 NKJV

The good news according to Romans 8:3-4 is that when the Holy Spirit comes into our hearts, He not only fulfills the law for us but also fulfills it in us. It is not us doing the work, but the Holy Spirit who is working in us, fulfilling and writing the law of love on our hearts.

The rite of baptism “fulfills all righteousness” as I die to self and rise again, born of the Holy Spirit who now fulfills the law of love in me.

Amen!
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:28pm On May 15, 2021
blueAgent:


True

Therefore, you can see now that The Law is "Holy" as you Admitted and "Spirit" as you have now confirmed therefore, one can Truly say that The Law is "Holy Spirit"!
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:38pm On May 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17

Jesus has perfectly fulfilled the law as a Jew If only you know the meaning of "FULFIL" but obviously you don't so keep whatever you believe to yourself! smiley


https://lifehopeandtruth.com/change/christian-conversion/the-sermon-on-the-mount/jesus-and-the-law/jesus-fulfilled-the-law/
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:53pm On May 15, 2021
I don't do this.
If your explanation is not sound enough then i'm not interested in further links.
Do i (Maximus) still need the Ten commandments?
My response is "NO, all i need is Jesus and the gospel"
But if you still need the ten commandments then good for you, no wahala! smiley

blueAgent:

https://lifehopeandtruth.com/change/christian-conversion/the-sermon-on-the-mount/jesus-and-the-law/jesus-fulfilled-the-law/
Re: The Law Of God And Righteousness, Do We Still Need The 10 Commandments? by livingchrist: 1:40pm On May 16, 2021
blueAgent:


You are wrong.
[1* the 10commandments are not the mosaic law.
They are 2 different laws one written by God himself the other written by Moses.
The 10commandments were placed inside the Ark of Convent showing their eternal nature.
While the Mosiac law was placed outside the Ark.
where is it written in the bible that the law of moses is not the law of God?

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

@bolded, 'The law' is all inclusive, any law that came through moses is called the law of moses.



What Christ death fufilled was the sacrificial laws becos they were temporary and could not cleanse sin permanently.

Hebrews 9:13-10

The love of christ which you claim is the 10commandments,

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Ironically you wrote faith and holiness. The fact or truth is that one who has faith and love for God will obey God's commandments as a prove of their love for God.
In so doing the person becomes righteous



John 14:15-21
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

You dont know what you typed,
Was it the ten commandment that sets free or the law of christ?

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

You and Detruthspeak, are confused together,


Paul said if there was a law that could give life, then righteousness could have being by the law.

Mind you including the ten commandment, which means the ten commandment could not give life hence christ has to come, therefore the ten commandment is not the law of life because the ten commandment cannot give life.

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

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