MaxInDHouse:


Reports you said so you can't expect a JW to testify against such a person when only what we have is REPORT not what we saw!

That's the reason behind all the accusations you've been hearing all these while. People like you feel a JW should testify against fellow JWs in court when we aren't eyewitnesses!

Lemme break it down cos I see you're playing an ostrich.
A particular JW has been accused of mol@station several times by minors, and is reported to the elders. But there are no eye witness. Now he is accused one more time, and this time the case is before the authorities. Now during police investigation ,the elders are asked if the accused has been accused of such crimes before. But they deny it(or refuse to comment)
What do you think is the problem in the above scenario?

Lawag3:


You should know that Parthenogenesis is impossible in humans a human child needs half chromosomes from both his parents to be human

And in Parthenogenesis sperm doesn't fertilize sperm an unfertilized egg only develop into an embryo and it only happens to lower life forms it can't happen among mammals.

So my point still stands since sperm can't fertilize sperm Homosexuality is unnatural.

1. You're now shifting the goalpost, you didn't mention mammals or humans, you're talking about fertilization without sperm. Now you have been caught by the balls, you're recanting dishonestly
2. Actually parthenogenesis happens in humans
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14819982-300-the-boy-whose-blood-has-no-father/
… and mammals
https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/parthenogenesis-has-been-achieved-in-mammals-for-the-first-time

So you need to get your shit right

Lawag3:


I never said that male and female animals can't reproduce. asexual organisms also reproduce using the male and female gametes not male and male or female and female gametes.

I'm talking all-male or all-female species. That is a species that comprises of only females, giving birth to new offsprings like that New Mexico whiptail lizards

Lawag3:


I know that. You know what I also know is that these possibilities might just remain possibilities not reality.

They have been successful.
I'm sure you know of Dolly the sheep. Read her up
There has been other successes since then

Lawag3:


Yeah but the science isn't stable yet still got a long way to go before it is main stream

It is actually mainstream. Its the same tech we used in producing cloned animals and cloned meat, which is sold in fast food outlets for years. The problem is ethical and religious issues raised by governing bodies and religious bodies, who feel humans are playing god.
This stem cell tech can also help us defeat plaguing diseases like sickle cell, diabetes etc

Lawag3:


I don't know where this question is leading to but do you believe that genetic engineering is unnatural that is tempering with the natural order changing some characteristics that normally will be there improving a characteristic. Nature has a way of doing things sometimes it isn't what we humans want so we temper with it change it to suit our taste. So to your question I have never thought it to be unnatural but I do know some bananas are forced to ripe before their due date others are injected to make them grow bigger.

That's not what he's saying

Lawag3:


I never said homosexuals were bad anybody can be bad gay or straight homosexuality is what I have a problem with it's unnatural and it doesn't add to society it takes from it.

What do you mean homosexuality is unnatural and what does it take from the society?

Lawag3:


Homosexual can't reproduce so the workforce of a country reduced

Many diseases spread among homosexuals

Although you might not believe it but there are spiritual repercussions

Homosexuality is always a precursor to the death of a civilization

1. When Africa was replete with homosexuals, did our workforce reduce?
2. There's no specific disease that is spread through homosexuality, and in fact, lesbians spread STDs less than their straight counterparts
3. And no, I don't believe in spiritual. Its a huge pile of bullshit and you know it
4. Civilizations thrived with homosexuals, in fact we had homosexual kings in Africa
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE INTERFACING WITH ME

Lawag3:


Right now yeah we are increasing but wait till homosexuality is now in a majority it may soon be that way because the LGBTQ society are trying to indoctrinated children through movies and books

You know that some disease spread more quickly among homosexuals

In history civilizations like Rome the Greeks you might say homosexuality wasn't the cause of their downfall. Well you're right physically it wasn't spiritually it was. Like in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah the people didn't know that spiritually they have been mark for destruction physically it could have been a meteorite that wipe them out but it still doesn't change the fact that Thier destruction has be decided spiritually the spiritual controls the physical

1. Define 'indoctrination'? Now apply it to your narrative and see if it makes sense. Remember they are not telling the kids to be gay. They are simply telling them not to be homophobic ie don't attack or kill any homos. That's all. Go ahead and be straight but leave the gays alone
2. Are lesbians homosexuals too? If so, what disease spread quickly amongst them?
3. If you're gonna talk spiritual bullshit (that cannot be ascertained or confirmed), please check the next landfill. Thank you

jaephoenix:

1. Define 'indoctrination'? Now apply it to your narrative and see if it makes sense. Remember they are not telling the kids to be gay. They are simply telling them not to be homophobic ie don't attack or kill any homos. That's all. Go ahead and be straight but leave the gays alone
2. Are lesbians homosexuals too? If so, what disease spread quickly amongst them?
3. If you're gonna talk spiritual bullshit (that cannot be ascertained or confirmed), please check the next landfill. Thank you

Christians are not telling anyone to kill gays what we are saying is do not go around telling people it's ok to be gay because it's not. You guys tell young kids that is ok to be gay let kids be kids .

When I use the word homosexuals I refer to gays and lesbians. And yes some disease do spread among them one of it is BV bacteria vaginosis or something like that

I do not wish to argue spirituality with you but as a Christian I worship a God who speaks and to me that is enough to prove he is real .

jaephoenix:

1. When Africa was replete with homosexuals, did our workforce reduce?
2. There's no specific disease that is spread through homosexuality, and in fact, lesbians spread STDs less than their straight counterparts
3. And no, I don't believe in spiritual. Its a huge pile of bullshit and you know it
4. Civilizations thrived with homosexuals, in fact we had homosexual kings in Africa
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE INTERFACING WITH ME

Ok Mr facts educate me on Africa's homosexual history

LordReed:


So what do you think should be done to homosexuals since you think they represent so much harm.

Because their definition of spirituality doesn't include mumbo jumbo.

Nothing it's their choice to be who they are.

To my God it's a sin to many human laws it isn't a crime so I believe God will judge them but I can't and i don't believe that they should be killed or punished even the bible says that since the downfall of man, he has be rewired to go against the laws of God sin is in every one of us . So now it takes the grace of God and a conscious effort to rewire yourself the way God wants us to be. What I'm against is them forcing their views on people on little kids.

Lawag3:


Nothing it's their choice to be who they are.

To my God it's a sin to many human laws it isn't a crime so I believe God will judge them but I can't and i don't believe that they should be killed or punished even the bible says that since the downfall of man, he has be rewired to go against the laws of God sin is in every one of us . So now it takes the grace of God and a conscious effort to rewire yourself the way God wants us to be. What I'm against is them forcing their views on people on little kids.

Ok at least you are not looking to harm them, I can live with that.

As for them forcing anything, how are they forcing people or little kids?

jaephoenix:

1. You're now shifting the goalpost, you didn't mention mammals or humans, you're talking about fertilization without sperm. Now you have been caught by the balls, you're recanting dishonestly
2. Actually parthenogenesis happens in humans
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14819982-300-the-boy-whose-blood-has-no-father/
… and mammals
https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/parthenogenesis-has-been-achieved-in-mammals-for-the-first-time

So you need to get your shit right

Nope you need to get your shit right. I remember me telling you that gay relationship is unnatural in humans. Anytime I argue homosexuality I love to keep it within a human point of view and I also remember me telling you that a human child needs half of his chromosomes from both parents

So how was I being dishonest

jaephoenix:

1. You're now shifting the goalpost, you didn't mention mammals or humans, you're talking about fertilization without sperm. Now you have been caught by the balls, you're recanting dishonestly
2. Actually parthenogenesis happens in humans
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14819982-300-the-boy-whose-blood-has-no-father/
… and mammals
https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/parthenogenesis-has-been-achieved-in-mammals-for-the-first-time

So you need to get your shit right

From your links the boy FD isn't born of full Parthenogenesis he was still fertilize by a sperm.

Now the question is if FD's mum had not had sex would FD have been born to me no many complications would have come up I don't even think that he would have become an embryo. And I know Parthenogenesis happens in humans. Well it happened in the bible Mary's virgin birth it was permitted by God made possible by the holy spirit on male sperm involved.

Not all Experiments that worked in mice worked in humans. Even your link proved many of my points like Parthenogenesis does not happen naturally in mammals, and previous attempts ran into DNA glitches. Because mammalian conception needs genes that can only come from a male parent, it also agreed that in mammals, parthenogenesis is limited because of problems arising from genomic imprinting,”
although all this can be solved it can only be solved when the research team solved that by editing certain female genes with CRISPR until they were the same as if they had come from a male.

Still prove my point that all this doesn't happen naturally they have to be edited changed by humans to fit what they want.

LordReed:


Ok at least you are not looking to harm them, I can live with that.

As for them forcing anything, how are they forcing people or little kids?

One thing they should understand is that all their gay parade does them more harm than good first it makes some kind of people uncomfortable some of these people have a self righteous mentality and a self righteous person without Christ is dangerous and that's what makes people kill all in the name of religion I see no good reason for their parades because if heterosexuals go about marching and accept my relationship or I tag you as an heterophobic person or they get flags that there want to hang everywhere or go to churches or religious places telling them to accept what their religions forbid in Christianity we accept the person but not the sin when Jesus was on earth he surrounded himself with bad people because according to him those were the people he came to die for.

They force their self to be represented in movies children animations and books in the US they are trying to get the law to approve gender changing surgeries for children telling them they can be what ever they want to be .

They also attempt to silence the voice of anyone that doesn't agree with them they want to be heard but they won't let people who they believe don't agree with them be heard.
If you want people to respect your rights leave the streets go to courts . Although the court can't force people to respect you at least you have protection against them let kids be kids when they grow they can decide their preferences you can move with your gay partner on the street but don't hold a parade on the street with your flags many people will interpret it as you shoving your opinion down Their throat it isn't save for you

Lawag3:


One thing they should understand is that all their gay parade does them more harm than good first it makes some kind of people uncomfortable some of these people have a self righteous mentality and a self righteous person without Christ is dangerous and that's what makes people kill all in the name of religion I see no good reason for their parades because if heterosexuals go about marching and accept my relationship or I tag you as an heterophobic person or they get flags that there want to hang everywhere or go to churches or religious places telling them to accept what their religions forbid in Christianity we accept the person but not the sin when Jesus was on earth he surrounded himself with bad people because according to him those were the people he came to die for.

They force their self to be represented in movies children animations and books in the US they are trying to get the law to approve gender changing surgeries for children telling them they can be what ever they want to be .

They also attempt to silence the voice of anyone that doesn't agree with them they want to be heard but they won't let people who they believe don't agree with them be heard.
If you want people to respect your rights leave the streets go to courts . Although the court can't force people to respect you at least you have protection against them let kids be kids when they grow they can decide their preferences you can move with your gay partner on the street but don't hold a parade on the street with your flags many people will interpret it as you shoving your opinion down Their throat it isn't save for you

So when Christians go around preaching or when people watch someone portraying a Christian in a movie or cartoon Christians are forcing others to become Christian?

LordReed:


So when Christians go around preaching or when people watch someone portraying a Christian in a movie or cartoon Christians are forcing others to become Christian?

Christians preach because that's is what we are told to do spread the good news Christianity is a religious beliefs not a sexual preference they are two different things so they are not the same still I get your point but you know that that's not the only thing I said what about he other ones

Lawag3:


Christians preach because that's is what we are told to do spread the good news Christianity is a religious beliefs not a sexual preference they are two different things so they are not the same still I get your point but you know that that's not the only thing I said what about he other ones

So it's OK for Christians to force their beliefs on others but not homosexuals because it is sexual. Yet you say you don't discriminate. This right here is the definition of discrimination. If Christians are allowed to go on the streets to preach then so are homosexuals. You don't get to look down on homosexuals for displaying their pride flags while giving Christians a pass for doing the very same thing. Don't be a hypocrite.

LordReed:


So it's OK for Christians to force their beliefs on others but not homosexuals because it is sexual. Yet you say you don't discriminate. This right here is the definition of discrimination. If Christians are allowed to go on the streets to preach then so are homosexuals. You don't get to look down on homosexuals for displaying their pride flags while giving Christians a pass for doing the very same thing. Don't be a hypocrite.

Which of your family members have forced their beliefs on you?

LordReed:


So it's OK for Christians to force their beliefs on others but not homosexuals because it is sexual. Yet you say you don't discriminate. This right here is the definition of discrimination. If Christians are allowed to go on the streets to preach then so are homosexuals. You don't get to look down on homosexuals for displaying their pride flags while giving Christians a pass for doing the very same thing. Don't be a hypocrite.

Like I Said it's not the same thing maybe we should allow pedophiles carry flags and preach pedophilia it's a sexual preference or we should allow people who sleep with dogs to come out and preach it we should also allow people who prefer sex with the Dead to pick up Their flag and preach it. Like I said Christianity is not a sexual preference. Why should people know who and what you Bleep why should you come out with flags to announce it . Let me tell you why because you know it's not accepted but you want to rub it in their faces.

There are other points I made what about those ones

Lawag3:


Like I Said it's not the same thing maybe we should allow pedophiles carry flags and preach pedophilia it's a sexual preference or we should allow people who sleep with dogs to come out and preach it we should also allow people who prefer sex with the Dead to pick up Their flag and preach it. Like I said Christianity is not a sexual preference. Why should people know who and what you Bleep why should you come out with flags to announce it . Let me tell you why because you know it's not accepted but you want to rub it in their faces.

There are other points I made what about those ones

Yes because raping a child is the same thing as 2 consenting adults having sex. Raping a corpse is the same as 2 consenting adults having sex. Do you even hear yourself?

Why should you come out and preach to people nobody wants to know what religion you practise, why don't you keep it to yourself.

What other point did you make? The disease one? I asked you if you as African should be discriminated against since you pose a risk by being more susceptible but you ran away from that so what other point did you make?

LordReed:


Yes because raping a child is the same thing as 2 consenting adults having sex. Raping a corpse is the same as 2 consenting adults having sex. Do you even hear yourself?

Why should you come out and preach to people nobody wants to know what religion you practise, why don't you keep it to yourself.

What other point did you make? The disease one? I asked you if you as African should be discriminated against since you pose a risk by being more susceptible but you ran away from that so what other point did you make?

So When I compare those kind of sexual preferences to homosexuality that's when you remember that two consenting adults having sex is different ?

But according to you two consenting adults having sex is the same with Christianity so they should be allowed to do what Christianity does. Christianity doesn't want children to undertake gender changing surgeries Christianity doesn't permits anyone to go about calling anyone that doesn't agree with our views Christianphobic and these are the points I was talking about

They also attempt to silence the voice of anyone that doesn't agree with them they want to be heard but they won't let people who they believe don't agree with them be heard.
in the US they are trying to get the law to approve gender changing surgeries for children telling them they can be what ever they want to be

Lawag3:


So When I compare those kind of sexual preferences to homosexuality that's when you remember that two consenting adults having sex is different ?

But according to you two consenting adults having sex is the same with Christianity so they should be allowed to do what Christianity does. Christianity doesn't want children to undertake gender changing surgeries Christianity doesn't permits anyone to go about calling anyone that doesn't agree with our views Christianphobic and these are the points I was talking about

They also attempt to silence the voice of anyone that doesn't agree with them they want to be heard but they won't let people who they believe don't agree with them be heard.
in the US they are trying to get the law to approve gender changing surgeries for children telling them they can be what ever they want to be

Huh? What are you talking about? You are the one making the unnecessary comparisons. I've always maintained that they are consenting adults who should be left alone.

Always diverting to other things. What has your transphobia got to do with homosexuality?

If you as a Christian are free to broadcast your religion which is a private matter why do you want homosexuals to be silent? Either everybody is silent or we all have the same freedoms.

Whose voice did homosexuals silence? Is it the voice of the mega pastors who have millions of followers on SM and TV or is it the voice of the Republican law makers making anti LGBTQ laws, whose voice is being silenced tell me.

LordReed:


Huh? What are you talking about? You are the one making the unnecessary comparisons. I've always maintained that they are consenting adults who should be left alone.

Always diverting to other things. What has your transphobia got to do with homosexuality?

If you as a Christian are free to broadcast your religion which is a private matter why do you want homosexuals to be silent? Either everybody is silent or we all have the same freedoms.

Whose voice did homosexuals silence? Is it the voice of the mega pastors who have millions of followers on SM and TV or is it the voice of the Republican law makers making anti LGBTQ laws, whose voice is being silenced tell me.

You know what bro it was nice talking to you I don't know if you are gay but if you are I pray you are healed before it's too late God bless you.

Lawag3:


Christians are not telling anyone to kill gays what we are saying is do not go around telling people it's ok to be gay because it's not. You guys tell young kids that is ok to be gay let kids be kids .

When I use the word homosexuals I refer to gays and lesbians. And yes some disease do spread among them one of it is BV bacteria vaginosis or something like that

I do not wish to argue spirituality with you but as a Christian I worship a God who speaks and to me that is enough to prove he is real .

1. Actually christians kill gays, I'm sure if you have been in Nairaland for 3 years, you would have seen the news, or check online. In fact, murderous homophobia is what you eagerly share in common with Muslims. And that is precisely what LGBTQ is against. Although I don't agree with all LGBTQ agenda but I agree with their 'leave gays alone'
2. Lol. Bacterial Vaginosis is spread only in heterosexual intercourse, unless the lesbians share dildos. But penetrative sex is about 5% of lez sex and 99% of heterosexual sex. Talk another lie
3. If I tell you to prove your god is real, that would be derailing this thread. But we can take it up if you choose

Lawag3:


Ok Mr facts educate me on Africa's homosexual history

African history is replete with examples of both erotic and nonerotic same-sex relationships. For example, the ancient cave paintings of the San people near Guruve in Zimbabwe depict two men engaged in some form of ritual sex. During precolonial times, the “mudoko dako,” or effeminate males among the Langi of northern Uganda were treated as women and could marry men. In Buganda, one of the largest traditional kingdoms in Uganda, it was an open secret that Kabaka (king) Mwanga II, who ruled in the latter half of the 19th century, was gay. Also in ancient Egypt, paintings of homosexual males predated the pyramids
You can read up more online

Lawag3:


Nothing it's their choice to be who they are.

To my God it's a sin to many human laws it isn't a crime so I believe God will judge them but I can't and i don't believe that they should be killed or punished even the bible says that since the downfall of man, he has be rewired to go against the laws of God sin is in every one of us . So now it takes the grace of God and a conscious effort to rewire yourself the way God wants us to be. What I'm against is them forcing their views on people on little kids.

Can you explain this 'forcing' that has been a recurrence theme here which none of you can explain

Lawag3:


Nope you need to get your shit right. I remember me telling you that gay relationship is unnatural in humans. Anytime I argue homosexuality I love to keep it within a human point of view and I also remember me telling you that a human child needs half of his chromosomes from both parents

So how was I being dishonest

Let me let that slide.
So what or who determines what is natural in humans?

Lawag3:


From your links the boy FD isn't born of full Parthenogenesis he was still fertilize by a sperm.

Now the question is if FD's mum had not had sex would FD have been born to me no many complications would have come up I don't even think that he would have become an embryo. And I know Parthenogenesis happens in humans. Well it happened in the bible Mary's virgin birth it was permitted by God made possible by the holy spirit on male sperm involved.

Not all Experiments that worked in mice worked in humans. Even your link proved many of my points like Parthenogenesis does not happen naturally in mammals, and previous attempts ran into DNA glitches. Because mammalian conception needs genes that can only come from a male parent, it also agreed that in mammals, parthenogenesis is limited because of problems arising from genomic imprinting,”
although all this can be solved it can only be solved when the research team solved that by editing certain female genes with CRISPR until they were the same as if they had come from a male.

Still prove my point that all this doesn't happen naturally they have to be edited changed by humans to fit what they want.

This is what you said.

You should know that Parthenogenesis is impossible in humans a human child needs half chromosomes from both his parents to be human

And in Parthenogenesis sperm doesn't fertilize sperm an unfertilized egg only develop into an embryo and it only happens to lower life forms it can't happen among mammals.

So my point still stands since sperm can't fertilize sperm Homosexuality is unnatural.

As you can see, its not impossible

Lawag3:


One thing they should understand is that all their gay parade does them more harm than good first it makes some kind of people uncomfortable some of these people have a self righteous mentality and a self righteous person without Christ is dangerous and that's what makes people kill all in the name of religion I see no good reason for their parades because if heterosexuals go about marching and accept my relationship or I tag you as an heterophobic person or they get flags that there want to hang everywhere or go to churches or religious places telling them to accept what their religions forbid in Christianity we accept the person but not the sin when Jesus was on earth he surrounded himself with bad people because according to him those were the people he came to die for.

They force their self to be represented in movies children animations and books in the US they are trying to get the law to approve gender changing surgeries for children telling them they can be what ever they want to be .

They also attempt to silence the voice of anyone that doesn't agree with them they want to be heard but they won't let people who they believe don't agree with them be heard.
If you want people to respect your rights leave the streets go to courts . Although the court can't force people to respect you at least you have protection against them let kids be kids when they grow they can decide their preferences you can move with your gay partner on the street but don't hold a parade on the street with your flags many people will interpret it as you shoving your opinion down Their throat it isn't save for you

At the bolded, I'm sure you made some beautiful points in that paragraph, but due to lack of punctuations and full stops, I couldn't understand. Can you please rephrase


I'm sure you have seen parades of Cele, Cherubim etc. Some even block roads when they are doing their ceremonies, thereby constituting some public nuisance. I remember many times I have to reverse because some fruitcake denominations decide I shouldn't have the right of way because they are having some celebrations. The other day Chosen folks, in their eternal wisdom decided to cause traffic for hours because they are having a crusade. Just yesterday, I nearly crushed some cretarded souls that decided they need to be sweeping the road(I hear they sweep out their problems by doing that) by 11pm in a major road, with no illumination vests.
Sorry for deviating, but with all those parades etc did you get converted to their denominations. Did you harrass them for forcing their denominations on you? Do you harrass JW and other evangelicals for forcing themselves on you by knocking on your door, even though you don't subscribe to their beliefs? I dont think so
So there goes your double standards

Lawag3:


You know what bro it was nice talking to you I don't know if you are gay but if you are I pray you are healed before it's too late God bless you.

LoLz! Yeah I am gay because I asked you to consider how you think about gay people. Bwahahahahaha!