₦airaland Forum

Rukevwe999:
One reason I don't have an enthusiasm to japa at the moment is because of my personal values and my view of life, work, and the world. If i want to japa, i do so because there things about the country i personally admire about the place I'm immigrating to, like language and culture, and suits my person. I don't believe in migrating out of the country for survival means except in periods of political insurgency, war, and natural disaster.

Everywhere is fukked, there's no Utopia anywhere, even in the so called USA and Canada where people see as heaven, unspeakable things happen to people over there. You'll go online and see their citizens complaining bitterly about the state of their nation. Some Americans even believe that there is an incoming civil war and advice leaving the country. When you look at all the paranoia in the West it makes you ponder. You look at Nigeria despite how messed up the system is, we're still better than many countries in the world - by a far margin.

I believe in living life with meaning and purpose, if you can't live a meaningful life in Nigeria, you can't have one in another land which has a different culture. If you go to a "greener pasture" with the purpose of mere survival soon it would turn brown. Nigeria can be fixed, every great nation has had it's fair share of bad leaders and economic meltdown, and they fixed it. Nigeria can be fixed. I believe that many problems in Nigeria are interpersonal and has it's roots in our culture and family systems .

Profgordons:
If I may ask, what is Nigerian culture?

faceland:
Better to pay ransom to kidnappers (after rapping mother, wife and daughters) than japa.

omoadeleye:
I love my country and e dey pain me that i never know what to do to make it better and i don't want to spend my life blaming the government on everything.

Rukevwe999:
OK perhaps I was generalising. To talk about Nigeria sometimes you have to be specific about what part of Nigeria you're referring to, eg North, west or South. But in our modern age culture spreads, and by culture I don't mean the ones passed on to us by ancestors, I mean certain environments, social norms and values that make up these cultures. Sometimes to understand a culture we have to understand the mindset and values of the society practicing it. There are certain trends and way of behavior and mindset you'll see among different citizens of the country, and some of them are not good.
For example we have a materialistic culture, our societies have a damn obsession for money and prestige. We are so easy to bribe and emotionally sway with money. In the south we love enjoyment, sex and splendor, this desire combined with poverty triggers our endless love for money. Even our love for God is connected to money and materialism. I've observed that in societies where piety and simple living is not recognized, money becomes a god, and thus poverty prevails, and corruption thrives where there is poverty. Haven't you ever wondered why in poor environments songs about money and sex sells well?

Alphamentips:
No be comfort zone matter. Na 10 to 20 meter matter

Gerrard59:
Those making dollars while in Nigeria have no reason to japa.

An instance is the children/close relatives of cocoa farmers and exporters. If I see any such person japa, I will ask hard questions.

dannyspeejay:
Dollar is 1650, we d!e together on the Agbado Mandate

Jennysplash:
Please my Canada work visa got denied 19th January even though it was LMIA approved job I got through an agency. Please I need advice and help of when and how to re-apply but this time using the student route. This are the reasons the officer gave:
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as required by
paragraph 200(1)(b) of the IRPR (https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/
section-200.html). I am refusing your application because you have not established that you will
leave Canada, based on the following factors:
• The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the
details you have provided in your application.
• You were not able to demonstrate that you will be able to adequately perform the work you seek.
This is my first time ever applying for any visa in my life and this agency ruined my first chance because am beginning to doubt if the job was real because I submitted all they asked me to.

online4business:
You probably don't have the means to leave Nigeria that's why you think this way.

Show me any politicians nnpc group director army navy or airforce top brass with kids without dual citizenship.

Even your obi atiku and tinubu all have don't decieve yourself;

All people with mean all their children sr dual citizenship.

I've traveled to Cyprus on a phantom student visa saw the charade and left.

However, I've traveled almost all states in Nigeria and many west African countries.

Let me ask you a question I'd ask myself before I became a Ugandan citizen.

Do you what your kids to experience what you're going through?

Smell the coffee things will only get worse and life is too easy to suffer for anyone.

The majority of Nigerians like suffering how can you explain tinubu and buhari ruling Nigeria.

Get out now why you can; it's about to get ugly like omobaba's face.

If you'd even travel please be open to learn a new language.

People find it hard to cope but with small money and a few favours you can overcome.

Please avoid coming to foreign country to show off no body really cares... Way different living in Nigeria compare to other African nations.

Profgordons:
I am struggling to find your values here that wants to make you stay.

pansophist:
When people say there is enjoyment in nigeria, it's about the communality, food, being the default, lack of civic responsibilitiee, and "freedom in chaos" such as hook up, bribery, abusing others ( eg sales girl, house boy) etc

Apart from these, I don't know exactly how Nigeria is fun. If one have adapted to their new home, it's far better fun than what's obtainable in naija

How can you enjoy a place with no light, dirty beaches that's not free, no free museum, architecture, library, etc?

And a preventable situation such as bad roads, dumb police officers and bad medical care can kill you in an instant?

Also, your money can only go far in a functioning society. It takes me about 20euros to fly from Amsterdam to the Spanish islands in Africa (Gran Canaria) , but can same amount take you from Lagos to Abuja by flight?

If I dump you in the desert with a million usd suitcase, your money becomee useless, just because the desert can't convert your cash to value.

It's the same thing with being wealthy in Nigeria. Hopefully the drugs you bought for headache is not fake. Imagine paying for your death.

So no, there is no enjoyment in a dysfunctional system. Just that human natures will adapt to bad situations and create fun in it. Just as the kids in the ghetto are having fun, but it's not good life.

ikorodureporta:
Despite the jappa tide flowing allover, there are some people who don't have jappa in their agenda even though they are not doing well...
Some reasons may include weather, culture, food, caring for loved ones here, lack of strict laws here, etc.
They've decided to remain in their "comfort zone"...

Are you one of dem

Rukevwe999:
Well, that's your own perspective. Our values and perspectives have a way of determining how we want to live our lives. It influences our religious believes, what kind of career we have, our work ethics, our relationship with people, and even who we marry. Perhaps you see things from the perspective of total survivalism, I don't.
You may be right, I I don't have the means to leave, but what can I do? I won't fold up and see myself as a victim of a certain nation. I will have to somehow make things good for myself and my people, pursue a higher purpose, and be grateful that I'm at least in a better state than many. I may leave eventually, but with a clear sense of purpose and meaning.

ikorodureporta:
Despite the jappa tide flowing allover, there are some people who don't have jappa in their agenda even though they are not doing well...
Some reasons may include weather, culture, food, caring for loved ones here, lack of strict laws here, etc.
They've decided to remain in their "comfort zone"...

Are you one of dem

pansophist:
When people say there is enjoyment in nigeria, it's about the communality, food, being the default, lack of civic responsibilitiee, and "freedom in chaos" such as hook up, bribery, abusing others ( eg sales girl, house boy) etc

Apart from these, I don't know exactly how Nigeria is fun. If one have adapted to their new home, it's far better fun than what's obtainable in naija

How can you enjoy a place with no light, dirty beaches that's not free, no free museum, architecture, library, etc?

And a preventable situation such as bad roads, dumb police officers and bad medical care can kill you in an instant?

Also, your money can only go far in a functioning society. It takes me about 20euros to fly from Amsterdam to the Spanish islands in Africa (Gran Canaria) , but can same amount take you from Lagos to Abuja by flight?

If I dump you in the desert with a million usd suitcase, your money becomee useless, just because the desert can't convert your cash to value.

It's the same thing with being wealthy in Nigeria. Hopefully the drugs you bought for headache is not fake. Imagine paying for your death.

So no, there is no enjoyment in a dysfunctional system. Just that human natures will adapt to bad situations and create fun in it. Just as the kids in the ghetto are having fun, but it's not good life.

Alphamentips:
No be comfort zone matter. Na 10 to 20 meter matter

Gerrard59:
Those making dollars while in Nigeria have no reason to japa.

An instance is the children/close relatives of cocoa farmers and exporters. If I see any such person japa, I will ask hard questions.

planetx:
You have a rosy view of life in the UK that is not based on reality, I bet you have never been in that country before based on your comment.

RickyJesus:
if the japa option becomes bleak; what should be a good strategy (NB: I have no intention on contributing to this chaos).

NuCypher:
I tell people this. Your best option is to find remote work in Nigeria where you earn in dollars or euro. That's your best option. And preferably move to a country like Rwanda eventually that may be able to accommodate you under a work visa.

IbeOkehie:
I know oil & gas engineers paid in dollars who have migrated away from Nigeria.

I know high level officers of foreign oil & gas companies who reached retirement age on their job...at director level...and chose to live out their retirement in UK and USA.

If you add regular workers in the industry who were making a comfortable naira salary the number is huge. I know one person in this class that SHOCKED me recently by leaving Nigeria.

Nigeria is not a nice place to live. Nigerian culture is just bad.

The infrastructure is sub-par.

The weather is hot and humid.

Mass poverty has made the populace generally ignorant, nasty, desperate and cruel. Most Nigerians only see other people as targets for fraud, nothing else.

Positives for a rich dollar earner are cheap and easy sex, availability of cheap servant labour and worship from the mass of poor people who pretend to respect the rich.

Many have weighed the options and made the choice to migrate. Where they don't migrate they send their children abroad. And most ultra high net worth Nigerians you THINK live in Nigeria actually live abroad and commute into Nigeria. This I know for a fact. Europe is a 6 hour flight away, North America 12 hours. Some of these people spend enough time in NY to qualify as residents for tax purposes.

Nigeria is a hostile environment in which only a sadist can be comfortable.

Good Luck to Nigerians.


We will be just fine.
If all the oil and gas people you know and those you don't know leave,we will still be fine.
Too many people are too ignorant to read the history of the countries they have settled in they are just too excited to be abroad.
The Nigerian economy is terrible but things are getting better howbeit slowly.
The traffic is chaotic,but we have more functioning streetlights than any time in our history.
Businesses are struggling we accept,but many businesses are riding on technology to deliver great value and are succeeding.
The houses are overpriced we know, but many more people live in beautiful environments than a few decades ago when GRAS were a thing.
Health care is expensive,but imagine health care without HMOs.
A few years ago,the interior of houses were just hideous,but now at least you can appreciate good furniture placed right with art without the home giving off shrine vibes.
The kitchens in some nigerian homes beat what u would see anywhere in England or the US and they would only get better.
The menu at restaurants was very short two decades ago,but today we are spoilt for choice.
Gradually society is improving,and those behind the improvements are getting wealthy while the remaining want to japa and keep blaming a government that can never be responsive.

online4business:
You probably don't have the means to leave Nigeria that's why you think this way.

Show me any politicians nnpc group director army navy or airforce top brass with kids without dual citizenship.

Even your obi atiku and tinubu all have don't decieve yourself;

All people with mean all their children sr dual citizenship.

I've traveled to Cyprus on a phantom student visa saw the charade and left.

However, I've traveled almost all states in Nigeria and many west African countries.

Let me ask you a question I'd ask myself before I became a Ugandan citizen.

Do you what your kids to experience what you're going through?

Smell the coffee things will only get worse and life is too easy to suffer for anyone.

The majority of Nigerians like suffering how can you explain tinubu and buhari ruling Nigeria.

Get out now why you can; it's about to get ugly like omobaba's face.

If you'd even travel please be open to learn a new language.

People find it hard to cope but with small money and a few favours you can overcome.

Please avoid coming to foreign country to show off no body really cares... Way different living in Nigeria compare to other African nations.

Anguldi:
Why is the Visa officer mentioning Visit

IbeOkehie:
I know oil & gas engineers paid in dollars who have migrated away from Nigeria.

I know high level officers of foreign oil & gas companies who reached retirement age on their job...at director level...and chose to live out their retirement in UK and USA.

If you add regular workers in the industry who were making a comfortable naira salary the number is huge. I know one person in this class that SHOCKED me recently by leaving Nigeria.

Nigeria is not a nice place to live. Nigerian culture is just bad.

The infrastructure is sub-par.

The weather is hot and humid.

Mass poverty has made the populace generally ignorant, nasty, desperate and cruel. Most Nigerians only see other people as targets for fraud, nothing else.

Positives for a rich dollar earner are cheap and easy sex, availability of cheap servant labour and worship from the mass of poor people who pretend to respect the rich.

Many have weighed the options and made the choice to migrate. Where they don't migrate they send their children abroad. And most ultra high net worth Nigerians you THINK live in Nigeria actually live abroad and commute into Nigeria. This I know for a fact. Europe is a 6 hour flight away, North America 12 hours. Some of these people spend enough time in NY to qualify as residents for tax purposes.

Profgordons:
Simply because they cannot recreate that wealth abroad.