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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:23am On Mar 15 |
LordReed: If you were at all capable of critical thinking you'd have realized long ago (like most of our geniuses) that you don’t know anything |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 12:32am On Mar 15 |
PoliteActivist: Does he know how to read? Surely, that's something? |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:34am On Mar 15 |
LordReed: Soo, Q E D. (as usual!) (Truly amazing how you always lose EVERY TIME we argue!) |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:36am On Mar 15 |
LordReed: Thus is NOT true. Man was a vegetarian for a long time. Why didn't goats follow suit? |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:39am On Mar 15 |
LordReed: I don't want to call u a liar but you said it for several pages - that the ONLY reason diabetes survives is because diabetics reproduce! |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:44am On Mar 15 |
budaatum: He has to first exist to be reading, and we are not sure he exists. Just because there seems to be something like reading going on doesn't mean he exists |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 12:47am On Mar 15 |
PoliteActivist: I know my Lord exists. You'll be sure too once you bother to understand what existence means and how to ascertain whether beings and things exist or not. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:47am On Mar 15 |
HellVictorinho6: You could be right. We have no way of knowing what this truly is. We could easily be made to think there is absolutely a universe when there is no universe at all |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:49am On Mar 15 |
budaatum: Funny guy. Who's your Lord as an atheist? |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:57am On Mar 15 |
budaatum: Point is, same way you could be made to NOT feel "pain" that is there, you can also be made to feel pain that is not there. There is no such thing as pain independent of your brain - whatever your brain registers as pain is pain. Hence if you did this in a dream you'd also feel pain. Pain has nothing to do.with your habd but your brain |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 1:14am On Mar 15 |
LordReed: See below. This is from physics department of a university, NOT the usual nonsense you write from top of your head and later try to save face about
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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 3:23am On Mar 15 |
budaatum: That's folly |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 3:24am On Mar 15 |
PoliteActivist: So, you that doesn't "actually exist" will not feel pain but your brain that does exist will feel pain? Can you explain how your brain exists without you please, such that it will feel the pain that you don't feel? And note that I do wonder at your fudge thinking that seems to suggest that you that doesn't actually exist can dream and feel pain. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 3:27am On Mar 15 |
Aemmyjah: Are you saying, to assume there is an intelligent designer to compensate for one's lack of knowledge when one can very easily go learn is folly, Aemmyjah, or that to go learn itself is folly? |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 3:39am On Mar 15 |
budaatum: There's a building in our village made of bricks and bamboo in a thick forest and very unusual design From the oldest person till now, no one knows how the building came to be It is folly to believe that someone must have built it even when we lack knowledge of such shey? |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 4:10am On Mar 15 |
Aemmyjah: After many centuries and before Christ, many Egyptians had forgotten how to read the hieroglyphs, and when asked who built the pyramids, they said the gods had built them. And that despite the existence of detailed wage records. Aemmyjah, it is as much folly to claim "to believe that someone must have built it even when we lack knowledge of such" as it is to believe 2+2 =10 because you don't know it equals 4. Apart from the fact that once you've decided to believe, you would not continue seeking knowledge about how the house was built and who built it and why and how it was built, and I could easily exploit your lack of knowledge by giving you ₦2 and then another ₦2 and I wouldn't need to work hard for you to believe I've given you ₦10, which definitely would not be folly for me. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 4:25am On Mar 15 |
budaatum: gods or not? Someone built them Your folly is very high It's like a computer trying to explain to another computer how it or other components of it was made without alluding to a designer or programmer |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 4:41am On Mar 15 |
budaatum: You're like someone trying to explain computer inside a computer How do I compare you and LordReed and other atheists who claim to be wise but are really opposite? It's like an intelligent person trying to explain how computer came to bewithout using or acknowledging man as an answer Give a purely naturalistic origin of computers and all the answers must lie within the computer - how all the molecules plastics, data, language came together without referencing an outside Source. An Artificial Intelligence might say it did not emerge or a product of any superior intelligence but common sense leads us to believe that it is not based on the evidence and we would never agree. It is like a transgender trying to make you believe that not only women can get pregnant. The folly and ignorance is on you. Will you simply accept that the artificial intelligence had no source? This artificial intelligence may even convince his peers that they are the gods, they somehow came into existence from the evolution of computer and majority agree. That is exactly what you atheists and the one fooling himself by saying he's an igtheist. How much more man's intelligence which the intellectual gap is very higher than any other organism on earth. Yet, they want to believe that intelligence of man came by some disruptions in the brain cells |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 4:59am On Mar 15 |
Aemmyjah:Someone, Aemmyjah. So why say god when you don't know? Aemmyjah:You don't know how high my supposed folly is, and just assume god, so be told here. Aemmyjah:I can just about see you trying to explain what you believe about computers to a computer without actually bothering to learn anything about computers and the phrase, garbage in garbage out springs to mind. I am not a computer, Aemmyjah. And unlike a computer, I can challenge your beliefs by asking you questions and by telling you what I think, and I think Goddidit is antiquated and stupid, and so is very like Adam daily walking naked past the tree of the fruit of knowledge without nourishing himself with it because he believes knowledge would kill him.
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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 5:20am On Mar 15 |
Aemmyjah:Why would anyone want to disregard "all the molecules plastics, data, language came together without referencing an outside Source"? If you paid to learn about computers and they teach you "a purely naturalistic origin of computers and all the answers must lie within the computer", would you say you got your money's worth or you got scammed? Aemmyjah:I think you are doing godidit with your "believe that intelligence of man came by some disruptions in the brain cells" because you lack knowledge, but I'll give you some so you know. Intelligence of humans came about through the use of the senses to acquire knowledge which gradually grew over the entire human history until it became the intelligence we observe today. There was a time when we could not cure headaches and didn't know what cancer was or what caused malaria and beat drums to communicate with the neighbouring villages, but now we are close to curing cancer and eradicating mosquitoes despite us Nigerians not yet understanding we farm the darn things in our gutters, and we all have phones, so I don't get where you get your "believe that intelligence of man came by some disruptions in the brain cells" from except from some god of yours. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 6:05am On Mar 15 |
budaatum: Oh we assumed a lot for the sake of conversation. We not only assumed I exist, we assumed the physical universe exists and we assumed I actually have a hand and that there is a hammer. Lots of HUGE assumptions, just like Descartes who made the huge leap from existence of thinking to he himself existing - "Cogito..." In reality even your fellow atheist, Sam Harris, says the individual does not exist (see below). Since u r of same religion, do you agree with him?
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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by HellVictorinho6(m): 6:06am On Mar 15 |
budaatum: There is no ALL THAT EXISTS or universe but there is an ALL in anything that exists space/time cant prove the existence of everything because there cant be an inside when there is no outside but there must be something since nothing cant stand or exist as a point or side to be defined. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by HellVictorinho6(m): 6:15am On Mar 15 |
PoliteActivist: There are whatevers/whoevers indefinitely |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by JessicaRabbit(f): 7:32am On Mar 15 |
PoliteActivist: The whole "all things being equal" argument is fantastical at best. People don't choose their beliefs in a vacuum. Upbringing, cultural influences, personal experiences etc. all play a role. But even in a hypothetical world, "benefits" are subjective! Your version of a "beneficial" life might involve church socials and shared beliefs, while mine might involve the freedom to explore ideas without theological constraints. There's no one-size-fits-all answer. At the very least, I'm pleased that you've finally come out to declare the subjectivity of life. That has been my point all along! That's why claiming everyone experiences the divine the same way, or that a specific religion is universally "beneficial", is a bit of a stretch. My reality involves finding meaning through personal growth, scientific discovery, and human connection - all perfectly fulfilling pursuits that don't require a deity. You know what? Why don't you go ahead and tell me, what aspects of religion you find most beneficial? Maybe I can share my perspective on how I find similar fulfillment without resorting to faith. Mutual understanding is far more productive than this game of logical whack-a-mole we seem to be playing. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 9:27am On Mar 15 |
PoliteActivist: Nope it's from their BLOG. And is a reprint from an article in a a NON SCIENTIFIC publication. You should ask yourself why there is no peer reviewed paper after all these years. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 11:27am On Mar 15 |
HellVictorinho6: What I can say for sure is that something exists since there seems to be something like what we call "thinking" going on. Now the nature of that something that exists I'm not sure about |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 11:42am On Mar 15 |
LordReed: You have started your ridiculousness again. Why are you fixated on the word "blog"? What has that to do with anything?? Below is the end of the article and who wrote it!
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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Geovanni412(m): 11:56am On Mar 15 |
JessicaRabbit: What do you mean by finding meaning through personal growth and human connection? It is a very vague term which both evil and good people use interchangeably Kindly clarify |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by HellVictorinho6(m): 12:18pm On Mar 15 |
PoliteActivist: Depends on what u mean by nature of xyz |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:20pm On Mar 15 |
JessicaRabbit: Good to have you back. Your erudite submissions add to the level of the discussion. Well, without "all things being equal" we can't have a discussion because, as I pointed out, it's like we all live in different realities though we physically occupy the same world. There are people who speak with God everyday and people who see shape-shifting demons everyday. Then there are people who are 100% sure a supernatural doesn't exist. The totally weird thing is that BOTH may be right! Respectfully, you're trying to play a fast one. I am the one who has always said that life is totally subjective - that what exists for one person may not exist for another. As for what aspects of religion are beneficial, they are rather obvious. Just believing God is on your side and you can't fail is better than going it "alone". But the real point is that you can at same time have ALL there is in atheism without the stigma and "lonliness" and isolation from the social mainstream (speaking of the "human connection" you talked about). You're right, mutual understanding is far more productive. Though "logical whack-a-mole" can be a lot of fun too. I'll admit I enjoy beating up LordReed . I'm truly amazed I've won EVERY SINGLE discussion I've had with him. They always end with me saying "QED"! |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:24pm On Mar 15 |
HellVictorinho6: Go with whatever you think it means, let's see where you going |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 1:11pm On Mar 15 |
PoliteActivist: LoLz! Keep dreaming of beating me, it is good to have aspirations. |
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