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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 5:26pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Ok...I'm putting up chapter 3 - Was Jesus poor? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 5:44pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
It is a DANGEROUS thing to have an idea and decide to go to the scriptures(in this case 'the mildas touch') for sole purpose of getting that idea endorsed – Bishop Noel Jones 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 5:53pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Just off-topic and kind of trivial but did you know he is related to Grace Jones - Grace Jones of the "pull up to my bumper baby" fame and James Bond "A View to a Kill" film - 1981 The Island Def Jam Music Group - He's her brother - Their dad was a pastor/bishop |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 6:23pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
nlMediator: And when some of us show areas of the spiritual life under the New Covenant where Paul or the NT clearly INVALIDATE the OT what are we labelled? When a person is SO 'PAULINE' in some respect and veers off in particularly key areas of our spiritual life, what do we make of that? 4 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 6:58pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
And he starred in Preachers of LA I wonder how Preachers of Nigeria would look like BabaGnoni: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:01pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
was Jesus Poor?Chapter 3 is up pickabeau1, enjoy |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nlMediator: 7:05pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Candour: Thanks for welcoming me back, my dear brother! Now I feel special!! Hagin's position on the application of the Scriptures has been my understanding and approach since the earliest part of my christian walk. It makes it easier to know why, for instance, the ritual laws in Leviticus do not apply to us. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nlMediator: 7:07pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Gombs: My dear brother, I took a short break from NL - to retain my sanity! Glory to God, I got a few things accomplished in the process. Thanks for noticing my conspicuous absence!! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:08pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Good job Gombs I'd be interested in whether the man reversed himself in this book, did he ever teach or prescribe what he is against? I like the was prosperity myth busters are caricatured as anti-givers. It is far much easier to malign anyone who is against supporting the church for obvious reasons; spreading the gospel is costly. Means don't justify the ends. Tithes put good use such as charity don't justify the legalism and threats used to exact them 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 7:16pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
nlMediator: yeah you're right......and also things like first fruits offerings which some pastors preach to their members or adding 20% as penalty for defaulting on tithe payments. The things plenty actually but i'm glad some of them were dealt with in the book. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 8:27pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
nlMediator: Really? Sometimes I question my sanity after being with some Nlders, often times it replies me. Welcome |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by pickabeau1: 8:48pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Gombs: So far so good.. a lot of the same things we know about faith and prosperity A lot of it has centred on how his needs were met even though he never asked.His and his kids were met and the congregation supplied the needs of the pastor when his ministry started The exposition on Jesus not poor is ok but a bit long but i can understand what he is trying to do I will wait for the chap 7 and co..pls notify me however i have some questions 1. The message as it is written so far seems to be for a preacher or man of God. I will like to hear more on how he translated it to the layman It is easy for a man of God who is loved and has a powerful ministry of signs and wonders to be blessed. This is not limited even to Christianity. The man of God should also want his followers to be blessed as against a focus on self using his spritual authority 2. I will like to highlight the words of the man of God here Does this sound like Jesus and His disciples were poor and destitute, a traveling band of beggars who lived off the land, hand-to-mouth? Absolutely not. Their needs were met through the generosity of many partners who faithfully and consistently supported Jesus' ministry financially. The focus from his exposition on Jesus's life shows that Jesus knew his needs will be met. so he never worried I get that When did it change from trusting God to meet the needs of men of God and living in that faith to a naked grab for wealth, wealth acquistion and oppression of the laity by these same men Everytime I go to church, its always a boasting session or the other..God gave a car, land , jet etc 3. How can the common man assess this prosperity or is it for the preachers alone 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 8:59pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
^^^ @nora544, You probably now have a posting ban apart from having your post hidden up there - what was the contents of the post @vooks Yeah, I know about him in Preachers of LA, I just was wondering whether anyone else knew he was related to Grace Jones @ pickabeau1 You're to grin and bear it, not to have some questions 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by pickabeau1: 9:42pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: i thought we were critiquing d book 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:14am On Oct 21, 2014 |
pickabeau1: ok..i will notify you
sir, it's all same principle....we all copied from Jesus, Paul did, anybody who does is bound to have same result. 2. I will like to highlight the words of the man of God here Jesus knew God was able at all times to supply His needs, that was same sonesis Paul had when he penned it down in Phillipians 4 so he never worried Ever wondered why He keeps telling us "Do not worry"? Same thought Paul found out and asked us to be careful for NOTHING- Phillipians 4:6 I get that can you please rephrase your above question? Everytime I go to church, its always a boasting session or the other..God gave a car, land , jet etc Boasting sessions? Well in my church it isn't so.. if you say testimony session i can comprehend. 3. How can the common man assess this prosperity or is it for the preachers alone Read that book, or go back to chapter 1 i posted... it gave conditions for prosperity, it applies to all, not just preachers, the book of Isaiah says " if you be willing and obedient... you shall eat the good of the land" looks to me that condition is open to all, not just preachers alone. [/quote] |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by pickabeau1: 6:20am On Oct 21, 2014 |
Rephrased When did pastors start the wealth race from a point of needs being met Some give testimony of what God has done but u feel its like a boast Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:33am On Oct 21, 2014 |
pickabeau1: this question is quite vague... make it plain bro Some give testimony of what God has done but u feel its like a boastDon't see it as boasting... see it as a chance to challenge your spirit. There was a time Pastor Chris gave out $1 million as offering (168,000,000 NGN) i did not see it as boasting, i said to my self "one day, i'd give more than that to the Lord" and i set my mind to it. That's my mindset, my mentality. the other day, he gave a choir leader a brand new SUV, did i get angry? NO... Did i say He's showing off? NO... i said "one day, i'd be giving folks cars too" simple. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by pickabeau1: 6:37am On Oct 21, 2014 |
Gombs: OK...I can't make it more plain than it is.... I am saying the scriptures quoted and Jesus life showed faith to meet needs was the focus How did we get to a point where the church is now a place of wealth and commerce and property grab. Its a two fold question Do you agree the church is there if yes Then How? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Goshen360(m): 6:37am On Oct 21, 2014 |
Gombs: After you go say you wan teach me. Not that I'm not teachable but by God's grace, I'm a student of the word under the Spirit of truth. This is exactly what happens when you copy men and panel beat scriptures. You're still using the OT to interpret the NT. Isaiah was talking about or remembering them of obedience TO THE LAW of Deuteronomy 28. Listen here...as regards that verse you quest. Obedient is required in the NT but it is NOT obedience that causes something to happen but obedience to what is already done in the finished works of Christ. So you are saying, IN ORDER FOR ME TO EAT THE GOOD OF THE LAND, I HAVE TO OBEY but the NT says, in order for me to partake of what is already available, I have to believe AND BE OBEDIENT TO THE FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD. It is by His Obedience that everything I receive by believing or by faith happens, not by MY OWN OBEDIENCE to cause it to happen or to make me eat\partake of what is available. Lemme go sleep. I will join this brainwashing thread if I can..... 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:43am On Oct 21, 2014 |
pickabeau1: The church of all places should be a place of wealth, for that's God's body. The bible said the Church is Jesus's bride... if the groom is rich, why should the bride be any different? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by pickabeau1: 6:47am On Oct 21, 2014 |
Gombs: OK...so basically there is nothing wrong.. All is fine and dandy No problem.... Let's see what the book addresses then 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:50am On Oct 21, 2014 |
Goshen360: go and sleep jare... if them quote Isaiah Where he said by the Spirit "No weapon fashioned against you shall prosper..." you will immediately forget it's OT and scream AMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! as for the bold, i can't help but marvel at your bible knowledge bankruptcy.. anyways, anyhow you wan see the obedience fine, but make sure you meet the two conditions... Be willing and (not or) Obedient. make i go bath... work time don near reach! Say me hi to folk in America and your family members. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:52am On Oct 21, 2014 |
pickabeau1: alright, be right back with chapter 6: for i obviously can't post all chapters (i for book more space o). Chapter 6 is above avoiding abuses and false practices. see you in an hour and 30mins time |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Goshen360(m): 7:00am On Oct 21, 2014 |
Gombs: Abeg go siddon or wash that your a$$ joor...... How I go say Amen when where I siddon sef IN CHRIST, demons no fit fashion anything against me sef. My Amen will be to what he's done for me. In Christ, I'm complete.....how about that? My family go hear say you say hello sha.....stubborn boi 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 7:08am On Oct 21, 2014 |
the reason why we are in this state today is because the pentecostal circle has taught the minister infallibility "the pastor cannot be wrong in what he teaches" so when you question any teaching, you are then asked who are you to question such? what do you know? are you saying you know more than so and so? when a ministers teaches wrong, people have a hard time believing its wrong, how could he be wrong, this man that has done great and mighty works(I have a video showing the great billy graham saying "JESUS ISNT THE ONLY WAY", A lot of folks will not dispute that simply because of the mans record, afterall when it comes to issue of altar call, i dont think anybody beats his record. I didn't want to comment here but i'm forced to [size=14pt]Was Jesus Homeless?[/size] the above quote is irrelevant, the scriptures never showed that the any of the prophets were homeless or didnt have a place of abode(whether its outright ownership or rent). whats important is that they had a place to sleep. if the disciples had houses, why will Jesus be homeless? People who use this point to buttress that Jesus was rich because he had a house normally use it to describe ownership and not tenancy. Jesus was not a pauper, neither did he live a live of penury, he had his needs met supernaturally and for crying out loud he was a carpenter(so he wasnt without skill) BUT never did he for once live in OPULENCE as the present day church will want all christian to live in As for this How does someone have his "own town," his "home town," and his "own city" unless he lives there? And how does he live there unless he has a place to live?people that live under the bridge can also say this, afterall should they travel and are returning to that town, the above is what they will say |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 7:10am On Oct 21, 2014 |
pickabeau1: Just get the ebook & study at your pace, rather than waiting for it piece by piece below is the source link vooks: this is the link, the size is about 4.58mb |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by pickabeau1: 7:22am On Oct 21, 2014 |
im studying at my pace whether downloaded or not nannymcphee: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 8:09am On Oct 21, 2014 |
[size=14pt]Jesus Wore Nice Clothes[/size] here again is a statement that people throw around without looking at the scripture, just because a minister said it. the reason they gambled for his coat was in fulfillment of scriptures and not because of the quality of the clothes Psalms 22:18 (AMP) They part my clothing among them and cast lots for my raiment (a long, shirtlike garment, a seamless undertunic). [John 19:23, 24.]) (ASV) They part my garments among them, And upon my vesture do they cast lots. (CEV) They took my clothes and gambled for them. (KJV+) They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. (LITV) They divide My garments among them, and they made fall a lot for My clothing. (YLT) They apportion my garments to themselves, And for my clothing they cause a lot to fall. so whether or not the clothes were clean or dirty or stinking, they would have still casted lots and have it shared, SO THAT THE WORD OF GOD MIGHT BE FULFILLED
As for the above, this word will come into play MEMORABILIA 1: things that are remarkable and worthy of remembrance 2: things that stir recollection or are valued or collected for their association with a particular field or interest serial killers are known to do this and they dont pick that which is most expensive besides what benefit will a shredded piece of quality designers cloth material of a condemned criminal be to a roman soldier? bottom line: Jesus garment was torn and lots were casted for it, for the sole purpose of fulfilling scriptures 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 8:14am On Oct 21, 2014 |
nannymcphee: Welcome I don't need type a rebuttal...sit back and relax, while I finish this off As for the coloured, me thinks you missed the latter part of the WAS JESUS RICH chapter, now be a sweetheart, go back, put your fingertips on your phone or laptop while reading, you'd notice the writer suggesting Jesus was NOT extravagant. Quit the carpentry crap! He left carpentry when his ministry started, show me where he made a table or chair during hid ministry time, and how Judas had so much in the bag, that embezzlement was easy! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 8:21am On Oct 21, 2014 |
nannymcphee: Fulfilling scriptures shey? The sole purpose? So if he wore rags, they'd have casted lots shey? For memorabilia? Serial killers shebi? As for the above bold, can you please show me where they said the clothes were torn or shredded? I must have missed that place! I remember John the beloved writing They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whoseit shall be: Are you also dyslexic or you want to twist scriptures for your ideology? 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by PastorKun(m): 8:30am On Oct 21, 2014 |
nannymcphee: Another thing that these WOF charlatans deliberately omit is that the garment Jesus wore to his crucifixion was not his own but a garment worn for him by Herrod to mock him as king of the jews. Luke 23:11 11 Then Herod and his soldiers ridiculed and mocked him. Dressing him in an elegant robe, they sent him back to Pilate. 3 Likes |
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