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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:34am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Alright fellas, chapter 7 in the pioe line. *Starts typing in earnest! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 6:40am On Oct 22, 2014 |
@Gombs, thanks for your response, in due time I'll respond your your reply. let me allow you continue or should I create another thread for that? This is a faceless forum, I just want to know how old are you(?no offense intended) |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 6:43am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Gombs: Aren't you using a PC, why the typing? just copy & paste, it's easier that way |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 6:49am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Gombs: Actually, you were very sure their wealth was coming to you today and today means the present. You even acknowledged this idea came from mainly one scripture. Once again see your own words Gombs: It is mainly from You believed this one verse was enough to assure you that. You were so sure that you even sent me to tell them that it was only a matter or time. you quoted me half way, ignoring your question and the latter part of my post. Folks can go ahead and read our exchanges on that thread. Thank God you didn't accuse me of remixing what you said. I only quoted the one pertaining to the subject matter. We were talking about so many things there. I put the link to the thread up. Folks are free to read it up themselves. I stand by these words, and my post is in no way in support of End-time transfer of wealth. Good for you that you're standing by those words and the words are there for whoever is interested. If you don't support that fraudulent doctrine, then I'm glad. Meanwhile in that post you quoted form the book, why on earth did you not see this? Of course I saw the quote. Hagin should know (I'm sure he knew but didn't want to ruffle too many feathers) lack of funds isn't the problem of most of our big churches because folks are pressured to even give what they are not supposed to give as he admitted; lack of prudence and accountability is. Oyedepo my former G.O owns 4 private jets. Tell me here that you believe he truly needs them all. Do you have any idea of the cost of purchase and maintenance? 5 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:54am On Oct 22, 2014 |
nannymcphee: If you copy from the pdf, and paste, it repeats itself ie 1 line repeats itself for like a thousand times. The pdf is signature protected. Besides, I have to highlight, so, no qulams for me. I used a pdf to word converter sha, and yeah, I'm using my pc not the tab or phone. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:56am On Oct 22, 2014 |
nannymcphee: Ma'am, I'm not offended, but to what good do you need my age for? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:04am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Candour: How is that End time transfer of wealth? When you for want? Christians of the future? If Jesus tarries, I'd still be walking this earth in 50years time. Folks can go ahead and read our exchanges on that thread. Thank God you didn't accuse me of remixing what you said. I only quoted the one pertaining to the subject matter. We were talking about so many things there. I put the link to the thread up. Folks are free to read it up themselves. Yeah, thanks Good for you that you're standing by those words and the words are there for whoever is interested. If you don't support that fraudulent doctrine, then I'm glad. Thanks Of course I saw the quote. Hagin should know (I'm sure he knew but didn't want to ruffle too many feathers) lack of funds isn't the problem of most of our big churches because folks are pressured to even give what they are not supposed to give as he admitted; lack of prudence and accountability is. Oyedepo my former G.O owns 4 private jets. Tell me here that you believe he truly needs them all. Do you have any idea of the cost of purchase and maintenance? You did not attempt the sentence Hagin putdown, maybe I should paste it again If all Christians would simply tithe and give offerings, the Church would have more than enough funds to accomplish whatever it needs to do. Where do you think churches should get funding from, and how? Lack of prudence and accountability is NOT a viable reason not to give or encourage others not to. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 7:31am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Gombs: In other words you believe Gates, Zuckerberg, Seun etc will lose their wealth to you and others? Then why are you denying? Do you not understand what End time transfer of wealth means? Must God make Gates, Zuckerberg, Seun etc bankrupt, fail etc before he can provide for Christians? Must you eye and covet the riches of those hardworking people? So because you'll be here in 50 years if Jesus tarries, they must become poor for you to get riches? You did not attempt the sentence Hagin putdown, maybe I should paste it again Until you can show where I've argued against giving to the body of Christ, the above quote remains immaterial to me. You know my position on tithing and I expect you to know my position on christian giving. You emphasise this quote to make it look like the organised church lack funds as it is and I asked how lacking in funds is a ministry whose G.O personally cruises 4 private jets. Lack of tithe and offerings isn't the problem of the church; stealing, misappropriation, misplaced priorities etc are. Would you give money to a beggar rocking an iPhone, a Gucci shoe, an Armani jeans and shirt in a range sport? That's how those flamboyant ministers who constantly whine about needing funds look. Lack of prudence and accountability is NOT a viable reason not to give or encourage others not to. Pls quote where I said people shouldn't give 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 7:40am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Gombs: I thought someone took one step toward the truth, I was calling your goons to do the same, datsall. As for healing, you will do well to show me where I said God does not heal people divinely anymore regardless of their religion. If an unbeliever still goes through child labor and come out with a child; if unbelievers still get lucrative jobs, if they still get healed and function in health just like I do. If an unbeliever can yet sleep and wake up everyday like a believer, if it rains on them just like it does on me how then will I ever say God don't wrought miracles! The difference between an unbeliever and myself is enlightenment, while I am completely aware of the source of all the relative inexplicable wonders that surrounds me, they refuse to give glory to the divine God who gives all good and perfect gifts. Romans 1:16 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Now, what I am against is anyone saying they have a corner to making God do a thing at their own time, their own venue and at their own will regardless of God's purpose and will that had been laid before the foundation of the earth. Nobody has a market for miracles, God remains sovereign and He retains all power to do all things through anyone at His own time. When christians are told this truth, we scamper rapidly to 'ask and you shall be given', forgetting that even the great apostle asked and it was not given. Did jesus lie? Of course not, He can't lie. So why was the harbinger and the forerunner of the gospel of grace denied his request by God? Simple answer, we are in the dispensation of grace, where we don't and can't use God as some form of placebo, He gives according to His sovereign Will and not simply because any man thinks there is a power to manoeuvre God to oblige. HIS GRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR US ALL. I read the first chapter and the second chapter of the 'Midas touch', I got so irritated that I could not continue. But I appreciate the book at this this time because the nugget of truth there is opening the eyes of those who are supposedly far away from what the truth is, for them, it is a good place to start. May God bless us all according to His will. 4 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by brocab: 7:45am On Oct 22, 2014 |
The tithe was set up in the old testament. Bring your food into the storehouse so the priesthood and the the poor can be fed. These day's the tithing messages had changed, now they are taking the tithe from all walks of life such as the needy and the poor. Tithing was never monies, 1 Timothy 6-5 tells us clearly priest-pastors men of corrupt minds who suppose that godliness is the means of gain. From such withdraw yourselves. When did we hear of Jesus catching a plane, or should I say buying one. Gombs: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 8:18am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Candour: Candour na, The Bible does teach that when the Church returns with Jesus after the Tribulation and He sets up His Millennial Kingdom on earth, we will be inheriting all of the wealth of the sinners at that time. Where is bankruptcy here? Why would God want to bankrupt folks to get Christians rich? You can conjure up theories you think I meant, especially the above bold and colored, even suggesting I eye and covet the riches of others is nauseating and slanderous. Until you can show where I've argued against giving to the body of Christ, the above quote remains immaterial to me. All tithe threads...you stance there does not putting givings in churches in good light especially calling of ministers and ministries names. But these are immaterial now, I don't wan to derail further. Thanks You know my position on tithing and I expect you to know my position on christian giving. You emphasise this quote to make it look like the organised church lack funds as it is and I asked how lacking in funds is a ministry whose G.O personally cruises 4 private jets. Lack of tithe and offerings isn't the problem of the church; stealing, misappropriation, misplaced priorities etc are . So what did you do about it on nairaland? You created an impression all mega churches are fraudulent., if that's not the case, then fine. I'm glad you said you've learnt too from the book. Would you give money to a beggar rocking an iPhone, a Gucci shoe, an Armani jeans and shirt in a range sport? That's how those flamboyant ministers who constantly whine about needing funds look. Which beggar has those? Are you calling your former GO a beggar? Or are you calling mega churches? Who exactly is the word 'beggar' conoting? Pls quote where I said people shouldn't give They should not tithe, no? If by any means I seemingly supported End time transfer of wealth (a fact I know I didn't pray for some non christian guys to go broke for my sake), or crested the impression, I hereby tender my apology. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 8:31am On Oct 22, 2014 |
brocab: I must say your post is idiotic. No offense intended please. Don’t derail, this is not a tithe discussion thread. If Jesus had access to flights during his time, or if he were around today, he'd have trekked with a donkey from Nazareth to Jerusalem, then down to Judea, Samaria etc. Go get a world map and check the distances. He'd have used a donkey or ship, shey? See you all in 3hrs time. Chapter 7 in the pipeline |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 8:42am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Gombs: I do know about the return of Christ, the millenial reign, the utopia of a new heaven and a new earth. All that have nothing to do with end time transfer of wealth. we are currently in the end times and now is when that doctrine claims all those things will happen. I dont want to further derail this thread but i would have wanted you to explain the mantraa ''we are taking over'' that i always hear from CEC folks. this wrong doctrine is also the bedrock for the wrong belief that the church will be basking in glory, wealth etc while waiting for Christ return. All tithe threads...you stance there does not putting givings in churches in good light especially calling of ministers and ministries names. But these are immaterial now, I don't wan to derail further. Thanks The churches who engage in these abuses and false practices should hold themselves responsible for whatever bad names they get. Is there another way of addressing a person engaged in crime? or is obtaining money through abuse and false practices not a crime? i encourage folks to give but shine your eyes well well. That's what Hagin is also advising in this book So what did you do about it on nairaland? You created an impression all mega churches are fraudulent., if that's not the case, then fine. I'm glad you said you've learnt too from the book. I didn't create the impression my brother. the mega churches gave themselves that appellation. To prove my point, when last did you see ''The Midas Touch'' in your church bookshop? Of course it can't be there for obvious reason Which beggar has those? Are you calling your former GO a beggar? Or are you calling mega churches? Who exactly is the word 'beggar' conoting? the word beggar connotes somebody who needs money and is begging for it. Do they beg like they need the money? if yes, then they are beggars They should not tithe, no? Do you mean until i pay tithe, i can't give to the body of christ? on the bolded, It's well. cheers 5 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:45am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Had to share this piece I came across years back from the king of wealth transfer himself Dr Leroy Thompson This guy is way off the hook with prosperity pimping. Was in a CE church in Lagos sometime ago and the pastor demonstrated the "MONEY COMETH" ritual which Leroy Thompson invented Happy Viewing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb2q_BzNHl4 |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nora544: 9:28am On Oct 22, 2014 |
I never saw such a preaching in my country, that has nothing to do with a real christian, that is a comedy club not a church, but this pastors is good how he take the money out of his brainwashed folloers. I feel that nigerian pastors at the same level. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 9:42am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Lobeez: nora544: Hagin went for #2 and #3, and the following are some of the prominent and well known WoFists or WoF teachers that attended the 1999 Tulsa meeting called by Hagin: Kenneth Copeland (i.e. the heir to Hagin’s WoF movement empire) Creflo Dollar (i.e. Kenneth Copeland's protégé) Jerry Savelle (i.e. Kenneth Copeland's protégé) Jesse Duplantis [size=16pt]Leroy Thompson (Absent)[/size] Mac Hammond Steve Parson Charles Capps etc Although Leroy Thompson of the "Money Cometh To Me, Now" pulpit stunt fame starring Creflo Dollar alongside him, was invited to the meeting, he, [size=24pt]Leroy Thompson declined and refused to show up[/size]. According to Steve Parson, Mac Hammond reported a "comedy of errors" story to the group in the Tulsa meeting attendance, that he, Mac, had previously called Leroy Thompson to find out, why he, Leroy Thompson, was refusing to attend the Tulsa meeting organised by Hagin “God told me not to come,” was Leroy Thompson's reply. “That’s funny,” Mac Hammond said he answered back, and adding “God told me to call you and tell you to come. So one of us is missing it.” You see, Hagin was trying to control the frankenstein of a WoF movement he created before it escapes control and destroys him, Hagin, its creator and architect, "sugbon epa o boro mo" but it was too little, too late, too late as the horse had bolted https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical#27286084 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 9:42am On Oct 22, 2014 |
One question Gombs, do you accept Hagins view on the Firstfruits seeing that he clearly points out that no NT mention of firstfruits has any link with financial giving? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nora544: 9:44am On Oct 22, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: I wanted to post about the history of MIDAS TOUCH, that is comes from greece. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midas Myths |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 9:44am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Gombs: Try pasting it into Microsoft word first, highlight maybe 6-10 lines per time That's how I did mine, there was no repition Though it wasn't a smooth process, it kinda of lags |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 9:50am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Lobeez: What! What!! What!!! Eleyi gidi gan! Our naija false teachers have not become this bold. They only insinuate this sort of rubbish, dem no get the liver to go this far yet. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 10:01am On Oct 22, 2014 |
shdemidemi: This is child's play and he was just warming up. You want to watch the stunt he pulled on the pulpit with Creflo Dollar joining him, to then know that this "eleyi gidi gan" is small compared to that repulsive other "Money Cometh to Me. Now!" stunt they performed on the "stage" 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nora544: 10:04am On Oct 22, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Dr Firemann is also good you will find a very nice documentation about him on youtube he is in the same level. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qp_4oRCp9I |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 10:06am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Gombs has seen the light He has admitted to fraud being perpetuated in CE He admits that wealth transfer is futuristic, in the millennial reign and not a PRESENT occurence 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 10:13am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Glad we still have folks like Donnie Swaggart: "Tell them Bro" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDgl2ySSj04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb5N7SAL5_k |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by pickabeau1: 10:16am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Wow.. the Dr Leroy video... wow Wish it was unedited though 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nora544: 10:30am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Lobeez: You know who his father is read this he is not better http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Swaggart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw Genesis write this very popular song about his father |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 10:30am On Oct 22, 2014 |
pickabeau1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEgS2uDMEF4 pickabeau1, this one is for you bro. Enjoy watching Leroy Thompson and Creflo Dollar or throw up - Now you know why he couldn't muster strength to turn up at Hagin's called meeting 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 10:35am On Oct 22, 2014 |
vooks: We give God all the glory for the dab of transformation.. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by pickabeau1: 10:39am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Damn... At first i felt like laughing then throwing up and then smh The comedy of horrors on the pulpit steps BabaGnoni: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 10:48am On Oct 22, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: wow..look how it seem like they are flourishing, coupled with the so many congregants present. An ignorant and simple thinker will mistake all of that for God's way of communicating with His people. I remember a brother boasting about the number of attendees in their church and how they multiply by the day, at least this video proves that the number of people in a 'church' gathering don't mean God is there. I know God sent a snake to kill people like this in the past, Jesus used a weep on their behind, the Holy Spirit dey wait for them at rapture. God is truly a patient God, if man(especially me) were God, I will send a dozen leviathans in to their midst. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 12:56pm On Oct 22, 2014 |
Chapter 7 is up! Pheeeew! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 1:02pm On Oct 22, 2014 |
nora544: Spare us the gist, it is in the book...go buy it and read. You love wikipedia a whole lot more than your bible. |
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