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| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 11:59am On Nov 29, 2014 |
Syncan: ‘God is your throne…’. Psm 45:6 - Byington ‘Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.’ 1ch 29:23 KJV It should be noted that Hebrews 1:8, 9 is a quotation from Psalm 45:6, 7, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. The writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God and neither did the writer of Hebrews think that Jesus was Almighty God.
WRONG! The form of God is not God. It’s like saying: the form of animal is animal; the form of man is man. God is a spirit, Jesus is a spirit – all angels are spirit. They are equal in form. Jesus at some time was made flesh (lower form), and thus became lower than the angels. Do you think Jesus was made lower than the angels in position, age, wisdom, power and authority? He was made lower in terms of form of existence. ALL HEAVENLY BEINGS, INCLUDING GOD, EXIST IN SPIRIT FORM. Our form of existence is flesh (lower in form than spirit). You are equal in form with a day old baby, but superior in age, wisdom, power, knowledge, experience etc. to a baby.
Look at you! Point to where I lied. It’s just your subtle way of introducing what you want to say.
[size=16pt]I AM[/size] sure you saw my comment on above in one of my previous posts - go back to it and address. |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 12:09pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Syncan: In the beginning of what?
‘With’ is suggestive of two different persons, TRUE or FALSE?
The word was a God. You are a God. Even Satan is a God. IS JESUS THE ALMIGHTY GOD? IS JESUS THE FATHER OF JESUS? Answer, so all will know your true position.
What is the meaning of begotten? Can the almighty God ever be described as ‘begotten’? Who is the almighty, the begetter, or the begotten? 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 12:20pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
zyzxx: [size=16pt]YES![/size] Thanks, good afternoon! |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by CANTICLES: 12:30pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
1) Is Jesus The Father Of Jesus? 2) since they are one ....... WHAT happen to the father and holyspirit , when the son dies for three days ?? 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by dolphinheart(m): 1:06pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Syncan: Sir , pls do not wait for my agreement on one question before u go to the next. Ur answer is not for me alone but also for multitudes of sincere humans who are reading this thread. Pls answer all, as the questions all came from a need to better understand ur post. U do not need to answer in the sequence I asked but pls put the numberings so that I and others will know which of the questions u re answering. On Q8. U said there is difference in there origin that's y I asked the question, and I based the fact that u said that" jesus is God" and" holy spirit is God " to also mean that jesus is a God likewise the holy spirit. Same for question 9 But not to worry , I will rephrase the questions and add some in my next post. If u have issues with it , u can tell me and ill still try to rephrase. But pls wenever u decide to answer , for the sake of others , pls answer all . |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by dolphinheart(m): 2:12pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Syncan: This is the post that brought about the questions The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God. In this Trinity of Persons, the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. "go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:18). Now these are my questions(some rephrased as per ur request and others added. 1.)(a) What is God ? (b)who is a God?(c) who is a god? 2.)(a) Who is the father and(b) what is his name.? 3).who is the holy spirit?(b)what is his name? 4.) What do you mean by" they are not three Gods but one"? 5.) What do you mean by " in this trinity of persons"? 6) what do you mean by " the son is begotten of the father by an eternal generation" 7.)what do you mean by " the holy spirit proceed by an eternal procession"  .what are the origin of the the three persons?.9.) How do we know the holy spirit is God ?(b)if the holy spirit is God, can we say that the holy spirit is a God or a god? If no , why no ? . 10)does jesus have the same entity as the father, are they one and the same?(b)can jesus and the father be in the same place and same as two different spirit creatures interacting with each other? 11) if they are equal , is possible for them to exchange roles ? Pls these question is not for me alone but for others reading this thread so that we can all get a full understanding of trinity. U can answer any question first before the others but pls answer all. Pls also endeavor to be definite with each answer , and u can do that by adding yes or no to the answers giving. 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 4:47pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Freksy: Freksy: Freksy: May God help you in your deception as i take down this erroneous write-ups, which I've divided into three. 1. Reasons Ps45 was not talking of Solomon. a. vs 2: Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever. You say Solomon fairer than the children of men? This is laughable. And what was solomon's business with grace? Yet we know that the law came via moses and Grace came via Christ. Vs 6:Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever Psalm 44:6. Solomon was never promised a rule that lasts forever, this is for Jesus, Only Jesus did scripture give that glory. Listen to the words of the angel to mary: "and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end"(Lk1:33, also Ps9:6), Vs 7:You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity: Therefore, God, Your God, has anointed You. Did Solomon love righteousness and hate Iniquity? Isn't solomon the one that brought back Idolatory in Israel via his foreign wives? and what is that anointing all about with respect to solomon? Nothing!!!. But in Jesus Christ we see the one who loved righteousness, and hated sin, scripture is filled with this to the extent that the righteousness of Christ is shared to those who believe and walk in his ways. What about the anointed part, you may ask And I will answer, "What does "Christ" mean? Ah yes, it means anointed. Psalm 45 was talking about Christ not solomon 2. Lo he says: "God is a spirit, Jesus is a spirit – all angels are spirit. Behold so great a folly, that someone should equate God with angels, the creator with the created, the eternal with the finite, even in the guise of form. They are equal in form." Never did scripture talk about equality of an angel with God, never. What do you mean by "Spirit"? Spirit could signify: (1) a living, intelligent, incorporeal being, such as angels, demons, or spirit could be seen : (2)as the active essence or breath which was supposed to be the universal vital force...are the angels this one too? Even the angels, are not perfect spirits, how dare you suggest equality with God? But Jesus before he took flesh was God, for every attribute of God was in him, He is in eternity, He created all things. Jn1:1-3, Col 1:16. 3.Point to where I lied (about "I am" ). It’s just your subtle way of introducing what you want to say. Are you not the one who wrote this Freksy:Yet let anyone who cares open Ex3:14 in any translation and see, if there is something different from this "...Say this to the people of Israel: I Am has sent me to you." Ex3:14 |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 6:08pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Freksy: In the beginning of what? Do I even need to answer this? In the beginning of time, in the beginning of existence, in the beginning of creation, in Gen1.1. ‘With’ is suggestive of two different persons, TRUE or FALSE?... As long as what you referred to as 'persons,' are not in any way like separate individuals in the category God (e.g., the Father as the 'old man,' the Son as the 'young man,' the Holy Spirit as the 'dove') It is True, else it is False. The word was a God. You are a God. Even Satan is a God. ...We are talking about the God without which nothing was created(Gen1:1), we are talking about the God who was at the Beginning(Gen1:1), We are talking about the God who owns the angels(Rev22:6, Lk12:8-9), we are talking about the God who is the alpha and Omega(Rev21:6-7) Jn1:3,Col 1:16... Jesus created all things, without Jesus nothing was created Jn1:1...The Word (Jesus) was in the beginning. Rev 22:16...Jesus sends His angels on errand Rev 22:13 Jesus calls himself, the alpha and the Omega [b]IS JESUS THE ALMIGHTY GOD? IS JESUS THE FATHER OF JESUS? There is the father, the son and the Holy Spirit, The father is not the son, the son is not the Spirit. The father is God, the son is God and the Holy Spirit is God, yet not three Gods, but One God. There is one eternal God, who exists as a mutual indwelling of three persons: God the Father; God the Son; and God the Holy Spirit, which make up the Trinity. Answer, so all will know your true position. I have answered What is the meaning of begotten? Can the almighty God ever be described as ‘begotten’? Who is the almighty, the begetter, or the begotten? Someone asked this question before you, I will treat it when I respond to him |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by zyzxx(m): 8:04pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Freksy:u are on ur own bro. Gud pm. |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by zyzxx(m): 8:14pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
Syncan:yes o, God bleSs u sir. What d name of ur church sir? |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 3:35pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Syncan: Which of the Gods are you referring to?
The throne in question, is the throne of David. Several kings in David’s line were heir to that throne. Note that Jesus only became heir to a throne..., whose throne? The throne of his father, David. Refer to Luke 1:33 you just quoted. God made this covenant with King David at some time during David’s reign in Jerusalem, the parties being God and David as representative of his family. (2Sa 7:11-18) 11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house. 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever. 17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David. 18 Then went king David in, and sat before the LORD, and he said, Who am I, O Lord GOD? and what is my house, that thou hast brought me hitherto? 2Sa 7:11-18 The terms of this covenant were that a son from David’s line would possess the throne forever, and that this son would build a house for God’s name. God’s purpose in this covenant was to provide a kingly dynasty for the Jews; to give Jesus, as David’s heir, the legal right to the throne of David, “the LORD’s throne” (1Ch 29:23; Lu 1:32); and to provide identification for Jesus as the Messiah. The first person to inherit this Davidic covenant with God and sit on the throne of the LORD was king Solomon of Israel. 23 Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him. 24 And all the princes, and the mighty men, and all the sons likewise of king David, submitted themselves unto Solomon the king. 25 And the LORD magnified Solomon exceedingly in the sight of all Israel, and bestowed upon him such royal majesty as had not been on any king before him in Israel. 1Ch 29:23-25 KJV
Here, you are sounding very judgmental like the supreme judge of mankind. None Israelite king/prophet was without error/sin in the sight of the LORD. Judgment is God’s, not yours. Did you take note of what is said about him in the scripture I quoted above (1Ch 29:23-25)? Can same be said of you?
Solomon was also an anointed king, in case you don’t know. Though Solomon sat on that LORD’S throne of Davidic covenant before Jesus, however, it's worth mentioning again that God’s purpose in this covenant was to provide a kingly dynasty for the Jews; to give Jesus, as David’s heir, the legal right to the throne of David, “the LORD’s throne” (1Ch 29:23; Lu 1:32); and to provide identification for Jesus as the Messiah. ‘He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:’ Lu 1:32 KJV Solomon had been an heir to this same Davidic throne of covenant – the throne of the LORD. ‘Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.’ 1Ch 29:23 KJV How would you explain the following? 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 1Ch 29:14 KJV Is it Jesus that God was to chasten with the rod of men if he commit iniquity? Many kings in line of David sat on that throne. PS 45:6 FIRST APPLIED TO SOLOMON. It's not the one that sat on the throne that was to last forever, but the throne itself. 'Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.’ 1Ch 29:23 KJV |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 4:25pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
‘God is a spirit: …’ John4:24 KJV Jesus is a spirit: ‘Because Christ…being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;’ 1Pet.3:18 ASV ‘So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.’ 1Cor 15:45 ASV Angels are spirit: ‘And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.’ Heb 1:7 KJV All heavenly beings are spirit. Debunk the above scriptures let see.
All mankind - young and old, male and female, rich and poor, righteous and unrighteous, wise and unwise etc. are in FLESHLY FORM. That is our natural form of existence. You and a day old baby are flesh, but you are superior in age, knowledge, experience, wisdom, power etc. Oxygen, Hydrogen, Nitrogen etc. are different elements but naturally exist in the same form – GASEOUS FORM. All heavenly beings – God and angels are naturally in SPIRIT FORM. Though exist in the same form, God is the greatest – in age, knowledge, experience, wisdom, power etc.
Spirit means much more than what you claim you know. If spirit means A, B, C, D,… it does not necessarily mean where meaning A is implied, meaning B must be applied. Its usage is contextual.
Perfection or imperfection has nothing to do with the form in which they exist. A perfect being in the heaven exists in spirit form, imperfect being in the heaven equally exists in the form of spirit. This has nothing to do with moral uprightness. If you are ‘perfect’, or morally upright and I am not, it does not stop us from being men of fleshly form.
God’s “only-begotten son,” the Word, was a spirit person like his Father, hence “existing in God’s form” (Php 2:5- , but later “became flesh,” residing among mankind as the man Jesus. (Joh 1:1, 14) Completing his earthly course, he was “put to death in the flesh, but [was] made alive in the spirit.” (1Pe 3:18) His Father resurrected him, granted his Son’s request to be glorified alongside the Father with the glory he had had in his prehuman state (Joh 17:4, 5), and God made him “a life-giving [size=14pt]spirit[/size].” (1Co 15:45)
‘And God said to Moses “I will be what I will be”; and he said “You are to say to the sons of Israel ‘Will Be has sent me to you.’” Ex.3:14 Byington There is neither 'I AM' nor 'I AM THAT I AM' in Byington. Tell me, who truly is a liar? |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 5:35pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Syncan: It is false, even as obvious as it is that John1 is talking about two separate persons in the same sense that we know?
Jesus’ authority over the angels was given-a strong proof of his subordination to the giver, his father.
His father created him first (he is the firstborn of every creature, Col 1:15 KJV) and thereafter used him to create other things.
Are you not aware that the one who is the almighty rewarded him with the authority over the angels? The above is too flimsy as proof of his almightiness.
Mere assertion without substance. Show how that refers to Jesus, for it is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation. Mention who was speaking at that point. |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 6:31pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Syncan: The 1st distinct person Syncan: The 2nd distinct person Syncan: and the 3rd distinct ‘person’ Syncan: Confirmation of the distinction between the father and the son Syncan: Confirmation of the distinction between the son and the spirit Syncan: The 1st distinct person is a God Syncan: The 2nd distinct person is also a God Syncan: And the 3rd distinct ‘person’ is a God too. In view of the above, is it hard to see that the 3 distinct persons are Gods? See his conclusion below and judge for yourself what Satan is using the trinity to promote. Syncan: The father, the son and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons, and each is a God, according to 3nity dogma, yet you WILLFULLY REFUSE to accept that 3nity is nothing, but the worship of [size=14pt]3 Gods[/size]. Keep being a tool in the devil’s hand used as his harbinger of falsehood! Syncan: Ok, clap for yourself. Syncan:ok, I am waiting to see your response. 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 7:38pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Freksy: Mtchew! So many words, yet have said nothing. Your throne, O God, is for ever...Solomon's reign ended, Jesus reign is forever and ever. The truth shall set you free. |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 7:50pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Freksy: What do you know about "Person"? Smh. When did God create Jesus? The account of creation is still in Genesis, please tell me which day. If you want to know what that passage talks about then listen: Your mistake is of concluding that Jesus was created because he is called "first-born of every creature." One obvious problem here is born and created have very different definitions. Even when considering natural childbirth, we know a child does not come into being when he is born, but nine months earlier. Neither would Christ have "come into being" when he was begotten of the Father. Indeed, when Jesus is called first-born in Colossians as you pointed out, he is referred to as such before creation and time even existed. He was begotten from all eternity. As such, he would have never "come into being." A second, related problem arises when one considers the title first-born. Even in its Old Testament usage, this title was not restricted to a sense of time. The emphasis was on a place of pre-eminence given by a father to his son. Isaac, Jacob, and Ephraim received the blessing of the first-born though they were not first-born in time. Stop talking what you don't know. Jesus is God. |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 8:07pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Freksy: The bold fonts in red are my comments on your performance, if you keep quiet, maybe you can learn. But you need to keep quiet first. Jesus is God. |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 11:16pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
dolphinheart: To commence in answering the above questions, let us understand the import of the words we have been throwing around. A person is “an individual (primary) substance that is complete, subsisting, and of a rational nature”. However to appreciate the definition of a person, we need to understand the meaning of each word there, to do so, we have to digress a little, do take note of the following from Aristotle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categories _(Aristotle) Every speech is divided into two: • Either simple: without composition or structure, such as "man," "horse," "fights," etc. • Or composite: having composition and structure, such as "a man fights," "the horse runs," etc. Only composite forms of speech can be true or false, these forms of speech are made up of two main parts: Subject and Predicate. Eg Frosbel has asked a question He has given the answer In the above examples, the font in bold is the subject, while the italics is the predicate. Hence the predicate is that part of a speech that can make the speech true or false (modifies). It is defined on its own as “an expression that can be true of something” e.g. “Is feeding” is true for anything that feeds. Now,In talking about a subject, there is the following: (a) what is said “of” the subject .... This describes the kind of thing that the subject is as a whole, answering the question "what is it?" (b) what is said “to be in” the subject.... a predicate that does not describe the subject as a whole but cannot exist without the subject, e.g. the shape of something. Of all the things that exist, 1. Some may be predicated of a subject, but are in no subject; as man may be predicated of James or John, but is not in any subject. Man, Dog, Angel, 2. Some are in a subject, but cannot be predicated of any subject. Thus a certain individual point of grammatical knowledge is in me as in a subject, but it cannot be predicated of any subject; because it is an individual thing. 3. Some are both in a subject and able to be predicated of a subject, for example science, which is in the mind as in a subject, and may be predicated of geometry as of a subject. 4. Last, some things neither can be in any subject nor can be predicated of any subject. These are individual substances, which cannot be predicated of, because they are individuals; and cannot be in a subject, because they are substances. Shebi we have seen how individual came about in defining a person. Try to bear in mind what individual is and then we go ahead. Next we shall go to define Substance. 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 11:48pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Every object man can think of, that is, everything that can be subject or predicate of a proposition has been grouped into nine (10) categories, they include: substance, quantity, qualification, relative, where, when, being-in-a-position, having, doing, being-affected To give a rough idea, examples: of substance are man, horse; of quantity: four-foot, fivefoot; of qualification: white, grammatical; of a relative: double, half, larger; of where: in the Lyceum, in the market-place; of when: yesterday, last-year; of being-in-a-position: is-lying, is-sitting; of having: has-shoes-on, has-armour-on; of doing: cutting, burning; of being-affected: being-cut, being-burned. All these are lumped into two main Headings :Substance and Accident. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_(philosophy)] 1. Substance (οὐσία, ousia, essence or substance). A Substance is that; which is not an accident. divided into two: (a) primary substance: is that which cannot be predicated of anything or be said to be in anything.eg. This particular tree, this particular man. (b)secondary substances, which are universals and can be predicated. 2. Accident: That which may or may not belong to a subject, without affecting its essence. All other nine categories of objects above belong to accident. For example, a chair can be made of wood or metal but this is accidental to its being a chair: that is, it is still a chair regardless of the material from which it is made we now have a definition comprising the five notes that go to make up a person: Remember we said that a "Person" is defined as“an individual (primary) substance that is complete, subsistent, and is of a rational nature (a) substance-- this excludes accident; the (b) complete-- it must form a complete nature; that which is a part, either actually or "aptitudinally" does not satisfy the definition; (c) subsisting --the person exists in himself and for himself; he is the ultimate possessor of his nature and all its acts, the ultimate subject of predication of all his attributes; that which exists in another is not a person; (d) Individual---this excludes the universal, which has no existence apart from the individual; e.g. Man, Dog, Angel. (e) rational--- excludes all non-intellectual objects. Any thing being considered, that fails to satisfy even one of these five notes, is not to be called a person. e.g The human soul belongs to the nature(humanity) as a part of it, and is therefore not a person, even when existing separately. (falls short of b) The human nature of Christ does not exists in himself and for himself, but exists “for and in line with the activities” of the Divine Personality of the Word. It is therefore communicated by assumption and so is not a person. (falls short of c) Lastly the Divine Essence (God), though subsisting per se, is so communicated to the Three Persons that it does not exist apart from them; it is therefore not a person. God as an entity is not a person (falls short of d) So there you go, we have our full definition of a person, so anything we are talking about and using person, has to follow these rules. Exercise: Check if the word is a person. 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Nobody: 12:19am On Dec 01, 2014 |
Jesus is mythe, when u wake up u will find out that bible is litrature book |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 12:23am On Dec 01, 2014 |
To all. I saw the below from the oga at the top. Freksy p[quote author=Freksy: I don't even know what hard word to use in condemning that claim contained therein. However, my question is: If Jesus, and not the father created all things, Who was it that in Gen 1:1 created heaven and earth. Who said in Gen 1:3 "let there be light". Who rested on the seventh day after creating man on the sixth? 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 12:28am On Dec 01, 2014 |
Syncan: Good! This is a step in the right direction. At least for once, you have recognized Solomon as one who had also being on ‘the throne of David’ that God promised would last forever. ‘God is your throne forever and evermore; the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of equity.’ If anyone on the throne is/was addressed as a God, then Solomon that had being on that throne was a God. |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 1:07am On Dec 01, 2014 |
Syncan: Point of correction: Genesis account of creation, divided into epoch of days deals majorly on the preparation of earth for life. Nothing is said about creation of spirit beings, so you don’t have to know WHEN he was created before you believe he was created. Angels were created, but WHEN?
Sorry, you are not any close to addressing this. The expression is self-explanatory. Simply put; Jesus was the first among what were created. He is a CREATURE. Syncan is the firstborn of every NAIRALANDER. = it’s either you are the eldest among us (NAIRALANDERS) or the first to have registered on NAIRALAND. Whatever is the case, you are a NAIRALANDER. ‘The firstborn of every CREATURE’ implies Jesus is a CREATURE. Ok, I will stop talking what I do not know. JESUS WAS CREATED, that, I know. |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 1:36am On Dec 01, 2014 |
Syncan: Ok, I will try to be quiet. Sir, but here you’re basically saying nothing, for even you, are also a God. Even Demons too, are Gods. Please, IS JESUS THE ALMIGHTY GOD? IS JESUS THE FATHER OF JESUS? |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Nobody: 4:39am On Dec 01, 2014 |
Freksy: correction @bold letters |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by RikoduoSennin(m): 7:09am On Dec 01, 2014 |
TheTerrible: Are you confused because some English bible translators used Capital letter 'G' for the word, and small letter "g' for humans and Satan? Do you know the original greek word for almost everywhere translated God/god/gods are the same! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gen 32:24-30 " and Jacob was left alone; and A MAN wrestle with him until the breaking of the day.......Then he said, Your name shall no more be called Jacob but Isreal for you have striven with God and with men and have prevailed.......So Jacob called the place Penuel saying, For I have seen God Face to Face and yet my life is preserved " QUESTIONS: after reading it in our own bible. 1. Did you notice the capital letters in the word God. 2. Who really did Jacob wrestle with? A man? God? A god? Or a man-God? 3. How did Jacob striven and prevailed over "God and Men" ? 4. Which "God" did Jacob see "Face to Face"? Was it Jesus? The holy spirit? Jehovah ? Or someone else called "God" ? NB: Capital letter 'G' Capital letter 'G' is not the yardstick for knowing which kind of God Jesus is, the bible is- what is written in it, that is. What did Jesus say he is? What did first century christians/Apostles say he is? This are the most important questions to ask and answered concerning this thread. 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Nobody: 8:13am On Dec 01, 2014 |
Syncan:God Bless you sire....... Wanted to comment on that but you've said it all. #RESPECT 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 8:23am On Dec 01, 2014 |
Freksy: Ah, how come you didn't answer the question I asked you. It was there for almost an hour before you posted this, please give me an answer so I can go ahead. Question Again. If Jesus, and not the father created all things, Who was it that in Gen 1:1 created heaven and earth? Who said in Gen 1:3 "let there be light"? Who rested on the seventh day after creating man on the sixth? Your time starts now! |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 9:23am On Dec 01, 2014 |
Syncan: Scriptures plainly show that the Word was God’s agent through whom all other things came into existence. “This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence [size=14pt]through[/size] him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”—Joh 1:2, 3 There is “one God the Father, out of whom all things are, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, [size=14pt]through[/size] whom all things are.” (1Co 8:6) God spoke, and the son acted on each WORD from his father. In other words, God created THROUGH his son, ‘the word’.
THE FATHER SPOKE, THE SON ACTED ON EACH WORD SPOKEN BY HIS FATHER God said: ‘let there be light.’ ‘The son, (the master-worker) moved to action, and there was light‘….. I was master-workman at his side…’ Pr8:30 God rested after creating man, and of course we need not be told that his son, through whom God created man rested too. In the heaven, the son was/is known by the tittle: ‘the word’. A title often describes the function served or the duty performed by the bearer. [size=14pt]QUESTION: Why is God’s Son called “the Word.”? [/size] 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Nobody: 10:08am On Dec 01, 2014 |
RikoduoSennin: go tell the queen of england that I and i are the same. As for me, i reverence Him thats why anytime its in capital and i believe any genuine christian should also do so when refering to any member of the Trinity. If you say you're a genuine christian and that you can refer to Him with both uppercase or lowercase(because it means the same thing) thats your 'cauldron' man! 1. I noticed/saw it 2. I will liken the person that Jacob to the Melchizedek, you cannot say He was an angel, the Personality was definitely God(probably God the Father) but the Bible says any person that sees God will die. True but i also believe that God can change/transform Himself to enable us to see Him because Jesus could also take the shape/body of man. So i would say Jacob saw God in a 'miniature' version. Also take into notice that grace and mercy played an important role in Jacob's life. 3. To answer this question i'll like to give you the meaning of 'strive' and 'prevail' acoording to the OALD 7th edition: 'strive' means 'to try very hard to achieve something' 'prevail' means 'to persuade somebody to do something' so yes Jacob strove and prevailed against men e.g he tried very hard to have esau's birthright and ended up persuading esau to give him  In the aspect of striving and prevailing against God, i would say yes he strove against God, he tried/struggled very hard to keep that man til the break of dawn and also prevailed against God by persuading Him to bless him 4. It was God the Father-if you scroll up you will see why i said he was able to see God the Father despite the fact that whoever sees God will die- that Jacob saw. If you notice from Adam 's time till the beginning of the era of the new testament, God the Father was the one communicating with men, by the time Jesus came, God the Father ceased to be heard because Jesus was communicating with men. Then from the era of acts of the apostles till the second coming of Christ is the time of the Holy Spirit. What did Jesus say He is? Or rather who did Jesus say He is? The answer I'm giving is also my answer to the latter 'question' Jesus said He is the Son of God. WARNING!!!!: Satan is not a God/god rather he is the leader of the fallen angels, he is also a fallen angel. I can't remember anywhere in the Bible saying that satan is or was a God/god rather he is called names prince of persia, angel of light, lucifer, devil, accuser of the brethren, etc |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 10:12am On Dec 01, 2014 |
Syncan: Freksy: God created all things BY USING or THROUGH his son. |
| Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Nobody: 10:27am On Dec 01, 2014 |
Syncan: why the elation? Why is there so much confidence in your post? Or is it because you've been dissecting those who call themselves 'christians' but don't have an in-depth understanding of the Word of God? As to your first question, it was God that created/made the heavens and the earth. 2. It was God the Father that said 'let there be light'. Let me also bring to your notice that Jesus is the Word of God and Holy Spirit is the Power of God. So you can say that God the Father said the Word(= Word of God= Jesus) and light came as a result of His Power(= the Holy Spirit= Spirit of God) so when God said 'let there be light' it is also saying God the Father said 'let there be light', it is also saying God the Son said 'let there be light', it is also saying God the Holy Spirit said 'let there be light'. It was God who rested on the seventh day and who also made man on the sixth. So from my explanation you will deduce that: God = The Trinity = God the Father+God the Son+God the Holy Spirit. |
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