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Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by lepasharon(f): 9:59pm On Dec 07, 2015 |
Lol..my dissetation in Uni is destroying the fallacy called Intelligent design. Even when was religious I never uesd to beleive in Intelligent design 1 Like |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by johnydon22(m): 10:08pm On Dec 07, 2015 |
lepasharon: the greatest flaw in the intelligent design argument is that is presents complexity as a basis for design. It asserts nature is complex therefore must have been designed, forgetting that something intelligent enough to design such complex system would even be more complex than that which it designed. So how come the super complex designer could exist without being designed by another designer but nature that should be less complex must require a designer. If one says the complex intelligent designer don't need another designer, that person has shown complexity doesn't really require a designer and so nullifies all his/her argument. There is no way for it to work.. 8 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by menesheh(m): 1:29am On Dec 08, 2015 |
johnydon22: Logic has always been a god killer 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:50am On Dec 08, 2015 |
menesheh: The dullard strikes again . You idiots use the word logic when you know very little or nothing . God is uncreated and exists in another realm . The universe is said to be caused but the atheists claim its cause is unknown or they don't know - implying there is a factual certainty that it is caused by another realm or higher power - also considering the fact man caused the artificial realm (realm of the machines ) in which his algorithms govern the approaches in getting solutions to problems . When you claim that the logic of an uncreated God is fallacious then you have to prove that the universe is uncaused or needs no designer . Johnydon22 has always claimed natural and artificial complexities differ . Has he considered the supernatural complexity and what stands in truth of it needing no designer ? The same way he claims that we shouldn't compare natural and artificial complexities , then it ought to be the same way we shouldn't compare natural and supernatural complexities . Until he understands the God/supernatural realm , then he has no audacity to question the complexity of the SUPERNATURAL . Its that simple . No need for obfuscation 5 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by menesheh(m): 8:20am On Dec 08, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Small boy, may your god bless you for abusing me unnecessarily. This is real time Christian fundamentalism at play but they always blame muslems. Your only possible saviour is that this is online where distance separate participants. I hope if you meet me one on one, you gats first prostrate yourself b4 me. I can't reason the possibility of you blabbing those trash on me. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by thehomer: 8:37am On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: Who says "everything" is fine-tuned for life on earth? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 8:47am On Dec 08, 2015 |
thehomer:Reality |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 8:50am On Dec 08, 2015 |
johnydon22: It's sad you have cheerleaders for such nonsense. You don't need to dissect the intelligence of the Subaru manufacturer to conclude the Subaru is a product of intelligence. The design in and of itself is sufficient to point to a super intelligent designer regardless of whether the designer was designed or not. The intelligence of the designer is no prerequisite for identifying design. ID is first an eloquent argument against CHANCE and secondly argument for the super intelligence of the designer |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 8:58am On Dec 08, 2015 |
lepasharon: Why not share it and watch it torn to shreds as you watch 1 Like |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 9:08am On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: If the Subaru has an intelligent designer, then that designer must have been designed. Don't you agree? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 9:32am On Dec 08, 2015 |
AlfaSeltzer:Not necessarily. Let's be clear, ID is simply saying 'no chance in hell of chance of doin it'. It is deflecting he strength of the argument by focusing on the designer's origins if at all |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 10:50am On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: Can you articulate please? I see you said "not necessarily". Does it mean that a designer like Enzo Ferrari may not have been designed himself? Please be clear. 2 Likes |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by malvisguy212: 11:11am On Dec 08, 2015 |
johnydon22:ask yourself, what would happen if we required that a successful explanation must itself be explained.? This would lead to an infinite regress of explanations. We would need to have an explanation of the explanation, and an explanation of the explanation of the explanation, and an explanation of the explanation of the explanation of the explanation...thus the we will certainly reach a point were we wouldn't explained anything. Now Johnnydon 22 is this how science work or explained things ? You atheists are not worth replying because you debate with bias attitude , sometimes I wonder ,Are you guys really interlingent as you always claims in your post ? When christians say God is God is the interlingent designer , your questions should not be who design the designer , but Why is God the best explanation for that? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Gayjesus: 11:16am On Dec 08, 2015 |
Since Christians/creationist are claiming everything has a designer,then their god also have a designer we do not know of. It is either god doesn't know it's designer or god doesn't exist at all. 2 Likes |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 11:17am On Dec 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Science can't use god to block questions and reasoning. That's for you religious people. Logic kills the god of gaps because that god keeps receeding as more discoveries are made. God is the best explanation humans have found for things they can't explain. Then as soon as that is explained, more questions pop up and god crops up again. It is a never ending cycle until you see the idea of god for what it is: a scam. 1 Like |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 11:18am On Dec 08, 2015 |
Gayjesus: I believe god is a malfunctioning robot that killed its designer. 2 Likes |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Gayjesus: 11:21am On Dec 08, 2015 |
AlfaSeltzer: You might be right. That might explain its bipolar characteristics displayed by planting an evil tree in a peaceful garden 1 Like |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 11:53am On Dec 08, 2015 |
AlfaSeltzer:I mean let us FIRST deal with the fact that design points to a designer and the nature of the designer or origin is irrelevant to this |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 11:54am On Dec 08, 2015 |
Gayjesus: Those options are a figment of your seminized rectum |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Gayjesus: 12:10pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: Perhaps you do not understand your claim. That a designer created the universe and the creation of the designer cannot be questioned? You will need to explain what/who created the designer to make your point valid |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Gayjesus: 12:17pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: As far as a higher level of understanding which is not clouded by religion is concerned. The universe is reshaping itself every seconds. Science have made us realize that African continent is moving 2cm away from the American continent and it will take them 250 million years to join back and become one. Thus changes are being made every second and this is obviously due to nature. Where is the designer today? 1 Like |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by malvisguy212: 12:22pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
johnydon22:ask your self, what would happen if we required that a successful explanation must itself be explained. This would lead immediately to an infinite regress of explanations. We would need to have an explanation of the explanation, and an explanation of the explanation of the explanation, and an explanation of the explanation of the explanation of the explanation… on into infinity. And thus, we would never be able to explain anything . You know this is not how science work. Here you are abusing the knowledge in science with your own wrong logic. One thing for sure, the universe began to exist , an external cause is responsible for this, yes God did it. But the question should NOT be who designed the designer?” but instead “Why is God the best explanation for that? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 12:23pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Gayjesus:Reshaping is an eternal process, right? You would be lynched in scientific circles for entertaining an eternal universe position |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by malvisguy212: 12:24pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Dp |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Gayjesus: 12:27pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: You always have rude words coming off you. I'm done here! |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 12:27pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Gayjesus:You are deflecting. Disprove this simple proposition; DESIGN rules out CHANCE |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 12:28pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Gayjesus:Don't lock the door behind you |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 12:43pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: Yes, a design points to a designer. So? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 12:48pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: No, it doesn't. See the image below. One might argue that it was "designed" to be exactly like it is but this is not true. Even though the person that made that image was intelligent, the pattern of the splash of paint was completely by chance. The probability of making another exact copy just by splashing paint on paper like the designer did is nearest to zero.
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Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 1:40pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
AlfaSeltzer: You are not far from the truth. Chance can create complexity but ID is more than complexity; it is complexity and ORDER. Read up my posts on why life is not only complex but highly ordered in no way random chance can PS What's so complex about this pattern? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 1:45pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
AlfaSeltzer:Evidence of DESIGN rules out the naturalistic theory of Origins by chance. |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by dalaman: 1:49pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: How did God create life? What did he use in creating the different varieties of life we have on earth? What mechanism did God use in creating the cells of living organisms? How did God create the different races of humans on earth? How did God create the planets and the stars? What did he use in creating the universe from nothing? |
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