reallest:

Am too big to worship anything,only fool worship something

promise10:

Even if you see yourself as too big to worship any god but recognises that there MUST be a creator, which you have said to be allah. It makes SO MUCH sense than atheism!

promise10:

Even if you see yourself as too big to worship any god but recognises that there MUST be a creator, which you have said to be allah. It makes SO MUCH sense than atheism!

promise10:

Even if a trillion times, it still makes sense than to say "there is a creation but no creator....He just POPPED OUT".

shadeyinka:


Plane Satanism in public view

reallest:
where is it

reallest:


I only say dat to taunt him because of his stand against Allah,do u even think I believe Allah create me?

reallest:


I don't know if there is any creator or not but am sure what Bible call creator is not a creator

reallest:


Who is dat creator den

shadeyinka:


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shadeyinka:


What an intelligent response!

The only problem is that you did not factor in Freewill or Volition.

Suppose as a lecturer, I have an amazing power of omniscience and because of that, I instinctively know with 100% accuracy students final exam scores.

Despite my omniscience, which of these two approach is OK for my final scoring and graduation requirements.
1. Should I award final certificate based on my omniscience?
2. Despite my omniscience, should I allow every student to do the examination?

Which is fair approach to the final judgement of the students abilities?

So, you can see see that your premise is flawed

AnonyNymous:

Despite your omniscience, you allow every student to do the exam. That makes sense to you, right? Meaning as you see that student making effort to study, going to extra classes, doing night study, buying coffee to stay awake and so on, its a waste of his energy, because you, in your omniscience, know that he's already going to fail. The same could be said about you going to church to waste your time!

shadeyinka:


The objective my dear is SELECTION!
If my aim is to select the best students for my use, it makes perfect sense.

Fairness demands I give everyone a chance to attempt the examinations.

I cannot be judged preemptively for an offence I never committed.

shadeyinka:

No! It's more like your parents sent you to the medical school knowing that you will face a lot of stress and examinations which the probability of failing is high

shadeyinka:

No! It's more like your parents sent you to the medical school knowing that you will face a lot of stress and examinations which the probability of failing is high

lastmessenger:
There is nothing like brain dead here. I just said a simple statement which nobody can refute. God never said in any place in the bible that he already knows the people destined to go to hell. So lets not say what God did not say.

AnonyNymous:

You're still not.getting where I'm coming from. Why are you selecting if you already know who will end up in heaven and who will not? If the outcome is already 100% certain, and you know it, then there's really no selection because no matter what happens, no matter what they do, the outcome is still going to happen. So you could say that some people who are in church thinking they're devoting their lives to god are wasting their time, because at the end of the day, that outcome that is predestined is still going to happen.

donnffd:


My parents dont lock me in a dungeon they built and flog me everyday for the rest of my life because i failed the exam and say they still love me.

raphieMontella:

how do you explain this bible verse:
Jeremiah 10:23Good News Translation (GNT) 23 Lord, I know that none of us are in charge of our
own destiny;
none of us have control over our own life.




Proverbs 20:24Good News Translation (GNT) 24 The Lord has determined our path; how then can anyone understand the direction his own life is
taking? Good News Translation (GNT)
you can also find similar statements in theses verses....
prov16:4

mark 4:11-12


cc shadeyinka ranchhoddas

shadeyinka:


What an intelligent response!

The only problem is that you did not factor in Freewill or Volition.

Suppose as a lecturer, I have an amazing power of omniscience and because of that, I instinctively know with 100% accuracy students final exam scores.

Despite my omniscience, which of these two approach is OK for my final scoring and graduation requirements.
1. Should I award final certificate based on my omniscience?
2. Despite my omniscience, should I allow every student to do the examination?

Which is fair approach to the final judgement of the students abilities?

So, you can see see that your premise is flawed

shadeyinka:

if its about argument i will drop this thread

raphieMontella:

talk about prov 16:4..it doesnt seem to be about poverty etc.....

Proverbs 16

1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD. note

2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits.

3 Commit thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established. note

4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished. note

shadeyinka:


Who says God is the Parent of everyone.

To those who Believe in His name He gave the Power to become Sons of God...I am sure you have read that before.

God is a God of Everything but He is not the Father of everything. God is the Creator who desires a special trait of His creations He chose to give Free Will or Volition.

When a person is NOT useful to God, He is discarded into Gods refuse Dump.

It should be easy to understand:
Suppose as a scientist, you genetically produced some bacterias who were designed to boost the immune system of cows. Now after building these bacteria's you discover that the bacteria's even though ALL have capabilities to do your bidden, only a few consistently do it.

Would it be wrong to filter these bacteria's for your purpose?
Should you keep the useless bacteria's as a trophy or destroy them?

The concept of forever is NOT as in the earth's tick tock time. In eternity, time doesn't exist so here on earth, it looks like billions of years but in actual sense, time doesn't exist.

God loves the World in a generic sense: many are called but few are chosen.. SELECTION!

I guess you understand this above:
If God is as great as He is described then we will be like viruses compared to Him

Any Question?

Jesuobu:
lolz.. It's the problem they created for themselves. Since they can't do anything about it, the should live with the fear. Only a fool ignores the truth even when he knows it is the truth. If they want to insult, they should because I love to be insulted but nothing will stop me from preaching the truth.

shadeyinka:


I guess you are mixing two things up.
There is a difference BTW Predestination and Foreknowledge.

In predestination: it is devinely fixed that a person irrespective of what he does is going to heaven or hell

In Foreknowledge: the final destination of a person depends on his choices. The only deference is that the outcome is known by God before hand.

Omniscience is NOT about predestination, it is about foreknowledge and Human Will or Volition is involved.

shadeyinka:


I guess you are mixing two things up.
There is a difference BTW Predestination and Foreknowledge.

In predestination: it is devinely fixed that a person irrespective of what he does is going to heaven or hell

In Foreknowledge: the final destination of a person depends on his choices. The only deference is that the outcome is known by God before hand.

Omniscience is NOT about predestination, it is about foreknowledge and Human Will or Volition is involved.

AnonyNymous:

So in other words, he doesn't know what they're going to use their free will to do?

Lennycool:

Ah but then why would you be surprised when a student failed, as God was when Adam and eve ate the fruit, or show anger and chase some of the students out of the hall, like God's extermination with the flood. If you wanted to allow them finish the test, why interrupt the process, why send expo in the form of Jesus. You see your argument was flawed from onset.

donnffd:


Yes bro, i do have lot of questions

If God wanted to use us for something, why did he give us freewill in the first place?

donnffd:

If God wants to discard the unuseful bunch, why doesnt he destroy them, why must he torture them for all of eternity?

donnffd:

If he wants us to serve him, why did he keep himself in hiding for 13.8billion years?

donnffd:

Why is God so egocentric that he needs you praise and worship to reward you and if you dont give him that, he punishes you, isnt that petty?, he is the creator of the universe as you would claim, i feel the creator of the universe should have better things to do than to keep a tab of those who dont worship him!

AnonyNymous:

So in other words, he doesn't know what they're going to use their free will to do?

Julian08:
Did your god not create everything including he'll?
Did he not create the criteria by which souls will be judged?

Is there anything that goes on without his knowledge or that he doesn't have the power to influence?

So if people go to hell isn't he responsible for that? Because he had the power to stop that but didn't or perhaps, he just wanted them to go there after all.