@ Op so far you are right. Deut chp 14 vs 29 is what i practice and abide with. God has finally revealed the same message to both of us

petra1:


Why not ? It's an eternal principle . Just like offering , prayers ,almsgiving etc.

Can you answer this question? Do you steal because you're not under the law? . Do you kill and covet ?

Do you know what is means to be a levite?
(1) A levite is wholely dedicated to the service of God
(2) A levite must be from the tribe of Levi, even Jesus Christ was not qualified to collect tithe while on earth because he was not from the tribe of Levi.
(3) Levites do not own landed properties, houses, businesses or investments because God is their inheritance.

Now, which Nigerian pastor is qualified to replace the levite and collect tithe from Christians?
If tithing was that important, why didn't Jesus Christ who is our perfect example teach us to practice it. The early church did not practice it, even the apostles did not write in any of their epistles about it.

Joavid:
wow. I love this thread.

first religious Christian thread that makes sense.

As in really educative and devoid of usual insults...to be sincere I've learnt a lot today

ilynem:

God gave a rule, obey it. If our pastors use it to satisfy selfish needs, God is the judge. You pay tax whether the government Channels your tax to the right thing or embezzles it. It doesn't stop you from paying tax because it's a law. Same goes with tithe paying.

"God" also gave lots of "rules" in the Old Testament. I'm sure you're still bound by all of them.

kolaish:
WHY DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE PROBLEM WITH PAYING TITHE? IT IS VOLUNTARY AND NO PASTOR HAS EVER FORCED ANYBODY TO PAY. SO, WHY THE NOISE ALWAYS ABOUT TITHE? IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT, WHY NOT ASK/CONFRONT YOUR PASTOR ABOUT IT OR LOOK FOR A CHURCH WHERE U WILL NOT BE ASKED TO PAY TITHE.

You don't need to type in capital letters it is call shouting online. we can still see your message even in lower case

DeKen:

Numbers 18:21-30Amplified Bible (AMP)

21 “Behold, I have given the Levites all the tithe in Israel as an inheritance, in return for their service which they perform, the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle). 22 The Israelites shall never again approach the Tent of Meeting [the covered sanctuary, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies], or they [who do] will incur sin and die. 23 Only the Levites shall perform the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle), and they shall bear their iniquity; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that the Levites shall have no inheritance [of land] among the children of Israel. 24 But the tithe of the Israelites, which they present as an offering to the Lord, I have given to the Levites as an inheritance; therefore I have said to them, ‘They shall [a]have no inheritance among the children of Israel.’”

The pastors you pay tithe to in Nigeria, are they livites?

The pastors you pay tithe to in Nigeria, do they own and inherit lands? Do their children inherit their church after them?

The pastors you pay tithe to in Nigeria, do they perform the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle)?

Is the levitical order of priesthood still in existence in Christianity?

DeKen:

Numbers 18:21-30Amplified Bible (AMP)

21 “Behold, I have given the Levites all the tithe in Israel as an inheritance, in return for their service which they perform, the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle). 22 The Israelites shall never again approach the Tent of Meeting [the covered sanctuary, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies], or they [who do] will incur sin and die. 23 Only the Levites shall perform the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle), and they shall bear their iniquity; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that the Levites shall have no inheritance [of land] among the children of Israel. 24 But the tithe of the Israelites, which they present as an offering to the Lord, I have given to the Levites as an inheritance; therefore I have said to them, ‘They shall [a]have no inheritance among the children of Israel.’”

God bless you

ilynem:

Dunno why everyone is quoting me on this tithe thing now. It's a very old thread and i don't think I have the stomach to argue on this anymore. Will just point out two things though from your post.
1. Paying Tithe came before the law. It wasn't a law set up by Moses.
2. It is not out of compulsion.

Stipulating a percentage of income demands a minimum payment as benchmark . Get a better understanding of compulsion.

When you give all your income(100%) or any amount with a happy heart then that is not compulsion.

Have you noticed that Africans and African Americans are the greatest tithers and remain the most economically disadvantaged people. Do the maths. God does not bless you because of your tithe or is there any devourer that will take your blessing for not tithing.

The devourer will have power to visit you for not tithing love or sowing love but For preaching hate and inciting violence against the teaching of Christ.

He blesses you for your sacrifice which he may also choose to reject like Cain's. Other races are making sacrifices for the advancement of mankind and they have their nations as proof. See Africa. God cursed it no doubt for things like brother ripping brother off in his name.

I used to be a tither. Check my old posts where I preached that people should tithe. I have seen the light.

keeping giving your hard earn money to those your overfed pastors in the name of tithe while some of you can't help your neighbors who are really in need of help

Stingy people.

Naturally, human beings find it difficult to give. Giving is painful that's why it should be a thing done with love.

God gave his only son. What can you give to God.

It is in giving that you receive. No man receive anything except it is given him.

The world don't want those who are children of God to have anything. They don't want the church to be rich,

You see Christians are now rich. They are able to own media houses which helps is spreading the gospel. Diluting the effects of evil programs from the media house.

The enemy stole the schools. Immorality was planted. God helped the Christians, they now own schools cultism and other vices are finding it difficult to thrive.

Christian are building industries.

The enemy has found the way to attack this.

THE OBJECTIVE : TO TAKE WEALTH AWAY FROM CHRISTIANS.

When they question every form of giving, they stop giving, then wealth is taken away. They think it's the pastors that are poor. NO!!!!!!!.

They question why we should give to build churches etc. When we don't build churches, the devil will build demonic and sin camps.

The enemy knows the truth and desperately wants this wealth exchange.

WHEN I HAPPENS, JUST LIKE THE STORY OF THE PHILISTINES AND THE ISRAELITE WHO WENT TO SHARPEN THEIR SWORDS IN THE CAMP OF THE ENEMY.

Christians do not allow the devil succeed with wealth exchange through anti giving campaigns.

A word is enough for the wise.

Inasmuch the Bible states that the tithes should be paid to the levites, it is wisdom to obey the words of God, why is it that we contend with giving to God but are quick to claim abrahamic blessings and other blessings of God? The truth is that, nobody will force you to do what you don't believe in but know that it's a two way thing. "give and it shall be given unto you", thats a simple ideology abt God that i know has never n will never change of fail.

Now, do we pay tithe from our basic salary or from the net pay (including allowances)?

Make una just dey carry another person headache about just to justify your confused soul about TITHE.

fortunejum:
Now, do we pay tithe from our basic salary or from the net pay (including allowances)?

Can you read?

southpole:

You don't need to type in capital letters it is call shouting online. we can still see your message even in lower case

YES OF COURSE, I TYPED IT ON CAPITAL TO SHOUT IT/EMPHASIZE ON IT. STOP BRINGING ISSUES OF TITHE AND PAY MORE ATTENTION TO MORE SERIOUS ISSUES. IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED MORE THAN ENOUGH IN D PAST BY NAIRALANDERS.

seunmsg:


The pastors you pay tithe to in Nigeria, are they livites?

The pastors you pay tithe to in Nigeria, do they own and inherit lands? Do their children inherit their church after them?

The pastors you pay tithe to in Nigeria, do they perform the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle)?

Is the levitical order of priesthood still in existence in Christianity?

1 Corinthians 9:7-14New International Version (NIV)

7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk? 8 Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”[a] Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10 Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?

But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

ilynem:

Exactly. Jesus condemned the manner it was paid but never said it was wrong to pay it. Two different things.

remember this people Jesus was addressing were strictly under the law of moses

CecyAdrian:


Are our men present day men of God descendants of Levites to be collecting tithe and moreover, I thought the death of Jesus Christ put an end to all these laws?

1 Corinthians 9:7-14New International Version (NIV)

7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk? 8 Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”[a] Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10 Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?

But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

Enasuarez:


Dear writer, don't mistaken giving of alms to tithing. The word of God standeth sure. Malachi 3 vs 10-11, God was trying to tell us that the key to kingdom prosperity lies in tithing. He said and I shall open the windows of heaven and pour you blessings and devourers rebuked as a result of your obedience. Don't be concern about who takes the tithe, but be concerned about His faithfulness to fulfilling His promises. if you don't give your tithe, things would be tight for you and devourers would come in different forms of wasting to swallow your finances. Take it nor leave it, tithing averts calamities and opens doors of sweatless blessings to addicted tithers. So learn to be an addicted tither not a mocker of the written word.

Lol, here come the typical Nigerian pastor so what about those rich people that are not Christians or do not know the meaning of tithe. And also what about the Christians who tithe regularly but are still poor or struggling with one hardship or the other??

You need help with this kind of mindset. You better read your bible well and stop listening to a con men

The Question is will I recive blessings if I give a donation or seed money to a church or ministry?
No. There is no requirement in the bible to give "seed money to a church,preacher or ministry, and no promise that any wealth or other blessings of any kind will come as a result. Verses like matthew 13:1-19 and 2 corinthians 9:6-11 are sometimes cited to support request for seed money or other donations, but the blessings promised here are spiritual blessings, not material blessings.

The bible does urge us to be generous with our wealth and time. However, any claim that wealth, health, good fortune or blessings will come as a result of a donation should be looked at with suspicion.

Tithes means a tenth or 10 percent. The tithes system described in the bible was designed specifically to meet the needs of the religious, economics and political system of ancient Israel. Each of the twelve tribes of Israel, except the tribe of levi, initially received an allotment of land in the promised land of canaan. The levites were assistants to Israel's priest and were supported by a tithe offering from other eleven tribes. All families of those eleven tribes were to give a tenth of all produce, flocks, and cattle to the levites. In turn, the levites were to give a tenth of that to support the priests.(Leviticus 27: 30-33. Numbers 18: 21-23)
Tithes were also used to meet the needs of foreigners, orphans and widows. (Deuteronomy 26:12-13)

The Question is will I recive blessings if I give a donation or seed money to a church or ministry?
No. There is no requirement in the bible to give "seed money to a church,preacher or ministry, and no promise that any wealth or other blessings of any kind will come as a result. Verses like matthew 13:1-19 and 2 corinthians 9:6-11 are sometimes cited to support request for seed money or other donations, but the blessings promised here are spiritual blessings, not material blessings.

The bible does urge us to be generous with our wealth and time. However, any claim that wealth, health, good fortune or blessings will come as a result of a donation should be looked at with suspicion.

DeKen:

1 Corinthians 9:7-14New International Version (NIV)

7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk? 8 Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”[a] Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10 Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?

But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

Was there anywhere in those scriptures you quoted it was stated that we should pay tithe to them?? Definitely those who preach the gospel are entitled to anything given for the gospel, be it offering or gift. But are we supposed to pay tithe to them?

CecyAdrian:


In that verse Jesus even condemned the manner in which tithe was favoured instead justice, mercy and faith, He even likened it to one cleaning the outside of th dish while the inside is dirty.

That verse you quoted ends with "These you ought to have done without leaving the others undone". It tells you tithe is a must because you are not suppose to leave the others(tithe inclusive) undone.

DeKen:

1 Corinthians 9:7-14New International Version (NIV)

7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk? 8 Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”[a] Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10 Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?

But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.
[b]
13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? [/b]14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

Nice try but you did not answer any of my questions.

In fulfilment of the part in bold, did Jesus Christ or any of his disciples collect tithe from their followers during their ministration on earth?

seguno2:

Can you read?

Professor ,Stay clear from my post.

CecyAdrian:


Lol, Jesus condemned the manner in which it was paid, because much emphasis was laid on it just like the present church is doing now, instead of other things, like this pastors laying emphasis on justice, mercy and faith.

When you read through that chapter, his annoyance towards it shows he was not a fan of it.

I disagree . . .

Junia:


They were still under the law at that time
Christians are not under the law
Tithing was not money but agricultural products
Jesus didnt pay tithe neither did His disciples because they had no agricultural products
The tithe was for the levites .. priests .. widows etc
Now we Christians are the royal priesthood
Who are we paying tithes to ??

Oga stop confusing yourself with all these under law and not under law. Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, Job paid tithe also, they were obeying God and during their days there were no law, law started during the era of moses. Don't use because of the attitude of the gullible multitude to disobey God period. I was using this law thing as a defence to my stupidity until I understood well.

Emulti:


Do you know what is means to be a levite?
(1) A levite is wholely dedicated to the service of God
(2) A levite must be from the tribe of Levi, even Jesus Christ was not qualified to collect tithe while on earth because he was not from the tribe of Levi.
(3) Levites do not own landed properties, houses, businesses or investments because God is their inheritance.

Now, which Nigerian pastor is qualified to replace the levite and collect tithe from Christians?
If tithing was that important, why didn't Jesus Christ who is our perfect example teach us to practice it. The early church did not practice it, even the apostles did not write in any of their epistles about it.

Good question!! Some members even boast of the G.O's owing oil wells

Sibrah:
I disagree . . .

Why?

ndcide:
Stingy people.

Naturally, human beings find it difficult to give. Giving is painful that's why it should be a thing done with love.

God gave his only son. What can you give to God.

It is in giving that you receive. No man receive anything except it is given him.

The world don't want those who are children of God to have anything. They don't want the church to be rich,

You see Christians are now rich. They are able to own media houses which helps is spreading the gospel. Diluting the effects of evil programs from the media house.

The enemy stole the schools. Immorality was planted. God helped the Christians, they now own schools cultism and other vices are finding it difficult to thrive.

Christian are building industries.

The enemy has found the way to attack this.

THE OBJECTIVE : TO TAKE WEALTH AWAY FROM CHRISTIANS.

When they question every form of giving, they stop giving, then wealth is taken away. They think it's the pastors that are poor. NO!!!!!!!.

They question why we should give to build churches etc. When we don't build churches, the devil will build demonic and sin camps.

The enemy knows the truth and desperately wants this wealth exchange.

WHEN I HAPPENS, JUST LIKE THE STORY OF THE PHILISTINES AND THE ISRAELITE WHO WENT TO SHARPEN THEIR SWORDS IN THE CAMP OF THE ENEMY.

Christians do not allow the devil succeed with wealth exchange through anti giving campaigns.

A word is enough for the wise.

What are you even saying??

petra1:


No you're wrong . There were 2 major tithes in Israel . Actually 3 . But majorly 2 . The first one is the yearly tithes Which goes to the priesthood esclusively every year. While the other is every 3 years . And also the tithes that is eaten in a feast is different from the tithes given to God .

Deuteronomy 14:22
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

Numbers 18:21
21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Leviticus 27:30
30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

The second one is every 3 years which is shared .

Deuteronomy 14:28
28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

The third one is for family to cover for the feast expenses or so . I will double check on this . The tithes that is eaten in a feast is different from the tithes given to God

Bros tithe is tithe. So far its one- tenth of your gain or your yield. All tithes are sacred and should be given to God either through feeding the needy, widows, sick or helping in building the house of God.
Also tithe can be weekly, monthly, yearly, bi-anually or perennially depending on the time when your harvest or yield comes.
We have only one God , he passes his messages in different ways but he means just one simple thing
TITHE IS TITHE BROS!

ilynem:

God gave a rule, obey it. If our pastors use it to satisfy selfish needs, God is the judge. You pay tax whether the government Channels your tax to the right thing or embezzles it. It doesn't stop you from paying tax because it's a law. Same goes with tithe paying.

But the rule of God did not specify that you must pay it to pastor, it says the levite, the fatherless, the widow and the stranger. In a nutshell, all this group has equal and same right to it.
Why give it to pastor only?

Sibrah:
That verse you quoted ends with "These you ought to have done without leaving the others undone". It tells you tithe is a must because you are not suppose to leave the others(tithe inclusive) undone.

But it's not the most important. Moreover did Jesus and his disciples who were equally preachers of the gospel ever demand for tithe?

They survived on gifts that their members gave them, they never demanded for tithe.