adanny01:


I particularly have no problem with money as tithe as theste days most people dont have agriicultural produce so it only make sence to use money. However, Deut 14: 24-26 says

So we can use money to buy whatever and use those items as tithe as described.

You can use your tithe to buy strong drink like red label and hennessey. It is perfectly acceptable to God.

CecyAdrian:


I believe what I read in the bible and not what some Rabbi who obviously was trying to defend his source of income.

It's there in the bible white and black, God is not the author of confusion.

I'm really impressed by all those your comments and responses on 1st page of this thread.....highly intelligent without being argumentative.
I was just clicking 'Like' dey go on all your 1st page comments... lol

petra1:
Even Jewish Rabbis will tell you there were different tithes. This article

Find the link below: ht t p://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/tithing/

The Jewish Rabbis also say:
''the laws of tithing only apply to the land of Israel, and farmers in the Diaspora have no obligation to give tithes''

CecyAdrian:
I believe what I read in the bible and not what some Rabbi who obviously was trying to defend his source of income.

It's there in the bible white and black, God is not the author of confusion.

Did you notice in the article petra1 provided, stating that:

According to the Rabbis, the laws of tithing only apply to the land of Israel, and farmers in the Diaspora have no obligation to give tithes...
Moreover the purpose of tithing, for the upkeep of the priests and Levites, has no meaning nowadays

petra1:
Why not ? It's an eternal principle. Just like offering, prayers, almsgiving etc.

Can you answer this question? Do you steal because you're not under the law. Do you kill and covet?

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
- Romans 8:2 KJV

All laws, effectively, are eternal principles
The law of gravity is an eternal principle, just as the law of aerodynamics too, is an eternal principle
The law of sin (e.g. tithing) is an eternal principle, just as the law of the spirit (e.g. under no compulsion, cheerful giving) too is an eternal principle

Now, you render one law redundant (e.g. the law of sin; tithing)
by the operation of a superior law (e.g. law of the spirit; under no compulsion, cheerful giving)

Besides the above, why do you think God laid claim to tithe from the ISRAELITES,
demanding that the tithe of everything from the land,
whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to Him, is His right and is His due?
What's your verse apart from Leviticus 27:30, proves that God can lay claim and assert rights to tithe on the land of ISRAEL?

annunaki2:
Where in the bible is tithes called an eternal principle
and why is biblical tithing different from the fraudulent type preached in churches today?

annunaki2 asks him does he fly in planes?
Ask him, why doesnt the law of the force of gravity operate when he travels in aeroplanes?

petra1:
It's a matter of choice.
People did gave Money as tithes and offerings in the Bible days.
For example the man that rears dogs or horses can't bring them to the temple because they are termed unclean
but he can give money equivalent.
Also wounded animals could be redeemed with money.
And lastly people do give money of their gains as tithes and offering

Leviticus 27:30-31 (KJV)
30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.
31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.

Leviticus 27:27 (KJV)
27 And if it be of an unclean beast, then he shall redeem it according to thine estimation, and shall add a fifth part of it thereto: or if it be not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to thy estimation.

Matthew 23:23 (NLT)
23 . . . .For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Luke 18:12 (AMPC)
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.

The point is that they gave cash of their income in cash

This is a lie to from the pit of hell
Cash (i.e. money) was ONLY given as a form of penalty when redeeming any of the tithe

And we all know what REDEEM means. Right?
REDEEM means to buy back the tithe, as in to pay the price of the tithe.
Only that you dont just pay the price of the tithe, you'll also have to add 20% to the price value of the tithe

Junia:
Okay i agree with it

Dont let him barrage you, with his misleading information, into agreeing him
You dont know this guy
He really knows how to spins yarns about tithing

His desire for filthy lucre makes him conflate Abraham tithing (i.e. this tithe wasnt commanded nor demanded for, by God)
with the ISRAELITES tithing (i.e. this tithe was commanded and demanded by God from the ISRAELITES)

…²⁴"If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe,
since the place where the LORD your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the LORD your God blesses you,
²⁵then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses.
²⁶"You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires:
for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires;
and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.…
- Deuteronomy 14:24-26

³⁰“One tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord and must be set apart to him as holy.
³¹If you want to redeem buy back the Lord’s tenth of the grain or fruit, you must pay its value, plus 20 percent.
³²Count off every tenth animal from your herds and flocks and set them apart for the Lord as holy
- Leviticus 27:30-32

With the tithe commanded by God and demanded from the ISRAELITE, money comes into the equation ONLY on 2 occasions or for 2 reasons
(i.e. a Deuteronomy 14:24-26 reason or a Leviticus 27:30-32 reason)

If an ISRAELITE wanted to keep his tithe of cows worth N1,000, he could buy them back by paying the cash value of the tithe with a surcharge
In this case pay N1,000+N200, where N200 is from 20% of N1000 and is the surcharge and penalty for not wanting to hand over the original tithe

God never was into money or cash tithe, tithes were paid in agricultural produce (e.g. farming, cultivating soil, producing crops and raising livestock)
The ISRAELITE that paid tithe, in cash or money, would have had to pay on top of the tithe value, also a 20% surcharge penalty for this liberty

.

CecyAdrian:
While reading through the scripture one day, I came across rules and regulations concerning tithe in Deuteronomy , I was shocked because I never knew that the issue of tithe was talked about anywhere else excerpt in Malachi 3:8. Now, when you take a look at Deuteronomy 14 when God was giving the children of Israelite rules and regulations, God explained the concept or reason for tithe to them and gave them rules to abide in regards to it, from verse 22 downwards explains it so well.

Then you also go to Deuteronomy 26:12 downwards, the same rule was also repeated, and an very sure that the reason why God said that we should bring our tithes and offering in Malachi 3: 10 was for the actualization of his rules and regulation in Deuteronomy, which is feeding the Levites, poor, widows and the needy in the society

So, now I ask, why do pastors prefer Malachi even to the extent of twisting it to favour their aims instead of giving their church members the full concept, rules and regulations regarding tithing which the Lord commanded in Deuteronomy.

God bless you sister!! Religion is just bleeped up!

ilynem:

God gave a rule, obey it. If our pastors use it to satisfy selfish needs, God is the judge. You pay tax whether the government Channels your tax to the right thing or embezzles it. It doesn't stop you from paying tax because it's a law. Same goes with tithe paying.

i won't obey it. i will use it to satisfy selfish needs. God is the judge.

Junia:


Didnt Moses come before Job ??
Was Abrahams tithe his income ??

Neither the book of Job nor any other book of the Bible indicates forthrightly when God’s servant Job lived upon the Earth. Furthermore, no biblical genealogies with chronological information, such as that found in Genesis 5 and 11, help in approximating the century in which Job lived. Nevertheless, various clues within the book of Job seem to indicate Job lived sometime after the Flood, but long before the time of Moses.

First, Job’s postdiluvian status seems apparent from a question Eliphaz raised in his final speech. While accusing Job of wickedness, Eliphaz asked: “Will you keep to the old way which wicked men have trod, who were cut down before their time, whose foundations were swept away by a flood?” (Job 22:16, emp. added). As Wayne Jackson noted: “That this is a reference to the Flood of Noah’s day is almost universally conceded by scholars” (1983, p. 58).

Second, that Job was a patriarch who lived prior to the time of Moses, and probably closer to the time of Abraham, seems evident from the following facts:

Like other patriarchs of old (Genesis 8:20; 12:7-8; 31:54), Job, as the head of his family, offered up sacrifices to God (Job 1:5; cf. 42:. In the book of Job, there is no mention of the Levitical priesthood, the tabernacle, the temple, the Law of Moses, etc.

Unlike Israelite law, where the family inheritance was passed on to daughters only in the absence of sons (Numbers 27:1-11; 36:1-13), Job gave his daughters “an inheritance among their brothers” (Job 42:15).

Job’s material wealth was measured, not in money, but in the amount of livestock he owned (Job 1:3; 42:12), which is more characteristic of patriarchal times.

Finally, that Job lived long before the time of Moses seems evident by the fact that the longevity of his life is more comparable to the long lives of the patriarchs who lived around 2200 B.C. The book of Job reveals that Job lived long enough to marry, become “the greatest of all the men of the east” (1:3), and then witness his first 10 children reach at least the age of accountability (1:5), and probably much greater ages (cf. 1:13,18). Then, after suffering greatly, losing all of his children and his material wealth, God blessed Job with 10 more children and twice as much wealth (42:10-13). The book of Job then concludes: “After this Job lived one hundred and forty years, and saw his children and grandchildren for four generations. So Job died, old and full of days” (42:10-17, emp. added). Thus, it would appear that Job lived well into his 200s or beyond. Interestingly, the Septuagint testifies that Job died at the age of 240—an age more comparable to the ancestors of Abraham (e.g., Serug, Abraham’s great-grandfather lived to be 230—Genesis 11:22-23).

REFERENCES

Jackson, Wayne (1983), The Book of Job (Abilene, TX: Quality Publications).

Abraham's tithe was from what he earned from war? Do they have paid jobs then?
Do you know that studying the bible and reading the bible are two very distinct actions.

MuttleyLaff:
The Jewish Rabbis also say:
''the laws of tithing only apply to the land of Israel, and farmers in the Diaspora have no obligation to give tithes''

Did you notice in the article petra1 provided, stating that:

According to the Rabbis, the laws of tithing only apply to the land of Israel, and farmers in the Diaspora have no obligation to give tithes...

Moreover the purpose of tithing, for the upkeep of the priests and Levites, has no meaning nowadays

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
- Romans 8:2 KJV

All laws, effectively, are eternal principles
The law of gravity is an eternal principle, just as the law of aerodynamics too, is an eternal principle
The law of sin (e.g. tithing) is an eternal principle, just as the law of the spirit (e.g. under no compulsion, cheerful giving) too is an eternal principle

Now, you render one law redundant (e.g. the law of sin; tithing)
by the operation of a superior law (e.g. law of the spirit; under no compulsion, cheerful giving)

Besides the above, why do you think God laid claim to tithe from the ISRAELITES,
demanding that the tithe of everything from the land,
whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to Him, is His right and is His due?
What's your verse apart from Leviticus 27:30, proves that God can lay claim and assert rights to tithe on the land of ISRAEL?

annunaki2 asks him does he fly in planes?
Why doesnt the law of the force of gravity operate

This is a lie to from the pit of hell
Cash (i.e. money) was ONLY given as a form of penalty when redeeming any of the tithe

And we all know what REDEEM means. Right?
REDEEM means to buy back the tithe, as in to pay the price of the tithe.
Only that you dont just pay the price of the tithe, you also add 20% to price value of the tithe

Dont let him barrage you, with his misleading information, into agreeing him
You dont know this guy
He really knows how to spins yarns about tithing

His desire for filthy lucre makes him conflate Abraham tithing (i.e. this tithe wasnt commanded nor demanded for, by God)
with the ISRAELITES tithing (i.e. this tithe was commanded and demanded by God from the ISRAELITES)

…²⁴"If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe,
since the place where the LORD your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the LORD your God blesses you,
²⁵then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses.
²⁶"You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires:
for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires;
and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.…
- Deuteronomy 14:24-26

³⁰“One tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord and must be set apart to him as holy.
³¹If you want to redeem buy back the Lord’s tenth of the grain or fruit, you must pay its value, plus 20 percent.
³²Count off every tenth animal from your herds and flocks and set them apart for the Lord as holy
- Leviticus 27:30-32

With the tithe commanded by God and demanded from the ISRAELITE, money comes into the equation ONLY on 2 occasions or for 2 reasons
(i.e. a Deuteronomy 14:24-26 reason or a Leviticus 27:30-32 reason)

If an ISRAELITE wanted to keep his tithe of cows worth N1,000, he could buy them back by paying the cash value of the tithe with a surcharge
In this case pay N1,000+N200, where N200 is from 20% of N1000 and is the surcharge and penalty for not wanting to hand over the original tithe

God never was into money or cash tithe, tithes were paid in agricultural produce (e.g. farming, cultivating soil, producing crops and raising livestock)
The ISRAELITE that paid tithe, in cash or money, would have had to pay on top of the tithe value, also a 20% surcharge penalty for this liberty

I only agree with the fact that his tithe was not only agricultural products
Buh i know God didnt actually want money
I dont buy the idea of paying tithe

BERNIMOORE:
The coming of Jesus NOT THROUGH TRIBE OF LEVITES BUT RATHER tribe of Judah "a tribe that is unworthy and not chosen to officiate as priesthood" NULLIFIED ANY BASIS FOR TODAY PASTORS TO LEGITIMATELY RECEIVE TITHES, our oversabi pastors should take note. That they are receiving tithes ILLEGITIMATELY to their own peril. HEBREW 7: 5, 14,


5. AND INDEED THOSE WHO ARE OF THE SONS OF LEVI, WHO RECEIVE THE PRIESTHOOD, HAVE A COMMANDMENT TO RECEIVE TITHES FROM THE PEOPLE ACCORDING TO THE LAW, THAT IS, FROM THEIR BRETHREN, THOUGH THEY HAVE COME FROM THE LOINS OF ABRAHAM;

14 FOR IT IS EVIDENT THAT ]OUR LORD AROSE FROM JUDAH, OF WHICH TRIBE MOSES SPOKE NOTHING CONCERNING PRIESTHOOD]

pastors collecting tithes now HAVE NO LEGITIMATE BASIS is an undisputable fact!

Movingcoil:

Neither the book of Job nor any other book of the Bible indicates forthrightly when God’s servant Job lived upon the Earth. Furthermore, no biblical genealogies with chronological information, such as that found in Genesis 5 and 11, help in approximating the century in which Job lived. Nevertheless, various clues within the book of Job seem to indicate Job lived sometime after the Flood, but long before the time of Moses.

First, Job’s postdiluvian status seems apparent from a question Eliphaz raised in his final speech. While accusing Job of wickedness, Eliphaz asked: “Will you keep to the old way which wicked men have trod, who were cut down before their time, whose foundations were swept away by a flood?” (Job 22:16, emp. added). As Wayne Jackson noted: “That this is a reference to the Flood of Noah’s day is almost universally conceded by scholars” (1983, p. 58).

Second, that Job was a patriarch who lived prior to the time of Moses, and probably closer to the time of Abraham, seems evident from the following facts:

Like other patriarchs of old (Genesis 8:20; 12:7-8; 31:54), Job, as the head of his family, offered up sacrifices to God (Job 1:5; cf. 42:. In the book of Job, there is no mention of the Levitical priesthood, the tabernacle, the temple, the Law of Moses, etc.

Unlike Israelite law, where the family inheritance was passed on to daughters only in the absence of sons (Numbers 27:1-11; 36:1-13), Job gave his daughters “an inheritance among their brothers” (Job 42:15).

Job’s material wealth was measured, not in money, but in the amount of livestock he owned (Job 1:3; 42:12), which is more characteristic of patriarchal times.

Finally, that Job lived long before the time of Moses seems evident by the fact that the longevity of his life is more comparable to the long lives of the patriarchs who lived around 2200 B.C. The book of Job reveals that Job lived long enough to marry, become “the greatest of all the men of the east” (1:3), and then witness his first 10 children reach at least the age of accountability (1:5), and probably much greater ages (cf. 1:13,18). Then, after suffering greatly, losing all of his children and his material wealth, God blessed Job with 10 more children and twice as much wealth (42:10-13). The book of Job then concludes: “After this Job lived one hundred and forty years, and saw his children and grandchildren for four generations. So Job died, old and full of days” (42:10-17, emp. added). Thus, it would appear that Job lived well into his 200s or beyond. Interestingly, the Septuagint testifies that Job died at the age of 240—an age more comparable to the ancestors of Abraham (e.g., Serug, Abraham’s great-grandfather lived to be 230—Genesis 11:22-23).

REFERENCES

Jackson, Wayne (1983), The Book of Job (Abilene, TX: Quality Publications).

Abraham's tithe was from what he earned from war? Do they have paid jobs then?
Do you know that studying the bible and reading the bible are two very distinct actions.

So did Job pay tithe ??
Was the tithe money ??

ilynem:

God gave a rule, obey it. If our pastors use it to satisfy selfish needs, God is the judge. You pay tax whether the government Channels your tax to the right thing or embezzles it. It doesn't stop you from paying tax because it's a law. Same goes with tithe paying.

Even if the pastor is leading you astray keep obeying him,but bear in mind the judgment day your pastor will not stand by you.
You'll find it easy to obey tithing rules from your pastors because it is associated with getting wealth from God,what about other rules like fornication,cheating,stealing e.t.c are you also keeping them?

DonX001:


I'm really impressed by all those your comments and responses on 1st page of this thread.....highly intelligent without being argumentative.
I was just clicking 'Like' dey go on all your 1st page comments... lol

Lol, thanks

because people are afraid of curses.

Junia:
I only agree with the fact that his tithe was not only agricultural products

The tithe commanded by God explicitly was about agricultural products
Money comes into the equation, only if you want to buy back the tithe, and that's when, you pay the price value plus one fifth the price value
This is the only time money is exchanged for tithe with the Levites

Junia:
Buh I know God didnt actually want money

Money wasnt in deal Jacob made with God
and that's why God wasnt demanding for money
Money wasnt in the ''deal'' struck with God, at Bethel, by Jacob aka Israel

Junia:
I dont buy the idea of paying tithe

Why not?
What are all your exhaustive reasons why you dont buy the idea of paying tithe

MuttleyLaff:
The tithe commanded by God explicitly was about agricultural products
Money comes into the equation, only if you want to buy back the tithe, and that's when, you pay the price value plus one fifth the price value
This is the only time money is exchanged for tithe with the Levites

Money wasnt in deal Jacob made with God
and that's why God wasnt demanding for money
Money wasnt in the ''deal'' struck with God, at Bethel, by Jacob aka Israel

Why not?
What are all your exhaustive reasons why you dont buy the idea of paying tithe

Who should i tithe to ??
What should i tithe ??
Christians are not under the law ??
Jesus didnt pay tithe ??
His disciples didnt pay tithe ??
There was no where in the Bible where the early church paid tithe ??
Neither Paul nor the other apostles taught about tithing though they taught about giving

Sibrah:
What Jesus was saying that verse is that they were not paying enough attention to those other things. That doesn't make tithe any less important than they were treating it. Re-read Mathew 23:23 again please.

Are we really supposed to pay tithe to our present day pastor's?

Christ mentioned tithe cos he was denouncing the injustice of the pharisees. Just same way he condemn their exterior show not that he was incorporating it into the new testament. FYI Christianity hasn't begun yet...he hasn't died nor risen to pave way for the church. He was merely condemning the double-faced attitude of the pharisees just d way he denounced legalism of the law. Tbh...tithe just as the synagogue ended with the old testament. No where in the new testament after the death and resurrection of Christ did the Apostles encouraged tithing, instead they preached cheerful giving or offering. Even no where in patristic writings of early Christians or church fathers was tithing encouraged.

CecyAdrian:


In that verse Jesus even condemned the manner in which tithe was favoured instead justice, mercy and faith, He even likened it to one cleaning the outside of th dish while the inside is dirty.

ilynem:
Contrary to popular belief, tithing is not an old testament thingy. Jesus spoke about it in Matthew 23:23.

If you analyse it closely, you would realize that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not yet New Testament/covenant because Jesus had not yet died. Hebrews says that a will is only enforced when the testator is dead.
Jesus was speaking to the Jews under the Old covenant. Sincerely speaking I've not seen anywhere from the books of Acts that tells us to pay tithe.

Just to suit their selfish interest, so as to illegally take from d poor church members to enrich themselves

ilynem:

You don't get it. Jesus condemned the neglect of other charitable acts and not the payment of tithe. He was trying to say paying tithe alone is not enough. That doesn't mean you should condemn tithe paying. What you should condemn is the pastors neglect of other charitable acts.

Bros, according to the passage, the other charitable acts which you categorized as other, including mercy,judgement and punishment are the more important factors.Today our pastors favour the less important at the expense of the more important, so as critics we are not wrong(though we might be too extreme with our criticism), if we designate tithe as not important,the question is, tithe is unimportant relative to what? When Jesus spoke about tithe, he assumed his audience new what tithe entails, which is detailed in the old testament, deuteronomy defined the categories of people entitled to a portion of the tithe.The levites, fatherless, stranger, widows.The passage even explains why the levites are entitled to it. they have no inheritance with thee, since they have committed themselves solely to serving God in his vineyard, and have no source of income.Same can be said of the fatherless and widows of those days. I do not dispute the frequency of payment of tithe or the currency,as these 2 factors are subject to era.In fact the persons in the categories defined entitled to a portion of the tithe paid should be different now.I cannot really classify all our pastors and subpastors today as levites, some of them are involved in various business ventures, which fairly rules them out being eligible for a portion of it. Most of them are involved in one business or the other, likewise not all fatherless today are without a form of inheritance.So if all this categories are entitled to a portion of tithe, so it only means that they should receive their portion as often as the tithes are paid.the question is how many pastors actually give out portions of the tithe to the categories mentioned, and how frequent do they do it. Meanwhile, i suppose the bible did not specify what proportion should go to which category of people.So iguess it should be shared equally or perhaps partitioned according to the needs of each. Do you know how any fatherless, poor folks or widows are in this country. If the biblical directives should be followed exactly, the pastors in the name of the church wont be accumulating wealth, sharing cars to people based on trivial matters.God is the ultimate judge in this, but the directives are as clear as daylight. Happy sunday nairalanders

[b]I was reading, just to see where they said we should not pay tithe, none of the posts and argument here provided it.

It is obvious everyone here agrees that tithing is biblical, but the contention is the perceived over-emphasis of modern preaching on tithing.
My conclusion is that the reason for these renewed anger at tithing arose from the obvious proliferation of Pentecostal Churches.
From various argument from people here I found out that Catholics do not complain much, because their tithes are usaully put to the uses explained by biblical rules. Catholics have orphanages, old people's homes and less-privileged homes and free schools: note that such virtues are seriously dwindling since the white missionaries left us to manage our Churches. Churches no longer give free education.
Schools owned by Churches are the most expensive in Nigeria now. Pastors and Men of God, how often do you hekp the widows, fatherless, motherless, the aged etc?

But I will rather pay my tithe and have the Wrath of GOD being transferred from me and be visited upon the receiver of the tithe for miss-use or miss-application.

GOD is the only dread I dread![/b]

I'm even more confused

It doesn't matter who you pay your money to.. what I've realized is that givers are always blessed.

seunmsg:


You can use your tithe to buy strong drink like red label and hennessey. It is perfectly acceptable to God.

LOL

Deut 14:26

26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.

I cant believe the bible says this. Infact NLT says it directly

26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household.

The wine refered to is also alcoholic. That means i am free to buy Palmwine, BKT, Pito, Moss

It is from a personal experience I say this....don't follow just what your pastor says have a personal relationship with God he will direct you and teach you things which thou knowest not. Untill you grow to that level of christainity you will might be confused by some things and I say this God isn't really interested in some of these things he is interested more about your walk with him. I 've been in a situation where before I finish saying a prayer my answers were immediate and I didn't pay tithes then.

Junia:
Who should I tithe to??

If it's tithe commanded by God, then tithe to the Levites
If it's tithe not commanded by God (e.g. like the Abraham kind of tithing),
then tithe to a priest or to a warlord like was already being done in Abraham's times

Junia:
What should I tithe??

If it's tithe commanded by God,
then it should be one tenth of the produce of the land in ISRAEL, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees.

If it's tithe not commanded by God (e.g. like the Abraham kind of tithing)
then it should be one tenth of spoils of war (i.e. one tenth of what's obtained off another person(s))

Junia:
Christians are not under the law??

Do you mean Christians are not under the law of sin and death?

Junia:
Jesus didnt pay tithe??

True.
Jesus didnt pay tithe as his occupation wasnt agricultural

Junia:
His disciples didnt pay tithe??

True.
The fishermen nor doctor dont and didnt pay tithe

Junia:
There was no where in the Bible where the early church paid tithe??

True.
After 70 AD, the temple was no more and so no Levites serving in the temple to give tithe to

Junia:
Neither Paul nor the other apostles taught about tithing though they taught about giving

True.
They taught about a superior or higher law (i.e. the transition from the the law of sin and death to the law of the Spirit)

petra1:


Why not ? It's an eternal principle . Just like offering , prayers ,almsgiving etc.

Can you answer this question? Do you steal because you're not under the law? . Do you kill and covet ?

And why do you now wear 80% cotton, 20% polyester clothes today when the law says it's an eternal principle not to do it? Have you eaten yam planted on a plot with maize inter cropped? You just violated another eternal principle. What of bacon or pork fillet, another infraction. Or you allowed a child who cursed his/her parents to escape stoning to death you're again on the wrong side.
You can argue animal sacrifice has been abolished with the death of Christ, but why hold on to tithe in Malachi and Mathew and fail to observe the other eternal laws above?

seguno2:


This is not different from what Deuteronomy and Malachi recommended for the old Levite priests- eat/ have enough to live with from the tithes of the other Israelites since they must not work and have no inheritance/land.
Is that the case with the penterascal pastors who own property and pass them to their children?

The Levites still had possessions, lands, beast, farms etc. Numbers 35. Especially vs 1 - 4.

CecyAdrian:


The pastors that collect tithe, are they descendants of levites? Even Jesus Christ is not a descendants of levites. Most of these pastors have many businesses on the side that breeds money for them. Some have schools, hospitals, factories, companies and oil wells, going by the scripture you quoted up there, are they supposed to do all that?

Levites still had possessions, lands, farms, beast etc. Numbers 35. Especially vs 1 - 4.

One by one their eye de open





You'll one day bin religionn like i did and become happier

petra1:


Beautiful ! At least it wassnt farm produce . It makes it clear that tithes is not about agric . It's about income . Either it's agric , salary , business gain. Or gift items.



It's a revelation of God revealed to Abraham . It started with Abraham .Abraham was not just a figure in the Bible He's our father of faith .


Galatians 3:14
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Romans 4:16
. . . . but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

If you had a vision to slaughter your son the next morning will you bind the dream or go ahead with the slaughter in faith?

And are you also ready to put your female house help in the family way while still exercising faith. If not why are you not following this Abrahamic examples?

DeKen:

Levites still had possessions, lands, farms, beast etc. Numbers 35. Especially vs 1 - 4.

Possessions which were given to them, they on their own did not source for the lands, farms or beast, the other tribes of Israel gave it to them freely from their own inheritance since they (Levites) have none.