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Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by butterflyl1on: 3:53pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
ToZaraWithaZ: Mr man when we say fetus it means from 12 to 40 weeks. So stop saying its Okay to abort a fetus. I deliberately showed you what a fetus is classified as. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:57pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
vaxx:Read my responses to butterflyl1on. I think they should answer your questions. Thank you. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Nobody: 4:01pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:What is this guy talking about? |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Nobody: 4:05pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:Is that so? Then different terms should be created to make that distinction, since a fetus doesn't remain the same throughtout the nine months in the womb. Finito. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by butterflyl1on: 4:06pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by butterflyl1on: 4:09pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
ToZaraWithaZ: No! Different terms are not needed. As long as it is in the womb it is a fetus. Be it at 12 weeks or at 40 weeks. If you had the right to give life to someone would you not do it? Would you erase anyone who suddenly becomes a socio-economic or political issue? |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Nobody: 4:09pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:You don't expect me to take that post seriously, do you? You were talking about "life", and when I showed you how invalid that line of argument is, you changed it to "Homo Sapiens" and then weaved in some unrelated crap. I don't like that game. I'd rather play Sudoku. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Nobody: 4:11pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:I think something is wrong with you. I'm tapping out of this right now. I've made my point clearly enough. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by butterflyl1on: 4:15pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
ToZaraWithaZ: Nothing changed and you rendered nothing invalid. My distinction was homo sapiens you were the one who drifted to plants and amoeba when plants or amoeba were not the focus of discussion. Your comment is below The debate is not about what "LIFE" is - plants are alive too, and so are all the animals we kill for meat. You can't use "life" as a basis for criminilizing abortion. Being alive doesn't automatically make you a human being with rights. An amoeba is alive too! When you said the above I then had to bring your focus back by deliberately telling you that the focus is on home sapiens and what point is life as we know it achieved in order to decide if abortion is murder or not. If we kill animals it is not murder but when we kill living humans it is murder so at what point is a fetus considered alive and human? That is the question |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by butterflyl1on: 4:18pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
ToZaraWithaZ: You seem to have problem with discussions. If your opinion is not agreed with you get extremely upset as if you must always be right. Well I disagree with you and I believe just as a fetus should have, I have a right to disagree with anything I find questionable. You are not a final authority and even the law is not an authority because the law can change and we have seen this happen often. Laws are amended daily so even the law isn't final in a lot of scenarios. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by budaatum: 4:20pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:At least I'm taken serious. Your comments are general. In as much as you've said it to one person you'd expect a response from anyone who cares to. But like you said, you don't know me. So I'll take it your reference to hallucinating is an off the cuff statement - you know, a shadow without evidence. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by butterflyl1on: 4:27pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
budaatum: And I would take it that your comment about me and saving you was also an off the cuff statement and a shadow without evidence. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by budaatum: 4:53pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:I stand guilty as accused. I am glad you don't mind me going to hell. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by butterflyl1on: 4:57pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
budaatum: People make choices daily. Be they destructive or constructive however at the end of the day it boils down to personal choices. Why would I deny you that? We see option A and option B and we choose either A or B so as far as I am concerned your choice is yours and I am perfectly fine with whichever appeals to you. Enjoy! 1 Like |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by johnydon22(m): 4:58pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
CatfishBilly:There is no convenient left out here, the point was simple: a human is no more defined as someone who can be counted in a census any more than it is defined by someone who has rights to a property. My definition of human is biological and on that biological note i base my arguments, unborn babies are as much human as any of us
Murder can be quantified through several points and moral directives, cultural, religious or political (so called legal) I have seen gross abhorrence legalised and quite the reverse made illegal, yes this gives credence to the subjectivity of human moral outlook. legal is not necessarily good as much as illegal is not necessarily bad. Again i do not base my definition of human on your so called legal definition of human if there is such a thing.
This i contend in every way, drawing your first breathe free of the womb does not define human, classified under the homo sapiens specie does.
I am arguing on a traditional biological sense, none the less still find this action abhorable |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by JackBizzle: 5:03pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: 12 weeks is 3 months pregnant. Most abortions happen before that |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by johnydon22(m): 5:03pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
JackBizzle: I am pretty sure the post i quoted didn't bear this quote above, languages present the context of an argument. Saying simply "a cell is not human" requires further clarifications since humans are still just cells every inch of us. union of cells is not necessarily a person statement depends on which cells we are talking about here. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by butterflyl1on: 5:12pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
JackBizzle: The train has left you behind. Run and catch up |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by JackBizzle: 5:13pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
johnydon22: Good. Maybe i missed the context of the argument. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by JackBizzle: 5:15pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: Lol.....the fact remains the same wherher the train is in the station or has left |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by butterflyl1on: 5:17pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
JackBizzle: You are telling Johnydon that MAYBE you missed the context of the argument. Truth is that YOU MISSED THE CONTEXT OF EVERY ARGUMENT HERE ON THIS THREAD. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Nobody: 5:25pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
johnydon22: So in your opinion abortion is wrong in all situations? |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by JackBizzle: 5:28pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: Dont derail with your stupidity. Q |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by butterflyl1on: 5:35pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Your stupidity is a natural thread derailing component. Go away from Nairaland, threads thrive. You return, threads suffer! You are the missing link to rule number 1 on Nairaland |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by CatfishBilly: 6:00pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
johnydon22:Definitions could be biological and legal, for example, adult has a legal definition and a biological definition. So, if you say abortion is murder, then we've entered the area of law, so you'll have to prove that fetus are humans under the law. But if you say abortion is killing a fetus, now we've left the law, we can now discuss it outside the confines of the law. Saying abortion is murder is a moot point in my opinion. This i contend in every way, drawing your first breathe free of the womb does not define human, classified under the homo sapiens specie does.So, at what point is the fertilized sperm and ovum called a homo sapien in your opinion? If you consider destruction of unused embryo abhorrent as well, what would you rather be done to them? Declaring abortion murder would have far reaching consequences in the medical world. It would affect assisted reproduction, scientific research into ways of curing genetic diseases, the list is endless. 1 Like |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by butterflyl1on: 6:56pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: So the fetus are the guinea pigs? The pregnant women are unknowingly being used as guinea pigs right? They are encouraged to kill what they term as defective and retain the whole. I thought evolution was meant to be a continues process still? Who says the allegedly defective fetuses are not evolution still ongoing? Random mutations are supposed to aid evolution so why are we not allowing this randomness to continue? Why kill the mutated fetuses? |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by johnydon22(m): 7:00pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
Proudgorgeousga: Nope not in every situation |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by johnydon22(m): 7:07pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Murder can be quantified through several points and moral directives, cultural, religious or political (so called legal) and for clarity sake can you produce a legal definition of "HUMAN BEING" with credible link there be, i will like to read on that.
Oh at the very conception. it's a life circle and that is the beginning of a homo sapiens.
Not making more than was required in the first place.
Maybe during world war 2 German scientists were right after all to use kids for medical research, after all such research could also have medical implications. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by wirinet(m): 7:08pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
So which union of cells are we talking about here as being a person? Blood cells, liver cells or organ, zygote, embryo or foetus? |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Nobody: 7:09pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
johnydon22:ok. that's to say in case of rape or congenital disorder you are pro choice? |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by johnydon22(m): 7:14pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
Proudgorgeousga: Yes in a broad sense and also conditions where the mother's life is threatened, i also advocate for a certain degree of discretion for rape cases since considering it the child is also a victim. Just say that i advocate for life to be given a chance. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Nobody: 7:15pm On Oct 02, 2017 |
a fetus is same as a human but in the case of complications during delivery or high risk pregnancy the mother's life is more precious But once the baby is born and their is famine war or danger the babies are prioritized because they are more fragile and innocent and precious. they get attention 1st why OMG if you type ? thrice it becomes an emoji wow! |
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