analize701:
I'm not gering aurahia o

Jesusgirl92:
bolded... His house rent is more important than his love for the poor.... But when paying tithe is involved, you remember the poor...

PaChukwudi44:

To show the superiority of the Melchizedek priesthood over the levitical priesthood. That was the only reason. To show you that Levi even paid tithes through Abraham to Melchizedek. No where did it ask us to pay tithes to anyone in the order of Melchizedek neither did the Bible record any apostle receiving tithes in the order of Melchizedek. As clearly stated the sacrifices in the Melchizedek priesthood was done just ONCE

OkaiCorne:


It's good to know that you'll be seated with God judging me on the last day right? Good riddance? that's very Christ like of you...keep it up

analize701:
Okay then, Tell me what the Holy Spirit means by this;
Good News Translation Hebrews 7:8

In the case of the priests the tenth is collected by men who die; but as for Melchizedek the tenth was collected by one who lives, as the scripture says.

There's something you are not seeing or deliberately and willingly refusing to see, and until you see it, you will understand why Tithing was mentioned here in the first place.

Jesusgirl92:
PaChukwudi54 just told you who a Christian is... You say u follow Christ yet you DENY him by saying you are not a Christian. Is it not clear that you are CONFUSED?? Tell me... So people's actions are now your definition of who a Christian is instead of looking at the master (Jesus) himself... And you say you're being directed by the HolySpirit.... CONFUSION at its peak...

petra1:


So you can’t sacrifice your house rent for a poor man in emergency ?.I thought you love the poor .



Which one? Kindly as again



You don’t have to be silly



No it’s not . I give tithe , offerings , alms and seed unto God . All have to be done .
What about you ?

OkaiCorne:

I told you that the Holy Spirit is my mentor and teacher...and you are here judging me that I am the master of my life. It's okay...I can see how people are really attracted to Christianity with this judgmental attitude of yours

OkaiCorne:

It's good to correct...but judging me to be the master of my life is going too far. I hope you know God is taking records of this thing we are doing...and we would be held accountable for every words uttered...

OkaiCorne:


KINDLY EXPLAIN TO ME HOW ADHERING TO THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS IS A WALK IN DISOBEDIENCE...BECAUSE I NO DEY PAY "TITHES" ABI?

OkaiCorne:


I have read Hebrews 7 v 8 which states;
In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.

I also read;Hebrew 7 v 17-19

17 For it is declared:

“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”[a]
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

My dear, if you claim to Love God and Man...which is the basis of the new Covenant...you will see that tithing holds little importance compared to sacrificial giving to the less privileged.

Tithing is important...but check Matthew 25 v 31-40 and tell me if tithing is far more important than the words that came out of the mouth of Jesus that Paul is following as well.

OkaiCorne:


Then show us the Scriptures that is in context that clearly states payment of tithes carries more weight than sacrificial giving na?

You've been shouting Hebrews 7 or Matthew 23 v 23 which others have been countering...so what exactly is your point?

MuttleyLaff:
Had to park and quickly respond to this
It's actually you and the something you are not seeing or deliberately and willingly refusing to see, and until you see it, you will understand why it is only the Jewish believers that letter was written to and not to the other believers living in Jerusalem at the time

analize701:


A student follows the teachers instructions, not decide what is convenient in the sets of instructions before carrying them out, or choosing what to do and when
to do them. If the Holy Spirit is your Mentor, then you'd be under his tutelage.

Okay, sorry for coming off as judgmental. If you want to be a servant of Christ, do as he says, not only in the area of giving. Besides, if we don't give or Pay our Tithes, we do hinder us, not God. We get exposed to the devourer which you called FICTITIOUS.

Exactly at the bolded. You have said a lot of things here that if we should go back to them, you'd see your error, that's if you'd admit to them as errors.

Is good you know we'll account for our Words...

Matthew:12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Colossians:3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

How have you adhered to the teachings of Jesus?

Did the Jews who were so into Tithe paying but neglected other aspects of the ordinances, commended for it as complete obedience? Didn't the Master say, 'In that (Tithe paying) you did well, but ought not to neglected the other?

If you do some and neglect some, then your obedience is not complete.

Rev3:2
Wake up! You only have a little Strength left, and it is almost gone. So try to become stronger. I have found that you are not completely obeying God.
The Servant's obedience to his Master must be complete before it is termed obedience.

Jesus disqualified the Pharisees for their half obedience.

OkaiCorne:


Can you save up the money you spend on condoms and give them to the poor? If you can't, then you're also a hypocrite.

I'm just tossing your logic back into your face... assuming that you're married...

I can't love my neighbor more than myself.

Love your neighbor as yourself...

MuttleyLaff:

I actually was laughing at how you've personalised the "abeg gererahia" catchphrase
You so often use it, its become the favourite to use among your wave off line.

MuttleyLaff:

I have to quickly pop out for a few hours,
so currently not in a position to respond to all those your mentions of me
but trust me, I'll Arnold Schwarzenegger be back, to do robust justices to each one of them, later on today

MuttleyLaff:


Meanwhile, analize701 and petra1, please respond to the following:
1) How many times was tithe mentioned in Hebrews Chapter Seven?

MuttleyLaff:

2) Why was tithe, at all, mentioned in Hebrews Chapter Seven?

MuttleyLaff:

3) Was tithe the centre of interest, anywhere in the entire Hebrews' letter and/ or in the Hebrews Chapter Seven part of the letter?

MuttleyLaff:

4) You agree that the Epistle to the Hebrews, or Letter to the Hebrews, was written to the Jewish believers who lived in Jerusalem,
don't you?

MuttleyLaff:

5) Why was the Epistle to the Hebrews, or Letter to the Hebrews written to these particular set and peculiar people living in Jerusalem?

MuttleyLaff:

6) What was the author trying to achieve, with writing to these particular and peculiar people, in detail and at a persuasive long length?

MuttleyLaff:

7) Is tithe or tithing mentioned at all,
in of any of the 13 epistles or letters, written by Paul, to believers living in other towns and/or cities?

Jesusgirl92:
Foolishness is what you just displayed.... So you've assumed I'm a fornicator just so you can "back up" your misinterpretation of "doing the weightier matters"... Is that the best you've got?? Spiritual blackmail?? Too bad it doesn't work here.... Your words speak volume of the kind of person you are.... Carry on...

OkaiCorne:


My dear, foolishness is when I clearly stated in the post you quoted " I assume you are married " but yet you interpreted that as fornication.

Read my post slowly before spewing out hateful comments

Jesusgirl92:
At first, their argument was "tithing is wrong" "show us in the scriptures where we are instructed to pay tithe".... Now OkaiCorne has changed his argument to " show me in the Scriptures where paying tithe is more important than sacrificial giving " I laugh in the HolyGhost.... Hahahahahahahahaha

Jesusgirl92:
And you were talking about condom uncle...

Jesusgirl92:
And you were talking about condom uncle... Uncle sacrificial giving.... "Saving condom money" to help the poor... Lol... See argument... Well done sir. Clap for yourself.

OkaiCorne:


I assume married people use condoms right? Why don't they save the money they spend on it and give the poor?

You can only love your neighbor as you love yourself... Not more than yourself.

Do you now see how sound your logic on giving house rent to a widow is?

analize701:
Pls, if you come in here and are interested in presenting your points, pls do so with scriptures not empty baseless points. thank you

As a Christian, should i pay Tithe? and to who?

This question will follow another question which will lead me to answering the question. The question is, As a Christian, am i a Seed of Abraham?

What does Gal 3: 7, 9 say? Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Now, as Seeds of Abraham by virtue of our Faith in Christ, are we, or should we be partakers of the Promise made to Him by YHWH?

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Galatians:3:8-9

The above Scripture says, I'm Justified by Faith to be a Seed of Abraham.

As Children and Seeds of Abraham through faith in Christ, are we included in the ordinances of the Covenant made by God with Abraham?

Is Tithing One of such ordinances?

Was Tithing part of the law of Moses? Or, Did Tithing originate with Levi?

Tithing is not part of the law given to Moses, Precedes and transcends the Dispensation of the Law given to Moses.

Tithing began here and Levi or Moses wasn't born yet.
Genesis:14:18-20
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Levi who was given the office of the priesthood to take Tithes was a third generation descendant of Abraham who Paid Tithe to Melchizedek the High Priest of the Most High God.

Who was Melchizedek?

Where did he come from to take Tithe from Abraham?

Where did he go after that? because no one ever heard of him again after that.

It says, he was the King of Salam. Where was this kingdom of salem?

Was it an Earthly Kingdom?

Salem means peace. So, he was the King of Peace.

Abraham paid Tithe to this High Priest, and that act was recognised by YHWH, long before Levi the great grand son of Abraham was born.

TO BE CONT.

nicemuyoo:
There is a clear difference between scriptural-historical truth and theological teachings on tithe/ tithing and various other topics. Today i would be mentioning some conclusive statement on tithing based on scriptures and historical facts.
1. Tithe are natural agricultural produce and never money. You 're allow to covert It to money under certain circumstances but you must convert back to acceptable agricultural produce before paying your tithe. If you don't you have to pay a penalty fine on top of your tithe money and once paid it s converted back to food by levies in charge. This was to discourage money tithing.
2. The tithe was a tax system to cater for levites( administrators, judges, teachers etc), widows, orphans, strangers etc. 
3. Only increase from selected natural produces from the land of Isreal are acceptable as tithe .you can not pay tithe on from produce from another land 
4. A carpenter, farm labourer, fisherman etc do not tithe. Disciples, jesus, never paid tithe. Only people with farmland and livestocks paid tithe on their increase.
5. The tithe is never used for anything other than to feed levites, widows, orphans etc.never used for temple/ church building or any other services. It is an abomination. 
6. Temples/ services are run with temple tax a token contribution from each adult. Building is done by voluntary participation and donations.
7. Only a priest/ levites/ tithers/ less privileged eg widows are allowed to enjoy the tithe.
8. Today all who have accepted salvation are priest of the most high , we have one HIGH PRIEST, THE MESSIAH HIMSELF.
9. Tithe was never collected in the early churches. BUT was introduced by roman Catholic church to fund building of huge cathedrals and to pay fat salaries to priest/ bishops. It was Actually imposed on people backed by government law. It was a polished after a public revolt by the people.. It was also abolished in UK after a massive riot. The historic peasant riot.
10. This tithe system was adopted by many countries in Europe to cater for less priviledge in the society hence benefit payments/ food stamps etc. This is completely absent in many African countries today.
Folks know the truth and it would set you free.

analize701:

If we go by this your logic, satan will confuse more lazy Christians who depend on some Pastors who do not even know why they are taking Tithes from people in the first place.

There's a bigger picture here which very Few Christians can see.

Right now, Daddy Freeze may seem to be on the side of the poor who Pastors are stealing from, but there's a motive behind it and very few can see it.

Daddy Freeze is not for the poor, but against them.

spongeisback:
I am a child of Abraham. Dear pastors wait till I win a war then I will pay tithe like my father Abraham did. Amen. Genesis 14:18-20.....

analize701:

Lolzzz, you said your points are conclusive, yet you ran from top to finish without one single Scripture.

Pls show where it says the following people don't Tithe.

[bA carpenter, farm labourer, fisherman etc do not tithe. Disciples, jesus, never paid tithe. Only people with farmland and livestocks paid tithe on their increase.[/b]

nicemuyoo:
From the defination of tithe of you read your bible very well tithe are agricultural produce specifically from land of Isreal. They are not wages as in money paid workers. Even the scribes and Pharisees only tithe agricultural produce. Fish produce is not acceptable as tithe.

nicemuyoo:
From the defination of tithe of you read your bible very well tithe are agricultural produce specifically from land of Isreal. They are not wages as in money paid workers. Even the scribes and Pharisees only tithe agricultural produce. Fish produce is not acceptable as tithe.

asuustrike2009:

He just started with tithe very soon he will move to another level. The anti Christ will use people from within to operate

nicemuyoo:
From the defination of tithe of you read your bible very well tithe are agricultural produce specifically from land of Isreal. They are not wages as in money paid workers. Even the scribes and Pharisees only tithe agricultural produce. Fish produce is not acceptable as tithe.

analize701:

Is the bone of contention here Tithe Paying or the token? If i pay Tithe with Yams will i be doing the right thing?

spongeisback:
I am a child of Abraham. Dear pastors wait till I win a war then I will pay tithe like my father Abraham did. Amen. Genesis 14:18-20.....