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Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by OlaoChi: 10:01pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
MetaPhysical:Yes Oduyoye and Lucas are unqualified, tell me the Institution that endorsed them? Where did they Lecture? Why do Semitic Linguists not agree with Oduyoye, Why do Egyptlogists not agree with Lucas? You say Gottlob is fraud but all Linguist agree with him...till today Kwa language is still taught as a Language group in the University. No University teaches the works of Oduyoye or Lucas You and Olu317 still have to resolve the issue of whether Yoruba origin is Arabic or Hebrew these people are shameless liars sha. When did the Araba of Ife say Yoruba are Arab migrants? And Yes basically even though it was never given that the Araba said such a thing, nobody regards John Wydham as an historian, he was a fictional storyteller...even the Text says Aramfe is the Supreme being when we all know that is Olodumare Another lie, I answered the question on Laba and Shigidi... then I ask you how are Laba and Shigidi Arabic in origin |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by OlaoChi: 10:03pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
OlaoChi: @Olu317. I am still waiting |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by MetaPhysical: 10:17pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
Hati13: You are nothing but a punk! First, this is a public forum for open discussion and interchange of ideas. What do you know on Yoruba origin to begin with? Has any Yoruba claimed origin in Ethiopia? What is Ethiopia where Yoruba is concerned? Yoruba as a aborigene is far superior civilization to your Ethiopia, and Yoruba as a migrant is way above you in civilization. Who cares to hear about your warped history? ...what claims do you have anywhere in Africa that supersedes that of Yoruba legends? Get the fvk out of here abeg! Punk! |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by MetaPhysical: 10:53pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
OlaoChi: Let me start from bottom up for you.... One of the best social attributes of Yoruba is diversity. We must have diversity of thoughts and opinions and worldview, without being labeled ignoble names and identities. If we all agree that Yoruba is aborigene there would have been no stirring of the spirit into inquisition about our past and then we would remain static with no new discoveries and knowledge. Similarly if we all agree that Yoruba is migrant, there would be no drives to find out the alternative. You cannot keep rubbing scholarship in people's face but then talk like an unlettered person in your response to them, it kills your credibility. The first principle of interaction is respect and humility, regardless of what you know or think you know, assume the person you are talking to is a friend and not a foe. To win people over to your side, you must show compassion and understanding, otherwise you loose them. This is basic rule in human interaction. I find it very hard to reconcile people who come out proclaiming intellect but out of their mouth and spirit is spitefulness and arrogance, the two do not harmonize. I can get dirty with the tongue and very caustic but again, i cherish my Omoluabi and my personal ORI more than I value my opponent's. Are you aware that on this internet we cross paths with people with Ase? You dont know who is on other side, prevention is better than cure....always humble yourself and restrain, its the best medicine. In fact, it is what IFA teaches, humility and restraint! On any language, SOUND is the phenomenal character of tongue and speech. If sound is not present language has no character, even though communication is still possible. The language we call Yoruba has a character that is overwhelmingly superior to the native and aboriginal tongues anywhere in its region. There is no need proving anything as you are quick to call for...but you should investigate it yourself so you can grow and be enlightened. Four or so years ago when I joined here and started talking about this topic of origin my opponents would counter my position that most of Yoruba words were borrowed from Huasa and Islam. I didnt know any better because I neither spoke Hausa or Arabic. So I took upon myself as a challenge to learn Hausa so I can have it as a tool to filter and speak authoritatively on what is borrowed from Hausa and what is not. Today, I can speak Hausa fluently. I can write it and read it. Personal challenge to grow and expand, in just four years I acquired a tool and overcome the barrier presented by my opponents. I have root words that you have never heard before in Yoruba and I have concrete evidence of aspects of Arabia in connection with Yoruba that is indisputable. It is waste of time and resource bringing those here to discuss. This forum is gutter, I must protect the information from getting soiled. Everyone come out here and say Yoruba is not mentioned by Arab and they did not write about us. They have never denied Yoruba footprints in Arabia either. They don't need to write about us...they have records of our presence in that land. It is in their antiquities and rites of worship as well. If they allow research into their pre-Islamic past those records will speak, but they will not open that gate into the pre-dynastic Arabia. I respect the beliefs you all hold on your side of the argument and I see it as diversity. I dont have need to abuse your person because you differ or refuse to accept what I present. Mind over emotions! 1 Like |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Nobody: 11:20pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
MetaPhysical:Your statements are contradicting each other. You said “this is a public forum for open discussion and interchange of ideas” and say why are you concerned with Yoruba. To tell you the truth I’m not concerned with Yoruba and like you said this is a discussion forum so when I saw this thread, I started to discussion. And don’t get emotional and say Ethiopian civilization is inferior to Yoruba. You are screaming “stay on topic” but here is you getting out of topic (saying Yoruba is superior to Ethiopia in civilization) and trying to initiate a conversation so you can scream “stay on topic” if I responded. You are a sick man. |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 12:13am On Jun 24, 2018 |
OlaoChi:As long as you wish, you can wait. It is practically impossible for you to engage without letting emotion control your state of mind, simply because you feel angered over information thrown at you . You agreed with non native and non speaker who were the people/researchers/linguists that grouped Africa into five language family; Hamitic, Semitic, Bantu,Sudanese and Bushman, but you condemn others who have more related words and cultural affinity to Yoruba as not true. Even to the extent of using a very derogatory word on me? Obviously, you are a young man. This is a food for thought for you from a man who is one of the most respected linguist, Joseph Greenberg. This is what he had so say as regard classification of African language and all the people/ linguists that grouped such languages. “ Africa, The Semito–Hamitic ( since the ultimate relations of the Semitic group to the Hamitic cannot be doubted ) and the Sudanese whose membership for the moment mist, be restricted to the West Sudanese and Bantu and which may some day be demonstrated to include all the other non Hamitic languages. The great desideratum of African linguistics remains more DESCRIPTIVE DATA. When one considers that of the HUNDREDS of LANGUAGES of Africa, a mere HANDFUL has received anything approaching a DESCRIPTIVE treatment by PRESENT DAY LINGUISTIC STANDARD, that there are still LANGUAGES of which we know hardly more than the NAME, it is evident that the careful reconstruction of the Parent Speech of each restricted group of languages and further comparison carried with rigor demanded in historical linguistic work,must, to a great extent, wait upon the further accumulation of ACCURATE DESCRIPTIVE MATERIAL. The hypothesis of widespread hybridization and morphological borrowing ,so often assumed by the DESPERATE CLASSIFERS ,while it cannot be ruled out a priori must be subjected to the TEST OF NORMAL METHOD OF historical linguistics based on adequate material. " His assertion meant most of the classifer's work were based on inconsistency,kangaroo method of gouping . . What a damning effect on Yoruba language and some others! I wouldnt have posted this because it is not for your eyes only but reference. An advice : Explore beyond your boundary and learn to be a good Omoluabi. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 12:19am On Jun 24, 2018 |
Hati13:When did you become this Hati13? You can do better than this. |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Nobody: 1:25am On Jun 24, 2018 |
Olu317:Sorry but he is the one who initiated it and when I try to end it, he comes and continue it. 1 Like |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by MetaPhysical: 1:58am On Jun 24, 2018 |
Hati13: I repeat what I told you before...FVCK U! |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by 12salim(m): 4:41am On Jun 24, 2018 |
MetaPhysical: LOL! You jareers never ceases to amaze me! One madder than the other! |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 7:11am On Jun 24, 2018 |
12salim:You are an Habeesha,right? And if you're the person in your moniker ,then, use your word cautiously my dear, because you a very ‘very' young man! An advice , contribute your genuine opinion or sit back and read through only. Thanks |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 7:38am On Jun 24, 2018 |
The purpose of this thread must be achieved which is a pointer to non aboriginal but foreign elements that came to Southwest Nigeria and transformed the system of rulership to a proper mornachy system fashioned, after hereditary. So also to disprove erroneous and catastrophic lumping of different language as one within Niger–Congo such as Bantoid,who are basically within the Basin of Niger Area– Congo enclave. Here again is the FON language, which is classified as a KWA grouped affiliate alongside a strong population of Yoruba, that span over 40 millions within Nigeria and when the ones that lived outside Southwest are totalled ,the number will more than 60,000,000 in countries such as Repubiique Du Bénin, Togo, Ghana Sierra-Leone, Liberia, South and North America etc How is Fon intelligible to Yoruba language? it is not intelligible to Yoruba language FON : Widespread. Atlantique, Littoral and Zou departments. 1,900,000 (2016). Total users in all countries: 1,935,500. Status: 3 (Wider communication). Alternate Names: Dahomeen. Autonym: Fongbe. Dialects: Agbome, Arohun, Gbekon, Kpase. Classification: Niger-Congo, Atlantic-Congo, Volta-Congo, Kwa, Left Bank, Gbe, Fon. Comments: Traditional religion, Christian. Those, who think Fon language is intelligible amongst Yoruba speaker should compare and contrast Agbome, Aroun, Gbekon, Kpase(Fon language known as Fongbe) against Yoruba dialects if both ethnicity are mutually intelligible and belong to same family? Food for thought. |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by OlaoChi: 9:08am On Jun 24, 2018 |
Olu317: I stopped reading where you wrote "hamitic" No linguist or anthropologist would use the term "hamitic" Provide evidence please or shut up and run along like the other two have |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 12:20pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
OlaoChi:Just look at how unlettered you are? So, Hamitic isnt used by linguist? Very disappointed at the poor knowledge you had acquired over 4 years on NL. What a waste! Funny enough, I am not even two years on NL and had knowledge of my history via the right source before being on NL . Just look at you and the choice of words that you use as if you and I are age mate? Anyway, don't ever quote me again. Else, I ask for your ban.Period. Go edit your unlettered ignorance of ‘hamitic' before I share your knowledge on NL. I just have compassion on you because you claim Yoruba. |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 12:41pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
BabaRamota1980, come and see a disappointing Yoruba young man that act like them them from other region,who are always filled with hate when facts are glaring before them. In fact, he even said ‘Hamitic' isn't a word that was used by a well known linguist ,which was used to represent the classification of African language. Below was the exact word of ‘Joseph Greenberg' . I am not the kind that can laugh a lot. So, kindly come and help me inform him , that he has blundered as a bittered Yoruba man,with no knowledge of antiquity and history 1 Like
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Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 2:21pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
This is what Théophile Obenga said about Yoruba similarities with Ancient Egyptians language. “ Sound correspondence between Ancient Egyptian and Yoruba cognates are regular and form and meaning show strong similarities. It means that Egyptians and Yoruba can be traced back to a COMMON STOCK,older than “ Niger Congo", “Bantu Congo", “Proto Congo" ,“Common Bantu"
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Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by OlaoChi: 2:47pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Olu317: Go to a University not NL. Anybody using the term 'hamitic' in the 21st century is a pseudo-proponent. calling me a waste while you are the one who takes anthropology lessons from Nairaland Oh geez! You are lost, your life must revolve around Nairaland Please Provide evidence of your claims I am still waiting you should be the one ban for breaking rule 8 of Nairaland by posting false information, your whole moniker is built on passing around false information...people reading your post need to beware |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by OlaoChi: 2:55pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Olu317:This is what you get when you lack proper Education Read the screenshot properly and ask those around you if you cant comprehend the underlined words
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Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by OlaoChi: 3:11pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
MetaPhysical: I expected you to answer my questions and not give a sermon that you do not follow yourself. so stop being hypocritical and pretentious. If you are really interested in Yoruba history, that is if you are not just being an omo-ale who wants to sabotage yoruba identity, you would take time to study and gather evidence before jumping to conclusions and spreading your claims like a virus. Now you are left stranded, you cant even provide evidence neither can you admit when proven wrong because you have gone far in this. You just have to be prepared to unlearn all this rubbish you have learnt and relearn the proper way, because when you do you cannot be left looking like a fool and leave questions unanswered after making a claim - of course this applies only if you are not a Saboteur You can start by reading 'A History of the Yoruba People' by Banji Akintoye |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by BabaRamota1980: 3:15pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Olu317: People like him with claimed knowledge should be assisting his kins in Ngwaland to open threads and showcase Ibo history instead of jumping ln Yoruba thread. I saw his many attempts trying to link Yoruba with Ibo. They have no history so they use us to attain significance. Im glad you and metaphysical refused to address anything Ibo in here. This is Yoruba. Hey olaochi if you want to highlight what Oduyoye said about Ibo, open a thread biko so Ibo historians can join with you. 1 Like |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by OlaoChi: 3:23pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
BabaRamota1980: I am more Yoruba than all you Hebrew and Arab worshippers. Those who don't know their fathers are called Bastards |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by MetaPhysical: 3:28pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
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Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by OlaoChi: 3:35pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
MetaPhysical: . Ó bá ṣe Epè ẹ l'ede Lárúbáwá àwọn Olú ẹ Ẹrú lásán lásán tí ó lè jẹ nkan Epè kò kín kan ẹni òtítọ́. Instead of placing curses you should have answered my questions bloody saboteur and enemy of the Yoruba within |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by BabaRamota1980: 3:42pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Hey olaochi, olaochi, olaochi, how many times i call you? You think say everybody here na mate? As you dey talk to everybody with insult na so some people do take enfer market nak.ed, amd remained there for ever. Be careful o. This thing na ordinary discussion, why you dey call elders bastard and omo ale and all these foolish names? These are Yoruba they take offense, no be like your elders back for Ngwa. Do you hear me? No more insult o. 1 Like |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by OlaoChi: 3:48pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
BabaRamota1980: the Truth is always insult on those who are proponents of lies. If i say those who dont know their fathers are omo-ale..is it not true? Oya prove to me that you know your ancestors, if a man is so sure about something he should be able to provide a good reason for his assurance And stop calling me Igbo, i do not identify as Igbo, having an Igbo grandparent(which you people had to go over all my previous posts to find out) is what is making you people have orgasm as if you are more Yoruba than an Oyinbo man who follows Yoruab traditions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRzkSiU8Ix8 This is Nathan Lugo, a white man(although he has some african ancestry) who is more Yoruba than you. .. so challenging my identity as a Yoruba is foolish...this is what pissed me off before i decided to be very blunt and tell you just what you are being...maybe you do not know you are Sabotaging yoruba identity or that is infact the aim |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by BabaRamota1980: 3:52pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Olu, where u dey, abeg help me beg metaphysical to soften. I see where he warned this guy to stop using vulgar words on him, but he continued, so i cant blame metaphysical....but this is open forum, agbalagba must exercise restraint and forgive even when small pikin offend. Add mouth beg this man. This is heavy stuffs, we dont want this on a discussion like this that can be retrieved by anybody and anywhere. Not good. Abi wetin you think? |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by BabaRamota1980: 3:58pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
OlaoChi: Shut up abeg! the guy told you dont use that word or any vulgar when you talk to him. Did he not warn you? Can you discuss without be abrasive, eehn, can you? If you dont like what people say is an insult the corrwct way to address your opposition? Frankly i think you need to stop talking on this thread because from page 1 till you got in everything was ok. After you got in it has been upside down. Who cares about your truth if your teachings also come with abuse and insults, who cares? |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by BabaRamota1980: 3:59pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Im out of here...very annoying. |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by OlaoChi: 4:04pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
BabaRamota1980:I warned you people not to call me Igbo did I not I warned you people to stop insulting Yoruba ancestors did I not Ogbẹni is it a lie that 'a man who doesnt know his father is an omo-ale'? You people dont know the gravity of what you are saying and yet to provide evidence to vindicate yourself you cannot |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by OlaoChi: 4:10pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Stephen Adebanji Akintoye, also known as S. Banji Akintoye (born 1935), is a Nigerian-born academic, historian and writer. He attended Christ's School Ado Ekiti, Nigeria from 1951–1955,[1] and studied history at the University College (Overseas College of the University of London), Ibadan (1956–1961), and doctoral studies from 1963-1966 at the University of Ibadan, where he was awarded a PhD in History in 1966. He taught at the History Department at Obafemi Awolowo University, Ile-Ife, Nigeria, where he became a professor and Director of the Institute of African Studies from 1974-1977. He has also taught African History in universities in the United States including the University of South Florida, Tampa, Florida; Montgomery County Community College, PA, and Eastern University, St. Davids, Pennsylvania. Akintoye has written four books, chapters in many joint books, and several articles in scholarly journals. He took a leading part for some time in the politics of Nigeria and served on the Nigerian Senate from 1979–1983 during the Second Republic. He currently lives in Pennsylvania in the United States. |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by OlaoChi: 4:18pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
BabaRamota1980: This same metaphysical was insulting Hati31 You are calling him Àgbàlagbà (elder) Elder kọ̀ Elf lọ bá jẹ. What elder says "fuvk you punk" to another person just because he doesn't have answers to prove his myth is better than Ethiopian myth |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Nobody: 4:50pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
MetaPhysical:You are still sick person |
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