OlaoChi:
oh geez! like seriously. This ist it? I'm literally so sorry for you rn. These people you mentioned just misled you into pseudohistory and outright stupidity. How do you not understand basic things like " language classification is simply what it is = bloody language classifications" not some total communication iro and buba wearing gag

All this mumbo-jumbo woman in ankara and gèlè is how Yoruba is more semetic than Niger - Congo? Seriously is this how you got a degree in the University (if you went to the university)... How did you manage to write your thesis with off point logic like this?

What else did you expect a language classification to be based on if not LANGUAGE
Its not an art or music classification... It's a bloody language classification so yes Niger - Congo is based on language

Yet in all this... Language is a way to denote common history in a people. The fact that Yoruba are linguistically grouped in the Niger-Congo classification denotes a shared history with other members of the group at one time at least.
Also Genetics has proven that Yoruba are most genetically similar to members of the Niger-Congo family... With 93% E1b1a haplogroup
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger%E2%80%93Congo_languages

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V38

Btw I thought you said Yoruba is only grouped int Niger-congo due to geography not actual linguistic criteria? Whats up with this lack of consistency?

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Can you tell me what difference exist between these art works from two different ethnicities that speak a Niger Congo language? Which is Yoruba and which is not
Let's see just how different Yoruba art is from that of her neighbors

You were trained to reason linearly, you need to re-educate yourself to reason in multi-dimensions.

Situational judgement is what i presented to you. It is part of tests for deductive analysis.

You are unprepared to look beyond languahe classification because your intellectual capacity is passive. You repeat and regurgitate what you were taught. Anything not before taught to you is dark and the bulb never goes off to initiate an exploratory into that unknown zones.

We hear you, Yoruba is Niger/Congo. Put that in your pocket as a victory.

Is all Yoruba ever was is just spoken words? No civilization beyond words?

What are the anchors of civilization in Yoruba and why do we not find those anchors uniformly distributed with all its colocators in the Niger/Congo?

Why for instance do we not find evidence of bronze casting in Fon, Akan, Igala, Igbo?

Where did Yoruba learn Oriki, Orile and the Order of Society? Thats an outlier attribute. None in Niger/Congo possess that ability.


Come up with something else beside spoken words to tie Yoruba to Niger/Congo.


As far those arts go, any symbol of sovereingty is Yoruba. Any symbol of twin or duality is Yoruba.

There are rules in crafstsmanship and each has its signature. You dont need piece by piece examination.

If you see an art of mounted sovereingty with Igbo its influenced. If you see Ibeji with Igala its influenced. Stop being narrow and limited in brain capacity abeg. Smart yourself up!

Olu317:
You see, it was later thought through the modern day interpreter that Ephod was a garment but older meaning, it wasn't. In fact, it was mentioned to be If you are interested it ,check the book of 1 Samuel 30 vs 7 and read what Ephod( divination is all about). And on language classification of Niger Congo, precisely Kwa group. Do you know Kwa means HUMAN BEING in Gbe and Gã languages? This is the truth. Does this mean that this language is related to Yoruba's ? Yet some lazy youths will come up online to disgrace themselves over frivolous issue. Gottlob Krause that grouped them isn't a speaker of the language!...


Below is the screenshot for you BabaRamota1980. There is no need for juxtaposing wirh someone, who is unwilling to bring forth evidence both personal opinion,which isn't relevant.

Thank you. I didnt even know what KWA mean. I cant understand people that wait to be fed. Just because Oyinboman said ...."from now on you are Niger/Congo" these people have refused to shift even when phenomenal evidence disturb that declaration.


Same thing political eediots we have in West Africa who thought it wise to collapse trade barriers and make it all one huge region with common residency but refused to dismount the artificial boundaries created by whiteman and reunite nations with their ancient socio-political fronts and languages. You and I and other front thinking individuals should be setting policies on political goals, not these half witted zombies we have as rulers. 100yrs or more since Europeans shared lands and changed and we remained stiff and in compliance.

Shatter the dayam glass and advance an Afrocentric intelligentsia and dissolve any non-Afroethnic language from here.

BabaRamota1980:


Igala is proto-Yoruba but thats fine.


If I say "oju", "enu", "owo", "mama", "baba", "omo", ......all Yoruba words, Im sure you can find word cognates in those other cultures to match in meaning and spelling.

Here below are just a few of the symbolisms in Yorubaland. I want you to find cognates for them anywhere in the symbolism of these people you listed. If you cannot, you can broaden your search outward untill you find their cognates. Announce that culture that posesses the marker.

1. Oriki (Cognomen)
2. Orile (Totem)
3.

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Hey i was called in middle of this to help with some emergency. Things are stable and Ill be back. Sorry

Igala is proto-yoruba? first of all no it is not, and if you actually acknowledge Yoruba and Igala to be related what then is the basis for your argument that yoruba doesnt belong to niger-congo, when Igala and Igbo also share almost as much lexical similarity i dont get this but let me indulge you..

Igbo - Ihu (Oju), Onu(Enu), Ego(Owo which we have in eastern yoruba dialects as 'Ogho' and 'Ogo'), mama is not actually yoruba, , Umu(Omo)



PS. Spellings do not matter in Lexical similarity or Cognates, A word like Ego is cognate of Owo, but if one doesnt know of the dialectical variations, say maybe such dialects have died out it would be a lot less easier to be convinced that they are cognates

Would love to see how this points to Semitism tho

OlaoChi:
Igala is proto-yoruba? first of all no it is not, and if you actually acknowledge Yoruba and Igala to be related what then is the basis for your argument that yoruba doesnt belong to niger-congo, when Igala and Igbo also share almost as much lexical similarity i dont get this but let me indulge you..

Igbo - Ihu (Oju), Onu(Enu), Ego(Owo which we have in eastern yoruba dialects as 'Ogho' and 'Ogo'), mama is not actually yoruba, , Umu(Omo)



PS. Spellings do not matter in Lexical similarity or Cognates, A word like Ego is cognate of Owo, but if one doesnt know of the dialectical variations, say maybe such dialects have died out it would be a lot less easier to be convinced that they are cognates

Would love to see how this points to Semitism tho

Read my last post to you abeg.

I want discussions that produce outcomes. Im tired of wasting time on net doing little chippy chappy back and forth

Olu317:
You see, it was later thought through the modern day interpreter that Ephod was a garment but older meaning, it wasn't. In fact, it was mentioned to be If you are interested it ,check the book of 1 Samuel 30 vs 7 and read what Ephod( divination is all about). And on language classification of Niger Congo, precisely Kwa group. Do you know Kwa means HUMAN BEING in Gbe and Gã languages? This is the truth. Does this mean that this language is related to Yoruba's ? Yet some lazy youths will come up online to disgrace themselves over frivolous issue. Gottlob Krause that grouped them isn't a speaker of the language!...


Below is the screenshot for you BabaRamota1980. There is no need for juxtaposing wirh someone, who is unwilling to bring forth evidence both personal opinion,which isn't relevant.

OK since you know more than experts please release your work and contribution to linguistics
Gottlob Krause was a linguist what are you exactly? what research in the Kwa languages have you undertaken? Its crazy how you want to talk trash about people who have contributed to Knowledge of Africa while you the african sits somewhere flipping ideas of the top of the head

OlaoChi:
OK since you know more than experts please release your work and contribution to linguistics
Gottlob Krause was a linguist what are you exactly? what research in the Kwa languages have you undertaken? Its crazy how you want to talk trash about people who have contributed to Knowledge of Africa while you the african sits somewhere flipping ideas of the top of the head

A German linguist. Correct?

BabaRamota1980:


So the land you are in was originally not yours. That land is not AfroAsiatic. You were also a migrant group. You settled into a indigeneous negroid land. Correct?

No you aren’t correct. Everyone is a migrant at one point, it’s just when. Linguistic and DNA have shown that Afroasiatic speakers to have inhabited NE Africa for tens of thousands of years. There was close relation between Ethiopians and Bushmen around East Africa before Bantu expansion and this shows how old the former are to this part of Africa.

Hati13:

No you aren’t correct. Everyone is a migrant at one point, it’s just when. Linguistic and DNA have shown that Afroasiatic speakers to have inhabited NE Africa for tens of thousands of years. There was close relation between Ethiopians and Bushmen around East Africa before Bantu expansion and this shows how old the former are to this part of Africa.

Im not talking about everyone.

As Ethiopian you told me your root is in AfroAsia. Where you are now is not AfroAsia. Your physical attributes is not in uniformity with the African indigenes that are your neighbours. This was not your land. You migrated there. There were people that lived in this land before you.

When you settled amongst them you gained some of their attributes and you lost some of yours to them. Right now your language and theirs is uniform but your spirituality is an ancient practice Coptic. The people around you are not Coptics.

Genetics change, language morph....but spirituality is ancestral.

True?

BabaRamota1980:


You were trained to reason linearly, you need to re-educate yourself to reason in multi-dimensions.

Situational judgement is what i presented to you. It is part of tests for deductive analysis.

You are unprepared to look beyond languahe classification because your intellectual capacity is passive. You repeat and regurgitate what you were taught. Anything not before taught to you is dark and the bulb never goes off to initiate an exploratory into that unknown zones.

We hear you, Yoruba is Niger/Congo. Put that in your pocket as a victory.

Is all Yoruba ever was is just spoken words? No civilization beyond words?

What are the anchors of civilization in Yoruba and why do we not find those anchors uniformly distributed with all its colocators in the Niger/Congo?

Why for instance do we not find evidence of bronze casting in Fon, Akan, Igala, Igbo?

Where did Yoruba learn Oriki, Orile and the Order of Society? Thats an outlier attribute. None in Niger/Congo possess that ability.


Come up with something else beside spoken words to tie Yoruba to Niger/Congo.


As far those arts go, any symbol of sovereingty is Yoruba. Any symbol of twin or duality is Yoruba.

There are rules in crafstsmanship and each has its signature. You dont need piece by piece examination.

If you see an art of mounted sovereingty with Igbo its influenced. If you see Ibeji with Igala its influenced. Stop being narrow and limited in brain capacity abeg. Smart yourself up!

By multi-dimensional you mean inventive history? please answer

Wait, you say im unprepared to look beyond language classifications...i just posted Pictures of Artworks and a link to the DNA Haplogroup that is present is all over Sub saharan africa nd carried by speakers of Niger-congo languages. Thats looking beyond language, i just dived into Art and Genetics..
Also, even if i stick to language classification that was the whole point initially, you said Yoruba share no linguistic similarity with other Niger-congo languages and is only grouped within due to geographic proximity...i proved you wrong, you only just changed (lack of consistency) to language alone doesnt matter, Art, Music, Dance etc are also relevant.
At least now you have lernt that Yoruba does share significant lexical similarity and general linguistic similarity with Niger-congo languages...well of course! it is a niger-congo language, it is almost depressing that you would argue about that

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So only Yoruba posses order of Society? very stupid talk. Am guessing the Ashanti kingdom was not orderly, Aro confederacy? Bini kingdom?, Nupe kingdom, Igala kingdom, Dahomey....all these kingdoms were not orderly....Malian Empire was not orderly?

Mr. man stop embarrassing yourself, if you cannot spot significant differences in the Artworks come clean

BabaRamota1980:


Thank you. I didnt even know what KWA mean. I cant understand people that wait to be fed. Just because Oyinboman said ...."from now on you are Niger/Congo" these people have refused to shift even when phenomenal evidence disturb that declaration.


Same thing political eediots we have in West Africa who thought it wise to collapse trade barriers and make it all one huge region with common residency but refused to dismount the artificial boundaries created by whiteman and reunite nations with their ancient socio-political fronts and languages. You and I and other front thinking individuals should be setting policies on political goals, not these half witted zombies we have as rulers. 100yrs or more since Europeans shared lands and changed and we remained stiff and in compliance.

Shatter the dayam glass and advance an Afrocentric intelligentsia and dissolve any non-Afroethnic language from here.

Don't mind these set of people that are stereotyped with pseudo linguistic classification. I mock them all

Olu317:
Don't mind these set of people that are stereotyped with pseudo linguistic classification. I mock them all

lmao.. Ok so all the linguists in the whole wide world are stereotyping pseudo-proponents
Since you professor without degree or any form of undertaken research know so much why not bless us with your knowledge, save us from these misleading Linguists who are in their thousands and have the world behind their work. Your friend babaramota has learnt something new today, that Yoruba is actually a legit Niger-congo language, but since you are more linguist than the linguist why not back up your claim with common sense or evidence?

OlaoChi:


By multi-dimensional you mean inventive history? please answer

Wait, you say im unprepared to look beyond language classifications...i just posted Pictures of Artworks and a link to the DNA Haplogroup that is present is all over Sub saharan africa nd carried by speakers of Niger-congo languages. Thats looking beyond language, i just dived into Art and Genetics..
Also, even if i stick to language classification that was the whole point initially, you said Yoruba share no linguistic similarity with other Niger-congo languages and is only grouped within due to geographic proximity...i proved you wrong, you only just changed (lack of consistency) to language alone doesnt matter, Art, Music, Dance etc are also relevant.
At least now you have lernt that Yoruba does share significant lexical similarity and general linguistic similarity with Niger-congo languages...well of course! it is a niger-congo language, it is almost depressing that you would argue about that

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So only Yoruba posses order of Society? very stupid talk. Am guessing the Ashanti kingdom was not orderly, Aro confederacy? Bini kingdom?, Nupe kingdom, Igala kingdom, Dahomey....all these kingdoms were not orderly....Malian Empire was not orderly?

Mr. man stop embarrassing yourself, if you cannot spot significant differences in the Artworks come clean

You are m0r0n. A big one at that!

I dont think there is anywhere in Africa you wouldnt find casts in metals and alloys. Yoruba stand out!

There is no where in Africa you wouldnt find spirituality. Yoruba stand out!

There is no where in Africa you wouldnt find government and community leaership. Yoruba is unique!


Even the Niger/Congo language you carry on head, there is not a single African contributor amongst the creators and authorities, all are foreigners. Beyond that the classifications have modified over 5 times since creation. As they discover new knowledge they expand and shrink as required.

Thats the point here.....the Niger/Congo classification is not set in stone. Its dynamic!

Studies and discoveries in Yoruba ultimately will recognize its uniqueness.

Your m0r0nic slavish mentality has vlocked your cognition to appreciate the contention here.

Why is Yoruba different and unique in all of the aspects of its cultural values and civilization, none of which have uniformity in its immediate neighbourhood? Thats the issue. Not some language model donated by foreigners whobthemselves dont even speak the languages they classified.

Have you yet gone to classify their languages in Europe?

Bloody slave!

BabaRamota1980:


Thank you. I didnt even know what KWA mean. I cant understand people that wait to be fed. Just because Oyinboman said ...."from now on you are Niger/Congo" these people have refused to shift even when phenomenal evidence disturb that declaration.


Same thing political eediots we have in West Africa who thought it wise to collapse trade barriers and make it all one huge region with common residency but refused to dismount the artificial boundaries created by whiteman and reunite nations with their ancient socio-political fronts and languages. You and I and other front thinking individuals should be setting policies on political goals, not these half witted zombies we have as rulers. 100yrs or more since Europeans shared lands and changed and we remained stiff and in compliance.

Shatter the dayam glass and advance an Afrocentric intelligentsia and dissolve any non-Afroethnic language from here.

same oyinbo man that brought you bible and his cousins that brought you quran.

two books you flip to gain more inspiration for your inventive history.


You have not provided any evidence, so why conclude that we will not succumb to evidence? Not everyone is stupid.
But I thought Yoruba was not African

OlaoChi:
same oyinbo man that brought you bible and his cousins that brought you quran.

two books you flip to gain more inspiration for your inventive history.


You have not provided any evidence, so why conclude that we will not succumb to evidence? Not everyone is stupid.
But I thought Yoruba was not African

Yoruba is a migrant nation with roots in Canaan. The practices of Yoruba itself is inherent in Islam. So what if we learn christianity or islam. We still have our ancestral spirituality Ifa.

Oyinbos are today learning Ifa and practicing it.

Isnt that another uniqueness of Yoruba?

OlaoChi:
OK since you know more than experts please release your work and contribution to linguistics
Gottlob Krause was a linguist what are you exactly? what research in the Kwa languages have you undertaken? Its crazy how you want to talk trash about people who have contributed to Knowledge of Africa while you the african sits somewhere flipping ideas of the top of the head

Mr . you drew the first blood and I had to hit hard on you. Do I have to be a linguist to showcase the flaws in kangaroo research that was made inform of magic? Of course not. But I have Shown you that you lived in the past of pseudo historical account. I have given biblical reference to differentiate between your so called ‘garment' and oracular ephod. Secondly, am sure you have acquired new knowledge on the meaning of KWA,which mean human being in Gbe and Ga . Yet it is meaningless in Yoruba language.I didn't at anytime mentioned other tribes or ethnicity but you draw in neighbouring Art work,yet you failed to realise that,they are not comparable because, even the sculptures ( Art work) found in ILE IFE had been analysed ,to mean, two different dynasty. Food for thought,my friend.

Lastly,please don't drag me into deviating from what I or others intend to share on this forum.

BabaRamota1980:


You are m0r0n. A big one at that!

I dont think there is anywhere in Africa you wouldnt find casts in metals and alloys. Yoruba stand out!

There is no where in Africa you wouldnt find spirituality. Yoruba stand out!

There is no where in Africa you wouldnt find government and community leaership. Yoruba is unique!


Even the Niger/Congo language you carry on head, there is not a single African contributor amongst the creators and authorities, all are foreigners. Beyond that the classifications have modified over 5 times since creation. As they discover new knowledge they expand and shrink as required.

Thats the point here.....the Niger/Congo classification is not set in stone. Its dynamic!

Studies and discoveries in Yoruba ultimately will recognize its uniqueness.

Your m0r0nic slavish mentality has vlocked your cognition to appreciate the contention here.

Why is Yoruba different and unique in all of the aspects of its cultural values and civilization, none of which have uniformity in its immediate neighbourhood? Thats the issue. Not some language model donated by foreigners whobthemselves dont even speak the languages they classified.

Have you yet gone to classify their languages in Europe?

Bloody slave!

actually Yoruba do not stand out particularly. There were many better organized African States like Songhai, Mali, Kanem-Bornu, Egypt, Kush, Aksum, Wagadu, Almoravid, Carthage, Numidia...even Sokoto. I get your drift now, you are feeling a sense of 'yoruba pride' but think africa is shitty so thats why you cant believe yorubas are just as african as other africans...even being one of the purest africans with almost no non-african contact or influence (direct or indirect) . And thats were real pride should lay, that Yoruba achieved and built a civilization that is completely homegrown.

since you want to take it personal, i dont shy away from personal stuff if need be.. I happen to be very Yoruba boastful and pro-african values and identity (which is under attack from Islam and Christianity). I support Isese and will be getting initiated soon at Oyo. So basically I'm more Yoruba minded than a muslim who licks arab ass 5 times daily.
You are the real slave, a slave to Arabs, that is why you cannot imagine being a bloody african, you want to attachee by force or crook

OlaoChi:


actually Yoruba do not stand out particularly. There were many better organized African States like Songhai, Mali, Kanem-Bornu, Egypt, Kush, Aksum, Wagadu, Almoravid, Carthage, Numidia...even Sokoto. I get your drift now, you are feeling a sense of 'yoruba pride' but think africa is shitty so thats why you cant believe yorubas are just as african as other africans...even being one of the purest africans with almost no non-african contact or influence (direct or indirect) . And thats were real pride should lay, that Yoruba achieved and built a civilization that is completely homegrown.

since you want to take it personal, i dont shy away from personal stuff if need be.. I happen to be very Yoruba boastful and pro-african values and identity (which is under attack from Islam and Christianity). I support Isese and will be getting initiated soon at Oyo. So basically I'm more Yoruba minded than a muslim who licks arab ass 5 times daily.
You are the real slave, a slave to Arabs, that is why you cannot imagine being a bloody african, you want to attachee by force or crook

If i knew the Isese group thats initiating you I will write them and request that you be made first to studytand be graded in Ifa before you are invested. You are joining Isese and you dont know what LABA is.

Mmmtchheeew....smh.

What is your orile?

BabaRamota1980:


Yoruba is a migrant nation with roots in Canaan. The practices of Yoruba itself is inherent in Islam. So what if we learn christianity or islam. We still have our ancestral spirituality Ifa.

Oyinbos are today learning Ifa and practicing it.

Isnt that another uniqueness of Yoruba?

Yoruba is inherent in Islam. go and tell this to the Sheik of Mecca.

The fact that your claims are based off your religion is already a red flag... Your religion is foreign to yorubaland such that before malians brought islam to Oyo empire in the 17th century no yoruba person knew of Islam. In fact no yoruba converted until over a 100 years later
You do not have Ifa, stop deceiving yourself. it is still you muslims and christians that speak against Isese daily

Yes and we are welcoming them to Ifa since Your likes have oppressed Ifa for centuries in its own land. A person who adopts a yoruba way of life is far more yoruba than one who insults his ancestors or denies them like you

OlaoChi:
lmao.. Ok so all the linguists in the whole wide world are stereotyping pseudo-proponents
Since you professor without degree or any form of undertaken research know so much why not bless us with your knowledge, save us from these misleading Linguists who are in their thousands and have the world behind their work. Your friend babaramota has learnt something new today, that Yoruba is actually a legit Niger-congo language, but since you are more linguist than the linguist why not back up your claim with common sense or evidence?

Well, you are the one that claimed Niger Congo's submission is right and I proved you wrong even with their own information. I expect you to say,thank you,because I have given you an information that yo never thought was true. In as much there linguistics, in the world, studies will continuously be carried out and critics will always exist. The ethnologue of many west African language have been studied beyond your comprehension. So be abreast with current information on historical research.

BabaRamota1980:


If i knew the Isese group thats initiating you I will write them and request that you be made first to studytand be graded in Ifa before you are invested. You are joining Isese and you dont know what LABA is.

Mmmtchheeew....smh.

What is your orile?

mr. man shut the hell up. Go and worship your arab god like the bastard slave you are
When you regain your senses and free yourself from the bondage of the cancerous religion called islam we can talk

OlaoChi:
Yoruba is inherent in Islam. go and tell this to the Sheik of Mecca.

The fact that your claims are based off your religion is already a red flag... Your religion is foreign to yorubaland such that before malians brought islam to Oyo empire in the 17th century no yoruba person knew of Islam. In fact no yoruba converted until over a 100 years later
You do not have Ifa, stop deceiving yourself. it is still you muslims and christians that speak against Isese daily

Yes and we are welcoming them to Ifa since Your likes have oppressed Ifa for centuries in its own land. A person who adopts a yoruba way of life is far more yoruba than one who insults his ancestors or denies them like you

You are like a pussy...nag nag nag!

I told you your intellectual capacity is beclouded and hindered by emotions.

Speak like a man! Punk!! Stop the nagging.



You are joining Isese but you are biased against christianity or islam. Do you even know what Isese is? Or you see your neighbours joining a group and you also pay to become member?


Mr Yoruba, What is Isese?

OlaoChi:


mr. man shut the hell up. Go and worship your arab god like the bastard slave you are
When you regain your senses and free yourself from the bondage of the cancerous religion called islam we can talk

Hahahahahahaha.......

Look at person joining Isese. You just violated one of the codes of conduct in Isese.

Im glad i can draw out your outburst. Pussy!

Hati,
Im waiting on response whenever you get to this.

BabaRamota1980:




Im not talking about everyone.

As Ethiopian you told me your root is in AfroAsia. Where you are now is not AfroAsia. Your physical attributes is not in uniformity with the African indigenes that are your neighbours. This was not your land. You migrated there. There were people that lived in this land before you.

When you settled amongst them you gained some of their attributes and you lost some of yours to them. Right now your language and theirs is uniform but your spirituality is an ancient practice Coptic. The people around you are not Coptics.

Genetics change, language morph....but spirituality is ancestral.

True?

Olu317:
Mr . you drew the first blood and I had to hit hard on you. Do I have to be a linguist to showcase the flaws in kangaroo research that was made inform of magic? Of course not. But I have Shown you that you lived in the past of pseudo historical account. I have given biblical reference to differentiate between your so called ‘garment' and oracular ephod.

who is drawing blood with you? I am simply here to shut your idiocy down before you spread it to more people like babaramota confessed he wasn't always this idiotic, until he came on nairaland to be influenced by madmen.

yes you have to have a solid knowledge of linguistics to challenge those who have done countless research. you cannot sit down in front of a computer and claim linguistics is wrong to categorize Yoruba language as Niger-congo..it is a fact. there are over a thousand linguists who focus on Niger-congo languages, an umemployed poorly educated man cannot be taken seriously. You dont have sources , you dont have evidence but some gullible muslims and christians will be deceived by all this if nobody actually shuts this down
Oh really you showed me that i rely on pseudo-historical account. you used your own imagination to debunk academic facts do you even know what debunk means?

Ephod is a garment mr.man there is no biblical verse that calls Ephod a divination system.

Secondly, am sure you have acquired new knowledge on the meaning of KWA,which mean human being in Gbe and Ga . Yet it is meaningless in Yoruba language.I didn't at anytime mentioned other tribes or ethnicity but you draw in neighbouring Art work,yet you failed to realise that,they are not comparable because, even the sculptures ( Art work) found in ILE IFE had been analysed ,to mean, two different dynasty. Food for thought,my friend.

Lastly,please don't drag me into deviating from what I or others intend to share on this forum.

first off, i know what Kwa means, second this is irrelevant as Yoruba is not a Kwa language.
Simple task, since you claim Yoruba art has no similarity with that of her neighbors, identify the yoruba artworks there

BabaRamota1980:


Hahahahahahaha.......

Look at person joining Isese. You just violated one of the codes of conduct in Isese.

Im glad i can draw out your outburst. Pussy!

code of conducts

Isese has no encompassing code of conducts(other than honor the ancestors of course), specific taboos apply to specific Orisha cults

That is what makes you glad in life? wasted life. As i expected you have no knowledge to pass, im still on nairaland when you have evidence that yoruba are semitic. foolish bastards

Olu317:
Well, you are the one that claimed Niger Congo's submission is right and I proved you wrong even with their own information. I expect you to say,thank you,because I have given you an information that yo never thought was true. In as much there linguistics, in the world, studies will continuously be carried out and critics will always exist. The ethnologue of many west African language have been studied beyond your comprehension. So be abreast with current information on historical research.

Where and how did you prove me wrong, can you take a screenshot or re post your evidence because i ddnt see it

sure studies will always be carried out , the question is are you carrying out any studies or you are smoking cow dung rapped with bible pages?

just so you know you guys have your work cut out for you. You have to debunk all the established facts about Yoruba and provide evidence to your own claims that yoruba are Semitic. so think while you try to oppose the assertion that Yoruba is a Volta-Niger language, you will also have to try to provide evidence that Yoruba is a Semitic language, while you try to infer no similarities between Yoruba and Igbo culture or Igala culture or Fon culture, you will also have to provide the similarities btwn Yoruba and Hebrew culture

I'll be more active on nairaland for your lost souls. you want to deny your africanness so much you can do that for your own family not entire yorubaland

OlaoChi:
just so you know you guys have your work cut out for you. You have to debunk all the established facts about Yoruba and provide evidence to your own claims that yoruba are Semitic. so think while you try to oppose the assertion that Yoruba is a Volta-Niger language, you will also have to try to provide evidence that Yoruba is a Semitic language, while you try to infer no similarities between Yoruba and Igbo culture or Igala culture or Fon culture, you will also have to provide the similarities btwn Yoruba and Hebrew culture

I'll be more active on nairaland for your lost souls. you want to deny your africanness so much you can do that for your own family not entire yorubaland

Provide to who? To a nagging pussy?


We will reopen talks when men with stable minds come in. For now you are dismissed abeg.

BabaRamota1980:


Provide to who? To a nagging pussy?


We will reopen talks when men with stable minds come in. For now you are dismissed abeg.

there is no sensible person or person with a stable mind that will not ask you for evidence
You are looking for who will buy into your crap without questioning you. a red flag, when a man is afraid of scrutiny

BabaRamota1980:




Im not talking about everyone.

As Ethiopian you told me your root is in AfroAsia. Where you are now is not AfroAsia. Your physical attributes is not in uniformity with the African indigenes that are your neighbours. This was not your land. You migrated there. There were people that lived in this land before you.

When you settled amongst them you gained some of their attributes and you lost some of yours to them. Right now your language and theirs is uniform but your spirituality is an ancient practice Coptic. The people around you are not Coptics.

Genetics change, language morph....but spirituality is ancestral.

True?

Your level of reasoning is really amazing me. How can you say the area that a ppl that lived for tens of thousands of years isn’t theirs. Even Bantu who expanded recently compared to them aren’t considered non-native to the area they occupy.

And Ethiopians don’t exactly follow Coptic but even we assume they follow, what has this to do with being native or not? Christianity has it roots in Africa but even if we assume it isn’t, aren’t majority of the ppl neighboring Ethiopia like Kenyans, Rwandans, Ugandans,... Christian?

A land doesn’t belong to anyone but you belong to it! A specific land had houses different ppl in the past but that land doesn’t belong to anyone of them but they rather belong to it for some period of time. Those ppl land whom you are referring as been taken by Afroasiatic did also the same thing to the ppl before them.

Hati13:

Your level of reasoning is really amazing me. How can you say the area that a ppl that lived for tens of thousands of years isn’t theirs. Even Bantu who expanded recently compared to them aren’t considered non-native to the area they occupy.

And Ethiopians don’t exactly follow Coptic but even we assume they follow, what has this to do with being native or not? Christianity has it roots in Africa but even if we assume it isn’t, aren’t majority of the ppl neighboring Ethiopia like Kenyans, Rwandans, Ugandans,... Christian?

A land doesn’t belong to anyone but you belong to it! A specific land had houses different ppl in the past but that land doesn’t belong to anyone of them but they rather belong to it for some period of time. Those ppl land whom you are referring as been taken by Afroasiatic did also the same thing to the ppl before them.

Your scenario as a migrant in Ethiopia is no different than the scenario of Yoruba as a migrant in West Africa.

You want to apply one rule to Yoruba using Niger/Congo classification.....but you dont think any rule applies to Ethiopia by the uniqueness of its spirituality.

Is there anyone else known in East Africa or the Horn as Coptic Cjristians beside Ethiopians?

Is there anyone else known in West Africa with Ifa beside Yorubas?


Moreover, the Niger/Congo classification you all carry ontop of head is hogwash. The originator is European, the revisionists are Europeans, and none of them speaks Yoruba. Bring me a Yoruba linguist who has contributed to the classifi ation of Yoruba as a Niger/Congo tongue. None can be found!

What nonsense!