BabaRamota1980:


Your scenario as a migrant in Ethiopia is no different than the scenario of Yoruba as a migrant in West Africa.

You want to apply one rule to Yoruba using Niger/Congo classification.....but you dont think any rule applies to Ethiopia by the uniqueness of its spirituality.

Is there anyone else known in East Africa or the Horn as Coptic Cjristians beside Ethiopians?

Is there anyone else known in West Africa with Ifa beside Yorubas?


Moreover, the Niger/Congo classification you all carry ontop of head is hogwash. The originator is European, the revisionists are Europeans, and none of them speaks Yoruba. Bring me a Yoruba linguist who has contributed to the classifi ation of Yoruba as a Niger/Congo tongue. None can be found!

What nonsense!

You just like to spew nonsense

Igbos have Afa, Ewe also call it Afa. Fon call it Fa.. Edo call it Iha, Urhobo call it Epha.

The following myth deals with the origin of Afa (divination). Although the Yoruba system of Ifa is the most popular, it did NOT originate with them and appears all over West Africa. The Fon people call it Fa. The Urhobos call it Epha. To the Ewe, its also called Afa. http://sunbeampress..com/2013/05/african-sacred-science-divination-among.html

Tayo Lamidi is a yoruba linguist who has published many works on African languages, none of which disputes Yoruba's status as a Niger-congo language.

Funny how a fellow with no university education talkless of knowledge in Linguistics wants to challenge Linguists all over the world. I thought you accepted that yoruba is a niger-congo langauge and learnt something yesterday. Apparently you dont learn, you just imagine and invent stories

BabaRamota1980:


Your scenario as a migrant in Ethiopia is no different than the scenario of Yoruba as a migrant in West Africa.

Both aren’t migrant.

BabaRamota1980:

You want to apply one rule to Yoruba using Niger/Congo classification.....but you dont think any rule applies to Ethiopia by the uniqueness of its spirituality.

Beside linguistic, genetic also say that Yoruba originated around West African.

Yes Ethiopian spirituality is unique but same also for many other African groups. This can’t be taken as an indicator for a ppl to be non native.

BabaRamota1980:

Is there anyone else known in East Africa or the Horn as Coptic Cjristians beside Ethiopians?

Is there anyone else known in West Africa with Ifa beside Yorubas?

Eritreans and Ethiopians follow the same Orthodox Christianity.

BabaRamota1980:

Moreover, the Niger/Congo classification you all carry ontop of head is hogwash. The originator is European, the revisionists are Europeans, and none of them speaks Yoruba. Bring me a Yoruba linguist who has contributed to the classifi ation of Yoruba as a Niger/Congo tongue. None can be found!

What nonsense!

If no Yoruba linguistic say Yoruba language isn’t part of Niger-Congo like you say, then it means Yoruba linguistic don’t want to accept the truth. But I said LIKE YOU SAID, since there are some who accept it.

To Olaochi and Hati,

The discussion on Yoruba origin, its language, its relationship to Arab or Jew or Egyptian, is far older than any of us. None of us was there and we can only rely on submissions made using historical tractions via arts, oral records and as well new and modern tools for approximating events. There are two camps here on this issue, the side that supports Yoruba is aborigene and the other which claims Yoruba is migrant. The migration camp is where I belong, and I know it's where Olu belongs, Babaramota is a recent convert to this. None of us doubt or deny that people were living on this land before the migrants. In fact we acknowledge that there are two civilizations merged into one and now known as YORUBA. Yoruba is an identity for the migrants, whereas Ugbo is an identity for the aborigenes that pre-existed on the land before Yoruba arrival. There were also contention in the past as to the nativity of the migrants and the question of whether they were origins of Ile-Ife, from where they initially migrated out, and then returned home at a later time in human memory....or if they were origins of AfroAsia and settled a unknown geolocation now known as Yorubaland.

Old Testament says origin of man was Eden and after expulsion they moved East. Historians placed this East in Nineveh. How could the Yoruba ancestors have known of a place called Nineveh and claim it as their homeland? Impossible! But they claimed a place know as IleIfe as not only their homeland, but as the origin of mankind. There is congruence in oral and Biblical accounts, as well in the two holy lands. Now, consider the distance apart of the two places, in an age when there were no phones, television, radio, maps....but yet they successfully nailed the origin and genesis accounts in the Bible.

In any case, the issue of language classification is a wash. The grouping is made on assumptions, it is an approximation based on information available to the person that mapped the languages in the 1800s. If Hausa lived in the forest belt it would also have been classified as a Niger/Congo. Go and look in Hausa language (minus the donations from Arabic) and Igbo language, there are just as many similarities as you will find between Igbo and Yoruba. Did the language mapper not know this? We are at a time when almost every citizen of a nation have a degree as basic qualification, yet there will be multitudes without a single shred of enlightenement in their spirit. So let's caution ourselves about waving the banner of scholarship everytime there is discussion on mundane issues that posession of scholarship will not make a dint of difference to advance. If Igbo language was located in the North it would have been classified as a Nilotic. I agree with baba, the mappers had no knowledge of the tongues they were indexing beyond the need to help their missionary interests and ease the work of teaching religion.


Just for thoughts read the below and see that these are also scholars and experts in same field of professional expertise as the scholars and experts on your side of the argument.

THE ODUDUWAN REVOLUTION

In the first chapter, we talked about the aboriginal nature of the Yoruban peoples. In this chapter, we shall talk of a possible migration from ancient Egypt. Many traditions point to a fact that an alien group (Egyptians) immigrated to Yoruba land and mixed with the original population.

Many oral traditions are replete with these stories. The Awujale of Ijebu land has shown that the Ijebus are descended from ancient Nubia (a colony of Egypt). He was able to use the evidence of language, body, scarification, coronation rituals that are similar to Nubians� etc, to show that the Ijebus are descendants of the Nubians. What the present Awujale claimed for the Ijebus, can be authenticated all over Yoruba land. The Awujale even mentioned (2004) that the Itsekiri (an eastern Yoruba dialect) are speaking the original Ijebu language.

Since the Nubians were descended or colonized by the Egyptians, the Ijebu, and by extension, all Yoruba customs, derived from the Egyptian. Many traditional Yorubas have always claimed Egypt as their place of original abode, and that their monarchical tradition derives from the Egyptians�. Apostle Atigbiofor Atsuliaghan, a high priest of Umale-Okun, and a direct descendant of Orunmila, claimed that the Yorubas left Egypt as a result of a big war that engulfed the whole of Egypt. He said the Egyptian remnants settled in various places, two important places being Ode Itsekiri and Ile-Ife.Chief O.N Rewane says �Oral tradition has it also that when the Yorubas came from South of Egypt they did not go straight to where they now occupy. They settled at Illushi, some at Asaba area � Ebu, Olukumi Ukwunzu while some settled at Ode-Itsekiri,.� (O.N. Rewane Royalty Magazine A PICTORIAL SOUVENIR OF THE BURIAL AND CORONATION OF OLU OF WARRI, WARRI 1987)

Since these oral traditions are passed on by very illiterate people, we can augment whatever is recorded with written sources. Concerning the migration of some of the Yoruban ancestors from the east, Conton says:

The Yoruba of Nigeria are believed by many modern historians to be descended from a people who were living on the banks of the Nile 2,000 years ago, and who were at the time in close contact with the Egyptians and the Jews. Sometime before AD 600, if this belief is correct, this people must have left their fertile lands, for reasons which we can not now discover and have joined in the ceaseless movement of tribes west wards and south-wards across our continent.

We can only guess at the many adventures they and their descendants must have had on their long journey and at the number of generations which passed before they arrived. All we can be certain about is that they were a Negro people (of which ancient Egypt probably had at least one community as we have seen) and that one of the many princely states they founded on their arrival in West Africa�..was Ife.� Conton WF (1960. 71

Although we agree with Conton that some of the Yoruban ancestors migrated from Egypt, we tend to toe the scientific line of Cheik Anta Diop, that the ancient Egyptians were pure Negroes.

Aderibigbe, an indigenous scholar, also accepts that the Yorubas migrated from Egypt. He says:

�The general trend of these theories, most of them based on Yoruba traditions, is that of a possible origin from �the east�. Some scholars, impressed by the similarities between Yoruba and ancient Egyptian culture � religious observation, works of art, burial and other customs � speak of a possible migration of the ancestors of the Yoruba from the upper Nile (as early as 2000BC � 1000BC) as a result of some upheavals in ancient Egypt�. (AB ADERIBIGBE 1976)

Unlike Conton, Aderibigbe was able to pinpoint a cause for the Yoruban migration � war. Olumide Lucas did a lot of job to show similarities and identities between the ancient Egyptians and the Yoruban peoples. The date that Aderibigbe gave (2000BC � 1000BC) is much earlier than that given by Conton. Aderibigbe�s date corresponds to that of the Hyksos invasion of Egypt 2000-1500BC. On the possible eastern origin of the Yorubas, Tariqh Sawandi says:

�The Yoruba history begins with the migration of an east African population across the trans-African route leading from Mid-Nile river area to the Mid-Niger. Archaeologists, according to M. Omoleya, inform us that the Nigerian region was inhabited more than forty thousand years ago, or as far back as 65,000BC. During this period, the Nok culture occupied the region. The Nok culture was visited by the �Yoruba people�, between 2000BC and 500BC. This group of people was led, according to Yoruba historical accounts by king Oduduwa, who settled peacefully in the already established Ile-Ife, the sacred city of the indigenous Nok people.

This time period is known as the Bronze Age, a time of high civilization of both of these groups. According to Olumide J. Lucas, �the Yoruba, during antiquity, lived in ancient Egypt before migrating to the Atlantic coast�. He uses as demonstration the similarity or identity of languages, religious beliefs, customs and names of persons, places and things. In addition, many ancient papyri discovered by archaeologists point at an Egyptian origin. (Tariqh Sawandi: Yorubic medicine: The Art of divine herbology � online article).

Ademoyega commented that the Ekiti section of the Yorubas must have migrated to their present area around 638AD when the Muslims took over Egypt and forced some of the Yoruba people to migrate to their present area.

So, we see that the Yoruba did not come in one migration, but in many different migrations � in waves. The first possible migration might be connected with the Hyksos invasion. Some words in the Yoruban vocabulary echo the words used in Egypt in predynastic times and in the early dynastic periods. Some Egyptian gods of this period have strong identities with Yoruban deities. For instance, gods such as Adumu (Adumu) Hepi (Ipi) Ausar (Ausa), Horise (Orise), and S�mi (S�mi) Nam (Inama) are present in Yoruba. All these gods existed in the pre-dynastic and early dynastic periods of Egypt. TODAY, AMONG THE ITSEKIRI-YORUBAS ,THESE GODS CAN STILL BE PHYSICALLY SEEN, AT LEAST, ONCE A YEAR! Neighbouring peoples are already initiated into the various gods systems and beliefs in yorubaland.the agban ancestral worship was first organized in Urhoboland during the funeral ceremony of chief Ayomanor of Sapele (1949). The Ipi system was first organized in Urhoboland in March 11, 2005.

We can also see words that existed in the Graeco-Roman period in some of the Yoruban dialects. When the Romans took over Egypt, they infiltrated the Egyptian area with their language. In present Yoruba, we can still find words of Roman descent. For instance, the Yoruba called the palm frond �Mariwo�. This word is derived form the Latin Rivus (River). One of the declensions of river is Rivo (by the river).Since the Yoruban possesses no �V�, the word become riwo. Thus, the word �Omariwo� means the child by the river. Some other words like Sangi (blood in Itsekiri-yoruba dialect) thought to have been derived form the Portuguese were actually brought as a result of the Roman Conquest of Egypt. Sangi is blood and the Latin term is Sanguis. Some eastern Yoruba use the term �Ihagi� which is clearly a corruption of the Roman Sanguis. A Christian army in 540AD invaded Egypt and some persons believed to have reached Yoruba land were driven from Egypt.

With the commencement of the Arab period in Egypt, some indigenous Egyptians who never wanted to accept the Islamic religion escaped to present Yoruba land. It was probably in this period that words such as Keferi (Kafri pagan in Arab) infiltrated into the Yoruboid vocabulary.

All said and done, more than fifty percent of the Yoruboid vocabulary of today can be deduced either directly or indirectly from the ancient Egyptian. These are the original ancient Egyptian language devoid of Arab and Latin words that are very few in the Yoruboid vocabulary

It is not really certain when king Oduduwa came from Egypt. He must have come in one of the many migrations. But since the Yoruba religious discourse has a lot of identities with Egyptian, Oduduwa would have left Egypt at a very early period perhaps after the Hyksos invasion of 2000-1500BC ,but not later than 30BC.

Hati13:

Both aren’t migrant.


Beside linguistic, genetic also say that Yoruba originated around West African.

Yes Ethiopian spirituality is unique but same also for many other African groups. This can’t be taken as an indicator for a ppl to be non native.


Eritreans and Ethiopians follow the same Orthodox Christianity.


If no Yoruba linguistic say Yoruba language isn’t part of Niger-Congo like you say, then it means Yoruba linguistic don’t want to accept the truth. But I said LIKE YOU SAID, since there are some who accept it.

Many yoruba linguists haven't enough fund to do more critical studies and analysis on CLUMSY classification of language in Benue- Congo environment . Infact a linguist known by the name BLENCH has proposed a new branch of Benue–Congo that's model after GREENBERG's Benue-Congo . Are these people well studied to even classified a people that call kwa as ‘human being' and the one that calls human being ‘Ènia or Èniyan?' You can get the full pdf for your perusal. I wonder, how some people will inform you about a group of people based on personal opinion and you want to hook line and sinker into it. You can do better than this.

I will be back soon for my revelation.

What the What?

Olu317:
Hmmmmm, well, maltreatment isn't the basis of this thread but humans historical account and possible migration. At every time in centuries, one group or another, dominates the world and not new. Even you, can be an interbred man or woman. And we all have our ancestors account. Let digress a little. Do you know Tee Mac father was a White man? Do you know, Ramsey Noah's father was from Middle East(Israel axis)? , Do you know one of the daughter of Babatunde Idiagbon is married to a Caucasian? The point, here is that people have right to claim their ancestry. Do you know Bob Marley's father was a white Irish man? Google and learn.I am a human being and not by colour. I stand exceptional amongst equal. This is my ancestors strength and till infinity, so shall we be.

Stop being delusional man! You guys didnt came from arabs! You have more in common with us cushites than with them. It's ridiculous nowadays how some africans "claim" ancestry with certain groups of people.

12salim:


Stop being delusional man! You guys didnt came from arabs! You have more in common with us cushites than with them. It's ridiculous nowadays how some africans "claim" ancestry with certain groups of people.

Delusional? Mentioning Arab origin does not necessarily mean Arabians. Arabia peninsula inhabited different group of people in the past and they lived within their territories.These also doesn't mean, Some Yoruba's identity weren't Arabians from their historic account. The same way an Irishman-Caucasian descendants may claim to be a white man's descendants even if s/he looked brownish in his her skin. Well, each and everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. But guess, what ? Archeology has a way of reconnecting the present to the past. Below is an excavated sculpture of twelfth dynasty ruler in Iraq and beyond(Babylonian territory). His facial features will help you understand what migration could do due to enslavement , famine, annihilation or overthrown of previous dynasty and beyond this.

And for those comparing IFA corpus, to AFA's knowledge of Eastern region, is/are a bunch of joker(s) because the tenets of Yoruba's IFA aren't the same as Ibo's AFA. Some scholars that practice and vast in Yoruba's IFA corpus made it possible for united nation to embrace it and it became a worldwide heritage. And this IFA knowledge litters over the Internet and if interested,there is even a bold practioner on NL. So go help yourself and see the difference between the two. Yoruba brought IFA with them, which simply mean,anyone ,group, outside Yoruba's enclave who weren't a priestly Yoruba lineage or apprentice of such had the knowledge through Yoruba people.

MetaPhysical:
To Olaochi and Hati,

The discussion on Yoruba origin, its language, its relationship to Arab or Jew or Egyptian, is far older than any of us. None of us was there and we can only rely on submissions made using historical tractions via arts, oral records and as well new and modern tools for approximating events.

Precisely because none of us were there is why you need to provide evidence. you cannot make historical claims based on your imaginary and religious fantasies, which also challenge established propositions based on facts. You need actual evidence which you can only get if you have studied or explored the subject matter thoroughly

To be Honest, I dont see how you can even acquire evidence that Yoruba is not a Niger-congo language, when there is evidence that it is.
But if you cherish your beliefs so much you can try, take a course in African linguistics and publish your findings as an academic work in your capacity as a Scholar. You would be contributing immensely to the World's wealth of Knowledge

There are two camps here on this issue, the side that supports Yoruba is aborigene and the other which claims Yoruba is migrant. The migration camp is where I belong, and I know it's where Olu belongs, Babaramota is a recent convert to this. None of us doubt or deny that people were living on this land before the migrants. In fact we acknowledge that there are two civilizations merged into one and now known as YORUBA. Yoruba is an identity for the migrants, whereas Ugbo is an identity for the aborigenes that pre-existed on the land before Yoruba arrival. There were also contention in the past as to the nativity of the migrants and the question of whether they were origins of Ile-Ife, from where they initially migrated out, and then returned home at a later time in human memory....or if they were origins of AfroAsia and settled a unknown geolocation now known as Yorubaland.

The fact that you mention Olu and 'new convert' Babaramota and not some University professors or Renowned Historians means that you know very well that you are a cult-like group of individuals in the minority without scholastic or expert backing, similar to black hebrew israelites in the US or Nation of Islam or even (without terrorism) the KKK.

A proper historian would provide evidence, because like you said we were not there so the issue of just sitting somewhere and inventing things is non-academic and a threat to Yoruba history, especially due to the lack of written records and necessity to rely on traditional sources eg. language, festivals, orally passed information, Art etc

"Yoruba is an Identity for migrants" how interesting.
I thought 'yoruba' is an identity for all the people of west africa who speak dialects of the Yoruba language, the term 'yoruba' originally referring exclusively to the Oyo Empire before expanding as an Ethnic nomenclature for all native Yoruba speakers.

Was I wrong

Old Testament says origin of man was Eden and after expulsion they moved East. Historians placed this East in Nineveh. How could the Yoruba ancestors have known of a place called Nineveh and claim it as their homeland? Impossible! But they claimed a place know as IleIfe as not only their homeland, but as the origin of mankind. There is congruence in oral and Biblical accounts, as well in the two holy lands. Now, consider the distance apart of the two places, in an age when there were no phones, television, radio, maps....but yet they successfully nailed the origin and genesis accounts in the Bible.

First of all, the genesis account of the bible is not actual history, it is called Christian mythology, which is an incomplete version of the wider Jewish mythology, which itself is a copy of the various myths of Mesopotamia.
Why would you bring this up when talking about history?

Now of course not all myths are false but in this case the myth that Man originated somewhere along the Euphrates river in Asia is false as man originated in Africa

And I fail to see how Ile-ife has anything to do with Nineveh or how yoruba traditions of origin fit into biblical accounts?. If Yorubas claim Ife as their homeland and origin of mankind doesn't that all debunk your claim that 'Yoruba' are migrants?

In any case, the issue of language classification is a wash. The grouping is made on assumptions, it is an approximation based on information available to the person that mapped the languages in the 1800s. If Hausa lived in the forest belt it would also have been classified as a Niger/Congo. Go and look in Hausa language (minus the donations from Arabic) and Igbo language, there are just as many similarities as you will find between Igbo and Yoruba. Did the language mapper not know this? We are at a time when almost every citizen of a nation have a degree as basic qualification, yet there will be multitudes without a single shred of enlightenement in their spirit. So let's caution ourselves about waving the banner of scholarship everytime there is discussion on mundane issues that posession of scholarship will not make a dint of difference to advance. If Igbo language was located in the North it would have been classified as a Nilotic. I agree with baba, the mappers had no knowledge of the tongues they were indexing beyond the need to help their missionary interests and ease the work of teaching religion.

How nice, well I already gave examples of Languages which are not grouped into the same category as other surrounding languages above which you read and like I said when you become a Linguist you can argue this out with Linguists all over the world. Go get that education and expertise and contribute to Social Science. Any sane person will stick to learned publications not allegations without actually studying the languages yourself

Olu317:
And for those comparing IFA corpus, to AFA's knowledge of Eastern region, is/are a bunch of joker(s) because the tenets of Yoruba's IFA aren't the same as Ibo's AFA. Some scholars that practice and vast in Yoruba's IFA corpus made it possible for united nation to embrace it and it became a worldwide heritage. And this IFA knowledge litters over the Internet and if interested,there is even a bold practioner on NL. So go help yourself and see the difference between the two. Yoruba brought IFA with them, which simply mean,anyone ,group, outside Yoruba's enclave who weren't a priestly Yoruba lineage or apprentice of such had the knowledge through Yoruba people.

Of course since Yoruba is not Igbo, the tenets of their traditions cannot be the same, after about 3000 years of separation you dont expect Afa to be exactly like Ifa , there are however similarities which i would gladly point out if you can find Ifa among the Hebrews or Arabs


The bolded statement requires evidence please. And also, i find it contradictory to your first statement... if Afa is nothing like Ifa, why then say Afa was gotten from Yorubas

Olu317:
Many yoruba linguists haven't enough fund to do more critical studies and analysis on CLUMSY classification of language in Benue- Congo environment . Infact a linguist known by the name BLENCH has proposed a new branch of Benue–Congo that's model after GREENBERG's Benue-Congo . Are these people well studied to even classified a people that call kwa as ‘human being' and the one that calls human being ‘Ènia or Èniyan?' You can get the full pdf for your perusal. I wonder, how some people will inform you about a group of people based on personal opinion and you want to hook line and sinker into it. You can do better than this.

I will be back soon for my revelation.

Niger-Congo is a super family language so there are a lot of diversity within it. But the languages within it are more related to each other than with other languages. So the word for a specific term can be different.

There might be mistake by linguistic within Niger-Congo but it seems very improbable between other super families, meaning there can be a mistake made in the classification of Yoruba with Niger-Congo sub branches but there is no mistake in placing Yoruba under the broader Niger-Congo.

BabaRamota1980,

Here is concrete proof for the Ethiopian version of Queen of Sheba story to be more probable than Yoruba one.

https://thomaslmcdonald./2012/06/25/levantine-dna-in-ethiopia-may-support-biblical-story/amp/

Hati13:

Niger-Congo is a super family language so there are a lot of diversity within it. But the languages within it are more related to each other than with other languages. So the word for a specific term can be different.

There might be mistake by linguistic within Niger-Congo but it seems very improbable between other super families, meaning there can be a mistake made in the classification of Yoruba with Niger-Congo sub branches but there is no mistake in placing Yoruba under the broader Niger-Congo.

You see , Niger-congo isnt related language but descriptive of the location, where people lived and identifying such peoples language affinity,as far as I am concerned. Although I don't have problem if there is genuineness in the part of the people/linguists that grouped the Language. But this is not so, because a language such as Igbo–Bantoid was written in Nsibidi ,while Yoruba was written in Ajami in the past,which was Arabic related form of writing. How do the linguists now classify them together if not laziness and bias grouping? The words that I had posted which were Semitic don't exist in these other groups that Yoruba was grouped with. How then, are Yoruba related to these people if not biasness? According to Kay Williamson scale, Igala that is a yoruboid is only a related dialect to Yoruba's but didn't pass as a Yoruba language because, it doesn't have 70% lexicons in her dialect, which must be attained before it can be called same language. Despite this, I don't have big problem with Igala's dialect because indeed ancient Yorubas intermarried with different set of people, which necessitated the partial related spoken language. Now, if Yoruba language is properly classified,it ought to fall into Afro-Asia/Semitic language ,because daily spoken words in ancient Egypt was said to be 50% percentage in Yoruba's lexicon. And the Edekiri languages that yoruba has been grouped properly are spoken in a band across Togo, Benin and Nigeria. The group includes:
the Ede dialect cluster , including Ife ;
Itsekiri (Nigeria, up to 1 million speakers); and
the Yoruba languages Ulukwumi , Mokole , and other yoruba dialects.
And if there is need to for Yoruba to be grouped , while not let be grouped alongside with her related speakers, instead of confusion, all over the place.

References
Hammarström, Harald; Forkel, Robert; Haspelmath, Martin, eds. (2017). "Edekiri"
Jena, Germany: Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History.

Olu317:
You see , Niger-congo isnt related language but descriptive of the location, where people lived and identifying such peoples language affinity,as far as I am concerned. Although I don't have problem if there is genuineness in the part of the people/linguists that grouped the Language. But this is not so, because a language such as Igbo–Bantoid was written in Nsibidi ,while Yoruba was written in Ajami in the past,which was Arabic related form of writing. How do the linguists now classify them together if not laziness and bias grouping? The words that I had posted which were Semitic don't exist in these other groups that Yoruba was grouped with. How then, are Yoruba related to these people if not biasness? According to Kay Williamson scale, Igala that is a yoruboid is only a related dialect to Yoruba's but didn't pass as a Yoruba language because, it doesn't have 70% lexicons in her dialect, which must be attained before it can be called same language. Despite this, I don't have big problem with Igala's dialect because indeed ancient Yorubas intermarried with different set of people, which necessitated the partial related spoken language. Now, if Yoruba language is properly classified,it ought to fall into Afro-Asia/Semitic language ,because daily spoken words in ancient Egypt was said to be 50% percentage in Yoruba's lexicon. And the Edekiri languages that yoruba has been grouped properly are spoken in a band across Togo, Benin and Nigeria. The group includes:
the Ede dialect cluster , including Ife ;
Itsekiri (Nigeria, up to 1 million speakers); and
the Yoruba languages Ulukwumi , Mokole , and other yoruba dialects.
And if there is need to for Yoruba to be grouped , while not let be grouped alongside with her related speakers, instead of confusion, all over the place.

References
Hammarström, Harald; Forkel, Robert; Haspelmath, Martin, eds. (2017). "Edekiri"
Jena, Germany: Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History.

You can’t deny that Niger-Congo languages aren’t related because at one point in the past there was a single language, proto-Niger-Congo, in which all the current Niger-Congo languages descended for. No one is being biase here. Yoruba isn’t being classified as Semitic because it isn’t.

The little similarities between Yoruba and Arabic in vocabulary is as a result of the latter influencing the former after the birth of Islam. And Yoruba starting to be written using Ajami only from 17th century onwards and this is also Arabic influence.

And why do you show Yoruba-Ancient Egyptian similarities to show the similarities of Yoruba with Semitic? Semitic languages and ancient Egyptian language are 2 separate family languages. I know you used the boarder Afroasiatic which fits your claim. But if you want to be specific, either say Semitic or Ancient Egyptian. But even if you put one of them, the reality doesn’t agree with your claim.

Hati13:

You can’t deny that Niger-Congo languages aren’t related because at one point in the past there was a single language, proto-Niger-Congo, in which all the current Niger-Congo languages descended for. No one is being biase here. Yoruba isn’t being classified as Semitic because it isn’t.

The little similarities between Yoruba and Arabic in vocabulary is as a result of the latter influencing the former after the birth of Islam. And Yoruba starting to be written using Ajami only from 17th century onwards and this is also Arabic influence.

And why do you show Yoruba-Ancient Egyptian similarities to show the similarities of Yoruba with Semitic? Semitic languages and ancient Egyptian language are 2 separate family languages. I know you used the boarder Afroasiatic which fits your claim. But if you want to be specific, either say Semitic or Ancient Egyptian. But even if you put one of them, the reality doesn’t agree with your claim.

As a native speaker of Yoruba language,with good knowledge of the language,who understood the fact that some words are shared words with Yoruba's will attest to such words. In the beginning, there were no record that Yoruba became related to these other groups genealogically, except the places Yoruba descendants infiltrate such environment, then guess what? Such Yoruba descendants kept pointing to their direction, where they came from so as to distinguished themselves from their immediate neighbours. This is a pointer to acknowledge the ancient heritage and the method of recounting their ancestral link to their ethnicity. Whereever they are ,their footprint is recorded intensely. This is how the ancient Yoruba kept record of their ancestral linkage. Is it not an amazement for Yoruba to be so proud of where they came from and kept such for thousands of years even when some part of the history had become forgotten ? Don't be fooled about some biased scholars here ,who chose not to acknowledged shared words with Semitic but claimed it to be transferred through religious link,which is baseless. I am a Yoruba man and have done research on these words.
Let me once again highlight six different one that their etymology of ancient word of Yorubas, dont exist with others in west Africa , because IFA corpus identified them. Namely

1. Ògún(man) was said to be a ruthless warrior/man of valour.

2. Ilé Oosa mi/Ulé Oosa mi/ U/IléOrisa mi,simply mean, the
land of my ancestors (Where I pray/worship my ancestors/gods).

3. Éla -ro wa is the word of Éledumarè's force of creation.

4. Aanu is mercy in Yoruba language.

5. È/éyé is bird in Yoruba language.

6. Alèjo mean Stranger/ visitor

And these words/ name above have closely related meaning with AfroAsia–Semitic language.

1. Etymology of ‘Og’ which makes sense of his association with the warriors of the Rephaim is, as Chaim Rabin suggested, something similar to the South Semitic ǵwg , meaning ‘man’ or ‘man of valour’

2.. "Ursalim" ( the city of the god) is most likely a compound of two words in Western Semitic (a prehistoric language that would later birth Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, Ethiopic and more): the verb yaru (“to establish”) and the name Shalim (or Salem), the Canaanite god of dusk.

3. Eli mean God is semitic/Hebrew language

4.Hannon/Hannah means merciful in modern Hebrew

5. Aya/Aiah means bird.

6. Haj/Hajj means visitor

These words were eternal with Yoruba people and not borrowed. And you can't find such word elsewhere except Yoruba's habitations.Even the domesticated loan words are noted easily because ancient Yoruba words are used for conjuring, incantation etc

Do you even know the ancient Dark skin Nubians/Ethiopian had a different feature,as compared to Yoruba's?

Do you know there is reburial in yoruba tradition of the dead from the abode that such was buried to another if need arose ? You can find it in Hebrew tradition

Do you the sculptural heads of royal members/ kings of Yoruba that were dug out don't look like a proper Dark skin of ancient Nubians/ Ethiopians?

Do you know that after a woman must stay indoor for 40 days after she gave birth in ancient Yoruba tradition? You can find it in law of moses

In fact, the most respected colour in Yoruba's cosmetology is white because it denote ‘purity' and always use in burying of the dead nd cleansing etc.

Even when it appears in African religious context, the attachment of importance is different from that of Yoruba's.

Investigate the semitic–Hebrew group and see what the colour white symbolise and attachment to it

In ancient times, the most dominant group's language was the lingua franca. Funny enough, at the peak of Ethiopia/Nubia( Dark skin ) reign as Pharaoh, ancient Ethiopia was mentioned in Sanskrit writing of India And she covered Asia minor, Arabia,syria,Nubia,
Armenia,Mesopotamia, and beyond, according to Puranas while Wilford who was a eminent student of literature of India confirmed said . So it was easy for Language to be understood, develop and spoken through living with in these people before Ethiopia's Pharaoh were defeated. And new powers begun to emerge from different parts that ancient Ethiopia ruled.

Olu317:
As a native speaker of Yoruba language,with good knowledge of the language,who understood the fact that some words are shared words with Yoruba's will attest to such words. In the beginning, there were no record that Yoruba became related to these other groups genealogically, except the places Yoruba descendants infiltrate such environment, then guess what? Such Yoruba descendants kept pointing to their direction, where they came from so as to distinguished themselves from their immediate neighbours. This is a pointer to acknowledge the ancient heritage and the method of recounting their ancestral link to their ethnicity. Whereever they are ,their footprint is recorded intensely. This is how the ancient Yoruba kept record of their ancestral linkage. Is it not an amazement for Yoruba to be so proud of where they came from and kept such for thousands of years even when some part of the history had become forgotten ? Don't be fooled about some biased scholars here ,who chose not to acknowledged shared words with Semitic but claimed it to be transferred through religious link,which is baseless. I am a Yoruba man and have done research on these words.
Let me once again highlight six different one that their etymology of ancient word of Yorubas, dont exist with others in west Africa , because IFA corpus identified them. Namely

1. Ògún(man) was said to be a ruthless warrior/man of valour.

2. Ilé Oosa mi/Ulé Oosa mi/ U/IléOrisa mi,simply mean, the
land of my ancestors (Where I pray/worship my ancestors/gods).

3. Éla -ro wa is the word of Éledumarè's force of creation.

4. Aanu is mercy in Yoruba language.

5. È/éyé is bird in Yoruba language.

6. Alèjo mean Stranger/ visitor

And these words/ name above have closely related meaning with AfroAsia–Semitic language.

1. Etymology of ‘Og’ which makes sense of his association with the warriors of the Rephaim is, as Chaim Rabin suggested, something similar to the South Semitic ǵwg , meaning ‘man’ or ‘man of valour’

2.. "Ursalim" ( the city of the god) is most likely a compound of two words in Western Semitic (a prehistoric language that would later birth Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, Ethiopic and more): the verb yaru (“to establish”) and the name Shalim (or Salem), the Canaanite god of dusk.

3. Eli mean God is semitic/Hebrew language

4.Hannon/Hannah means merciful in modern Hebrew

5. Aya/Aiah means bird.

6. Haj/Hajj means visitor

These words were eternal with Yoruba people and not borrowed. And you can't find such word elsewhere except Yoruba's habitations.Even the domesticated loan words are noted easily because ancient Yoruba words are used for conjuring, incantation etc

Do you even know the ancient Dark skin Nubians/Ethiopian had a different feature,as compared to Yoruba's?

Do you know there is reburial in yoruba tradition of the dead from the abode that such was buried to another if need arose ? You can find it in Hebrew tradition

Do you the sculptural heads of royal members/ kings of Yoruba that were dug out don't look like a proper Dark skin of ancient Nubians/ Ethiopians?

Do you know that after a woman must stay indoor for 40 days after she gave birth in ancient Yoruba tradition? You can find it in law of moses

In fact, the most respected colour in Yoruba's cosmetology is white because it denote ‘purity' and always use in burying of the dead nd cleansing etc.

Even when it appears in African religious context, the attachment of importance is different from that of Yoruba's.

Investigate the semitic–Hebrew group and see what the colour white symbolise and attachment to it

In ancient times, the most dominant group's language was the lingua franca. Funny enough, at the peak of Ethiopia/Nubia( Dark skin ) reign as Pharaoh, ancient Ethiopia was mentioned in Sanskrit writing of India And she covered Asia minor, Arabia,syria,Nubia,
Armenia,Mesopotamia, and beyond, according to Puranas while Wilford who was a eminent student of literature of India confirmed said . So it was easy for Language to be understood, develop and spoken through living with in these people before Ethiopia's Pharaoh were defeated. And new powers begun to emerge from different parts that ancient Ethiopia ruled.

The words were borrowed.

If ancient Yoruba weren’t black then why are current Yoruba black?

Hati13:

The words were borrowed.

If ancient Yoruba weren’t black then why are current Yoruba black?

Well, if you say so but your statement is incorrect. Considering the panegyric of Yorubas that relate to Ogun ,the name exist in the historical account of Yorubas and comparable to King who was associated with war. So also other names that I mentioned appeared and exist in Yoruba's names . Despite some inconsistency, Professor Dierk Lange, still acknowedged Yorubas as having traces Jewish tradition in his book,like others did in the late19th century. If I may ask you, how did Amharic language came into existence? Ancient people who lived in places covering, sudan/Nubia/Ethiopia/Caucasians/
Arabia,Mesopotomia/Syria,etc had different humanoid features. Take for instance, If your forefather was a Nubian/Cushite and married a white woman and generation thereafter continues,because of probable proximity of location,What complexion,would such have? And the same is applicable to a white man/ Caucasians. Try visit South and North America or google different countries Yoruba inhabit and check out yorubas complexion and compare with yorubas in West Africa. Today, Ethiopia have a form of distinct look but during the reign of earlier Egytian Pharaohs that Ethiopia ruled ,they were dark skin and pure Black men. But today, Ethiopia today inhabit different facial features that are closely related to Afro/Asia minor/ Arabia's etc .How did such happen if not intermarriage? . Again, I will explain certain feature of old Ethiopia/Nubian royal way of burial which is different from Yoruba's and this will shock you knew. Infact, you may deny

Hati13,

This was was dug out after professor Leo Frienobus excavations at ILE IFE in 1910/1912
I am sure you will say Yoruba borrowed such sculpture work. And you are wrong because such fit have not be replicated again. All it means is that the sculpture heads and ancient Art work are pointer to where these people came from,which is within ancient Middle East . And if you place the distance from Nigeria( South West) through all the semitic- Afroasia enclave and consider that era that planes didn't exist?I am sure it will be impossible for such transferred of knowledge. The artifacts are testimony of yoruba excellence in Art Work . Well, I am waiting for anyone with concrete information against these seemingly truth

Olu317:
As a native speaker of Yoruba language,with good knowledge of the language,who understood the fact that some words are shared words with Yoruba's will attest to such words.

You are not the only native yoruba speaker stop misleading people here with falsehood.

In the beginning, there were no record that Yoruba became related to these other groups genealogically, except the places Yoruba descendants infiltrate such environment, then guess what? Such Yoruba descendants kept pointing to their direction, where they came from so as to distinguished themselves from their immediate neighbours. This is a pointer to acknowledge the ancient heritage and the method of recounting their ancestral link to their ethnicity. Whereever they are ,their footprint is recorded intensely. This is how the ancient Yoruba kept record of their ancestral linkage. Is it not an amazement for Yoruba to be so proud of where they came from and kept such for thousands of years even when some part of the history had become forgotten ?

And yet Yoruba did not keep any traditional record of coming from the middle east? The Olukumi you are referring to didnt forget where they came from, some clans among the Ga people of Accra didnt forget where they came from, the Akus of Sierra Leone didnt forget where they came all that is true but why bring this up as if it helps your argument? Or are you trying to say Yoruba never forget where they came from but we forget we came from the Middle East?

Don't be fooled about some biased scholars here ,who chose not to acknowledged shared words with Semitic but claimed it to be transferred through religious link,which is baseless. I am a Yoruba man and have done research on these words.
Let me once again highlight six different one that their etymology of ancient word of Yorubas, dont exist with others in west Africa , because IFA corpus identified them. Namely

1. Ògún(man) was said to be a ruthless warrior/man of valour.

2. Ilé Oosa mi/Ulé Oosa mi/ U/IléOrisa mi,simply mean, the
land of my ancestors (Where I pray/worship my ancestors/gods).

3. Éla -ro wa is the word of Éledumarè's force of creation.

4. Aanu is mercy in Yoruba language.

5. È/éyé is bird in Yoruba language.

6. Alèjo mean Stranger/ visitor

And these words/ name above have closely related meaning with AfroAsia–Semitic language.

1. Etymology of ‘Og’ which makes sense of his association with the warriors of the Rephaim is, as Chaim Rabin suggested, something similar to the South Semitic ǵwg , meaning ‘man’ or ‘man of valour’

2.. "Ursalim" ( the city of the god) is most likely a compound of two words in Western Semitic (a prehistoric language that would later birth Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, Ethiopic and more): the verb yaru (“to establish”) and the name Shalim (or Salem), the Canaanite god of dusk.

3. Eli mean God is semitic/Hebrew language

4.Hannon/Hannah means merciful in modern Hebrew

5. Aya/Aiah means bird.

6. Haj/Hajj means visitor

These words were eternal with Yoruba people and not borrowed. And you can't find such word elsewhere except Yoruba's habitations.Even the domesticated loan words are noted easily because ancient Yoruba words are used for conjuring, incantation etc

Good now finally you are making progress, you are now bringing linguistic samples to examine your claim
Just to point out -
Ogu is found among the Fon and Ewe people and worshipped as the Loa of metal workings just as the Yoruba do Ogun. The Igala have Ogun.

Ile Oosa means house of Oosa/Orisa..2 words. to put simply a 'temple'


Now whats to say these 6 words are not rare coincidence that happen between any two unrelated languages of the world because as every normal person knows, because two words spell alike, or sound alike doesnt always mean a connection, what about the etymology and thought behind the word? Well here are 6 similar words between Yoruba and Japanese

Yoruba Japanese.
Ogun Shogun. Both relating to Military
Ese Asi. Leg
oko Otto. Husband
Omi Mizu water
Ado(a city) Edo(a city)
Osukpa Otsuki. Moon




6 words doesnt cut it Olu, that is less than 0.5% lexical similarity... 6 words that we do not have clarity on Etymology

Study more till you can find at least half of the yoruba lexicon to be of Semitic languages

Do you even know the ancient Dark skin Nubians/Ethiopian had a different feature,as compared to Yoruba's?

Do you know there is reburial in yoruba tradition of the dead from the abode that such was buried to another if need arose ? You can find it in Hebrew tradition

Do you the sculptural heads of royal members/ kings of Yoruba that were dug out don't look like a proper Dark skin of ancient Nubians/ Ethiopians?

Do you know that after a woman must stay indoor for 40 days after she gave birth in ancient Yoruba tradition? You can find it in law of moses

In fact, the most respected colour in Yoruba's cosmetology is white because it denote ‘purity' and always use in burying of the dead nd cleansing etc.

Even when it appears in African religious context, the attachment of importance is different from that of Yoruba's.

Investigate the semitic–Hebrew group and see what the colour white symbolise and attachment to it

Reburial tradition or transferring dead bodies is present all over the world, Africa especially. This is not peculiar to Hebrews and Yorubas. In fact it was rare among hebrews, if ever done at all.

White denotes purity in all cultures.. site something peculiar. Seclusion after childbirth is actually 41 days in yoruba traditions. And many cultures have that too. medically it takes 6 weeks for a mother to recover which is around 42 days


Oh and answer my previous questions, don't leave them hanging... if you believe yoruba are hebrews so much you should be able to answer them
1. identify the yoruba art from the pictures i post
2. where is Ifa among the hebrews
3. where is evidence that Igbo, Fon, Ewe, Igala etc all Niger-congo language speakers got their versions of Ifa from Yoruba

Olu317,

I didn’t and won’t deny now that those artifacts aren’t the work of Yoruba. And why would I be shocked if the burial of Yoruba and Nubia to be different. The 2 ppl are very different and live long distance apart so difference in culture is expected.

Amharic and all the other EthioSemitic languages developed from proto-EthioSemitic. The latter came from a proto-Semitic that was native to Ethiopia.

And except for light skin feature, the other features of Ethiopians isn’t as a result of mixing but are native to the area. This also disprove your claim that during the pharaoh period Ethiopians look pure black. In fact they had less negriod ancestry than their current descendants.

You are clearly obsessed with Semitic and the Middle East just like African-Americans are obsessed with Moors and Ancient Egypt. You speak a Niger-Congo language and look similar with other West Africans but you don’t want to accept it. You deny your blackness.

OlaoChi:
Precisely because none of us were there is why you need to provide evidence. you cannot make historical claims based on your imaginary and religious fantasies, which also challenge established propositions based on facts. You need actual evidence which you can only get if you have studied or explored the subject matter thoroughly

To be Honest, I dont see how you can even acquire evidence that Yoruba is not a Niger-congo language, when there is evidence that it is.
But if you cherish your beliefs so much you can try, take a course in African linguistics and publish your findings as an academic work in your capacity as a Scholar. You would be contributing immensely to the World's wealth of Knowledge

The fact that you mention Olu and 'new convert' Babaramota and not some University professors or Renowned Historians means that you know very well that you are a cult-like group of individuals in the minority without scholastic or expert backing, similar to black hebrew israelites in the US or Nation of Islam or even (without terrorism) the KKK.

A proper historian would provide evidence, because like you said we were not there so the issue of just sitting somewhere and inventing things is non-academic and a threat to Yoruba history, especially due to the lack of written records and necessity to rely on traditional sources eg. language, festivals, orally passed information, Art etc

"Yoruba is an Identity for migrants" how interesting.
I thought 'yoruba' is an identity for all the people of west africa who speak dialects of the Yoruba language, the term 'yoruba' originally referring exclusively to the Oyo Empire before expanding as an Ethnic nomenclature for all native Yoruba speakers.

Was I wrong



First of all, the genesis account of the bible is not actual history, it is called Christian mythology, which is an incomplete version of the wider Jewish mythology, which itself is a copy of the various myths of Mesopotamia.
Why would you bring this up when talking about history?

Now of course not all myths are false but in this case the myth that Man originated somewhere along the Euphrates river in Asia is false as man originated in Africa

And I fail to see how Ile-ife has anything to do with Nineveh or how yoruba traditions of origin fit into biblical accounts?. If Yorubas claim Ife as their homeland and origin of mankind doesn't that all debunk your claim that 'Yoruba' are migrants?

How nice, well I already gave examples of Languages which are not grouped into the same category as other surrounding languages above which you read and like I said when you become a Linguist you can argue this out with Linguists all over the world. Go get that education and expertise and contribute to Social Science. Any sane person will stick to learned publications not allegations without actually studying the languages yourself

I don't know any of the scholars in your treasure that can beat Modupe Oduyoye. Have you ever heard of him?

Hati13:
BabaRamota1980,

Here is concrete proof for the Ethiopian version of Queen of Sheba story to be more probable than Yoruba one.

https://thomaslmcdonald./2012/06/25/levantine-dna-in-ethiopia-may-support-biblical-story/amp/

Was a DNA test done on the remains of Queen Sheba?

MetaPhysical:



Was a DNA test done on the remains of Queen Sheba?

No. Her bone isn’t known.

Hati13:
Olu317,

I didn’t and won’t deny now that those artifacts aren’t the work of Yoruba. And why would I be shocked if the burial of Yoruba and Nubia to be different. The 2 ppl are very different and live long distance apart so difference in culture is expected.

Amharic and all the other EthioSemitic languages developed from proto-EthioSemitic. The latter came from a proto-Semitic that was native to Ethiopia.

And except for light skin feature, the other features of Ethiopians isn’t as a result of mixing but are native to the area. This also disprove your claim that during the pharaoh period Ethiopians look pure black. In fact they had less negriod ancestry than their current descendants.

You are clearly obsessed with Semitic and the Middle East just like African-Americans are obsessed with Moors and Ancient Egypt. You speak a Niger-Congo language and look similar with other West Africans but you don’t want to accept it. You deny your blackness.

Give me just
one researcher's name that claimed Ethiopia/Nubian weren't a dark skins. And forget it, I am not obsessed with Semitic but the identity of the people I mentioned are found in corpus of IFA tenets and Yoruba's history. I wait for you to provide me with evidence, countering my information. And I will agree to with you! Just one that claimed you are with the same features as you have them today with the past.

Well, I have posted and screenshot related and shared words,so why feel bittered about just the six I gave,which aren't the only constant words shared between Yoruba and Afro–Asia / Semitic? I only made more reference to words that are daily used within Yoruba people ,which are present in Semitic-Afro Asia as well .Proof me wrong that those words are loaned? But you can't but uses opinion, which is thrash! . And I am sure anyone with interest in them can download the PDF on my previous post on some shared word between ancient Egypt and Yorubas. If you are so sure,give an account of that counter the research I posted, instead of complaining?

Olu317:
Give me just nr
one researcher's name that claimed Ethiopia/Nubian weren't a dark skins.

I never said Nubians/proper Ethiopians weren’t dark skinned.

Olu317:
And forget it, I am not obsessed with Semitic but the identity of the people I mentioned are found in corpus of IFA tenets and Yoruba's history. I wait for you to provide me with evidence, countering my information. And I will agree to with you! Just one that claimed you are with the same features as you have them today with the past.

I don’t know why you are asking me to provide evidence as if I haven’t. Linguistic studies have shown Yoruba language to be Niger-Congo and genetic studies have shown Yoruba to be very similar with other West Africans.

MetaPhysical:



I don't know any of the scholars in your treasure that can beat Modupe Oduyoye. Have you ever heard of him?

Good you finally name someone

Modupe Oduyoye is not in the same league as Banji Akintoye, Omotoso Eluyemi or Oluwole Oyetade. What relevance are his books to Yoruba? Or what knowledge did he possess in Yoruba history?
What accolades did he receive? What university department did he lecture? He only lectured in the church where his lecture could not be scrutinized.
He himself never claimed to be a yoruba historian and he talked about all of Nigeria having Semitic connection never specific on Yoruba alone. So why are you drawing on Yoruba alone
Neither did he claim Yoruba to be afro-asiatic or any less Niger - Congo than Igbo. He rather wanted to give the impression that Niger Congo languages have linguistic connection to Afro-asiatic (Semitic in this case)

You didn't get all this things you claim from Oduyoye

Besides he is known by the few people who know him at all as a pastor who studied exclusively Semitic linguistics and theology. He had no knowledge of Iṣẹṣe or of Yoruba history.

His entire knowledge is based on Hebrew and Arabic language and religions but he displayed lack of knowledge in the Yoruba aspects

That you should know well because he never claimed to have collected any oral history or to have performed any field research

Hati13:

I never said Nubians/proper Ethiopians weren’t dark skinned.


I don’t know why you are asking me to provide evidence as if I haven’t. Linguistic studies have shown Yoruba language to be Niger-Congo and genetic studies have shown Yoruba to be very similar with other West Africans.

I had thought you said,the feature of ancient Ethiopia/Nubian were same from time immemorial? Well, no new things to distract me from posting more archeological evidence . What do you mean Genetic affinity with who in West Africa ? You are joking right? And how do you group languaged that aren't intelligible among themselves as same? Like I had once said, until proper funding is avail to the academics, many fictional school of thought wont be corrected . Anyway, If you can't provide an answer to it scholarly ,then there isn't any reason to continue in this with you.

Top 5 Christian proponents of Yoruba root from AfroAsia (Note there are Deacons amongst them). These people are looking at the issue from a Christian and scientific viewpoint. Not a single one is Muslim!

1 - Josiah Oni (Oral Historian)
2 - Venerable Lagunju (Timi of Ede & Oral Historian)
3 - Samuel Johnson (His original manuscript of 1899 was suppressed, taken out of circulation & substituted with a published draft in 1922)
4 - Venerable Archdeacon J. Olumide Lucas (Former Pastor of St. Paul’s Church, Breadfruit in Lagos, Nigeria)
5 - Dr Modupe Oduyoye (Polyglot, Deacon, Linguist, mentored by Arch. J. Olumide Lucas)



So the point that Islamic input shaped thoughts and opinion on Yoruba root in AfroAsia is wicked and untruthful. Unless we want to say the above are zombies who lack independent thought and were thus under influence of Muslim clerics. If the latter were true, those Muslim clerics deserve award for successfully engineering and molding the Christians into accepting AfroAsia as their root. The truth is the acceptance and advocacy for AfroAsia is neither shaped by Christianity or Islam but by arts, spirituality and culture, all of which is the backbone of Yoruba identity.

Olu317:
Well, I have posted and screenshot related and shared words,so why feel bittered about just the six I gave,which aren't the only constant words shared between Yoruba and Afro–Asia / Semitic? I only made more reference to words that are daily used within Yoruba people ,which are present in Semitic-Afro Asia as well .Proof me wrong that those words are loaned? But you can't but uses opinion, which is thrash! . And I am sure anyone with interest in them can download the PDF on my previous post on some shared word between ancient Egypt and Yorubas. If you are so sure,give an account of that counter the research I posted, instead of complaining?

Feel bitter? . I'm having fun with you

6 words out of thousands of words that exist in both languages and you expect a sane human being to believe Yoruba is Semitic? What about sentence structure? Tonality? Semitic languages aren't tonal and use a different structure to set up sentences
All words in Afro-asiatic languages have plural forms but most words in Niger Congo do not.. Plural forms are not a feature of Yoruba language or any of its immediate sister languages.. Yes sister languages ie. Igbó, Edo, Fon.. Neither is gender forms of nouns..
Yoruba Language for instance is almost without gender.. Heck! There's no word for brother and sister.. It's just senior sibling(ẹ̀gbọ́n) or junior sibling (àbúrò)

I can't think of one single plural Form of a word in Yoruba language... The language only has a plural definite article = àwọn which is added to signify plural in certain cases that context permit


So please prove how Yoruba is Semitic.. I'm begging



See im extremely intelligent its not everyone that is a fool on Nairaland that you think you can always get to say nonsense and remain unquestioned


I don't think any of the words are loaned but you overstretched the connection and lied about some of their meanings like "ilé oosa" that doesn't mean land of my ancestors but "house of a deity" simply "temple" *
And how do you get "Ilé Oosa" from "Ursalem"

I already showed you that anybody can claim Yoruba connection to any language.. You gave 6 middle eastern words... From Hebrew to Arabic to Akkadian... 3 languages. I have you 6 words one language
You're supposed to concentrate on hebrew since the Hebrews are your real target

And why talk about Egyptian language now? Ancient Egyptian language is not Semitic. You are really confused, you keep shifting the post.. Stick to Hebrews

Olu317:
I had thought you said,the feature of ancient Ethiopia/Nubian were same from time immemorial?

I was talking about present day Ethiopians in this case. But I didn’t said from time immemorial but just said the features other than light skin is native to the area (originated tens of thousands of years ago).

Olu317:

Well, no new things to distract me from posting more archeological evidence . What do you mean Genetic affinity with who in West Africa ? You are joking right? And how do you group languaged that aren't intelligible among themselves as same? Like I had once said, until proper funding is avail to the academics, many fictional school of thought wont be corrected . Anyway, If you can't provide an answer to it scholarly ,then there isn't any reason to continue in this with you.

Here is about the genetic,
http://venturesafrica.com/yorubas-are-99-9-genetically-igbo-study/amp/

So you do really believe Yoruba language to be more intelligent with Semitic languages than Niger-Congo languages? I’m done let’s end the discussion.