alBHAGDADI:


Now how can you say you love God when you cannot give him 10% of your earnings which he says is his? You fail to understand that it is love that will guide you to fulfill the law, this doesn't say love throws away the law. The law stands, but as long as you can love God and your neighbor, you will be able to fulfill it.

Even after I explained Galatians 3:10 to you, you are still holding on to it.

1) If you insist that the Law stands. Please show us where exactly in the Mosaic Law God demanded money as tithes and firstfruits.

2) If you insist that the Law stands, and you break just one of it, you are under a curse as Galatians 3 v 10 clearly states.

Mind you, we are talking about over 600 Mosaic Laws here

OkaiCorne:


If you insist that the Law stands. Please show us where exactly in the Mosaic Law God demanded money as tithes and firstfruits.

Before Mosaic law, God took a tenth of all from Abraham and Jacob which must have included money. The Pharisee below also gave a tenth of all he possessed which must have included money.

Luke 18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

When you talk of tithe as agricultural produce, your act as if the law of tithing was only commanded to farmers alone.

OkaiCorne:


And where was it mandated for Christians to part with 10% of their income as a sign of their love for God?

Where did Jesus or the Apostles command Christians to give tithes and firstfruits?

Did Matthew 25 v 31-46 or 2 Corinthians 9v7 mention anything on tithes and firstfruits?

As long as Jesus and his apostles never cancelled tithing, then it means it still stands. The law on stoning of adulterer, animal sacrifice etc were cancelled but never the law of tithing. Jesus even had the perfect opportunity to cancel tithing in Mathew 23:23 but he didn't, instead he upheld it.

As long as you can't find a verse where the apostles say tithing has been abolished, then it means it still stands. Or do you want to abolish it when God has not?

Lamentations 3:37
Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?

Be careful what you go about telling people not to do when God has not said so .

alBHAGDADI:


As long as Jesus and his apostles never cancelled tithing, then it means it still stands. The law on stoning of adulterer, animal sacrifice etc were cancelled but never the law of tithing. Jesus even had the perfect opportunity to cancel tithing in Mathew 23:23 but he didn't, instead he upheld it.

As long as you can't find a verse where the apostles say tithing has been abolished, then it means it still stands. Or do you want to abolish it when God has not?

Lamentations 3:37
Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?

Be careful what you go about telling people not to do when God has not said so .

And the Matthew 23 v 23 tells you that dill, mint and cummin is money abi?

alBHAGDADI:


As long as Jesus and his apostles never cancelled tithing, then it means it still stands. The law on stoning of adulterer, animal sacrifice etc were cancelled but never the law of tithing. Jesus even had the perfect opportunity to cancel tithing in Mathew 23:23 but he didn't, instead he upheld it.

As long as you can't find a verse where the apostles say tithing has been abolished, then it means it still stands. Or do you want to abolish it when God has not?

Lamentations 3:37
Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?

Be careful what you go about telling people not to do when God has not said so .

And the Matthew 23 v 23 tells you that dill, mint and cummin is money abi?

Also, since we can't find verses where the following Mosaic Laws were abolished by the Apostles, these Laws also applies abi?

1) Not to wear clothes with mixed materials

2) Not to shave

3) Not to plant different seeds on the same garden

4) To wear tassels at the edge of one's garment.

OkaiCorne:


And the Matthew 23 v 23 tells you that dill, mint and cummin is money abi?

Also, since we can't find verses where the following Mosaic Laws we're abolished by the Apostles, these Laws also applies abi?

1) Not to wear clothes with mixed materials

2) Not to shave

3) Not to plant different seeds on the same garden

4) To wear tassels at the edge of one's garment.

I've told you that the law of tithing is not a law for farmers alone. So stop laying so much emphasis on agricultural produce.

Now to your points. You have to understand the Bible to understand certain things. So far so good, all you've been doing is regurgitating points you've read online without actually making research of your own.

Point 1 and 4 talk about dress code, right? Those dress code have been changed in the new testament. Paul did so when he spoke of how a Christian woman ought to dress. If wearing tassles and not using mixed materials was still to be upheld, he would have included it in the verse below.

1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

For point 2, Paul also changed it in 1 Corinthians 11 where he advised that a woman. who doesn't want to have a head covered should have it shaved.

1 Corinthians 11:6
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Also, he spoke of how it is a shame for a man to have long hair. What is the solution to such shame? Is it not shaving it?

1 Corinthians 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

I've answered all these questions of yours in several threads, but you keep stubbornly bring them back. You don't want to let go of the preconceived idea you've been deceived with. You were never a Bible student, that's why their points filled with lies deceived you easily. Now is time for you to see things from the point of the Bible. Sadly, you are rejecting it .

OkCornel:

And now that Jesus has fulfilled the Law and replaced it with a new covenant, what business does christians have with the law Christ has fulfilled?

Are you sure you know what a covenant is?

OkCornel:


If you insist that you are under the Law, I hope you know Galatians 3 v 10 makes it clear that you are cursed...

lolzzzz. You are so mistaken man. Which law was Apst Paul talking about there? Is it the moral laws or the sacrificial laws?

OkCornel:

[q]For as many as are of the works of the Law, are under the curse: [r]For it is written, Cursed is every man that continueth not in all things, which are written in the book of the Law, to do them.

Again, Which law?
Argue with Jesus...
"Don't suppose for a minute that I have come to demolish the Scriptures— either God's Law or the Prophets. I'm not here to demolish but to complete. I am going to put it all together, pull it all together in a vast panorama. God's Law is more real and lasting than the stars in the sky and the ground at your feet. Long after stars burn out and earth wears out, God's Law will be alive and working.
Trivialize even the smallest item in God's Law and you will only have trivialized yourself.

alBHAGDADI:


You see, the part of the law which God wants changed, he clearly stated it in the new testament. Abraham circumcized his children, but this doesn't mean we are to follow that because God clearly changed it in the new testament. See what Paul said below.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Now, show me where God changed the law on tithing. You won't find.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. James 1:27. So, where can you magically fix tithes and first fruits in there? Note that I am not against people giving their tithes of first fruits if they have the conviction. What I am against is someone saying it is a commandment of God to Christians. It is either the person saying that is ignorant, or downright dubious.

adelee777:


Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. James 1:27. So, where can you magically fix tithes and first fruits in there? Note that I am not against people giving their tithes of first fruits if they have the conviction. What I am against is someone saying it is a commandment of God to Christians. It is either the person saying that is ignorant, or downright dubious.

Anyone who insists tithes or firstfruits is a commandment for Christians to follow is a fraudster

Anas09:

Are you sure you know what a covenant is?

lolzzzz. You are so mistaken man. Which law was Apst Paul talking about there? Is it the moral laws or the sacrificial laws?

Again, Which law?
Argue with Jesus...
"Don't suppose for a minute that I have come to demolish the Scriptures— either God's Law or the Prophets. I'm not here to demolish but to complete. I am going to put it all together, pull it all together in a vast panorama. God's Law is more real and lasting than the stars in the sky and the ground at your feet. Long after stars burn out and earth wears out, God's Law will be alive and working.
Trivialize even the smallest item in God's Law and you will only have trivialized yourself.

Hebrew 7 v 18 -19 clearly mentioned the Mosaic Law was done away with;

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Unless you are clearly telling us that Paul was only referring to a part of the Mosaic Law and not it's entirety.
Same goes for Galatians 3 v 10

alBHAGDADI:


I've told you that the law of tithing is not a law for farmers alone. So stop laying so much emphasis on agricultural produce.

Now to your points. You have to understand the Bible to understand certain things. So far so good, all you've been doing is regurgitating points you've read online without actually making research of your own.

Point 1 and 4 talk about dress code, right? Those dress code have been changed in the new testament. Paul did so when he spoke of how a Christian woman ought to dress. If wearing tassles and not using mixed materials was still to be upheld, he would have included it in the verse below.

1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

For point 2, Paul also changed it in 1 Corinthians 11 where he advised that a woman. who doesn't want to have a head covered should have it shaved.

1 Corinthians 11:6
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Also, he spoke of how it is a shame for a man to have long hair. What is the solution to such shame? Is it not shaving it?

1 Corinthians 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

I've answered all these questions of yours in several threads, but you keep stubbornly bring them back. You don't want to let go of the preconceived idea you've been deceived with. You were never a Bible student, that's why their points filled with lies deceived you easily. Now is time for you to see things from the point of the Bible. Sadly, you are rejecting it .

Where exactly did Jesus and the Apostle reverse all those instructions in the Laws of Moses? You are asking for where precisely tithing was cancelled, and I am also asking you where exactly Jesus and the Apostles said, DO NOT OBEY THE FOLLOWING LAWS OF MOSES;

1) Not to wear clothes with mixed materials

2) Not to shave

3) Not to plant different seeds on the same garden

4) To wear tassels at the edge of one's garment.

alBHAGDADI:


I've told you that the law of tithing is not a law for farmers alone. So stop laying so much emphasis on agricultural produce.

Now to your points. You have to understand the Bible to understand certain things. So far so good, all you've been doing is regurgitating points you've read online without actually making research of your own.

Point 1 and 4 talk about dress code, right? Those dress code have been changed in the new testament. Paul did so when he spoke of how a Christian woman ought to dress. If wearing tassles and not using mixed materials was still to be upheld, he would have included it in the verse below.

1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

For point 2, Paul also changed it in 1 Corinthians 11 where he advised that a woman. who doesn't want to have a head covered should have it shaved.

1 Corinthians 11:6
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Also, he spoke of how it is a shame for a man to have long hair. What is the solution to such shame? Is it not shaving it?

1 Corinthians 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

I've answered all these questions of yours in several threads, but you keep stubbornly bring them back. You don't want to let go of the preconceived idea you've been deceived with. You were never a Bible student, that's why their points filled with lies deceived you easily. Now is time for you to see things from the point of the Bible. Sadly, you are rejecting it .

You can't even show us one example of early Christians giving tithes and firstfruits! Whereas, there are examples on freewill giving which has always been the guideline for Christians in the early church.

alBHAGDADI:


Tithe includes money otherwise it would make no sense for the man below to say he pays a tithe of all he possesses. This definitely must include money which was a possession then

Luke 18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Even Abraham when he gave Melchizedek/Jesus tithe, the Bible records that he gave a tithe of all. This definitely shows that money is included because he must have gotten money and gold from the spoils of war.

Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Wow, so Abraham's once in a lifetime tithe from the spoils of war is now a basis for Christians to part with 10% of their monthly income?

Wonderful!

alBHAGDADI:
Before Mosaic law, God took a tenth of all from Abraham and Jacob which must have included money. The Pharisee below also gave a tenth of all he possessed which must have included money.

Luke 18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

When you talk of tithe as agricultural produce, your act as if the law of tithing was only commanded to farmers alone.

Oh, so the requirements of God concerning tithes as clearly spelt out to Moses in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 also included money?

God's instructions should now be abandoned and that of a zealous Pharisee should be adopted?

OkCornel:


Where exactly did Jesus and the Apostle reverse all those instructions in the Laws of Moses? You are asking for where precisely tithing was cancelled, and I am also asking you where exactly Jesus and the Apostles said, DO NOT OBEY THE FOLLOWING LAWS OF MOSES;

1) Not to wear clothes with mixed materials

2) Not to shave

3) Not to plant different seeds on the same garden

4) To wear tassels at the edge of one's garment.

You are truly blind.

Didn't I just show you how Paul discarded the above laws by showing how Christians of today ought to behave with regards to them? Yet you still come up with the same questions. Now I truly understand the meaning of the verse which says ...

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You don't have the spirit of God in you that's why you can't discern scriptures. You want everything g to be written as clear as ABC. The word of God is not meant for you.

OkCornel:


Wow, so Abraham's once in a lifetime tithe from the spoils of war is now a basis for Christians to part with 10% of their monthly income?

Wonderful!

At least it is recorded that Abraham paid tithe. If you are saying that we are not to pay tithe because it is recorded only once that Abraham tithed, then it means we shouldn't tithe at all since it is Not recorded that the children of Israel paid tithe.

OkCornel:


Oh, so the requirements of God concerning tithes as clearly spelt out to Moses in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 also included money?

God's instructions should now be abandoned and that of a zealous Pharisee should be adopted?

If money tithe was wrong, Jesus would have condemned the Pharisee for that. Rather, he condemned him for boasting about it. This clearly shows that money tithe was part of tithing then and Jesus never condemned it.

alBHAGDADI:


I've told you that the law of tithing is not a law for farmers alone. So stop laying so much emphasis on agricultural produce.

Now to your points. You have to understand the Bible to understand certain things. So far so good, all you've been doing is regurgitating points you've read online without actually making research of your own.

Point 1 and 4 talk about dress code, right? Those dress code have been changed in the new testament. Paul did so when he spoke of how a Christian woman ought to dress. If wearing tassles and not using mixed materials was still to be upheld, he would have included it in the verse below.

1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

For point 2, Paul also changed it in 1 Corinthians 11 where he advised that a woman. who doesn't want to have a head covered should have it shaved.

1 Corinthians 11:6
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Also, he spoke of how it is a shame for a man to have long hair. What is the solution to such shame? Is it not shaving it?

1 Corinthians 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

I've answered all these questions of yours in several threads, but you keep stubbornly bring them back. You don't want to let go of the preconceived idea you've been deceived with. You were never a Bible student, that's why their points filled with lies deceived you easily. Now is time for you to see things from the point of the Bible. Sadly, you are rejecting it .

Where were these Mosaic Laws reversed by Jesus and the Apostles?

68. Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head — Lev. 19:27
69. Men must not shave their beards with a razor — Lev. 19:27
73. Not to tear the skin in mourning — Deut. 14:1
74. Not to make a bald spot in mourning — Deut. 14:1
76. To say the Shema twice daily — Deut. 6:7
79. To wear tefillin (phylacteries) on the head — Deut. 6:8
80. To bind tefillin on the arm — Deut. 6:8
81. To put a mezuzah on the door post — Deut. 6:9
82. Each male must write a Torah scroll — Deut. 31:19
108. Not to eat chametz on the afternoon of the 14th day of Nisan — Deut. 16:3
109. To destroy all chametz on 14th day of Nisan — Ex. 12:15
110. Not to eat chametz all seven days of Passover —Ex. 13:3
111. Not to eat mixtures containing chametz all seven days of Passover — Ex. 12:20
112. Not to see chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 13:7
113. Not to find chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 12:19
114. To eat matzah on the first night of Passover — Ex. 12:18
115. To relate the Exodus from Egypt on that night — Ex. 13:8
116. To hear the Shofar on the first day of Tishrei (Rosh Hashanah) — Num. 9:1
117. To dwell in a Sukkah for the seven days of Sukkot — Lev. 23:42
128. To perform yibbum (marry the widow of one's childless brother) — Deut. 25:5
129. To perform halizah (free the widow of one's childless brother from yibbum) — Deut. 25:9
232. Not to sell the cherem — Lev. 27:28
233. Not to redeem the cherem — Lev. 27:28
234. Not to plant diverse seeds together — Lev. 19:19
235. Not to plant grains or greens in a vineyard — Deut. 22:9
236. Not to crossbreed animals — Lev. 19:19
237. Not to work different animals together — Deut. 22:10
238. Not to wear shaatnez, a cloth woven of wool and linen — Deut. 22:11
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
427. The Kohanim must not eat unblemished firstborn animals outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17
429. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
430. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33
436. A woman who had a running (vaginal) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:28-29
437. A woman who gave birth must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 12:6
438. A man who had a running (unnatural urinary) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after he goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:13-14
439. A metzora (one having a skin disease) must bring an offering (in the Temple) after going to the Mikveh — Lev. 14:10
455. Observe the laws of impurity caused by childbirth — Lev. 12:2

alBHAGDADI:


If money tithe was wrong, Jesus would have condemned the Pharisee for that. Rather, he condemned him for boasting about it. This clearly shows that money tithe was part of tithing then and Jesus never condemned it.

And Jesus was talking about money tithe in Matthew 23 v 23 right?

Why didn't you consider if all the Pharisee had were crops and livestock which of course were the titheable items?

alBHAGDADI:


You are truly blind.

Didn't I just show you how Paul discarded the above laws by showing how Christians of today ought to behave with regards to them? Yet you still come up with the same questions. Now I truly understand the meaning of the verse which says ...

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You don't have the spirit of God in you that's why you can't discern scriptures. You want everything g to be written as clear as ABC. The word of God is not meant for you.

You that is not spiritually blind, open the Bible and give us examples of Christians that gave tithes and firstfruits.

We are all waiting

OkCornel:


Hebrew 7 v 18 -19 clearly mentioned the Mosaic Law was done away with;

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Unless you are clearly telling us that Paul was only referring to a part of the Mosaic Law and not it's entirety.
Same goes for Galatians 3 v 10

You don't understand what you quoted. The law wasn't done away with but was made established through faith.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

alBHAGDADI:

At least it is recorded that Abraham paid tithe. If you are saying that we are not to pay tithe because it is recorded only once that Abraham tithed, then it means we shouldn't tithe at all since it is Not recorded that the children of Israel paid tithe.

Meaning that if Abraham is the model for tithing, therefore tithers should only tithe from the spoils of war isn't it?

Abraham's once in a lifetime tithe from war spoils should be the basis for Christians to part with 10% of their monthly income abi?

alBHAGDADI:


You don't understand what you quoted. The law wasn't done away with but was made established through faith.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

VERY GOOD, so if Romans 3 v 31 according to you is establishing the Law, then you are bound to obey all the following isn't it?

68. Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head — Lev. 19:27
69. Men must not shave their beards with a razor — Lev. 19:27
73. Not to tear the skin in mourning — Deut. 14:1
74. Not to make a bald spot in mourning — Deut. 14:1
76. To say the Shema twice daily — Deut. 6:7
79. To wear tefillin (phylacteries) on the head — Deut. 6:8
80. To bind tefillin on the arm — Deut. 6:8
81. To put a mezuzah on the door post — Deut. 6:9
82. Each male must write a Torah scroll — Deut. 31:19
108. Not to eat chametz on the afternoon of the 14th day of Nisan — Deut. 16:3
109. To destroy all chametz on 14th day of Nisan — Ex. 12:15
110. Not to eat chametz all seven days of Passover —Ex. 13:3
111. Not to eat mixtures containing chametz all seven days of Passover — Ex. 12:20
112. Not to see chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 13:7
113. Not to find chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 12:19
114. To eat matzah on the first night of Passover — Ex. 12:18
115. To relate the Exodus from Egypt on that night — Ex. 13:8
116. To hear the Shofar on the first day of Tishrei (Rosh Hashanah) — Num. 9:1
117. To dwell in a Sukkah for the seven days of Sukkot — Lev. 23:42
128. To perform yibbum (marry the widow of one's childless brother) — Deut. 25:5
129. To perform halizah (free the widow of one's childless brother from yibbum) — Deut. 25:9
232. Not to sell the cherem — Lev. 27:28
233. Not to redeem the cherem — Lev. 27:28
234. Not to plant diverse seeds together — Lev. 19:19
235. Not to plant grains or greens in a vineyard — Deut. 22:9
236. Not to crossbreed animals — Lev. 19:19
237. Not to work different animals together — Deut. 22:10
238. Not to wear shaatnez, a cloth woven of wool and linen — Deut. 22:11
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
427. The Kohanim must not eat unblemished firstborn animals outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17
429. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
430. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33
436. A woman who had a running (vaginal) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:28-29
437. A woman who gave birth must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 12:6
438. A man who had a running (unnatural urinary) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after he goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:13-14
439. A metzora (one having a skin disease) must bring an offering (in the Temple) after going to the Mikveh — Lev. 14:10
455. Observe the laws of impurity caused by childbirth — Lev. 12:2

OkCornel:


You that is not spiritually blind, open the Bible and give us examples of Christians that gave tithes and firstfruits.

We are all waiting

So, because the Bible didn't record expressly that Christians gave tithe, we all shouldn't give, abi?

Okay, since the Bible didn't record that Jesus, Paul and Peter went to the toilet to pass out faeces, then we all shouldn't do such. If you do such, then you are accursed.

You act as if the only people close to God in the Bible are Christians without regarding the great men of OlGod recorded in the old testament whose faith moved Mountains. Paul referenced such men a lot in the book of Hebrews e.g Abraham and Abel which clearly means we are to draw inspiration from them and do what they did. Those people are more Christian that most of us today in that they had huge faith in God.

alBHAGDADI:
So, because the Bible didn't record expressly that Christians gave tithe, we all shouldn't give, abi?

Okay, since the Bible didn't record that Jesus, Paul and Peter went to the toilet to pass out faeces, then we all shouldn't do such. If you do such, then you are accursed.

You act as if the only people close to God in the Bible are Christians without regarding the great men of OlGod recorded in the old testament whose faith moved Mountains. Paul referenced such men a lot in the book of Hebrews e.g Abraham and Abel which clearly means we are to draw inspiration from them and do what they did. Those people are more Christian that most of us today in that they had huge faith in God.

Hahahaha... if tithing and firstfruit was indeed a christian doctrine, we should have examples of Christians that performed such in the Bible.

Freewill giving has been the standard right from the days of the early church. But if you disagree, bring examples of Christians who gave tithes and firstfruits in the early church.

All these back and forth you are arguing about concerning the Mosaic Law was already settled by the Apostles in the early church, this was clearly spelt out in Acts 15. Because greedy men like you wanted to confuse the believers. I'll be putting up Acts 15 shortly

OkCornel:


VERY GOOD, so if Romans 3 v 31 according to you is establishing the Law, then you are bound to obey all the following isn't it?

68. Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head — Lev. 19:27
69. Men must not shave their beards with a razor — Lev. 19:27
73. Not to tear the skin in mourning — Deut. 14:1
74. Not to make a bald spot in mourning — Deut. 14:1
76. To say the Shema twice daily — Deut. 6:7
79. To wear tefillin (phylacteries) on the head — Deut. 6:8
80. To bind tefillin on the arm — Deut. 6:8
81. To put a mezuzah on the door post — Deut. 6:9
82. Each male must write a Torah scroll — Deut. 31:19
108. Not to eat chametz on the afternoon of the 14th day of Nisan — Deut. 16:3
109. To destroy all chametz on 14th day of Nisan — Ex. 12:15
110. Not to eat chametz all seven days of Passover —Ex. 13:3
111. Not to eat mixtures containing chametz all seven days of Passover — Ex. 12:20
112. Not to see chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 13:7
113. Not to find chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 12:19
114. To eat matzah on the first night of Passover — Ex. 12:18
115. To relate the Exodus from Egypt on that night — Ex. 13:8
116. To hear the Shofar on the first day of Tishrei (Rosh Hashanah) — Num. 9:1
117. To dwell in a Sukkah for the seven days of Sukkot — Lev. 23:42
128. To perform yibbum (marry the widow of one's childless brother) — Deut. 25:5
129. To perform halizah (free the widow of one's childless brother from yibbum) — Deut. 25:9
232. Not to sell the cherem — Lev. 27:28
233. Not to redeem the cherem — Lev. 27:28
234. Not to plant diverse seeds together — Lev. 19:19
235. Not to plant grains or greens in a vineyard — Deut. 22:9
236. Not to crossbreed animals — Lev. 19:19
237. Not to work different animals together — Deut. 22:10
238. Not to wear shaatnez, a cloth woven of wool and linen — Deut. 22:11
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
427. The Kohanim must not eat unblemished firstborn animals outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17
429. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
430. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33
436. A woman who had a running (vaginal) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:28-29
437. A woman who gave birth must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 12:6
438. A man who had a running (unnatural urinary) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after he goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:13-14
439. A metzora (one having a skin disease) must bring an offering (in the Temple) after going to the Mikveh — Lev. 14:10
455. Observe the laws of impurity caused by childbirth — Lev. 12:2

Funny guy.

You don't know what you write, you just copy and paste without understanding. Let enlighten you by just picking only two of the points you raised i.e points 80 and 81 which you got from the passage below.

Deuteronomy 6:1-9
Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the L ORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
That thou mightest fear the L ORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the L ORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
Hear, O Israel: The L ORD our God is one L ORD :
And thou shalt love the L ORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.


The passage above is saying we should love God with all our heart and soul. It says in order for us to be able to fulfill this, we have to write it on our door post and on our arm for better remembrance. That same law of loving God still exists today in the new testament but practiced in a better form, not the form of writing it on door post or in arms. The Bible says that the law of loving God is now written in our heart.

Jeremiah 31:33
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the L ORD , I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

So you see, we no longer need to write it on our arm or on door post cos it's now written in our hearts.

I don't have much time otherwise I would have love to engage the other points too.

alBHAGDADI:


You don't understand what you quoted. The law wasn't done away with but was made established through faith.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 6:14
for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

alBHAGDADI:


Funny guy.

You don't know what you write, you just copy and paste without understanding. Let enlighten you by just picking only two of the points you raised i.e points 80 and 81 which you got from the passage below.

Deuteronomy 6:1-9
Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the L ORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
That thou mightest fear the L ORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the L ORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
Hear, O Israel: The L ORD our God is one L ORD :
And thou shalt love the L ORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.


The passage above is saying we should love God with all our heart and soul. It says in order for us to be able to fulfill this, we have to write it on our door post and on our arm for better remembrance. That same law of loving God still exists today in the new testament but practiced in a better form, not the form of writing it on door post or in arms. The Bible says that the law of loving God is now written in our heart.

Jeremiah 31:33
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the L ORD , I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

So you see, we no longer need to write it on our arm or on door post cos it's now written in our hearts.

I don't have much time otherwise I would have love to engage the other points too.

You don't have time? Or you don't have points to counter those Mosaic Laws raised?

So now that the Law is in your heart, how does that nullify the points raised?

WHERE THE LINE BETWEEN CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM WAS DRAWN

1599 Geneva Bible

Acts 15

1 Then came down certain from Judea, and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

2 And when there was great dissension, and disputation by Paul and Barnabas against them, they ordained that Paul and Barnabas, and certain others of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the Apostles and Elders about this question.

3 Thus being brought forth by the Church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles, and they brought great joy unto all the brethren.

4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the Church, and of the Apostles and Elders, and they declared what things God had done by them.

5 But said they, certain of the sect of the Pharisees, which did believe, rose up, saying that it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses.

6 Then the Apostles and Elders came together to look to this matter.

7 And when there had been great disputation, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Ye men and brethren, ye know that a good while ago, among us God chose out me, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the Gospel, and believe.

8 And God which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, in giving unto them the holy Ghost even as he did unto us.

9 And he put no difference between us and them, after that by faith he had purified their hearts.

10 Now therefore, why tempt ye God, to lay a yoke on the disciples’ necks, which neither our fathers, nor we were able to bear?


11 But we believe, through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, even as they do.

12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and heard Barnabas and Paul, which told what signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them.

13 And when they held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me.

14 Simeon hath declared, how God first did visit the Gentiles, to take of them a people unto his Name.

15 And to this agree the words of the Prophets, as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the Tabernacle of David, which is fallen down, and the ruins thereof will I build again, and I will set it up.

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom my Name is called, saith the Lord which doeth all these things.

18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God,

20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, seeing he is read in the Synagogues every Sabbath day.

22 Then it seemed good to the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: to wit, Judas whose surname was Barsabas, and Silas, which were chief men among the brethren,

23 And wrote letters by them after this manner, THE APOSTLES, and the Elders, and the brethren, Unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, and in Syria, and in Cilicia, send greeting.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment,

25 It seemed therefore good to us, when we were come together with one accord, to [send] chosen men unto you, with our beloved Barnabas and Paul.

26 Men that have given up their lives for the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, which shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the holy Ghost, and to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these necessary things.

29 That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

30 Now when they were departed, they came to Antioch, and after that they had assembled the multitude, they delivered the Epistle,

31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced for the consolation.

32 And Judas and Silas being Prophets, exhorted the brethren with many words, and strengthened them.

33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace of the brethren unto the Apostles.

34 Notwithstanding Silas thought good to abide there still.

35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching with many others the word of the Lord.

36 But after certain days, Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us return and visit our brethren in every city, where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

37 And Barnabas counseled to take with them John, called Mark.

38 But Paul thought it not meet to take him unto their company, which departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.

39 Then were they so stirred, that they departed asunder one from the other, so that Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus.

40 And Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended of the brethren unto the grace of God.

41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, establishing the Churches.

Carefully read Acts 15 and also read the following verses in context (which I've bolded): 1,5,9,10,20,28,29

The Apostles clearly told the Gentile Christians what is needed for them to be Christians in verse 10,20,28,29. And tithing is not part of the requirements.

Having seen this, please why are the Pastors preaching that non-tithers would be under the devourer's curse for not paying their tithes?

Where did the Apostles instruct Christians to give firstfruits?

I agree with your points on first fruits but not all of the rest/side issues you raised.

OkCornel:
Carefully read Acts 15 and also read the following verses in context (which I've bolded): 1,5,9,10,20,28,29

The Apostles clearly told the Gentile Christians what is needed for them to be Christians in verse 10,20,28,29. And tithing is not part of the requirements.

Having seen this, please why are the Pastors preaching that non-tithers would be under the devourer's curse for not paying their tithes?

Where did the Apostles instruct Christians to give firstfruits?

Only God can reward you for the time and energy you spend in defending the free grace of God. The Lord is your strength and reward! Thou art blessed!