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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by elipheleh(m): 11:24pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: NB: While reading this writing please keep a scriptural open mind. And know this truth in the Church of Christ, revelation is progressive. Some practices of 16th century church have been overtaken by a clearer revelation of the Pentecostal. Recently this tithe revelation is new and we Pentecostal are resisting it. Howbeit the church of God will come to full and clearer knowledge as long as the end draws nearer. I used to defend tithing to church alone until by faith I now understand better. Tithing exists when there was a system of Levites. Now no Christian is a Levite , neither you nor my pastor are a Levite. System of Levitesm no longer exists. What we have now is system of "Priests and Kings" which Jesus made each and every one of us. According to Revelation 1:6 -- King James Bible And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen In this system of Kings and Priest's every believer qualifies to get and receive tithes. But should we all go ahead and keep our tithes at home then?No. What do we do? We do exactly what the disciples after the Firstfruit of salvation did ( bible actually refer to firstfruits as Jesus, firstfruit has nothing to do with money. Abel sacrifice was called first fruit in representation of the ultimate Firstfruit of God which is Jesus)..What did the early believers do? Acts 2:44 says they had all things in common. 1 corinthian 15:18-24 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. ......................................... In continuation. The idea of tithe was strange to early Christians and Paul even warned about wolves who would come to fill in their bellies only. Paul worked mostly for his own money and in cases where he couldn't he shared in whatever the believers brought among themselves. He qued on line to collect his share just like every other bro and sisters. The focus of sharing of food and substance of early Christians were the widows and orphans and the poor. It's for thus purpose of sharing food justly that Peter and the other apostles appointed Deacons. Eg Stephen, Philip etc. Acts 6:1-7 Now in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplying, there arose a complaint against the Hebrews by the Hellenists,[a] because their widows were neglected in the daily distribution. 2 Then the twelve summoned the multitude of the disciples and said, “It is not desirable that we should leave the word of God and serve tables. 3 Therefore, brethren, seek out from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business; 4 but we will give ourselves continually to prayer and to the ministry of the word.” 5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude. And they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit, and Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas, a proselyte from Antioch, 6 whom they set before the apostles; and when they had prayed, they laid hands on them. 7 Then the word of God spread, and the number of the disciples multiplied greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were obedient to the faith. SO, TAKE YOUR TITHE AND DISTRIBUTE TO THE CHRISTIAN POOR, WIDOWS, ORPHANS, HELPLESS, CHRISTIAN ILL. , AND PASTORS YOU FEEL FOR. If you feel an empathy to help brethren around you, it is most likely the Holy Spirit ministering to you to help His children. The devil never tells anyone to give. So take your tithes and help the church and everyone that cares to run to zion for help( this include Muslims an atheists who decide to come to Christian gathering just for purpose of eating and sharing). In so doing you'll win them for Christ. In summary, read and find about a man called Pastor Sunday Adelaja. Read about his messages on tithes and how it should be paid or spent and who is to receive it more. Go to YouTube and watch his videos. He is a Nigerian man who has transformed the whole of Ukraine for Christ. Now his church in Ukraine decides everything that happens in that country, who becomes President,Governor etc. I am not exaggerating. That is the influence his church wields in that country. In fact Putin, president of Russia,out of fear has banned home from entering Russia,Ukraine and ruissia are neighbours. He knows something which we Nigerian church don't know yet. Remember Martin Luther King was resisted by the time he came out with this Pentecostal revival. If only we can humble ourselves and learn something we don't know,Nigeria will get it right. 5 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Nobody: 11:28pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: But why? So, what is the calculations going to be like? Will it still be 10% or 100%? You are sounding more dotish |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by promotervickky(m): 7:38am On Jan 07, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: True sir |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Horlufemi(m): 8:14am On Jan 07, 2019 |
openmine: They even forget Abraham returned the 90% he didn't keep anything. From the spoils 1. He gave 10% to the preist 2. He returned 90% I would gladly tithe like that but I will be broke and they will say I don't have the spirit of God. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Horlufemi(m): 8:43am On Jan 07, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Bro I'm confused should we use Abraham example to tithe or use Isrealites example or Jacob's or that of the Pharisees Christ mentioned. I've studied tithing so much to know 1. Abraham gave 10% of the spoils of war and returned the 90%. He only tithed once. 2. That the Isrealites gave tithe as (a). farm produce only, (b). Once a year and (c). To widows and orphans every third year. 3. Jacob's tithing was conditional. "If you can bless me and make me come back". The "if " negates it being a commandment. 4. The Pharisees I'm sure didn't tithe money cos Christ mentioned "you tithe of mint and herbs in your little gardens". 5. When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43–47; 4:32–37; 11:27–30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15). For example, 1 Corinthians 16:1–4—a passage often cited in popular circles in support—doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem. 6. Then finally I would love to tithe if there are Levites available to collect them today. Unless you want to prove to me that pastors today are Levites, which we all know they aren't unless we wish to twist the scriptures to fit our narrative. 3 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by koolaid87: 9:53am On Jan 07, 2019 |
Try harder next time First fruit kor, first basket ni Next! 1 Like |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by openmine(m): 11:34am On Jan 07, 2019 |
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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by dbelovd(m): 11:53am On Jan 07, 2019 |
It's better to emphasize the teaching in Mathew 22: 36-40 (Great commandment). Teach people how to live right. Enough of all this talk on first fruit and the likes Are u not surprised that Nigeria ranked among the most corrupt nation, that Nigeria is the world capital of poverty and heinous crime are been committed daily in Nigeria, despite the fact that we are the world capital of church/mosque. We are having gigantic and magnificent church building, but the church itself is in extreme poverty. How do u explain that. We are having pastors flying private jets, yet majority of the church members are not sure where the next meal will come from. We have large scale corruption because religious leaders are only interested in the money and not the source of the money. Op, teach on how to live right always. So that the world will be a better place for everyone not for only the 'selected few'. 1 Like |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by abujaafar18: 2:20pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
What is this first fruits? Is it all about money as you want people to believe? Tell us God's clear instructions regarding it. Are they meant to further enrich your already rich pastors or the poor? If they are meant for the poor, how exactly are they supposed to be disbursed among them, I mean the sharing formula? These, among others ,are the questions begging for answers. You make reference to old testament scriptures on matters that are of interest to you, but yet discard them when you found them unsuitable. I urge everyone to google about the zakat system in Islam. You will find out the difference. I urge you. 1 Like |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by EdifiedHebrew: 6:16pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:You are totally wrong, You don't have any right to collect any firstfruit because Yahawashi Hamasciach whom you called Jesus Christ has risen from the dead and he is our firstfruits. 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. The original new year comes up in spring equinox not winter. and our new year ordained by Yahawah is the month of Feast of Passover. Please read the Bible according to the commandment of Yahawah don't mislead people with wrong precepts. ISAIAH 28: 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: EXODUS 12: 1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you. 3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house: 4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb. 5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: 6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. 7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. 8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. 9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof. 10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire. 11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover. EXODUS 13: 3 And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten. 4 This day came ye out in the month Abib. 5 And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in this month. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Nobody: 1:52pm On Jan 08, 2019 |
samydo: See this stinking pastor sheep making noise 1 Like |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Nobody: 1:53pm On Jan 08, 2019 |
greatman247: Thanks my guy the op is a pastor baboon |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Nobody: 1:54pm On Jan 08, 2019 |
meccuno: my G |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by greatman247(m): 3:25pm On Jan 08, 2019 |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by danye8: 12:31pm On Jan 16, 2019 |
Anas09:. Lies,they also had money in those days,remember Abraham bought a piece of land with some pieces of silver?......if God wanted money as first fruit then he would have demanded it......just like you people twist the tithe doctrine that was clearly only edible items not money even though there was money then......1, we are no more under the Jewish traditions and customs and going back to them places us under a curse.....2,Jesus never collected first fruit neither did his disciples...... stop scamming people......if you want to give to Christ,give only to the needy(might be your pastor only when he is in need not want)......the Pentecostal church has done more harm to Christianity than I imagined by turning worshipping of God to worshipping of mammon(money),yet they point fingers at others.....I thank Yahweh from delivering me from the Pentecostal church thieves in suits collecting money and serving mammon 3 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Horlufemi(m): 8:54am On Jan 19, 2019 |
EdifiedHebrew: They have no interest in this. Christ being the firstfruit of the great resurrection into glory. These pastors knows this but because of the greed they will live in denial. 2 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 10:09am On Jan 19, 2019 |
Horlufemi: You people are not only spiritually blind but illiterates too. When the Bible called Christ the firstfruit, it is not saying Christ has paid our firstfruit so we don't have to pay anymore. It is simply saying that Jesus is the first of those who will resurrect, because he has resurrected from the dead. Every other person who has died are still asleep, but Christ has risen and so is the firstfruit of them all i.e the first to rise. It is during his second coming that others will rise too. Now read the passage below for understanding and stop being received by those who love to quote scriptures falsely 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by plat0: 4:49pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by plat0: 4:53pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
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Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Horlufemi(m): 7:53pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Just sad that the distraction called Prosperity Gospel has taken the joy out of Christianity. My question for you is tithe, firstfruit or offering a requirement for eternal life in Christ Jesus? 1 Like |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 8:10pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
Horlufemi:No. The only requirement for eternal life is BELIEVE in Jesus Christ. Tithe, offering and firstfruits are just for blessings on earth. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Horlufemi(m): 10:21pm On Feb 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: You mean to tell me that I need to give God money for God to bless me? This is pure heretical prosperity gospel. The Abrahamic covenant is NOT a means to material entitlement Jesus’s atonement DOES NOT extend to the “sin” of material poverty. Christians DO NOT need to give in order to gain material compensation from God. Faith is NOT a self-generated spiritual force that leads to prosperity Prayer is NOT a tool to force God to grant prosperity If you disagree with any of the above you need to repent or pray fervently for God to show you the true purpose of Christ. According to what you stated I can ignore to get earthly blessings because I don't need it. I can still go to heaven right? Or am I disobeying a commandment? 2 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 4:20am On Feb 02, 2019 |
Horlufemi: Don't say what you don't know. Of you give to God, he will bless you. Abraham gave his son to God and got blessed in return. Even Hod said if we pay our tithe, he will bless us. Malachi 3:10(KJV) Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the L ORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 5:57am On Feb 02, 2019 |
Horlufemi:You arent even an Israelite to want to give tithe. Even you dont live and earn your livelihood from the grounds of Israel to want to give tithe. You are not a farmer, engaged in agriculture nor are you a breeder or tender of livestock to want to give tithe from them. Are you aware that Levitical tithes are only given and accepted in Israel? If at all, its proven to you that pastors today are Levites, how would you justify your keeness and preparedness to give tithe? What condition(s), what box(es) would you say, you've ticked that qualifies you to give tithe? 3 Likes |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 9:02am On Feb 02, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:. Was Abraham an Israelite when he gave tithe? Was it only agricultural produce he gave as tithe or from all he got on that day? SHOW me where God changed the law on tithing in the new testament. I bet you won't find such. You guys just want to throw away the Old testament with claims that it was for Israel. No, it is also for us Christians of today because the Bible says in the new testament that all scriptures are profitable for doctrine and more. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV) 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. That's why we hold on to the Old Testament laws which God didn't change in the New Testament and discard the ones he specifically changed. An example is the dietary laws where he commanded his people not to eat pork and shrimps. That law was changed in the new testament when Paul said we can eat all things EXCEPT Blood. Blood was restricted in the old testament and that law still holds today as seen by Paul's statement. Romans 14:2-4 (KJV) For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Acts 15:29 KJV That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from BLOOD, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Now if you say all the Old Testament laws have been thrown away because Jesus came to die for us, will you also say the below law against Cross-dressing has been thrown away too, such that men can now dress like women and women like men? Is that what Jesus came to die for? Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the L ORD thy God. As long as no new testament law changed the above law against crosss-dressing, then the law holds. Same way tithing which predates the law of Moses still holds cos it never got changed in the new testament. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 9:10am On Feb 02, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:1/ Are you then saying you're following and/or adhering to the Abraham type of tithe giving? 2/ What conditions and boxes have ticked you that recognises you as being qualified to give the sort of Abraham type of tithe? 3/ Except for Abraham, show where a non-Israelite, ever gave tithe to God. I bet you won't find such. 1 Like |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 9:17am On Feb 02, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: I'm adhering to the principle of tithing which is giving 10% of all to God Almighty. As long as I depend on God to supply my needs which he does, I in turn giving 10% of all he has given me. Jacob all practiced tithing, even though it is not recorded that he gave. It shows that it was a common practice passed down to him from his grandfather Abraham. Go and read the story of Abraham and how he circumcised all those in his household, the servants and those he bought with his money. The circumcission was an order from God as a covenant between him and Abraham. If Abraham did circumcize those people whom event his blood, then he must have also taught them tithing which they must have practiced as well. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Horlufemi(m): 9:24am On Feb 02, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: Prove it first. Then even still I would only tithe if EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the church benefit from the donation brought to the Church. But prove it first that Pastors are Levites. The only Church system I recognize is that of the early apostles. Nothing more nothing less. Then address 1-5 |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Goshen360(m): 9:30am On Feb 02, 2019 |
I'm beginning to suspect who this OP is.....but I'll find out soon...smh |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Goshen360(m): 9:34am On Feb 02, 2019 |
Horlufemi: You don't understand what he wrote....read it again but this time read with the THIRD EYES AND LISTEN WITH THE THIRD EARS....ok 1 Like |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by alBHAGDADI: 9:38am On Feb 02, 2019 |
Goshen360: Look at one the anti-tithe doctrine people here talking about THIRD EYE, an occultic thing. I only pity people getting deceived by you liars without knowing who you people truly are - Occults. |
Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by MuttleyLaff: 9:38am On Feb 02, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:You either are following and adhering to the Abrahaic style of tithing, the Levitical laid down style of tithing or the obligatory and/or imposed ecclesiastical monetised tithe giving, so which one out of the three are adhering to Mr alBHAGDADI? alBHAGDADI:God supplies all your needs and others without you giving Him 1%, talkless 10%. It has nothing to do with the amount, it has a great deal to do with the heart Mr alBHAGDADI. Think about that alBHAGDADI:You're very clever and crafty. I see you havent missed a trick. Well you and I know our little secret, that Jacob, never tithed and that is the reason why there is no record that Jacob gave tithe alBHAGDADI:Abraham did not have to teach tithing to anyone or anybody. It is a well known historical and documentated fact that Abram tithed in line with the prevailing mesopotamia custom to tithe. Artifacts shows and testifies to idol worshippers and/or heathens practice of tithing. Like few other things, tithing was a status quo. Why not go to a museum, bring your historical knowledge up to date Mr alBHAGDADI, Abraham tithed only once., and the reason why Abraham tithed only once, is because Abraham took up arms, went to fight, he went on battle just the one time. Abraham went after another just once. It is this one time pursuit that Abraham fought, captured and SLAUGHTERED kings only hence the reason he tithed only once. Abraham never had the chance to repeat the thrill of taking up arms, chase, fight, capture and slaughter kings again, and so the opportunity for him to give tithe on spoils of war never came up or arose again. Jacob did not go to war, Jacob did not slaughter in a battle to warrant him giving tithe on the booty. It was 400 years plus later that Jacob, as Israel, after conquering the promised land and slaughter kings that God now required the Israelites to give tithe on agricultural land and produce. 1 Like |
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