openmine:
Chai na wa ohh so first fruit is also 10% of one's wages according to the OP?

It is another word for tithe.

alBHAGDADI:
It is another word for tithe.

Good! So give me scriptures where such can be found about first fruit! no long story!

alBHAGDADI:

Read below.

http:///nwobv_full_english.html

Oga give me scriptures not articles!

alBHAGDADI:
How agricultural produce take enter spoils of war?

Don't you know that money, agricultural produce, shields, swords, horses etc were part of what the people of old always take to war? The money was used to pay soldiers their wages and buy more supplies, while the agricultural produce served as food.

The bible says a tenth of the war spoils or plunder!
Money is not included in the spoils of war just goods that are of immerse value!

alBHAGDADI:
Did Christ condemn him for paying tithe in that manner or for boasting about it?

Christ used the parable to illustrate the shallowness and hypocrisy of the Pharisees not for you to use that same practice as an example to your belief!
Now the question: is the practice of the Pharisee that was illustrated by Christ in accordance with the then laws of moses?
absolutely not!

Michellekabod1:
Okay. Are all doctrines from the word of God?

No, not all doctrines are from the word of God. The bible calls such that are not from the word of God, empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense, empty deceit, that they are according to the tradition of men, according to the principles of the world and not according to Christ.

alBHAGDADI:
Any doctrine that doesn't go in line with the word of God is not a doctrine of God.
Example is the anti-tithe or anti-firstfruit doctrine. All those who hold the doctrine can't show where God said he has stop being interested in it. But I can show you where God started receiving it before the law of Moses. This shows that the doctrine is the word of God. And as long as he hasn't said he is no longer interested in it, then no man has the right to say such for him. The doctrine holds. Or do you want to speak when God hasn't spoken?

Lamentations 3:37
Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?

Any doctrine that doesn't go in line with the word of God, like imposed or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving is not a doctrine of God.

We know Abram never tithed from his income or personal wealth, instead he tithed on plunder. Abram tithed on valuables, goods etcetera he SEIZED BY FORCE and from returning from the killing of the 4 Mesopotamian kings
So Abram's tithe, we know. The Israelites tithing, we know, but now which is yours alBHAGDADI?
What type of tithe is yours then alBHAGDADI?
Is your tithe, the obligatory practice kind or is your tithe, the commanded practice kind?
Is it the Abram's tithe format you practise or is it the Israelites tithing format you practise alBHAGDADI?
Which is it?

Michellekabod1:
Damn...am speechless

I know, alBHAGDADI could knock anybody over with a feather. alBHAGDADI is so wrapped up in his false bullshits hes become also so skillful in it with prooftexting

OkCornel:
Even those in support of tithing cannot show us where God demanded for money as tithes and firstfruits...

It is because it is all lies

Anas09:
Wow. You were mean in the time of Moses some people were bankers and businessmen who earn salaries instead farm produce?

You should know better not to make this kind of remark. Do you know that Zacchaeus, the tax collector never paid or gave tithe, talkess give or pay monitised tithes?

Anas09:
Just say it. God's ordinances are obsolete. Say it and rest.

The truth is bitter to swallow in the beginning, but ends up sweet in the end, whereas, lies are sweet in the beginning to swallow but when exposed, bitter in the end

I am glad some tithe-merchants know and admit that there's nothing like monetary tithe or monitised tithe as such in the Bible
What is close to monetary tithe or momitised tithe in the bible, is where an Israelite pays tithe on sales, after buying back the tithe, (i.e. buying back the tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops) however, the Israelite pays the going rate or value of the bought back the tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops tithe, plus 20 percent on top for this privilege

Now that is to hand-pick for tithe, the tenth livestock (e.g. cows, lambs) that passes under the rod. Meanwhile, if you started with 1 livestock (e.g. 1 cow or 1 lamb) and at the end of year, bred and raised 9 cows or just 9 lambs, then that means you dont pay tithe for that year

Abraham gave tithe of ALL, where ALL means ''Abraham gave a tenth of all he had captured in battle and gave it to Melchizedek aka priest

Conventional wisdom accepts that the common denominator in all biblical tithe giving (e.g. Abraham's tithe and the Israelites tithing) is a earthly king, earthly priest or Levite physically receiving the tithe so the implication of the above observation, is that a pastor, a prophet, an apostle or a preacher are neither a priest or Levite, and hence none of them should have any business receiving tithe nor have any jurisdiction over tithe and to make matters worse imposed or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving is an aberration from the doctrine of grace, liberty and the law of the Spirit

Abram's tithing in Genesis 14:20 wasnt credited to him as righteousness, like as what happened in Genesis 15:6.
Abram's tithing in Genesis 14:20 didn't get him a name transformation from Abram to Abraham, like as what occurred in Genesis 17:5. Bet you're getting the drift, and getting to know, tithing was/is replaced with something new

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
- Romans 8:2 KJV

All laws, effectively, are eternal principles
The law of gravity is an eternal principle, just as the law of aerodynamics too, is an eternal principle
The law of sin (e.g. tithing) is an eternal principle, just as the law of the spirit (e.g. under no compulsion, cheerful giving) too is an eternal principle

Now, you render one law redundant (e.g. the law of sin; tithing)
by the operation of a superior law (e.g. law of the spirit; under no compulsion, cheerful giving)

Besides the above, why do you think God laid claim to tithe from the ISRAELITES,
demanding that the tithe of everything from the land,
whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to Him, is His right and is His due?
What's your verse apart from Leviticus 27:30, proves that God can lay claim and assert rights to tithe on the land of ISRAEL?

Cash (i.e. money) was ONLY given as a form of penalty when redeeming any of the tithe

And we all know what REDEEM means. Right?
REDEEM means to buy back the tithe, as in, to pay the market or going price of the tithe of the cow or agricultural produce
Only that you dont just pay the price of the tithe, you'll also have to add 20% to the price value of the tithe

…²⁴"If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe,
since the place where the LORD your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the LORD your God blesses you,
²⁵then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses.
²⁶"You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires:
for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires;
and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.…
- Deuteronomy 14:24-26

³⁰“One tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord and must be set apart to him as holy.
³¹If you want to redeem buy back the Lord’s tenth of the grain or fruit, you must pay its value, plus 20 percent.
³²Count off every tenth animal from your herds and flocks and set them apart for the Lord as holy
- Leviticus 27:30-32

With the tithe commanded by God and demanded from the ISRAELITE, money comes into the equation ONLY on 2 occasions or for 2 reasons only (i.e. a Deuteronomy 14:24-26 reason or a Leviticus 27:30-32 reason)

If an ISRAELITE wanted to keep his tithe of cows worth N1,000, he could buy them back by paying the cash value of the tithe and with a surcharge
In this case pay N1,000+N200, where N200 is from 20% of N1000 and is the surcharge, that is the penalty for not wanting to hand over the original tithe

God never was into money, cash or monitised tithe, tithes were paid in agricultural produce (e.g. farming, cultivating soil, producing crops and raising livestock), besides, the laws of tithing only applied to the land of Israel, and farmers in the Diaspora have no obligation to give tithes...

Now the ISRAELITE that paid tithe, in cash or money, would have had to pay on top of the tithe value, also a 20% surcharge penalty for this liberty

Every tithe of the herd and flock
--every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd's rod--will be holy to the LORD.
- Leviticus 27:32

Leviticus 27:32 above, that's the instruction on tithes. Remember, if you started with 1 livestock (e.g. 1 cow or 1 lamb) and at the end of year, bred and raised 9 cows or just 9 lambs, then that means you as an Israelite dont pay tithe for that year, essentially there are times you dont even pay or give tithes.
CodeTemplar, xpmode

alBHAGDADI:
How agricultural produce take enter spoils of war?

Don't you know that money, agricultural produce, shields, swords, horses etc were part of what the people of old always take to war? The money was used to pay soldiers their wages and buy more supplies, while the agricultural produce served as food.

And Abraham's once in a lifetime tithe should be the reason Christians should part with a tenth of their monthly income?

OkaiCorne:


And Abraham's once in a lifetime tithe should be the reason Christians should part with a tenth of their monthly income?

At least it is recorded that Abraham tithed. Now, where is it recorded that the children of Israel tithed?

alBHAGDADI:
Do you expect me to explain every single one of them? Who has the time? They are all explained in Christ words which says we should love God and our neighbor.

If you can understand what Christ meant by love, you will understand how to fulfill those laws.

So why did you claim you explained all those points earlier? Why did you lie?



Let us get something clear, are you saying that if you love God, you don't need to do these?
. Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head — Lev. 19:27
69. Men must not shave their beards with a razor — Lev. 19:27
73. Not to tear the skin in mourning — Deut. 14:1
74. Not to make a bald spot in mourning — Deut. 14:1
76. To say the Shema twice daily — Deut. 6:7
79. To wear tefillin (phylacteries) on the head — Deut. 6:8
80. To bind tefillin on the arm — Deut. 6:8
81. To put a mezuzah on the door post — Deut. 6:9
82. Each male must write a Torah scroll — Deut. 31:19
108. Not to eat chametz on the afternoon of the 14th day of Nisan — Deut. 16:3
109. To destroy all chametz on 14th day of Nisan — Ex. 12:15
110. Not to eat chametz all seven days of Passover —Ex. 13:3
111. Not to eat mixtures containing chametz all seven days of Passover — Ex. 12:20
112. Not to see chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 13:7
113. Not to find chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 12:19
114. To eat matzah on the first night of Passover — Ex. 12:18
115. To relate the Exodus from Egypt on that night — Ex. 13:8
116. To hear the Shofar on the first day of Tishrei (Rosh Hashanah) — Num. 9:1
117. To dwell in a Sukkah for the seven days of Sukkot — Lev. 23:42
128. To perform yibbum (marry the widow of one's childless brother) — Deut. 25:5
129. To perform halizah (free the widow of one's childless brother from yibbum) — Deut. 25:9
232. Not to sell the cherem — Lev. 27:28
233. Not to redeem the cherem — Lev. 27:28
234. Not to plant diverse seeds together — Lev. 19:19
235. Not to plant grains or greens in a vineyard — Deut. 22:9
236. Not to crossbreed animals — Lev. 19:19
237. Not to work different animals together — Deut. 22:10
238. Not to wear shaatnez, a cloth woven of wool and linen — Deut. 22:11
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
427. The Kohanim must not eat unblemished firstborn animals outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17
429. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
430. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33
436. A woman who had a running (vaginal) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:28-29
437. A woman who gave birth must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 12:6
438. A man who had a running (unnatural urinary) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after he goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:13-14
439. A metzora (one having a skin disease) must bring an offering (in the Temple) after going to the Mikveh — Lev. 14:10
455. Observe the laws of impurity caused by childbirth — Lev. 12:2

alBHAGDADI:
At least it is recorded that Abraham tithed. Now, where is it recorded that the children of Israel tithed?

1) Who was Jesus referring to in Matthew 23 v 23?

2) Who was Moses referring to in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29?

openmine:

The bible says a tenth of the war spoils or plunder!
Money is not included in the spoils of war just goods that are of immerse value!

Did you see it to know for sure, or you are just talking?

The Bible says he gave a tenth of ALL, and all means all. Or didn't I show you how it is possible that money was among the spoils of war?

openmine:

Good!
So give me scriptures where such can be found about first fruit!
no long story!

No need for scripture here, just common sense.

If you say first fruit and tithing are different, then you will come across an error. To you, first fruit may be the whole of January salary. Now, if you give the whole of January salary, how will you now pay tithe for January? Can you now see the error?

OkaiCorne:

1) Who was Jesus referring to in Matthew 23 v 23?
2) Who was Moses referring to in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29?

1) How many times was it recorded that they tithed?
2) Deutoronomy wasn't saying they tithed. It is just an instruction .

alBHAGDADI:
1) How many times was it recorded that they tithed?

2) Deutoronomy wasn't saying they tithed. It is just an instruction .

More evidences that the children of Israel gave tithes regularly; this was an example in the era of king Hezekiah

2 Chronicles 31 v 5-12;

5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.

6 And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the Lord their God, and laid them by heaps.

7 In the third month they began to lay the foundation of the heaps, and finished them in the seventh month.

8 And when Hezekiah and the princes came and saw the heaps, they blessed the Lord, and his people Israel.

9 Then Hezekiah questioned with the priests and the Levites concerning the heaps.

10 And Azariah the chief priest of the house of Zadok answered him, and said, Since the people began to bring the offerings into the house of the Lord, we have had enough to eat, and have left plenty: for the Lord hath blessed his people; and that which is left is this great store.

11 Then Hezekiah commanded to prepare chambers in the house of the Lord; and they prepared them,

12 And brought in the offerings and the tithes and the dedicated things faithfully: over which Cononiah the Levite was ruler, and Shimei his brother was the next.

OkaiCorne:


So why did you claim you explained all those points earlier? Why did you lie?



Let us get something clear, are you saying that if you love God, you don't need to do these?
. Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head — Lev. 19:27
69. Men must not shave their beards with a razor — Lev. 19:27
73. Not to tear the skin in mourning — Deut. 14:1
74. Not to make a bald spot in mourning — Deut. 14:1
76. To say the Shema twice daily — Deut. 6:7
79. To wear tefillin (phylacteries) on the head — Deut. 6:8
80. To bind tefillin on the arm — Deut. 6:8
81. To put a mezuzah on the door post — Deut. 6:9
82. Each male must write a Torah scroll — Deut. 31:19
108. Not to eat chametz on the afternoon of the 14th day of Nisan — Deut. 16:3
109. To destroy all chametz on 14th day of Nisan — Ex. 12:15
110. Not to eat chametz all seven days of Passover —Ex. 13:3
111. Not to eat mixtures containing chametz all seven days of Passover — Ex. 12:20
112. Not to see chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 13:7
113. Not to find chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 12:19
114. To eat matzah on the first night of Passover — Ex. 12:18
115. To relate the Exodus from Egypt on that night — Ex. 13:8
116. To hear the Shofar on the first day of Tishrei (Rosh Hashanah) — Num. 9:1
117. To dwell in a Sukkah for the seven days of Sukkot — Lev. 23:42
128. To perform yibbum (marry the widow of one's childless brother) — Deut. 25:5
129. To perform halizah (free the widow of one's childless brother from yibbum) — Deut. 25:9
232. Not to sell the cherem — Lev. 27:28
233. Not to redeem the cherem — Lev. 27:28
234. Not to plant diverse seeds together — Lev. 19:19
235. Not to plant grains or greens in a vineyard — Deut. 22:9
236. Not to crossbreed animals — Lev. 19:19
237. Not to work different animals together — Deut. 22:10
238. Not to wear shaatnez, a cloth woven of wool and linen — Deut. 22:11
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
427. The Kohanim must not eat unblemished firstborn animals outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17
429. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
430. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33
436. A woman who had a running (vaginal) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:28-29
437. A woman who gave birth must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 12:6
438. A man who had a running (unnatural urinary) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after he goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:13-14
439. A metzora (one having a skin disease) must bring an offering (in the Temple) after going to the Mikveh — Lev. 14:10
455. Observe the laws of impurity caused by childbirth — Lev. 12:2

alBHAGDADI, we are still awaiting you response to the above question;

So why did you claim you explained all those points earlier? Why did you lie?



Let us get something clear, are you saying that if you love God, you don't need to do these?
. Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head — Lev. 19:27
69. Men must not shave their beards with a razor — Lev. 19:27
73. Not to tear the skin in mourning — Deut. 14:1
74. Not to make a bald spot in mourning — Deut. 14:1
76. To say the Shema twice daily — Deut. 6:7
79. To wear tefillin (phylacteries) on the head — Deut. 6:8
80. To bind tefillin on the arm — Deut. 6:8
81. To put a mezuzah on the door post — Deut. 6:9
82. Each male must write a Torah scroll — Deut. 31:19
108. Not to eat chametz on the afternoon of the 14th day of Nisan — Deut. 16:3
109. To destroy all chametz on 14th day of Nisan — Ex. 12:15
110. Not to eat chametz all seven days of Passover —Ex. 13:3
111. Not to eat mixtures containing chametz all seven days of Passover — Ex. 12:20
112. Not to see chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 13:7
113. Not to find chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 12:19
114. To eat matzah on the first night of Passover — Ex. 12:18
115. To relate the Exodus from Egypt on that night — Ex. 13:8
116. To hear the Shofar on the first day of Tishrei (Rosh Hashanah) — Num. 9:1
117. To dwell in a Sukkah for the seven days of Sukkot — Lev. 23:42
128. To perform yibbum (marry the widow of one's childless brother) — Deut. 25:5
129. To perform halizah (free the widow of one's childless brother from yibbum) — Deut. 25:9
232. Not to sell the cherem — Lev. 27:28
233. Not to redeem the cherem — Lev. 27:28
234. Not to plant diverse seeds together — Lev. 19:19
235. Not to plant grains or greens in a vineyard — Deut. 22:9
236. Not to crossbreed animals — Lev. 19:19
237. Not to work different animals together — Deut. 22:10
238. Not to wear shaatnez, a cloth woven of wool and linen — Deut. 22:11
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
427. The Kohanim must not eat unblemished firstborn animals outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17
429. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
430. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33
436. A woman who had a running (vaginal) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:28-29
437. A woman who gave birth must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 12:6
438. A man who had a running (unnatural urinary) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after he goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:13-14
439. A metzora (one having a skin disease) must bring an offering (in the Temple) after going to the Mikveh — Lev. 14:10
455. Observe the laws of impurity caused by childbirth — Lev. 12:2

OkCornel:


alBHAGDADI, we are still awaiting you response to the above question;

So why did you claim you explained all those points earlier? Why did you lie?



Let us get something clear, are you saying that if you love God, you don't need to do these?
. Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head — Lev. 19:27
69. Men must not shave their beards with a razor — Lev. 19:27
73. Not to tear the skin in mourning — Deut. 14:1
74. Not to make a bald spot in mourning — Deut. 14:1
76. To say the Shema twice daily — Deut. 6:7
79. To wear tefillin (phylacteries) on the head — Deut. 6:8
80. To bind tefillin on the arm — Deut. 6:8
81. To put a mezuzah on the door post — Deut. 6:9
82. Each male must write a Torah scroll — Deut. 31:19
108. Not to eat chametz on the afternoon of the 14th day of Nisan — Deut. 16:3
109. To destroy all chametz on 14th day of Nisan — Ex. 12:15
110. Not to eat chametz all seven days of Passover —Ex. 13:3
111. Not to eat mixtures containing chametz all seven days of Passover — Ex. 12:20
112. Not to see chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 13:7
113. Not to find chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 12:19
114. To eat matzah on the first night of Passover — Ex. 12:18
115. To relate the Exodus from Egypt on that night — Ex. 13:8
116. To hear the Shofar on the first day of Tishrei (Rosh Hashanah) — Num. 9:1
117. To dwell in a Sukkah for the seven days of Sukkot — Lev. 23:42
128. To perform yibbum (marry the widow of one's childless brother) — Deut. 25:5
129. To perform halizah (free the widow of one's childless brother from yibbum) — Deut. 25:9
232. Not to sell the cherem — Lev. 27:28
233. Not to redeem the cherem — Lev. 27:28
234. Not to plant diverse seeds together — Lev. 19:19
235. Not to plant grains or greens in a vineyard — Deut. 22:9
236. Not to crossbreed animals — Lev. 19:19
237. Not to work different animals together — Deut. 22:10
238. Not to wear shaatnez, a cloth woven of wool and linen — Deut. 22:11
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
427. The Kohanim must not eat unblemished firstborn animals outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17
429. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
430. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33
436. A woman who had a running (vaginal) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:28-29
437. A woman who gave birth must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 12:6
438. A man who had a running (unnatural urinary) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after he goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:13-14
439. A metzora (one having a skin disease) must bring an offering (in the Temple) after going to the Mikveh — Lev. 14:10
455. Observe the laws of impurity caused by childbirth — Lev. 12:2

If I explain each and everyone of them, I can bet it that your greedy skull still won't accept it because you don't want to give God what belongs to him. I'll rather not waste such precious time. Even the two points I explained, you still didn't show appreciation.

alBHAGDADI:
1) How many times was it recorded that they tithed?

2) Deutoronomy wasn't saying they tithed. It is just an instruction .

Another example of the Children of Israel giving tithes in the era of Nehemiah after their return from exile (when the Persian King Cyrus ruled);

Nehemiah 10 v 37-38
37 And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.

38 And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.

OkCornel:


More evidences that the children of Israel gave tithes regularly; this was an example in the era of king Hezekiah

2 Chronicles 31 v 5-12;

5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.

6 And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the Lord their God, and laid them by heaps.

7 In the third month they began to lay the foundation of the heaps, and finished them in the seventh month.

8 And when Hezekiah and the princes came and saw the heaps, they blessed the Lord, and his people Israel.

9 Then Hezekiah questioned with the priests and the Levites concerning the heaps.

10 And Azariah the chief priest of the house of Zadok answered him, and said, Since the people began to bring the offerings into the house of the Lord, we have had enough to eat, and have left plenty: for the Lord hath blessed his people; and that which is left is this great store.

11 Then Hezekiah commanded to prepare chambers in the house of the Lord; and they prepared them,

12 And brought in the offerings and the tithes and the dedicated things faithfully: over which Cononiah the Levite was ruler, and Shimei his brother was the next.

Was it found only in one book? But Abraham's story was just majorly in one book.

alBHAGDADI:


If I explain each and everyone of them, I can bet it that your greedy skull still won't accept it because you don't want to give God what belongs to him. I'll rather not waste such precious time. Even the two points I explained, you still didn't show appreciation.

The two points you explained never mentioned anything about not keeping these...

Whether the Law is written on a scroll, on your mind, does it exempt you from keeping these instructions?

68. Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head — Lev. 19:27
69. Men must not shave their beards with a razor — Lev. 19:27
73. Not to tear the skin in mourning — Deut. 14:1
74. Not to make a bald spot in mourning — Deut. 14:1
76. To say the Shema twice daily — Deut. 6:7
79. To wear tefillin (phylacteries) on the head — Deut. 6:8
80. To bind tefillin on the arm — Deut. 6:8
81. To put a mezuzah on the door post — Deut. 6:9
82. Each male must write a Torah scroll — Deut. 31:19
108. Not to eat chametz on the afternoon of the 14th day of Nisan — Deut. 16:3
109. To destroy all chametz on 14th day of Nisan — Ex. 12:15
110. Not to eat chametz all seven days of Passover —Ex. 13:3
111. Not to eat mixtures containing chametz all seven days of Passover — Ex. 12:20
112. Not to see chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 13:7
113. Not to find chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 12:19
114. To eat matzah on the first night of Passover — Ex. 12:18
115. To relate the Exodus from Egypt on that night — Ex. 13:8
116. To hear the Shofar on the first day of Tishrei (Rosh Hashanah) — Num. 9:1
117. To dwell in a Sukkah for the seven days of Sukkot — Lev. 23:42
128. To perform yibbum (marry the widow of one's childless brother) — Deut. 25:5
129. To perform halizah (free the widow of one's childless brother from yibbum) — Deut. 25:9
232. Not to sell the cherem — Lev. 27:28
233. Not to redeem the cherem — Lev. 27:28
234. Not to plant diverse seeds together — Lev. 19:19
235. Not to plant grains or greens in a vineyard — Deut. 22:9
236. Not to crossbreed animals — Lev. 19:19
237. Not to work different animals together — Deut. 22:10
238. Not to wear shaatnez, a cloth woven of wool and linen — Deut. 22:11
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
427. The Kohanim must not eat unblemished firstborn animals outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17
429. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
430. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33
436. A woman who had a running (vaginal) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:28-29
437. A woman who gave birth must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 12:6
438. A man who had a running (unnatural urinary) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after he goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:13-14
439. A metzora (one having a skin disease) must bring an offering (in the Temple) after going to the Mikveh — Lev. 14:10
455. Observe the laws of impurity caused by childbirth — Lev. 12:2


1) WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR STICKING TO TITHING BUT DISCARDING THESE

2) SINCE YOU INSIST THE LAW IS STILL ACTIVE, ARE YOU ALSO OBEYING THESE INSTRUCTIONS?

alBHAGDADI:
Was it found only in one book? But Abraham's story was just majorly in one book.

You asked for evidence of the children of Israel giving tithes abi?

What is the correlation between the answers I gave you and this question you just asked?

OkCornel:


The two points you explained never mentioned anything about not keeping these...

Whether the Law is written on a scroll, on your mind, does it exempt you from keeping these instructions?

68. Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head — Lev. 19:27
69. Men must not shave their beards with a razor — Lev. 19:27
73. Not to tear the skin in mourning — Deut. 14:1
74. Not to make a bald spot in mourning — Deut. 14:1
76. To say the Shema twice daily — Deut. 6:7
79. To wear tefillin (phylacteries) on the head — Deut. 6:8
80. To bind tefillin on the arm — Deut. 6:8
81. To put a mezuzah on the door post — Deut. 6:9
82. Each male must write a Torah scroll — Deut. 31:19
108. Not to eat chametz on the afternoon of the 14th day of Nisan — Deut. 16:3
109. To destroy all chametz on 14th day of Nisan — Ex. 12:15
110. Not to eat chametz all seven days of Passover —Ex. 13:3
111. Not to eat mixtures containing chametz all seven days of Passover — Ex. 12:20
112. Not to see chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 13:7
113. Not to find chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 12:19
114. To eat matzah on the first night of Passover — Ex. 12:18
115. To relate the Exodus from Egypt on that night — Ex. 13:8
116. To hear the Shofar on the first day of Tishrei (Rosh Hashanah) — Num. 9:1
117. To dwell in a Sukkah for the seven days of Sukkot — Lev. 23:42
128. To perform yibbum (marry the widow of one's childless brother) — Deut. 25:5
129. To perform halizah (free the widow of one's childless brother from yibbum) — Deut. 25:9
232. Not to sell the cherem — Lev. 27:28
233. Not to redeem the cherem — Lev. 27:28
234. Not to plant diverse seeds together — Lev. 19:19
235. Not to plant grains or greens in a vineyard — Deut. 22:9
236. Not to crossbreed animals — Lev. 19:19
237. Not to work different animals together — Deut. 22:10
238. Not to wear shaatnez, a cloth woven of wool and linen — Deut. 22:11
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
427. The Kohanim must not eat unblemished firstborn animals outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17
429. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
430. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33
436. A woman who had a running (vaginal) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:28-29
437. A woman who gave birth must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 12:6
438. A man who had a running (unnatural urinary) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after he goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:13-14
439. A metzora (one having a skin disease) must bring an offering (in the Temple) after going to the Mikveh — Lev. 14:10
455. Observe the laws of impurity caused by childbirth — Lev. 12:2


WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR STICKING TO TITHING BUT DISCARDING THESE

.It seems you like argument.

It is a waste of time trying to convince you. I didn't create this thread for your likes. I did for those obedient children.

alBHAGDADI:

.It seems you like argument.

It is a waste of time trying to convince you. I didn't create this thread for your likes. I did for those obedient children.

You insisted the Law is still active, and Christians should give tithes and firstfruits; why aren't these also preached?

68. Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head — Lev. 19:27
69. Men must not shave their beards with a razor — Lev. 19:27
73. Not to tear the skin in mourning — Deut. 14:1
74. Not to make a bald spot in mourning — Deut. 14:1
76. To say the Shema twice daily — Deut. 6:7
79. To wear tefillin (phylacteries) on the head — Deut. 6:8
80. To bind tefillin on the arm — Deut. 6:8
81. To put a mezuzah on the door post — Deut. 6:9
82. Each male must write a Torah scroll — Deut. 31:19
108. Not to eat chametz on the afternoon of the 14th day of Nisan — Deut. 16:3
109. To destroy all chametz on 14th day of Nisan — Ex. 12:15
110. Not to eat chametz all seven days of Passover —Ex. 13:3
111. Not to eat mixtures containing chametz all seven days of Passover — Ex. 12:20
112. Not to see chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 13:7
113. Not to find chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 12:19
114. To eat matzah on the first night of Passover — Ex. 12:18
115. To relate the Exodus from Egypt on that night — Ex. 13:8
116. To hear the Shofar on the first day of Tishrei (Rosh Hashanah) — Num. 9:1
117. To dwell in a Sukkah for the seven days of Sukkot — Lev. 23:42
128. To perform yibbum (marry the widow of one's childless brother) — Deut. 25:5
129. To perform halizah (free the widow of one's childless brother from yibbum) — Deut. 25:9
232. Not to sell the cherem — Lev. 27:28
233. Not to redeem the cherem — Lev. 27:28
234. Not to plant diverse seeds together — Lev. 19:19
235. Not to plant grains or greens in a vineyard — Deut. 22:9
236. Not to crossbreed animals — Lev. 19:19
237. Not to work different animals together — Deut. 22:10
238. Not to wear shaatnez, a cloth woven of wool and linen — Deut. 22:11
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
427. The Kohanim must not eat unblemished firstborn animals outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17
429. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
430. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33
436. A woman who had a running (vaginal) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:28-29
437. A woman who gave birth must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 12:6
438. A man who had a running (unnatural urinary) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after he goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:13-14
439. A metzora (one having a skin disease) must bring an offering (in the Temple) after going to the Mikveh — Lev. 14:10
455. Observe the laws of impurity caused by childbirth — Lev. 12:2

So much for alBHAGDADI and his lies;

OkaiCorne:


Ehen... Now that you are back, and you still insist the Law is active... tell us how you have been obeying these instructions...

68. Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head — Lev. 19:27
69. Men must not shave their beards with a razor — Lev. 19:27
73. Not to tear the skin in mourning — Deut. 14:1
74. Not to make a bald spot in mourning — Deut. 14:1
76. To say the Shema twice daily — Deut. 6:7
79. To wear tefillin (phylacteries) on the head — Deut. 6:8
80. To bind tefillin on the arm — Deut. 6:8
81. To put a mezuzah on the door post — Deut. 6:9
82. Each male must write a Torah scroll — Deut. 31:19
108. Not to eat chametz on the afternoon of the 14th day of Nisan — Deut. 16:3
109. To destroy all chametz on 14th day of Nisan — Ex. 12:15
110. Not to eat chametz all seven days of Passover —Ex. 13:3
111. Not to eat mixtures containing chametz all seven days of Passover — Ex. 12:20
112. Not to see chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 13:7
113. Not to find chametz in your domain seven days — Ex. 12:19
114. To eat matzah on the first night of Passover — Ex. 12:18
115. To relate the Exodus from Egypt on that night — Ex. 13:8
116. To hear the Shofar on the first day of Tishrei (Rosh Hashanah) — Num. 9:1
117. To dwell in a Sukkah for the seven days of Sukkot — Lev. 23:42
128. To perform yibbum (marry the widow of one's childless brother) — Deut. 25:5
129. To perform halizah (free the widow of one's childless brother from yibbum) — Deut. 25:9
232. Not to sell the cherem — Lev. 27:28
233. Not to redeem the cherem — Lev. 27:28
234. Not to plant diverse seeds together — Lev. 19:19
235. Not to plant grains or greens in a vineyard — Deut. 22:9
236. Not to crossbreed animals — Lev. 19:19
237. Not to work different animals together — Deut. 22:10
238. Not to wear shaatnez, a cloth woven of wool and linen — Deut. 22:11
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
427. The Kohanim must not eat unblemished firstborn animals outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17
429. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
430. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33
436. A woman who had a running (vaginal) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:28-29
437. A woman who gave birth must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 12:6
438. A man who had a running (unnatural urinary) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after he goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:13-14
439. A metzora (one having a skin disease) must bring an offering (in the Temple) after going to the Mikveh — Lev. 14:10
455. Observe the laws of impurity caused by childbirth — Lev. 12:2

alBHAGDADI:


Mr recycler, I already explained all these. Stop bring them back.

OkaiCorne:


You are a liar, you just spoke on point 80 and 81 and ran away. Now you are claiming you explained all of them.

You claimed the Law is still active. Why aren't you following all those instructions?

alBHAGDADI:
Do you expect me to explain every single one of them? Who has the time? They are all explained in Christ words which says we should love God and our neighbor.

If you can understand what Christ meant by love, you will understand how to fulfill those laws.

sukerefakere:
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you wicked die

MuttleyLaff:
You're not a Christian militant, Apologist, Writer, Polemicist to Islam, Crusader only, you hereby are now a confirmed front page junkie

It's on front page already.

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If God needs all these from humans, will it be fair to assume that he is not as powerful as the "paradise hustlers" would want us to believe?

How can a king who has it all still demand from the meagre earnings of his subjects? I don't believe that God is as petty as humans claim. Our God is a jealous God. Jealous of who? He is omniscient and omnipotent.

It doesn't help that it is other mortals that consume these products for God.

Please.

Christians cajol the Muslims for strapping bombs and blowing themselves up for Allah while ignoring their ignorance of handing over their money to another human to reserve a place for them in heaven. The heaven's agents have no claim that the heaven which tickets they pretend to sell exists. I can categorically say the every religious fanatic is a dimwit. Religion is the original 419: Pay little money for a bigger reward. In the end, the payer (mugu aka Christians) lose it all while the receiver (Yahoo plus guy aka pastors) live extravagantly from the proceeds of their scam. In both cases, false claims and unverifiable promises are made.

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I'm a Christian. Believe in tithes and first fruits. But this is becoming embarrassing and bringing mockery to us believers. We are over flogging this issue when every true Christian knows the right thing to do.O.p check the comments here and see how people are bashing the Christian faith and our respected pastors. Enough of this tithe matter abeg!

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Chai....the funniest thing have ever seen on naira land..
Olopa ewoni Tepe ....kodeni kure]

NPComplete:
^^^Preemptive tactics. We know the way. Lol. Keep it up and collect more money this Sunday.

Tithing and First fruit are 2 different things. Malachai 3:8-10 was clear on tithes. Not first fruit

alBHAGDADI:

We are barely days into the New Year and those against tithe/firstfruits have already started launching their attack on the doctrine. According to these people, the concept of firstfruits is not a doctrine for Christians because we are not under the law of Moses. What they fail to know is that even before the forefathers of Moses were born, God had been collecting first fruits from humans. This post will show that it is God himself that ordained the collection of firstfruits and it is not subject to any law.

The first person recorded to have given first fruit or firstling is Abel the son of Adam and Eve. He and his brother Cain were told to do so By God.

Genesis 4:4
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

You see, whenever we mention Abel as someone who gave first fruit way before the law of Moses, all those anti-tithers love to give excuses to rubbish such point. One of the excuses they give is that God didn't command or order him to bring any first fruit, which means he did it of his own free will. Before I show you that it is God that commanded Abel and Cain to make that sacrifice, I will first of all like to show you that these anti-tithers understand nothing about the Bible. They don't understand because they lack the spirit of God, that's why someone can deceive them easily against tithing.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and
they are life.

They lack the spirit of God, that's why they don't understand the word of God which is spiritually discerned. Now, let me show you that God gave the command for Abel and Cain to offer sacrifice unto him. See what the Bible said below.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Did you notice the words in bold above? The above verse says Abel offered sacrifice to God by faith. This means he believed in the word of God and proceeded to offer the sacrifice. This clearly shows that the word of God told him to do what he did, meaning he didn't do it if his own free will. See what the Bible says about faith and the word of God below.

Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

As seen above, you can't have faith without hearing the word of God. Now, if the Bible in Hebrews 11:4 says Abel had faith in God towards offering a sacrifice, then it means he heard the word of God telling him to offer the sacrifice. He heard the word of God and had faith in it which made him carry out the command.

It's now ridiculous for people who lack understanding of the Bible to sit somewhere and start saying God never commanded Abel to bring first fruits or firstlings. They read the Bible like it's a romance novel, that's why they never grab anything from the word which is spirit.

It is that same practice of Abel that Abraham followed, his grandson Jacob followed and also the children of Israel under the law of Moses. God is still the same yesterday, today and forever. He change not. If he collected first fruit from the people of old even way before the law of Moses, then what makes you think he has changed?

Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD , I change not;

Yes, I understand that many are angry that today's pastors have abused this doctrine and have enriched themselves with it to the point of living in opulence and flying in jets. But that doesn't mean we should throw away the doctrine which is the word of God. Throwing it away because of them is like throwing away the baby with the bath water.

If you feel your church is one those who have abused this doctrine, then find another church which hasn't; they exist. Mind you, not all churches are really the house of God. As long as the message they preach is works based salvation and not saved by grace alone, then such is not the house of God. Such churches are an example of Cain and his offering. That is why most people who pay first fruits there are not really getting blessed. Let me show you why they are Cain.

Remember we established above that it was the word of God that made Cain and Abel make sacrifice unto God. But how come God rejected Cain's sacrifice but accepted Abel's?

Cain failed to follow instruction given by God's word. How do we know what this instruction is? We know this from Abel's sacrifice which the Bible says God had respect for. Abel made a blood sacrifice unto God, he sacrificed a lamb. Had it been Cain did the same thing, his sacrifice would have been accepted too. Rather, he offered fruits of the ground while Abel offered the blood of a lamb which represents the blood of Jesus Christ who is this Holy Lamb.

Cain's offering was based on his works. He thought if he offered an offering based on his sweat of tilling the soil and harvesting the produce, God will be more pleased by his effort. He failed to obey simple instruction of offering blood sacrifice, instead he relied on his WORKS. His sacrifice represents work based salvation, hence the reason why God rejected it.

Abel on the other hand followed the instructions God gave. He didnt rely on his works but relied on the blood of the lamb which is the same as relying on the blood of Jesus which was sacrificed on the cross. That is what God wants us to do today. But these dubious churches have changed the gospel and are now selling a work based salvation where people No longer rely on the sacrifice of Jesus but on their works of righteousness or their ability not to sin. They have turned their congregation into people who will present works of righteousness which the Bible calls filthy rags before God as their means of salvation.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing , and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;

They do not know that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. And it is not of our works lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

So, if your church is telling you that you can lose your salvation and that salvation involves works, then that is a clear pointer that such a place is not the house of God. That is why the pastors of such churches are very wealthy because they do not believe in God and have fleeced the sheep to stupor. If you continue to give your money whether in offering, tithe or first fruit, just know that your money is not reaching God. It's the same as going to GTBank to send Money to me when I don't bank with them. The money won't get to me. You have to look for the right bank which I have an account with before I can receive the money.

To all those who go about telling people Not to pay tithe or give Money to church, be careful or else God will descend on you.

Hebrews 10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

You know little about God's word yet you are going about persuading people to disobeying him. If you have decided not to pay to churches, so be it. But going about telling others to do the same is very dangerous.

Many will come to this thread to try to rubbish it by saying I'm a pastor trying to defend my cake. I'm not a pastor neither do I have a church. People who make such claims only do so to prove they are on the wrong. They attack the messenger while they neglect the message. That is being guilty.

To those that always quotes the old testament extensively to support n justify the concept of first fruit or to the,are you also ready to accept n abide by all the other provisions of the old testament?

Ignorance is profitable to those fraudulent pulpit scammers