Hairyrapunzel:


Christ resurrected as himself. He said so himself. You can't change that.

Luke 24:36-40 - And as they thus spoke, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and said unto them, Peace be unto you.

37. But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

38. And He said unto them, Why are ye troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as you see me have.

40. And when He had thus spoken, He showed them his hands and his feet


Na Jesus Christ talk am. You expect us to disregard Jesus Christ's words and accept your assumption because you have become Jesus right?

Show us the bible verse where Jesus Christ said he was a spirit on resurrection na?

false jw's don't understand or believe the parts of the bible that go against what they are told to believe
they think God contradicts himself and they make Him out a liar:

1Jn_5:10  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Ken4Christ:
JW members who have been indoctrinated are difficult to convert. They have been trained to ignore the truth and follow their deceptive teachings. The worst of their teachings is the denial of the existence of hell which is clearly revealed in the Bible. I wish they could see the doom that awaits them. Please, give your life to Jesus. He is the only way to God. Otherwise, you will face his wrath.

"For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?". (Revelation 6:17).

when exactly did God create hell?

ableguy:

Oga I don't have ur time biko, understand whatever u want I have shown u several scriptures proving Christ was resurrected in spirit so be there arguing the scripture yet u call yourself a follower of Christ

if Jesus was resurrected in SPIRIT as you say? Then y did the tomb need to be rolled away?
A spirit is limited by material blockades?
If the body of Jesus was replaced by a new forged but identical body, how did the second body get smuggled into the tomb? Remember it is a body,hence material and PHYSICAL. How did it get past the gaurds, into the tomb, then wrapped up in the old grave cloths? How did it get into the grave past the watchful eyes of crack roman gaurds. If any of those soldiers,so much as fell asleep on duty,the entire group was burnt to death as punishmnt.
So brought in the new body?
If u say God miraculously fabricated a new body,in the grave for Jesus,what happened to the former? Dissapeared? Vanished? But y the duplication of effort? God is a wise God. It's foolish to do the same thing needlessly twice?
If God manufactured a new body in the grave,then it means,either God the Father left heaven and came to the grave, then heaven was lacking two of the God head. Or the holy spirit was in the grave,doing the works. If on the othe other hand it was an angel,then they were two angelic visits to the tomb in just 2 days! One to smuggle in the fake body, one to roll back the tomb!
If God did really replace the old body with a fake lookalike, where did he get the exact roman nails to make holes in it with? Did he pull it off the old cross jesus died on? Remember, for God to b true and not a liar,it has to be the prints of THE NAILS (the original nails) used on the old body.
Then who did the nailing? A roman soldier? Where? In heaven! An angel? Or God himself? What of the stripes on the body? Who put the stripes?
Lastly the bible says in prophecy that God wouldnt leave Jesus soul in hell or allow his body (in the tomb) see corruption/decay. So God would b breaking His word by destroying the old body.

chiedozie198100:


when exactly did God create hell?

He thought of it from the beginning so that his holiness could be called to question!
If not a disastrous blunder,how can people think that a person claiming to be HOLY[meaning PURE~CLEAN~GOOD] in all respect including his thoughts could PREARRANGE such a place of ETERNAL agony for his own children simply because they were deceived? Jeremiah 7:31
Perhaps the problem with hellfire fabricators is forgetting that both angels[including demons] and humans were God's children from the onset! Genesis 1:26-28,6:1,Job 1:6,Psalm 82:1,6

Maximus69:
He thought of it from the beginning so that his holiness could be called to question!
If not a disastrous blunder,how can people think that a person claiming to be HOLY[meaning PURE~CLEAN~GOOD] in all respect including his thoughts could PREARRANGE such a place of ETERNAL agony for his own children simply because they were deceived? Jeremiah 7:31
Perhaps the problem with hellfire fabricators is forgetting that both angels[including demons] and humans were God's children from the onset! Genesis 1:26-28,6:1,Job 1:6,Psalm 82:1,6

The bible says God created hell for the devil and his angels.
If angels r God's children, why didnt Jesus die for them as well? Or is God a partial God?

Maximus69:
He thought of it from the beginning so that his holiness could be called to question!
If not a disastrous blunder,how can people think that a person claiming to be HOLY[meaning PURE~CLEAN~GOOD] in all respect including his thoughts could PREARRANGE such a place of ETERNAL agony for his own children simply because they were deceived? Jeremiah 7:31
Perhaps the problem with hellfire fabricators is forgetting that both angels[including demons] and humans were God's children from the onset! Genesis 1:26-28,6:1,Job 1:6,Psalm 82:1,6

my dear no mind them, if only they know how foolish it is to keep preaching this hellfire nonsense.

anytime I ask a so-called born again Christian that question, they go blank.

asalimpo:

The bible says God created hell for the devil and his angels.
If angels r God's children, why didnt Jesus die for them as well? Or is God a partial God?

the question still remains, when exactly was hell created, cos the bible says that God created everything (including the devil n the angels) and saw that everything He created was good. and then He rested on the seventh day. did He "come out" of retirement? and at what point did He add humans to the list of hellfire candidates?

2kings2v11: And it came to pass ,as they still went on and talked, that , behold,there appeared a chariot of fire, AND HORSES OF FIRE, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a WHIRLWIND INTO HEAVEN

Matth10v28: And fear not them which kill the body but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both SOUL and BODY in hell

rev20v11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it,from whose face the earth and heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them

rev20v12 And i saw the DEAD, small and great,stand before God; ... And the DEAD were JUDGED out of those things which were written in the books,according to their works

rev20v13 And the sea gave up the DEAD which were in it; And DEATH and HELL delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every MAN according to their works

rev20v15 And WHOSOEVER was not found written in the book of LIFE was CAST into the LAKE OF FIRE

JOHN5V11[b]for the Father judgeth no MAN,but hath committed ALL JUDGEMENT to the SON [/b]

2Tim4v1 I charge thee therefore God, and the Lord Jesus Christ,who shall JUDGE the quick and the DEAD at HIS APPEARING AND HIS KINGDOM


Matth25v31-32
But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats
@barrister07
Elijah got into a chariot pulled by horses. Horses are fleshly animals. The eat grass (hay) and sh*t like cattle do? So that verse where elijah was taken upto heaven by a chariot is what? A) a literal account b) a parable?
Are the animals that are spirits?
Are they chariots that are spiritual objects yet can carry a physical human?
Is elijah's ascension, real or parable?
If elijah can enter heaven bodily (only enoch nd he never died) can one enter hell bodily? See matth10v28.

@janosky
who is the judge on the throne? Rev20v12? Who is this GOD sitting ON the throne to JUDGE MAN!
JOHN5V11[b]for the Father judgeth no MAN,but hath committed ALL JUDGEMENT to the SON [/b]
oops! Try your best to twist it dude. Mayb it's an angel, the corrupt kjv authors replaced angel with GOD in the 11th century!

@barristter07
at what point in time will a human body and soul be Cast in a fiery place as Jesus warned in matthew10v28? Does it occur anywhere before Rev20v15?

asalimpo:

The bible says God created hell for the devil and his angels.
If angels r God's children, why didnt Jesus die for them as well? Or is God a partial God?

Good question Sir!
Jesus' death can only save those who unfortunately became IMPERFECT intelligent creatures due to procreation[birth] not PERFECT intelligent creatures!
Angels are PERFECT creatures so they have all what it takes to decide whether to remain loyal or rebel against God just as Adam and Eve were also PERFECT from the beginning. Jesus' blood cannot redeem any PERFECT creature! The reason we can be redeemed is because we weren't the ones DIRECTLY involved in the rebellion against God!
Any of the angels in heaven could have come to do what Jesus did,all what we needed is for a PERFECT life to replace what Adam lost so that we can gain salvation. Psalm 49:7-9 But NONE of the angels in heaven dare thought of coming to face Satan's troubles except Jesus who is the most senior or first born of God's Children! Daniel 12:1

JOHN5V11[b]for the Father judgeth no MAN,but hath committed ALL JUDGEMENT to the SON [/b]

2Tim4v1 I charge thee therefore God, and the Lord Jesus Christ,who shall JUDGE the quick and the DEAD at HIS APPEARING AND HIS KINGDOM


Matth25v31-32
But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats

Maximus69:
Good question Sir!
Jesus' death can only save those who unfortunately became IMPERFECT intelligent creatures due to procreation[birth] not PERFECT intelligent creatures!

Angels are PERFECT creatures so they have all what it takes to decide whether to remain loyal or rebel against God just as Adam and Eve were also PERFECT from the beginning. Jesus' blood cannot redeem any PERFECT creature! The reason we can be redeemed is because we weren't the ones DIRECTLY involved in the rebellion against God!
Any of the angels in heaven could have come to do what Jesus did,all what we needed is for a PERFECT life to replace what Adam lost so that we can gain salvation. Psalm 49:7-9 But NONE of the angels in heaven dare thought of coming to face Satan's troubles except Jesus who is the most senior or first born of God's Children! Daniel 12:1

nonsense! Man, saved by the BLOOD OF AN ANGEL right?
Perfect HUMAN CREATURE ... Give scriptures and verses. Please.

Any Angel could hav done what Jesus did - scriptures and verses

Jesus blood can only save perfect intelligent creatures - scriptures nd verses

backup everything u say with verses.

asalimpo:
JOHN5V11[b]for the Father judgeth no MAN,but hath committed ALL JUDGEMENT to the SON [/b]

2Tim4v1 I charge thee therefore God, and the Lord Jesus Christ,who shall JUDGE the quick and the DEAD at HIS APPEARING AND HIS KINGDOM


Matth25v31-32
But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats

Sir all these glory and honour were GIVEN to Jesus AFTER he has completed the assignment of redeeming sinful mankind,that is why he has the right to judge humans and those rebellious angels!
This is why Satan tried all within his capability to thwart the arrangement so that nobody could excape destruction but Jesus successfully completed the assignment and said 'IT IS FINISHED'. John 19:30

asalimpo:

nonsense! Man, saved by the BLOOD OF AN ANGEL right?
Perfect HUMAN CREATURE ... Give scriptures and verses. Please.

Any Angel could hav done what Jesus did - scriptures and verses

Jesus blood can only save perfect intelligent creatures - scriptures nd verses

backup everything u say with verses.

Do you get aggressive each time you see a contrary opinion or you just don't like hearing others speak about their conviction?
Well
¤Perfect human creature is Adam,that is why the Bible equate him with Jesus otherwise he couldn't have been called the first while Jesus is referred to as the last! 1Corinthians 15:45
¤So Jesus' blood can't redeem Adam or Eve because they weren't born SINNERS and Jesus' blood is meant to redeem ONLY sinners not PERFECT creatures! Matthew 9:13
¤All what humans need is another PERFECT life to be sacrificed since it is a PERFECT life who fell into since that plunged all of us into the condition. Romans 5:12, 1Corinthians 15:21
Please don't be annoyed if my post seems offensive,i only chipped in what i understood from the scripture but you can correct me if you can also BACK EVERYTHING YOU'RE GOING TO SAY WITH THE SCRIPTURES!

Maximus69:
Sir all these glory and honour were GIVEN to Jesus AFTER he has completed the assignment of redeeming sinful mankind,that is why he has the right to judge humans and those rebellious angels!
This is why Satan tried all within his capability to thwart the arrangement so that nobody could excape destruction but Jesus successfully completed the assignment and said 'IT IS FINISHED'. John 19:30

sir,who is the GOD mentioned in Rev20v12!
#Jesus is God!

Maximus69:
Do you get aggressive each time you see a contrary opinion or you just don't like hearing others speak about their conviction?
Well
¤Perfect human creature is Adam,that is why the Bible equate him with Jesus otherwise he couldn't have been called the first while Jesus is referred to as the last! 1Corinthians 15:45
¤So Jesus' blood can't redeem Adam or Eve because they weren't born SINNERS and Jesus' blood is meant to redeem ONLY sinners not PERFECT creatures! Matthew 9:13
¤All what humans need is another PERFECT life to be sacrificed since it is a PERFECT life who fell into since that plunged all of us into the condition. Romans 5:12, 1Corinthians 15:21
Please don't be annoyed if my post seems offensive,i only chipped in what i understood from the scripture but you can correct me if you can also BACK EVERYTHING YOU'RE GOING TO SAY WITH THE SCRIPTURES!

i get aggressive when i see blatant lies. Like you would if some1 tried to tell you tht 2+2 isnt 4!
Do you see that Jesus is God according to Rev20v12? Or u will strt telling me watchtower shenanigans (shenaningans?).

chiedozie198100:


my dear no mind them, if only they know how foolish it is to keep preaching this hellfire nonsense.

anytime I ask a so-called born again Christian that question, they go blank.

It's even more foolish to think and wish your jehovah will slaughter/destroy/murder 8 billion people because they refused to join a new York based publishing company called watchtower organization and regard the 8 old men leading the company as the only channel of communication between God and man today.

I know you believe only your gb are born again and have the holy spirit in them and can go to heaven because these gb members told you so. Last last you go dey alright.

Na inside una head Armageddon and paradise earth dey.

chiedozie198100:


the question still remains, when exactly was hell created, cos the bible says that God created everything (including the devil n the angels) and saw that everything He created was good. and then He rested on the seventh day. did He "come out" of retirement? and at what point did He add humans to the list of hellfire candidates?

Since your Bible mentioned when God created hell you can tell us. You know the answer. Be looking for what's not in the Bible so you can manufacture your assumption as answer so as to satisfy yourself

Maximus69:
Sir all these glory and honour were GIVEN to Jesus AFTER he has completed the assignment of redeeming sinful mankind,that is why he has the right to judge humans and those rebellious angels!
This is why Satan tried all within his capability to thwart the arrangement so that nobody could excape destruction but Jesus successfully completed the assignment and said 'IT IS FINISHED'. John 19:30

IT is finished = the old order of animal sacrifices,is finished! Done away with! Hence,the temple veil was torn in two FROM top to bottom! That veil shielded God's Shekinah Glory in the Holy of Holies,where the ark was! With the veil rent, God moved out of the ark and manmade temples and the OLD ORDER ended! Any more animal sacrifces after that was NONSENSE AND an insult to God. Today, the HUMAN body is the TEMPLE of God! Jesus death ended the old testament and made the NEW testament effective. You dont benefit from your father's will while he is alive only after his death.

asalimpo:

i get aggressive when i see blatant lies. Like you would if some1 tried to tell you tht 2+2 isnt 4!
Do you see that Jesus is God according to Rev20v12? Or u will strt telling me watchtower shenanigans (shenaningans?).

Hmmm
Well everyone sees the other person having contrary opinion as a blatant liar,so just as you think of me the same i'm also thinking of you but i have maintained my calmness!
Before addressing you next question,why not first conclude on the first issue concerning redemption?
Do you now agree that Adam was not born or created with sin[blemish]?
Do you now agree that Adam don't need all what Jesus came to do?
Do you now agree that its ONLY those born in sin that could be redeemed?
Do you now agree that any PERFECT person is fit to redeem sinful mankind?
Please let's conclude on these before proceeding to another topic!

@maximus69
Jesus had been foreordained in God's (the father's) plan of salvation to Judge the world. He had also been foreordained to die for man's sins BEFORE adam sinned. It isnt something that hastily arranged or an after thought.
Rev13v8 ... Lamb slain from THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD
isaiah61v2 to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord and the year of VENGEANCE of our God
notice that when Jesus quoted isaiah 61 in his FIRST coming,he stopped at verse 1! In his SECOND coming verse2 will b fulfilled in the battle or Armaggedon (not what u jws think) and the judgement afterwards. But this roles had been vested on Jesus before He was even born!

Isaiah 11v3-4 also shed more light on Jesus' role as preOrdained Judge of the world. PreOrdained not impromptu or ad hoc.

chiedozie198100:


the question still remains, when exactly was hell created, cos the bible says that God created everything (including the devil n the angels) and saw that everything He created was good. and then He rested on the seventh day. did He "come out" of retirement? and at what point did He add humans to the list of hellfire candidates?

hmmm... The bible says in matth 25v41. Who hell (actually the lake of fire) was created for? Or didnt it say so? Or is Jesus lying?
If then hell (actually the lake of fire but u see Jesus calling it hell) was PREPARED for satan and his rebellious angels- does it mean it doesnt exist? Or it doesnt exist BECAUSE THERE IS NO CALENDAR DATE TELLING when it first came into Existence?

When where the angels of God created? Their creation account isnt recorded SO by your logic- angels dont exist! The angels that visited abraham and lot are PARABOLIC angels!
#You can do better than this

chiedozie198100:

when exactly did God create hell?

when exactly did God create the angels?

asalimpo:
@maximus69
Jesus had been foreordained in God's (the father's) plan of salvation to Judge the world. He had also been foreordained to die for man's sins BEFORE adam sinned. It isnt something that hastily arranged or an after thought.
Rev13v8 ... Lamb slain from THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD
isaiah61v2 to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord and the year of VENGEANCE of our God
notice that when Jesus quoted isaiah 61 in his FIRST coming,he stopped at verse 1! In his SECOND coming verse2 will b fulfilled in the battle or Armaggedon (not what u jws think) and the judgement afterwards. But this roles had been vested on Jesus before He was even born!

Isaiah 11v3-4 also shed more light on Jesus' role as preOrdained Judge of the world. PreOrdained not impromptu or ad hoc.

So God prearranged that Adam would sin then Jesus would come, suffer and die for sinners,then some sinners would fail to get the sense of all of these,so God prearranged Hellfire for those ones!
Hmmm whether Jehovah's Witnesses or not isn't my problem Sir,but i love sensibility when it is presented!
I think 'the founding of the world' began after Adam and Eve sinned. God never intend or spoke of destroying the earth which he created and said 'everything is perfect' but the world of DISOBEDIENT mankind whose foundation was laid AFTER Adam and Eve first DISOBEYED God!
If you carefully notice when the Bible makes mention of the world,it is always about the DISOBEDIENT humans, and God is ready to help as many as possible to know that their foundation is no more as he laid it from the beginning but has been overlaid with DISOBEDIENT attributes that needed to be changed as in reorientation which means redeemed! John 3:16

asalimpo:

answer my original question and leave your opinion out of things.
do spirits have corresponding body parts to humans ?
it's a simple yes or no answer. Backup your response with scriptures.
We are on the issue of the richman having a tongue and talking and being thirsty though dead!

No . its all anthropomorphism .

Humans have sex organs , since you so believe they have body parts like humans , Clarify if they have sex organs ! ?

u don enter am today

asalimpo:
2kings2v11: And it came to pass ,as they still went on and talked, that , behold,there appeared a chariot of fire, AND HORSES OF FIRE, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a WHIRLWIND INTO HEAVEN

Matth10v28: And fear not them which kill the body but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both SOUL and BODY in hell

rev20v11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it,from whose face the earth and heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them

rev20v12 And i saw the DEAD, small and great,stand before God; ... And the DEAD were JUDGED out of those things which were written in the books,according to their works

rev20v13 And the sea gave up the DEAD which were in it; And DEATH and HELL delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every MAN according to their works

rev20v15 And WHOSOEVER was not found written in the book of LIFE was CAST into the LAKE OF FIRE

JOHN5V11[b]for the Father judgeth no MAN,but hath committed ALL JUDGEMENT to the SON [/b]

2Tim4v1 I charge thee therefore God, and the Lord Jesus Christ,who shall JUDGE the quick and the DEAD at HIS APPEARING AND HIS KINGDOM


Matth25v31-32
But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats
@barrister07
Elijah got into a chariot pulled by horses. Horses are fleshly animals. The eat grass (hay) and sh*t like cattle do? So that verse where elijah was taken upto heaven by a chariot is what? A) a literal account b) a parable?
Are the animals that are spirits?
Are they chariots that are spiritual objects yet can carry a physical human?
Is elijah's ascension, real or parable? ]
If elijah can enter heaven bodily (only enoch nd he never died) can one enter hell bodily? See matth10v28.

@janosky
who is the judge on the throne? Rev20v12? Who is this GOD sitting ON the throne to JUDGE MAN!
JOHN5V11[b]for the Father judgeth no MAN,but hath committed ALL JUDGEMENT to the SON [/b]
oops! Try your best to twist it dude. Mayb it's an angel, the corrupt kjv authors replaced angel with GOD in the 11th century!

@barristter07
at what point in time will a human body and soul be Cast in a fiery place as Jesus warned in matthew10v28? Does it occur anywhere before Rev20v15?

John 3:13 Is all you need

Barristter07:


No . its all anthropomorphism .

Humans have sex organs , since you so believe they have body parts like humans , Clarify if they have sex organs ! ?

u don enter am today

Quote the Bible verse. So last last all your beliefs are assumptions.

asalimpo:

paul isnt talking about Jesus having a Different body! But the same body CHANGED. he likens it to a seed sown. The seed dies,rots and is completely done away with. But a new one grows from inside the seed. That aspect trips you all up. But Jesus body didnt rot or decay. His bones were never even broken! Yet he was in the same body glorified! But still the same body.

Same body but it doesn't have blood like the former that depend on blood . #spits# at this ignorance.

Not another body. If God was creating a new body they'd be no need for scars and holes etc because only man could put those holes.
Do some thinking.
As for the passage i mentioned, which u chime on. Yes,Jesus called the lake of fire Hell! When speaking in matthew. It trps you up but that's the truth. If you contest my assertion logically go ahead. My proof is valid. But since u cant argue logically nd originally,u are left regurgitating whatever junk jw feed you.

With this nonsense u just spew

Someone ask: there are how many hell ?

asalimpo:

when exactly did God create the angels?

when God created the heavenly bodies.

Hairyrapunzel:


It's even more foolish to think and wish your jehovah will slaughter/destroy/murder 8 billion people because they refused to join a new York based publishing company called watchtower organization and regard the 8 old men leading the company as the only channel of communication between God and man today.

I know you believe only your gb are born again and have the holy spirit in them and can go to heaven because these gb members told you so. Last last you go dey alright.

Na inside una head Armageddon and paradise earth dey.

I'm not a jehovah's witness.

and may I remind you that adam and even where not condemned to a lake of fire, but to return to the dust they were made out from.

those that died in the flood were not dumped in hell fire.

in fact the whole hell theory was never part of the old testament.

saying that hell is a literal place is like saying that there is actually animals with weird physical structures as recorded in revelations, or angels in heaven that will physically come down to earth and blow trumpets.

my dear most bible illustrations are not literal in its expressions.

chiedozie198100:


I'm not a jehovah's witness.

and may I remind you that adam and even where not condemned to a lake of fire, but to return to the dust they were made out from.

those that died in the flood were not dumped in hell fire.

in fact the whole hell theory was never part of the old testament.

saying that hell is a literal place is like saying that there is actually animals with weird physical structures as recorded in revelations, or angels in heaven that will physically come down to earth and blow trumpets.

my dear most bible illustrations are not literal in its expressions.

The new testament made it a literal place. Most bible illustrations are not literal in its expressions according to you doesn't make you decide the ones others will take as their own literal.

You cannot cherry pick. It is Either all bible expressions are literal or all bible expressions are not literal.
Since bible did not state the ones that we will take as literal or figurative, then we can't come to a conclusion based on our assumptions and force it down peoples throats. It doesn't work that way. Life is very simple

Hairyrapunzel:


The new testament made it a literal place. Most bible illustrations are not literal in its expressions according to you doesn't make you decide the ones others will take as their own literal.

You cannot cherry pick. It is Either all bible expressions are literal or all bible expressions are not literal.
Since bible did not state the ones that we will take as literal or figurative, then we can't come to a conclusion based on our assumptions and force it down peoples throats. It doesn't work that way. Life is very simple

the boldened statement is pure fallacy.

jesus spoke in parables, and parables are not literal stories. does that make every story in the bible a parable? NO. nobody is forcing anything down anybody's throat.

new testament never made hell a literal place.

the story of Lazarus and the rich man was a parable, and should not and cannot be taken as a literal story.

because there is no way (assuming a place like hell exists) that the rich man and Lazarus will be in such close proximity to each other for them to communicate, and to the point of the rich man asking Lazarus to quench his thirst with a drop of water from his finger.

i mean if you believe that to be a literal event then am very sorry that you don't pay close attention to details.

chiedozie198100:


when God created the heavenly bodies.

You dey mind them? God gave humans Bible to tell them things relating to their physical being so HE did NOT narrate heavenly structures to man from the beginning because it's none of our business! Psalms 115:16
@ John 3:12 Jesus said i told you earthly things[visible to your sight] and you failed to grasp it,what will happen if i tell you heavenly things[that you can't SEE]
They are expecting God to tell them there is Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto in the solar system when humans have no business with those heavenly bodies!
So when God said HE created heaven,they're expecting HIM to start narating bit by bit as HE did with earthly things that they[humans] must deal with!