Maximus69:
PURGATORY Verse please!

TATIME:
No wonder their teaching has been able to yield positive fruits and also unite people of all races under one umbrella as a global family of worshipers better than what the JWs have achieved worldwide! Matthew 7:15-20, Galatians 5:22,23

Ubenedictus:
13-15

Ubenedictus:
Jesus also said, do not think i have come to bring peace to the earth but the sword, father against son, mother against daughter, a man's enemy shall be members of his house hold.

The church did create a worldwide family but it also fulfilled scripture.

TATIME:
So the same text 'Hades' has different meanings based on the judgment of the Council of Nicaea!
So all the Bible texts where Hades is mentioned could be fine-tuned to mean different things because of Jesus' illustrations of Lazarus and the rich man!
Please you need to open a theology school!

Ubenedictus:
1ST, Hades is mention in different senses in the bible, both as the general abode of the dead and a place of torment particularly in the case of the rich man.

the bible also talks abt purgatory, when it mentions purification and salvation for the imperfect believer in 1 cor 3.
Im not suprised you are naturally confused, jw can do dat 2 u

TATIME:
YES Jesus said that!
So you meant He was a confusionist, not a Prince of Peace!
If his followers can't become a global family then what did he mean by the word UNION at John 13:35, 17:23?
And what did Paul mean by oneness at 1Corinthians 1:10,Philippians 2:2?

Ubenedictus:
Now you are purposely playing dumb.

1 cor 3:15 shows us how God saves the imperfect believer...it is that process that is name purgatory.

Hades has more than one meaning in greek, thayers lexicon clearly shows that, if you didnt know that then you are the jjc.

hades can mean the repose disembodied spirits, a dark place and Jesus says the punishment of d wicked happens there.

Ubenedictus:
Then maybe u are new to christianity, Christ's followers have been united for 2000 yrs but every age a new group comes out with a new heresy, just like the arian heresy the jw believe, or a new group comes with a political intrigue, that not withstanding the church har maintained one faith in one Lord.

Maximus69:
You can lie o!
Just because you want to defend the heresy of Catholicism you're saying the same text could be rendered to mean totally contradicting states!
Even claiming that humans have DISEMBODIED spirits! Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 ,9:6-10
So where is the so call DISEMBODIED Adam now?
Which of the three Hades is Adam and Eve presently?
Because God told Adam 'from dust you're and you will return to dust' all other Bible texts afterwards correlates with that divine judgment until Jesus came teaching people by means of PARABLES! Matthew 13:10-15

Maximus69:
You love lies Sir! Because Mr Olaadegbu[the owner of this thread] will never agree that Catholics are practicing Christianity! So why are you lying that you all have maintained one faith?

Maximus69:
You can lie o!
Just because you want to defend the heresy of Catholicism you're saying the same text could be rendered to mean totally contradicting states!
Even claiming that humans have DISEMBODIED spirits! Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 ,9:6-10
So where is the so call DISEMBODIED Adam now?
Which of the three Hades is Adam and Eve presently?
Because God told Adam 'from dust you're and you will return to dust' all other Bible texts afterwards correlates with that divine judgment until Jesus came teaching people by means of PARABLES! Matthew 13:10-15

Ubenedictus:
So u dont know that humans have disembodied spirit? the bible clearly says that d dust returns to the dust while the spirit returns to God that gave it and paul tell us it will be judged for after death comes judgement and for the believer to die is gain

Ubenedictus:
this is why i hate discussing with arrogantly ignorant people. You think greek is english abi?

oya google thayers greek lexicon and check for hades, then u can come and talk about its different meanings.

OLAADEGBU:
Today two Jehovah's Witnesses came to our door.

If you don't know how to share the gospel with JW's, let me tell you what I do. I say, "There's a knife in my back. I have three minutes to live. How can I enter the Kingdom?" I asked that today, and they couldn't help me.

The biblical answer is to simply trust alone in Jesus--that everlasting life is the gift of God (see Ephesians 2:8-9).

But JW's are a "works righteousness" religion (as are all religions outside of biblical Christianity). They think that they have to DO something to earn their way into the Kingdom. They believe that, because (like most religious people) they haven't seen their sin in its true light. For that they need the moral Law (the Ten Commandments).

Think of the thief on the cross. He said that he was justly being crucified. I don't think that he was saying that Roman law was fair and just—capital punishment for theft! I think he was pointing to God's Law rather than man's. He was justly dying because he had sinned against God.

It was in that hopeless condition that he turned to Jesus and said, "Lord, remember me when you come into your Kingdom." He couldn't DO anything because his hands were nailed by the law to the cross. He couldn't go anywhere, because his feet were nailed by the law to the cross.

Neither can we do anything or go anywhere to be saved, because we too have been nailed by the Law of God as guilty, deserving death and Hell. All we can do is turn to Jesus and trust in the mercy of God. We in essence say, "Lord! remember me." And He will.

www.NoahTheMovie.com

Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 1 April 2014 at 05:00 ·

Maximus69:
Revelations 18:4 says come out of [Babylon the great]

Maximus69:
Story! Story!! Story!!! Russel may have come from Buddhism, who cares?

Maximus69:
So it's left for hard working students of the Bible like Maximus and others to make thorough investigations in order to know what really happend! Act 17:11

Maximus69:
Story! Story!! Story!!!
Russel may have come from Buddhism, who cares?
Revelations 18:4 says come out of [Babylon the great]
So for someone to abandon a religious group and join another is clearly justified in the HOLY scriptures!
What is of utmost importance now is whether the second century church committee who TRANSLATED and COMPILED the Bible made mistakes or not, mind you 'it was the Bible writers that were inspired NOT the translators' therefore they are prone to blunders! Bible scholars from far and near have made a lot of research to know why the teaching of Hellfire have totally contradicted the whole idea from the beginning of the scriptures, and God has blessed them with insight so that they're able to fish out the adulteration added to suit the thinking of the committee that did that evil work!
So it's left for hard working students of the Bible like Maximus and others to make thorough investigations in order to know what really happend! Act 17:11
While billions of lazy churchgoers like you keep leaning on what you can't correlate with the first 39 books of the Bible,simply because some greedy religious leaders are lying to you to keep you in the dark and making fortunes due to your ignorance! Romans 10:2,3 Galatians 1:14
And in a bid to keep you in the dark,they're telling you that the sacred writings is a MYSTERY so that you won't try any inquiry to find out why their teaching is incomprehensible but don't bother,you can remain in the dark Sir, we have learnt that the term 'MYSTERY' belongs to BABYLON THE GREAT! Revelations 17:5 compared to 2Thessalonians 2:7

Janosky:
JWs don't force anyone to listen or accept the message of God's kingdom.

Janosky:


Lies and baseless claims.
if Mr Ray was stabbed with a knife,that liar go fit open him mouth to yarn trash?
U and the man are liars.
You wey prefer crocodiles to come to your door than JWs to knock on your door,you dey post lies and trash.


Sofri sofri dey blow this lie.
Where did JWs tell you that belief in ten commandments is the yardstick for salvation?

JWs don't force anyone to listen or accept the message of God's kingdom.

Maximus69:
Hmmm So what is happening to Adam's spirit now?
After all you can deduce the condition of those inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah since Jesus mentioned them in Parables,but Adam was the first and foremost sinner! So where is the spirit of Adam?

brocab:
Since you find this so hard to pick up your bible to learn these simple tacks-allow me to help support your laziness by refusing to know the scriptures!!
{Genesis 2:7} Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.
{1 Corinthians 2:11} God gives human beings a spirit that, not conscious of itself, works in concert with the human brain to form the human mind, giving us the ability to understand language, writing, math, and the like. Paul explains: “For what man knows the things of a man except [by] the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except [by] the Spirit of God”
{Ecclesiastes 12:7} To answer the question, we can turn to the book of Ecclesiastes. Solomon wrote that when we die, “the spirit will return to God who gave it” So at death, one’s spirit returns to God, while the body on earth decays or is destroyed.
{James 2:26} "The body without the spirit is dead."
{Job 27:3}"The spirit of God is in my nostrils."
{1 Corinthians 15:47} The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.

OLAADEGBU:
www.livingwaters.com

"How can one witness to a Jehovah's Witness? They know so much about the bible and even revered Jesus but they don't believe that Jesus is God." Rocio Soto

I make it a habit not to try and convince a Jehovah's Witness that Jesus is God in human form. There are two reasons for this.

The first is that they have their own version of the Bible that removes references to the true nature of Jesus.

Second, when Jesus asked Peter "Who do you say that I am?" Jesus said to him that flesh and blood hadn't revealed that truth to him, but "my Father who is in Heaven." God is the one who reveals who Jesus is, so I leave that up to Him.

So you have two insurmountable hurdles if you argue doctrine with a JW. They move the goalposts, and they are spiritually blind.

The key to unlocking the door to them is to identify the real issue.

That issue is that JW's are a works righteousness religion. You can uncover this by saying, "There's a knife in my back and I have three minutes to live. What should I do to enter the Kingdom?" It's then that you will discover that they are trusting in works for their salvation rather than in the grace of God through Jesus Christ.

So you have to put them up the River Niagara without a paddle.

Strip them of their false hope. No one will be saved through good works or by being religious. The way to do that is to take them through the spiritual nature of God's Law (the Ten Commandments). Then share the biblical gospel with them--that we are saved by grace through faith alone (without works), and pray that God opens their eyes to the truth.

Once they are truly born again they will leave the Jehovah's Witnesses and become witness of Jesus Christ:

"But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and YOU SHALL BE WITNESS TO ME in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth" Acts 1:8, caps added)

If you don't know how to go through God's Law watch www.NoahTheMovie.com (1.2 million views).

Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 11 May 2014

rottennaija:


Try the suggestions on this pages, doctrine rarely works with Jws, as they believe they have a better understanding of the Bible. Which also mean to them that if you do not agree with their understanding, you lack humility

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/watchtower-scandal.php

https://jwinform.com/2016/02/02/a-question-that-works-with-jehovahs-witnesses/

https://jwinform.com/2017/07/18/why-cant-i-reach-a-jehovahs-witness/

Ubenedictus:
OF course ola's sect, is one of those that broke from the church because of another heresy.

It just happens that his heresy isnt a denial of the nature of Jesus like the arianism of the jw.

Janosky:


Rotten apostate and him rebellious "sons of korah " (Numbers16:1-35) , your excommunication from JWs was actually good riddance to rotten rubbish.

JWs don't care a bit about your online trash of lies and falsehood to malign Jehovah God and his servants.

Wetin you be if not atheist (Ps14:1.Rom3:13-17) or "return to your vomit and wallow in it"?
Slaves claiming independence & promising freedom wey they no get.
(2Peter2:14-22).

Janosky:


The wayo of the Bible translator, Erasmus is the "truth" of the Catholic church .

Ubenedictus:
Oh i remember Erasmus, he was the german translator and priest who mistakenly translated Yahweh as Jehowah and it is that same mistake jws are using till today.

as long as jw continue to us jehovah they are actually following erasmus mistake.
sorry.

Janosky:


I mean the pressure the Church placed on him to alter the 3rd edition of his Bible translation to suit Catholic belief in the Trinity even it was not in concord with the manuscript text.


If today you are not calling Christ by his actual Hebrew name (Yehoshua) but rely on the English variant of his Greek name, you are guilty of double standard and hypocrisy to have labeled the name 'Jehovah' as "mistake"

Maximus69:
Please stop this childish huloballoo and go straight to the point if you want to answer the question is 'Where is Adam PRESENTLY?'

brocab:
It would make life a little easier if you try reading your bible--Adam is with God in Spirit!
{Genesis 2:7} And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
{Genesis 3:19}God said to Adam, "By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, because from it you were taken. For you are dust and to dust you shall return"
{Ecclesiastes 12:7} “Our bodies will return to the dust of the earth, and the breath of life will go back to God, who gave it to us.”
When God receives His spirit back, our bodies return to the dust of the earth.

Janosky:


Rotten apostate and him rebellious "sons of korah " (Numbers16:1-35) , your excommunication from JWs was actually good riddance to rotten rubbish.

JWs don't care a bit about your online trash of lies and falsehood to malign Jehovah God and his servants.

Wetin you be if not atheist (Ps14:1.Rom3:13-17) or "return to your vomit and wallow in it"?
Slaves claiming independence & promising freedom wey they no get.
(2Peter2:14-22).

achorladey:


Jude 9 


But when Miʹcha·el the archangel (One of his SONS so to speak/post being Janosky) had a difference with the Devil (one of its SONS so to speak/post being rottennaija) and was disputing about Moses’ body, he (Michael) did not dare to bring a judgment against him( DEVIL) in ABUSIVE TERMS, but said: “May JEHOVAH REBUKE YOU.”


Oga Janosky tone down small, HABA even your response to rottennaija's post is a strong support to HIS argument. You have not attended to any of his post, rather you turned everything into ROTTEN APOSTATES and REBELLIOUS SONS of KORAH.

Even JESUS when he had an encounter with SATAN the FOREMOST APOSTATES as it WERE, Jesus didn't Just RAIN ABUSES on SATAN and LABEL him ROTTEN APOSTATES or REBELLIOUS SONS of JEHOVAH. Rather Jesus responded in a way that you yourself is proud of.

Anyone who had taken his time to read those cited website and there corresponding pages will see how well you CONFIRM the FEARS of JWS on so many things rottennaija highlighted and CITED.


Other Christian denominations and non denominated Christians give you free REIGN over responding to their DOCTRINES and BELIEFS even up till the extent of taking their time to equally respond to many rebuttals towards their beliefs, but here you are JUST a mention of ONE of MANY of the BELIEVES of JWS. You RAIN down ABUSE.


A look at a statement of yours captured below.....

Janosky: JWs DON'T CARE a bit about your ONLINE TRASH of LIES and FALSEHOOD to malign JEHOVAH God and his SERVANTS.

Achorladey: You have not only MALIGNED the God you serve, you have equally SHOWN that what rottennaija highlighted in what you CALLED LIES are not lies or TRASH as it were as they hit you hard therefore the outcome of your response shows you REALLY CARE.

The greatest enemy of the TRUTH is not the FALSEHOOD, in fact FALSEHOOD knows very well that in the field of COMBAT against the TRUTH, it stands no chance, that's why the FALSEHOOD always fight with its favourite WEAPON- AUTHORITY.

As it were it's your AUTHORITY( the GOVERNING BODY) that determines who is an APOSTATE and who is not, for example, you will readily eat, play, recreate with any of the members of other CHRISTIAN denominations whom your AUTHORITY TAGGED and TERM being in an APOSTATE RELIGION and TEACHES APOSTATES DOCTRINES in fact you will readily talk and preach to them freely but when it comes to a former member of JWS who had left the ORGANIZATION, the word APOSTATES and APOSTASY takes a different and added MEANING.

E get as e be, one will wonder what was God and Christ doing with the PHARISEES and SADDUCES and other religious leaders of the ISRAELITES who are confirmed members of God's " "ORGANIZATION" (so to say)back then but are RENOWNED APOSTATES as it were?

rottennaija turning his attention and activities away from the religion of JWS is not an indicator that he has ABANDONED God. His salvation is not dependent on being a JWS though. He stands or fall at the beckon of his MASTER and you know WHO that his.

Romans 3:13-17 Their throat is an open grave; they have deceived with their tongues.” “Venom of asps is behind their lips.” 14 “And their mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.” 15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood.” 16 “Ruin and misery are in their ways, 17 and they have not known the way of peace.” 18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

Can you equally apply this scripture you cited to yourself from the post of yours above.



You wouldn't want to get an analysis of this scriptures cited below as it applies to you and the Leaders of the ORGANIZATION you are a member of.

2 Peter 2: 12-14 But these men, like unreasoning animals that act on instinct and are born to be caught and destroyed, speak abusively about things of which they are ignorant. They will suffer destruction brought on by their own destructive course, 13 suffering harm as their reward for their own harmful course.They consider it pleasurable to indulge in luxurious living, even in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes who revel in their deceptive teachings while feasting together with you. 14 Their eyes are full of adultery and are unable to desist from sin, and they entice unstable ones. They have a heart trained in greed. They are accursed children.