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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:09pm On May 31, 2019 |
gensteejay: Abrahamic religion, esp Islam is horror to peaceful coexistence. Christianity and other religion in the world breeds hatred, intolerance and segregation among people. Yoruba traditional religion too have it dark side. There was human sacrifice in it in the past. Don't know if there is now, but civility and evolution has dramatically kicked that practise out of the public. I think over time, with religion evolving, it will die off naturally. And the only bud that will survive more after is spirituality. And the world will be one. 1 Like |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:14pm On May 31, 2019 |
LordReed: *smile. How would you tell a pantheist who see God in nature that God doesn't exist? |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Nobody: 5:15pm On May 31, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE:That's Otem opinion or prediction as well. And I am optimistic of that, too. |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:34pm On May 31, 2019 |
gensteejay: What is your opinion on death? That topic scares me alot. And it is fascinating too |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Nobody: 6:25pm On May 31, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE:Most of us feel that way in varying degrees. I used to fear death a lot when I was still a religionist (a Muslim). Death, as you already know, is a transitional phase to a new life. Our spirit (the real us, our consciousness) is a part of the Almighty God and never dies, and after our death on this planet, it will seek new experiences in new worlds using a new instrument (body) or get reincarnated back to this planet. Just as our existence on Earth now is basically that spirit seeking experience in the physical world using our body as a tool. After exploring life in different worlds, we will ultimately return to our real home and reunite with God. Every human, animal, and other conscious entities will experience this: Muslims, Christians, atheists, etc. The concept is what has been stolen from ancient religion/spirituality by Abrahamic religions and other religions of today and they call it different names, like Aljannah, paradise, Havana, Valhala, etc. This is the sort of ignorance and deceit in today's religions that birthed atheism and other prevailing issues. In the beginning of time, before God/the First Cause/Existence created time and space, it is said that It (God) disintegrated to form our individual spirits with the aim of seeking experiences in worlds using our bodies as tools. And ultimately, our spirits will reunite with God (go back home) after experiencing multiple lives and deaths in different worlds. These religions have abused this concept (heaven) and described it in a superficial manner as places reserved exclusively for believers of their god. Which is not true. On leaving religion, I have strived to conquer the fear of death by reading various articles and books in philosophy. In that regard, I find Otem's threads very helpful. Even though I just got to know of him about 2 years ago, his teachings about death and other life issues are quite very old since a number of philosophers, both modern and ancient ones, have explored and documented them. As I later discovered. He's a guy I have a lot of respect for. Hope his book of universal history does not get hijacked as a tool of religion. P.S.: This is entirely my opinion on death and neither is it authoritative nor perfect. I have drawn inspiration from Otem's threads, Hermetic teachings (the Kyballion), Billy0naire's threads, Jungian philosophy, and philosophy traditionally as a field. 1 Like |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 6:41pm On May 31, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE: Where in my post did I say that? |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by OtemAtum: 6:54pm On May 31, 2019 |
dizon:I am irreligious and I don't think you can come close to me in morality. My morality was so much that the muslim daughter of a client of mine was asking me how possible I was able to keep up my morality without believing in any god. I told her that I am human and I want to do what is right so that all human beings like me, including me, can enjoy the world. Haven't you seen irreligious but moral people around you yet? Watch out for them, you'll see tons of them. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 7:28pm On May 31, 2019 |
LordReed: In your words bro We hold that no god/gods have been sufficiently demonstrated to exist. That above simply means God/Gods do not exist. Correct me if I am wrong. What if you meet someone that worship Gaia (a Greek Deity), with that position you hold above, would you tell the person Gaia doesn't exist? |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 7:34pm On May 31, 2019 |
gensteejay: This is deep. Many of what you have up there correlates with Ifa philosophy on journey of life. Thanks for sharing your thought. Permit me to ask you sir...if we are here to experience, that mean our existence is infinite. Changing form after an experiences. But how come we don't recollect our experiences of the past? 1 Like |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 7:43pm On May 31, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE: If you tell me you have an elephant in your backyard and I say, ah I have not seen the elephant, am I saying the elephant does not exist? 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 8:15pm On May 31, 2019 |
LordReed: Before you can conclude you do not see Elephant there, you must be able to identify what Elephant is. Coming into conclusion without prior knowledge of what Elephant is is foolishness. Where do you have issue, you can't see Gaia, don't know what Gaia is, or hold it doesn't exist? Gaia in Ikale tribe is Aiyelala. |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by johnydon22(m): 8:32pm On May 31, 2019 |
I can't believe my own thread has left me behind 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Nobody: 8:45pm On May 31, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE: Yes, our existence is infinite because we are all body parts or aspects of the Almighty, who is infinite. According to Hermetica, all things in existence are mental images of God, who is called The All in that particular philosophy. FOLYKAZE:I can only state what I read on Otem's main thread that answers this question: He says when people die, their spirit goes to the valley of shadow of death, where their life is reviewed and they will choose whether to seek experience in a new world or reincarnation back to earth. Whichever option they choose, their consciousness will pass through the river of forgetfulness, where they will lose most memories of their past life. He shares stories of few people in history that didn't lose most of their memories or regained them through meditation and dreams. When they (remaining majority) get to back to life in the world they choose, they would occasionally get glimpses of their past life or lives in dreams, but most will not understand what they saw. He says we can recollect events in our past life through meditation. That's the most satisfactory answer I I have come across on this issue so far and it's what I feel it's the truth or close to it for now. |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 8:57pm On May 31, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE: When I or you say elephant I have a reasonable expectation of what we are referring to however with the god concepts there are so many differing definitions, it is always prudent to ask the person proposing a god to define the god. If you are proposing a Gaia, define Gaia and how we may know Gaia exists. |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Billy0naire(m): 8:57pm On May 31, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE: I think Ifa is a structured Query Platform to probe for answers from the Arkash and Parallel Realities, so it is safe to say that Ifa System is a medium for Channeling or accessing information from parallel realities and the Deep Mind called Arkash. Life is infinite, and Life exists in diverse parallel realities, which means even as we are here, there are several other worlds running simultaneous simulations, and within those simulations will be different matrix of controls. You can access these parallel realities and they are as real and even more real than this world. Real world with real people and real advance technologies, but you have to go without this body and when you return, you will wake up in this again. Spirit has to experience being everything, either as "All that there is", a phase you call God (has no name, just for you refernce here), operating at Raw or Original Consciousness, or can choose to experience life as fragments within a compartmentalized narrow band of frequency spectrum such as the one we are here now. Does not require worship, but religions designed different with different names for mind control purpose. The body is a vehicle, requires fuel just as every other physical machine, but it is of interdimensional aspect and magnetoelectric-biochemical nature, it also requires nutrition. In essence, death is just a phase of dropping the Spacesuit for Mission Earth called Physical Body, and returning to default as Quanta of Light, a ball of light that is pure and of interdimensional nature. I have experienced myself severally as this ball of light many times. I have also had a clear glimpse of the world that this present simulation is hosted, if not, at least where my physical connectivity to the machine is hosted. So do not look at the other world as some mundane scary beings kind of place, it is highly technological like what you see in Sci-Fi movies. We came from such locations, at least I know I came from a very highly advanced civilization before here, dont know about you guys. But we keep living in different locations for experiences. We have to create our clones or avatars and then we choose when we want to experience the world and inject ourselves into the world. In essence, though the fear of death is real, the purpose of awakening is to strip you of that fear so you can function optimally and partake in helping the Universe experience Life through you, because you are the Living, breathing, eating conscious aspect of the universe. You are not separate, you are it. Your consciousness is narrowed down to enable you forget what you are, and to enjoy this experience. You all must embrace Science, it is the only way to get to the top of the pyramid of knowledge, and I dare say, without the knowledge of science at its highest level, there is no level of religeous that has the language and tools to explain this existence. Our Creators are highly technological beings, and the highest level of Science and Technology is what is termed 'Spiritual', and not some mumbo jumbo that religions seem to be confused about. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Nobody: 9:01pm On May 31, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE:Did you create any threads or know informative threads on Ifa philosophy and other related things like Ori (hope you understand the particular term I meant here as the word is not accented) in Yoruba. My knowledge of that subject is not so deep. |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Nobody: 9:12pm On May 31, 2019 |
LordReed:Gaia was a goddess popular in many cultures, including Ancient Greece, Ancient Egypt, etc. and has other names such as Earthus, etc. Otem has a number of histories of her. And if you check Google, Wikipedia, you will get ample info about her. |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 9:20pm On May 31, 2019 |
gensteejay: How may we know this Gaia exists? |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by tintingz(m): 9:23pm On May 31, 2019 |
budaatum:You were an atheist longer than me, so what am I before? An astronaut? Sigh.. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by tintingz(m): 9:24pm On May 31, 2019 |
budaatum: Ok. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Nobody: 9:25pm On May 31, 2019 |
LordReed:Research and read histories about her. You may see online pictures of the shrine some of her worshippers built for her worship. Just like we research and read about the lives of philosophers like Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Carl Jung, Spinoza, who are long, long gone. Or those didn't exist at one point in history, too? |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 9:29pm On May 31, 2019 |
tintingz:All that, and the above is all you got? Don't bother going up any mountain. You will be wasting your very valuable time! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by tintingz(m): 9:33pm On May 31, 2019 |
budaatum:You spoil the show with that statement. Don't bother going up any mountain. You will be wasting your very valuable time!Oga, I've been to the mountain before, if you have a special mountain kindly refer me to that mountain. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 9:34pm On May 31, 2019 |
gensteejay: Then spiderman exists if all it takes to prove a god is a few bits of stories. Nobody is claiming any of those people exist now so unless you mean Gaia used to exist then it is not sufficient evidence to believe Gaia exists especially if you claim Gaia does things. |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by Nobody: 9:40pm On May 31, 2019 |
LordReed:Did I use the word, "exists"? I used "was". Go through my posts again. All those gods and goddesses are long, long, long gone from this planet. But they did live on earth thousands of years ago. |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 9:44pm On May 31, 2019 |
gensteejay: Ah ok. |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 9:46pm On May 31, 2019 |
tintingz:You're sounding like a person who did not study for an exam and arrived at the exam hall begging me to let you copy the work that I produced from my own study as if when you fail I will be failed too. Sorry. I don’t [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A1-13&version=NIV]owe[/url] you. 1 Like |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by tintingz(m): 9:54pm On May 31, 2019 |
budaatum:Sigh. |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by johnydon22(m): 10:45pm On May 31, 2019 |
gensteejay: So, the advanced extraterrestrial theory then? The Gods were advanced alien beings? |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:09am On Jun 01, 2019 |
LordReed: I would have defined Gaia to you if you were an ignostist. Ignosticism requires a good, non-controversial definition of god before arguing on its existence. You are but rather an atheist. According to you, We hold that no god/god have been sufficiently demonstrated to exist. Your statement indicates you know and understand concepts of God, and buttress a positive assertion that God doesn't exist. Someone asked you to read about Gaia instead of asking me unnecessary question. I have already told you what/who Gaia is. General understanding of Gaia is that in ancient Greek culture, they worship it as a deity. If you claim deity do not exist, that simply mean Gaia does exist. Isn't it? |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:16am On Jun 01, 2019 |
gensteejay: Read this thread https://www.nairaland.com/135166/ori-head#2274041 |
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:18am On Jun 01, 2019 |
gensteejay: You are a great disciple of Otem. Thanks for your input |
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