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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by gensteejay(m): 9:24pm On Jun 01
frank317:


You don't believe in big foot? U are close minded... Read about it?
Lols
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 9:34pm On Jun 01
LordReed:


The problem is I went my dear buda and saw nothing. The mountain did not smoke and a voice did not trumpet. Which is why I say I must be blind to the god. Please pray for me dear buda mayhap some kind stranger shall spit on mud and use it to heal my eyes.
Lol my Lord. You might have gone up the wrong mountain like I did many times, and without first visiting the jesustician to get a pair of jesusglasses, a direction to which I include this link, though couched in my own ignorance.

I assure you. In fact, no! Let me not bother to assume to assure you my Lord, since it appears that you already know that when the eye is ready the mud spitter would turn up to spit on mud and rub it in your eye, and you, my Lord, will see.

I cannot, myself, believe that buda prays for and preaches to my Lord!
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by emrain(m): 9:37pm On Jun 01
Nope. Religion is important. Religious practices are useful that's the only reason why it has survived so long - it is Antifragile.

Imagine a world where the weak are completely hopeless.

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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 10:02pm On Jun 01
LordReed:

The mountain did not smoke and a voice did not trumpet.
The mountain may not smoke, a voice may not trumpet, the mountain might even be a valley and the road may not lead to Damascus even, yet, when light flashes you can't miss it.

When they say, "enter into your mama belle and be born again", they mean "abandon your preconceived ideas".


Here, my Lord, I prayed for you.
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by orisa37: 10:20pm On Jun 01
No. That would be a Planet of Atheists, Athen's Dungeon, a place worse than Hell. Religion is The Light of The World.
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by frank317: 6:55am On Jun 02
budaatum:

Lol my Lord. You might have gone up the wrong mountain like I did many times, and without first visiting the jesustician to get a pair of jesusglasses, a direction to which I include this link, though couched in my own ignorance.

I assure you. In fact, no! Let me not bother to assume to assure you my Lord, since it appears that you already know that when the eye is ready the mud spitter would turn up to spit on mud and rub it in your eye, and you, my Lord, will see.

I cannot, myself, believe that buda prays for and preaches to my Lord!

Pray, do tell him where the right mountain is... Perhaps I might follow.

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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 7:05am On Jun 02
frank317:


You don't believe in big foot? U are close minded... Read about it?

LMFAO!

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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by budaatum: 7:18am On Jun 02
frank317:


Pray, do tell him where the right mountain is... Perhaps I might follow.
Lol! I'd take you up it myself, but everyone needs to find their own mountain I found. The base of it is the bible though. And it's not about believing but understanding. Imagine dumping all the evidence atheists do regarding the origin of the universe. Now consider it could be dumped for "God said, and it was". You laughing yet? Me too. I guess that's why it's harder for a camel to enter the eye of a needle.

Try reading the Bible with a view to understanding, remembering the fox and the hare stories you read as a child weren't true, literally, neither, but you learnt from reading them. And pray.

Again, lol, frank!
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by chibaby1985: 7:32am On Jun 02
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 8:42am On Jun 02
gensteejay:

Student is more appropriate. I am a student of history and an ardent seeker of knowledge.

Ok.

Spambot imprisoned me unjustly.
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 8:43am On Jun 02
HardMirror:
only ignorants reference Gaia. What is gaia when the earth is not even 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of the whole cosmos?

You actually know what God is. Your problem is what makes Earth a God. Go find that out... You aint making sense currently
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 8:53am On Jun 02
LordReed:


I gave you an illustration which you refused to answer. Lemme answer it for you. No, saying I have not seen the elephant is not the same as saying it doesn't exist. Similarly saying I have seen no clear demonstration of any god or gods is not a positive claim that no god or gods exist. Is that clear enough?

You should rather stop confusing yourself. I didn't say anywhere that not seeing elephant is same as it doesn't exist. That is a fallacy you made up. What I said is that claiming you do not see an elephant means you have prior knowledge of what an elephant is. This implies that before one can reject or deny a claim, he must be able to identify the character been discussed.

And secondly, in your words, "I have seen no clear demonstration of any god or gods" clearly exposes that you have a picture of what god or gods is at the back of your mind. Outcome of every demonstrations will be gauged by what you picture in your mind. In such case, you should tell us what your expectations are which would make you accept a thing is actually God.

LordReed:
As for definitions, it remains imperative each god claimant defines the god they claim exists because it happens that the claims have as much difference as the people who make the claims. Take gensteejay's Gaia, it no long exists on this earth so possibly it is beyond our investigation. Yours on the other hand seems to have an active presence but that's me presuming it is different so you would do well to clear that up.

The emboldened exposes another fallacy. Atheists reject existence of anything known as God. Like I said earlier, ignostism requires well defined and clearly understood definition of god As a matter of fact, you are an atheist not ignostic. An atheist knows what God already is...asking claimant to define God again is a weak attempt at hiding your shallowness.

Gensteejay viewpoint on Gaia does not contradict my claim. That some people do not worship a deity like in the past does not mean it existence has ended. For thousands of years, people worship Sol, the fact that people don't worship it today has not stopped Sun from been up there.

Adding, people worship a deity through idol. Same way soldiers honor flag which represents Nation.



LordReed:
I don't claim to be unable to understand any god concept but I also do not work in the presumption that I know the god or gods you claim to exist, it is why the question is always asked which god?

You will need to take steps back and make sure you understand your stance before putting on tag on your chest.

I told you the particular God I was referring to. I narrowed my description of Gaia to the society where it is been worshipped. I also told you what Ikale people know Gaia as. Yet you are still asking me which God.

If you don't know what God is, you shouldn't be jumping around claiming it doesn't exist.

For example... When I tell some folks there is a Cup on the table. And suddenly, you show up and tell those folks there is no cup on the table. Your claim shows that you know what a cup is.

If you don't understand what atheism is, maybe you should quit giving yourself that tag.


A language points to concept. You can't just reject the existence of God without knowing what God is and understanding the concept of God.

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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by johnydon22(m): 8:56am On Jun 02
FOLYKAZE:


You actually know what God is. Your problem is what makes Earth a God. Go find that out... You aint making sense currently
He could find out from you, couldn't he?

Why not tell him?
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:04am On Jun 02
johnydon22:
He could find out from you, couldn't he?
Why not tell him?
He doesn't appear like he want to know
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by hahn(m): 9:07am On Jun 02
gensteejay:

Did I use the word, "exists"? I used "was". Go through my posts again.

All those gods and goddesses are long, long, long gone from this planet. But they did live on earth thousands of years ago.

Where did they go to?
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by HardMirror(m): 10:37am On Jun 02
FOLYKAZE:


You actually know what God is. Your problem is what makes Earth a God. Go find that out... You aint making sense currently
if you had any sense to made you would have made it not ask me to go find out... You aint making sense currently
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by tintingz(m): 10:41am On Jun 02
malvisguy212:
and Christianity is the largest.FYI my dad is Muslim convert.
Argumentum ad populum fallacy.

The population of Muslims is not large enough even Facebook?
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by tintingz(m): 10:54am On Jun 02
emrain:
Nope. Religion is important. Religious practices are useful that's the only reason why it has survived so long - it is Antifragile.

Imagine a world where the weak are completely hopeless.
Karl Marx called it "Opium". It's understandable for religion to be useful and important to some people in this case.

Well we can find opium in other things today.
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by gensteejay(m): 11:05am On Jun 02
FOLYKAZE:


Ok.

Spambot imprisoned me unjustly.
I thought as much.
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 11:08am On Jun 02
FOLYKAZE:


You should rather stop confusing yourself. I didn't say anywhere that not seeing elephant is same as it doesn't exist. That is a fallacy you made up. What I said is that claiming you do not see an elephant means you have prior knowledge of what an elephant is. This implies that before one can reject or deny a claim, he must be able to identify the character been discussed.

And secondly, in your words, "I have seen no clear demonstration of any god or gods" clearly exposes that you have a picture of what god or gods is at the back of your mind. Outcome of every demonstrations will be gauged by what you picture in your mind. In such case, you should tell us what your expectations are which would make you accept a thing is actually God.



The emboldened exposes another fallacy. Atheists reject existence of anything known as God. Like I said earlier, ignostism requires well defined and clearly understood definition of god As a matter of fact, you are an atheist not ignostic. An atheist knows what God already is...asking claimant to define God again is a weak attempt at hiding your shallowness.

Gensteejay viewpoint on Gaia does not contradict my claim. That some people do not worship a deity like in the past does not mean it existence has ended. For thousands of years, people worship Sol, the fact that people don't worship it today has not stopped Sun from been up there.

Adding, people worship a deity through idol. Same way soldiers honor flag which represents Nation.





You will need to take steps back and make sure you understand your stance before putting on tag on your chest.

I told you the particular God I was referring to. I narrowed my description of Gaia to the society where it is been worshipped. I also told you what Ikale people know Gaia as. Yet you are still asking me which God.

If you don't know what God is, you shouldn't be jumping around claiming it doesn't exist.

For example... When I tell some folks there is a Cup on the table. And suddenly, you show up and tell those folks there is no cup on the table. Your claim shows that you know what a cup is.

If you don't understand what atheism is, maybe you should quit giving yourself that tag.


A language points to concept. You can't just reject the existence of God without knowing what God is and understanding the concept of God.

You just make it clear it is pointless engaging you because you have a preconceived idea you are arguing against and no matter what I say you'll just do your thing.

Goodluck with arguing with yourself.
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by gensteejay(m): 11:20am On Jun 02
hahn:


Where did they go to?
There are thousands of gods and goddesses that have/had been worshipped in religions in history. And there are billions of galaxies in the universe according to science, and there are much more galaxies (worlds) in the universe and parallel and alternate worlds, according to some philosophers, so those gods could be anywhere.

I don't know the actual locations.What I am sure of is that they are long, long, long gone from this tiny world of ours (Earth).
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by sonmvayina(m): 11:31am On Jun 02
I think you have to divorce the personal from the general, on a personal level I have no use for any religion & I think that religion is retarding the progress of the human race, however, on a general level, I would have to be very arrogant not to recognise that religion still means an awful lot to an an awful lot of, otherwise intelligent, people, since earliest times, we, ad a species, have appeared to need to believe in something outside of ourselves, I will never understand that need, but then again, I don't have to.
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by emrain(m): 12:29pm On Jun 02
tintingz:
Karl Marx called it "Opium". It's understandable for religion to be useful and important to some people in this case.

Well we can find opium in other things today.

Religion* is beyond the ”opium of the masses”. It is more of a tested and (was trusted) constitution that was very effective in preserving humanity.

The moment you understand religion is beyond the church, offerings and (heaven/hell), you will begin to appreciate its usefulness.

The world is rapidly moving away from ancient wisdom to nothingness, I hope people realize this sooner than later.

*Due to my limited knowledge of other religion, I'll focus on Christianity.

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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by hahn(m): 12:43pm On Jun 02
gensteejay:

There are thousands of gods and goddesses that have/had been worshipped in religions in history. And there are billions of galaxies in the universe according to science, and there are much more galaxies (worlds) in the universe and parallel and alternate worlds, according to some philosophers, so those gods could be anywhere.

I don't know the actual locations.What I am sure of is that they are long, long, long gone from this tiny world of ours (Earth).

Do you have proof of this?
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by gensteejay(m): 12:48pm On Jun 02
hahn:


Do you have proof of this?
Of what, specifically?

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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by hahn(m): 12:55pm On Jun 02
gensteejay:

Of what, specifically?

"What I am sure of is that they are long, long, long gone from this tiny world of ours (Earth)."
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by gensteejay(m): 1:09pm On Jun 02
hahn:


"What I am sure of is that they are long, long, long gone from this tiny world of ours (Earth)."
If they were currently on this planet, I don't think there will be any atheists or non-religious folks. And the world, generally, may not be peaceful.

My knowledge of those gods and goddesses are got from their histories in books of religions (Qur'an and Bible), and few other books that predate those, related Nl threads and some websites on mythology.

The gods were giant men and women with superior physical and spiritual (scientific) abilities and designed our forefathers, just like geneticists and molecular biologists in the modern age try to create a human using different scientific techniques, which are still nascent compared with the knowledge and skills of those gods and goddesses.

That's my personal conclusion from reading the histories of different gods of religions.
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by LordReed(m): 1:16pm On Jun 02
gensteejay:

If they were currently on this planet, I don't think there will be any atheists or non-religious folks. And the world, generally, may not be peaceful.

My knowledge of those gods and goddesses are got from their histories in books of religions (Qur'an and Bible), and few other books that predate those, related Nl threads and some websites on mythology.

The gods were giant men and women with superior physical and spiritual (scientific) abilities and designed our forefathers, just like geneticists and molecular biologists in the modern age try to create a human using different scientific techniques, which are still nascent compared with the knowledge and skills of those gods and goddesses.

That's my personal conclusion from reading the histories of different gods of religions.


How do you distinguish between what is written as history and what is mere mythology? Surely not all these stories can be true because they contradict one another.
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by gensteejay(m): 1:20pm On Jun 02
LordReed:


How do you distinguish between what is written as history and what is mere mythology? Surely not all these stories can be true because they contradict one another.
I read from as many sources as possible. And also check critics of those sources and what motivates their criticism to gain an informed view.

When many people say the same or related things, their claims need to be investigated.

Reading those books demands time, obviously. So this sort of research for me is a lifelong endeavour.
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by hahn(m): 1:23pm On Jun 02
gensteejay:

If they were currently on this planet, I don't think there will be any atheists or non-religious folks. And the world, generally, may not be peaceful.

My knowledge of those gods and goddesses are got from their histories in books of religions (Qur'an and Bible), and few other books that predate those, related Nl threads and some websites on mythology.

The gods were giant men and women with superior physical and spiritual (scientific) abilities and designed our forefathers, just like geneticists and molecular biologists in the modern age try to create a human using different scientific techniques, which are still nascent compared with the knowledge and skills of those gods and goddesses.

That's my personal conclusion from reading the histories of different gods of religions.


Are there any archeological discoveries of these gods?
Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:35pm On Jun 02
LordReed:


You just make it clear it is pointless engaging you because you have a preconceived idea you are arguing against and no matter what I say you'll just do your thing.

Goodluck with arguing with yourself.

And you make a mistake if you think I am arguing with you. If your purpose of engaging me is to argue, win an argument from going into an endless circle, you picked the wrong person. You are been schooled and should learn.

You called yourself an atheist but lack full understanding of what atheism is. I believe many of you guys choose the atheist tag because it makes you feel more intelligent. Phew!

You need to know if you do not know before that atheists are people who do not believe in God. That is the simplest definition anyone can have.. Before arriving at atheism, one must have knowledge about God. This brought to two type of atheism we have out there.

Gnostic or strong atheism: The person who belong to this category of atheism do not believe in God because he knows there are no God. This is where the positive assertion show up because it is a form of atheism that assert God does not exist. When you are cornered to prove your assertion, you will run to another form of atheism.

Agnostic or weak atheism: The person who belong to this category of atheism do not believe in any of the God presented, but cannot rule out that some form of God does or does not exist. This form of atheism does not assert there is no God.. It is negative. People that can be categorized into these form atheism are adults who have never heard of the concept of God, and those adults who have not given the idea any real consideration. Also included are agnostics who assert they do not believe in any deities (agnostics thinks God cannot be known) , and children. Many of you take solace in this form of atheism. But when you are drilled further, you resort to rants and fallacy.


All in all, atheism requires knowledge of a god or gods, since to not believe in thing, you have to be aware of that thing. It doesn't make sense to tell me there is no Elephant in my backyard when you don't know what Elephant is.

Carl Sagan said "The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying… it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity."

This above implies that Sagan concluded logically that if God is redefined as physical law that govern the universe, we can agree that such God does indeed exist.


Due to pride in ignorance, you and your likes refuse to see nature as God even when history have justified Gods are natural forces and elements found in nature. You probably hate the word God....if you tell me that, I will understand.

Years back, people worship planet earth as Gaia. Since Earth is Gaia, and Earth exist, it proves that Gaia indeed exist.

Sol is an ancient God which represents Sun. Since sun exist today, one can logically argue that Sol exist.

Many religion in the world is founded on natural pantheism. The world hold to see nature as a divinity. When you claim divinity doesnot exist, it implies nature does not exist which makes you lot appear like a fool.


Energy has all the Omni attribute of a God.

Energy is infinite, has no beginning or end. God is the Alpha and omega.

Energy is everywhere. God is omnipresent

Energy is all powerful. God is omnipotent

Energy was not created and cannot be destroyed. God is immortal.

Sounds, emotion and sentience are formed by energy.




You and lot of your fellows are atheists to monotheism, just like Christians are atheists to Zeus or Baal. It is foolishness to hold fast onto atheism when other concepts of God are presented

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Re: Would You Prefer A World Where Religion Don't Exist At All? by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:48pm On Jun 02
HardMirror:
if you had any sense to made you would have made it not ask me to go find out... You aint making sense currently

Try harder.... Still not making sense.

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