Power is back on.

femi4:
just shut it! Those that having been paying didn't have light to show for it. You are part of the problem of this Country, pampering poor policy execution

Only in Nigeria, increament is not synonymous to availability

Stop sweating yourself on the Old fashioned brainless braindead deadbeat wicked narcissist. His likes are the nuisance who are at the corridors of power. You'll see them wearing Agbada up & down and marrying Wives having unnecssary Fun. They reason like Foools, They are cursed not to ever do things right!!!

Fiyin007:


Ghana has a population of 30.6 million, compared to Nigeria with a population of 180million, if they can generate 5000MW of electricity despite not being a oil producing nation, then shame on Nigeria for not generating a minimum 30,000MW.

only about 2500MW is available for transmission just so u know

Toseenlove:


I've been watching u blabbing all over the thread. Although u made some sense on the Network Part but still didn't addressed It fully. And I hope u are aware the reason why the Network Investment flourished Is because There Is no Alternative. Unlike Electricity which there Is an alternative OIL And Generator "Nigeria Exclusive" I can bet my balls that If Network was a Natural Resources, We will never have a good Network until the World Ends because those Bastards would sabotage It like they are doing with electricity. The WHITES are Inventors, They think critically before they created the NETWORK unlike your mumu people who Just sit down spending "Natural Resources Stipends" The thing Is Black People are Cursed and Gullible Wicked Entities, Which You are at the Front Row Seat from your Comments, Most especially NIGERIA. If u like believe It or Not. I've seen things, and I know things most Old Fools In this Hellhole doesn't know.

Seconded..

aalangel:
Power is back on.

Acknowledged.....But be rest Assured It will soon go Off!!!

DeOTR:

In Military time format, it is 2341 hours.
It's also pronounced as such.

I didn't want to argue with him....1900hrs etc.

I worked with PHCN and that's how we reported it.

I entered substation reports and that's how we write it....I can't say whether it's right of wrong, but according to them that's the standard...

femi4:
just shut it! Those that having been paying didn't have light to show for it. You are part of the problem of this Country, pampering poor policy execution

Only in Nigeria, increament is not synonymous to availability

Do have a pleasant day too.

Monogamy:
Who else notice how Nepa took the light slowly like generator that ran out of fuel?

thought it only happened in my area oo,
too bad we wont be expecting light anytime soon....

wow, it's back...

brainhgeek:


E be like say you be NEPA.
Just for the mention, I use prepaid meter and my bills are crazy but I still recharge monthly irrespective. If you want us to talk about rights, all the power distribution companies will have more bills to pay if those who genuinely pay their bills rise against them. I can't count how many times I've had to dispose electronics because of bad power supply. I don't know how many times my wife had to throw food away because of someone's negligence. These are done without any form of apology from those concerned. The most the consumer do is to shout and keep quite.
You and I can't deny that there is corruption at the top otherwise, how come it's taking forever to fix power in Nigeria despite the zillions been pumped into that sector. Someone is definitely profiting from our national tears. How do you expect righteousness from majority of the consumers when there is no assurance of a working system even if the consumers maintain there integrity? I have not even talked about the evil thing called 'estimated bill'.
As for me, we have a long way to go if policy makers won't do their job without passing blames.

1. I've never worked for NEPA, PHCN, TCN, DISCOS or GENCOS.

2.You are suffering not because you are part of the minority who pay their bills. Majority don't pay their bills. That is why you suffer power issues.

Kanade21:

At the end of the day, the money still needs to come from the consumers...and having the states generate their electricity means that people living there are going to pay higher prices for power.

Because I doubt any state or region can afford to pay for power without charging high prices for it.(and that includes oil prodcuing states.).

It does not matter how much we rearrange the furniture...the issue of paying for power is going to be there...like the big fat elephant in the room it is...glaring at us.

Nigeria is a very peculiar nation with peculiar problems.If this is part of the solution to the lingering power generation,transmission and distribution problem we might just have to key into it.We do not have a choice because if we keep going in circles and beating round the bush we will only get quick fix which are temporary solutions to the problem and at what cost(Total and absolute collapse of the national grid). This sector is a capital intensive investment sector the problem is that there is no real will power to take the bull by the horn to invest seriously in the sector but they want to rip the benefits of the sector over night and it does not work that way.

When the going was good we should have embarked on this and now we would have been ripping the benefit of this and be making more investment plans and project execution in this area into the future but no we were going in circles,beating round the bush and refusing to tackle this issue head on.

Kanade21:


At the end of the day, the money still needs to come from the consumers...and having the states generate their electricity means that people living there are going to pay higher prices for power.

Because I doubt any state or region can afford to pay for power without charging high prices for it.(and that includes oil prodcuing states.).

It does not matter how much we rearrange the furniture...the issue of paying for power is going to be there...like the big fat elephant in the room it is...glaring at us.

Don't expect Nigerians to pay for services they never enjoyed.
The DISCOS have to invest first, then we can go from there. But expecting consumers to pay through their noses for darkness, just for the hope of enjoying constant supply of electricity (which may never happen. I think many homes are paying more than they should already, with this estimated billing shiit), it won't happen. Come to think of it, DISCOS are owned by private owners like you and I. Are they charity organizations or why are you expecting poors Nigerians to fund private businesses?
I'm aware almost all neighborhoods buy and maintain their transformers. Are they not charitable enough?

Monogamy:
Who else notice how Nepa took the light slowly like generator that ran out of fuel?

Oh! So it was like that everywhere? And I was busy thinking it was our fuse on the transformer that blew.

DeOTR:

Don't expect Nigerians to pay for services they never enjoyed.
The DISCOS have to invest first, then we can go from there. But expecting consumers to pay through their noses for darkness, just for the hope of enjoying constant supply of electricity (which may never happen. I think many homes are paying more than they should already, with this estimated billing shiit), it won't happen. Come to think of it, DISCOS are owned by private owners like you and I. Are they charity organizations or why are you expecting poors Nigerians to fund private businesses?
I'm aware almost all neighborhoods buy and maintain their transformers. Are they not charitable enough?

Then we won't have power for 24/7 for now.

We are poor. Therefore let us pay for what we can afford., not what we wish for.

We need 80000mw to have power 24/7....that's 160billion dollars for the priviledge. Plus we need 100billion to upgrade and fix the transmission capacity. But since we are poor.

Ah, but we weren't poor to pay the high prices GSM companies demanded....

Plus, banks are refusing to finance the DISCOS and GENCOS because many of us don't pay. Unlike in the GSM sector...where you cannot use a phone without paying.

fergie001:

I didn't want to argue with him....1900hrs etc.

I worked with PHCN and that's how we reported it.

I entered substation reports and that's how we write it....I can't say whether it's right of wrong, but according to them that's the standard...

You can't blame him.

sterlingD:


Nigeria is a very peculiar nation with peculiar problems.If this is part of the solution to the lingering power generation,transmission and distribution problem we might just have to key into it.We do not have a choice because if we keep going in circles and beating round the bush we will only get quick fix which are temporary solutions to the problem and at what cost(Total and absolute collapse of the national grid). This sector is a capital intensive investment sector the problem is that there is no real will power to take the bull by the horn to invest seriously in the sector but they want to rip the benefits of the sector over night and it does not work that way.

When the going was good we should have embarked on this and now we would have been ripping the benefit of this and be making more investment plans and project execution in this area into the future but no we were going in circles,beating round the bush and refusing to tackle this issue head on.

Well, I did not oppose the states generating their power.

The issue is, where is the money going to come from? Is it from the states , most of whom cannot afford to pay salaries? Or is it from restrcuturing...which would leave all the states cut off from oil money, except the South SOuth, Imo and Abia??

No matter how we look at it...at the end of the day, we cannot get power 24/7 for less than N30 per kilowatt hours.

Kanade21:


The problem with power is that we need at least $100billion to fully replace and upgrade the grid., and even more hundreds of billions to improve generation as well. Especially since the grid is in a mess. And cannot even carry the power safely.

That's why power was privatised in 2014, so as to bring in funding for the sector. The problem is, most Nigerians don't pay for the little power they use. Then the law setting up the privatisation does not allow DISCOS to set the price...driving away foreign investors (and if the govewrnment revokes the law,and prices go up, people will shout opression), the banks don;t want to lend because they know they won't see their cash, and so on.

So far, all we have is the government plan to improve generation to 11000mw...which isn't enough anyway. And to be frank, we need power at 40000 MW before we even start seeing improvements. Lagos needs 10000mw for 24 hour light.

Yes, government has failed...but, without defending APC , PDP too has no answer to the power problem. Nor do any of the parties. Even if your Atiku took over, the sector is still going to face the issues I have enumerated.

It is either Nigerians are ready to face the truth and pay for improved power...government and people, or we forget about it, and keep on using generators.

And yes, before you shout...that is how some of us used to bash PDP until 2013...when this privatisation thing came up, and some of us had to do some reading and face the harsh truth and realise the problem is beyond PDP and APC. Nigeria needs a lot of money, possibly beyond what we have to fix power. Time we faced the truth.

you are talking nonsense. How do you pass the buck so easily to the consumers when all due diligence hasn't been done to ensure that customer isn't being fleeced. Many people currently pay way above what they are consuming, where has that money gone to. Why don't we have meters so people can know their consumptions. You cannot propose an increase in tarrif to meet production costs when proper metering hasn't been done and fraud is being perpetrated.

So Mr power systems propagandist. Metering is a must first before we can even start discussing tarrif hikes.

fergie001:

I didn't want to argue with him....1900hrs etc.

I worked with PHCN and that's how we reported it.

I entered substation reports and that's how we write it....I can't say whether it's right of wrong, but according to them that's the standard...

No Wonder!!! Now I see the reason for your Ist comment up there. Nigerians never fails to disappoint. As long as u have own stomach filled up. You'll worry less or wouldn't even worry about others. You are part of the THIEVES even though u are a Little Mere Thief. Those ones with Extreme Pot Belly and Fat Heads are the ones I have serious Issues with. You, Watever It Is your position In the Shitty place, You are just an errand Tool.

Eddygourdo:
you are talking nonsense. How do you pass the buck so easily to the consumers when all due diligence hasn't been done to ensure that customer isn't being fleeced. Many people currently pay way above what they are consuming, where has that money gone to. Why don't we have meters so people can know their consumptions. You cannot propose an increase in tarrif to meet production costs when proper metering hasn't been done and fraud is being perpetrated.

So Mr power systems propagandist. Metering is a must first before we can even start discussing tarrif hikes.

If we meter everyone, we are still left with the fact that we pay less than the actual cost of power here.

How do we solve that then?

I'm not in government, I don't like APC or PDP, and I have a right to my opinons.

Kanade21:


Then we won't have power for 24/7 for now.

We are poor. Therefore let us pay for what we can afford., not what we wish for.

We need 80000mw to have power 24/7....that's 160billion dollars for the priviledge. Plus we need 100billion to upgrade and fix the transmission capacity. But since we are poor.

Ah, but we weren't poor to pay the high prices GSM companies demanded....

Plus, banks are refusing to finance the DISCOS and GENCOS because many of us don't pay. Unlike in the GSM sector...where you cannot use a phone without paying.

Don't be deceieved. Even with the little we're generating, it can still give at least, 15 hours straight.
Let the DISCOS continue with the estimated billing, the consumers will also continue paying 1/3 of the bill, since everybody no wan get sense.

DeOTR:

Don't be deceieved. Even with the little we're generating, it can still give at least, 15 hours straight.

No it won't. We are generating 4000mw for about 200million people. 6 hours self is pushing it.

Let the DISCOS continue with the estimated billing, the consumers will also continue paying 1/3 of the bill, since everybody no wan get sense.

Metering everyone is the way froward. But it still does not solve the cash flow issue.

Toseenlove:


No Wonder!!! Now I see the reason for your Ist comment up there. Nigerians never fails to disappoint. As long as u have own stomach filled up. You'll worry less or wouldn't even worry about others. You are part of the THIEVES even though u are a Little Mere Thief. Those ones with Extreme Pot Belly and Fat Heads are the ones I have serious Issues with. You, Watever It Is your position In the Shitty place, You are just an errand Tool.

You see...how Nigerians behave.
They jump into conclusions and muddle things up...
That they are corrupt isn't in doubts but they are a reflection of their society.

I worked with them as an intern.....and I earned not one naira....not even dash...So Toseenlove...I am not a thief.

Ask anybody you know have interred with phcn whether they earned a dime... Legitimate or otherwise.

Davefate:


The problem we are currently facing as a nation in the power sector is a self-caused problem.As an engineer, nothing stop us to generate minimim5000 megawatt every year but some powerful people will make sure it does not happen. We have the money, we can hire expatraite with our own engineers to generate and have well structured orgnisation that will put the nail on the coffin for black out in this country but the demons will not allow that to happen.Can you what dangote is doing in his refinery, if it federal govt doing that, it will not see the light of the day till now, my God help us oh!

You are one of the few people who still reason well In this hel.h.ole. The person u quoted are part of those people, don't let the i.d.iot deceive u. Once their stomach Is filled up, The pepperish food they ate will start getting Into their brain thus for the misfiring.

That's the more reason why we need to invest in embedded power generation. This kind of mess would not be happening if discos decide to invest in off-grid technologies

Kanade21:


If we meter everyone, we are still left with the fact that we pay less than the actual cost of power here.

How do we solve that then?

I'm not in government, I don't like APC or PDP, and I have a right to my opinons.

that's why I mentioned tarrif increase to meet the production costs , thus making it a viable investment decision for investors in the power sector. Nobody will complain about high tarrif if what he/she pays for is what he/she used. A meter will ensure people are able to mange their load needs based on their pocket and pay for only what they consume. Anything other than that is political propaganda of putting the cart before the horse. As much as I agree you have freedom of expression at least use that freedom to educate and promote equitable solutions and not political propaganda

DeOTR:

You can't blame him.

Honestly I don't, we learn everyday.

frankmoney:
only about 2500MW is available for transmission just so u know

only 3000MW is needed by Ghana

the remaining is just generation being wasted

Kanade21:


What if I told you that the problem is that the cash needed is beyond what we can raise from taxes, oil revenues, etc.

At the moment, our reserves is at 40billion dollars. We need far more than that to upgrade, and extend the grid. Someone even said we need $900billion over 15 years before we get power stable.

That's why power was privatised.

Take GSM. GSM was private from the word go. And bills were intially sky high. The GSM companies took the money we paid them....and used it to build our telephone and internet netowrk. If government's was paying for the thing....by now we would still be struggling with VSAT...and seriously limited phone network (and we won't have home internet...we would still be using cafes..and slow speed).

Problem with power privatisaiton is that people can use power without paying for it. People and government agencies don't pay their bills, and people bribe and connive with DISCO officials to steal power. And at the end of the day, we are all worse off for it.

Who are the "we". All the gsm lines in Nigeria from 2001-2003 was not up to 10m. The telcos make more profit now than they used to. High charges doesn't necessarily translate to higher revenue. Ask Lamborghini wrt ford

Toseenlove:


You are one of the few people who still reason well In this hel.h.ole. The person u quoted are part of those people, don't let the i.d.iot deceive u. Once their stomach Is filled up, The pepperish food they ate will start getting Into their brain thus for the misfiring.

Good afternoon dear, and thanks for calling me an i.d.iot, and also for assuming my stomach is filled up....such nice and true words too by the way.


And now, I bid you adieu. God bless.

DeOTR:

In Military time format, it is 2341 hours.
It's also pronounced as such.

Ok I will make more research on that

winterfell007:
That's the more reason why we need to invest in embedded power generation. This kind of mess would not be happening if discos decide to invest in off-grid technologies

Sir, you think this country riddled with corrupt persons who are in charge of generator importation will go embedded?
Hian.....

It will work...when we ban generator importation.

Kanade21:


If we meter everyone, we are still left with the fact that we pay less than the actual cost of power here.

How do we solve that then?

I'm not in government, I don't like APC or PDP, and I have a right to my opinons.

Not one is averse to increment in electricity tariffs if it will solve the age long problem of constant power failure. All we want is for the DISCOs to make prepaid meters available. That way, even if there's no light, we'll be rest assured that no one is short changing anyone. And any consumer that bypass the meter should be jailed.

But no one will make additional sacrifice of paying huge bills for darkness. It won't happen.

The consumers buy and maintain transformers from their own pockets. All the DISCOs do is bring the bills and collect money.
That's charity taken too far in my opinion.

Agboriotejoye:

Who are the "we". All the gsm lines in Nigeria from 2001-2003 was not up to 10m. The telcos make more profit now than they used to. High charges doesn't necessarily translate to higher revenue. Ask Lamborghini wrt ford

They did charge high prices, mind you. A SIM card used to cost N10000

They also were able to get loans and whatnot from banks...simply because you cannot use a phone without paying. (Unlike power, where even if metering becomes universal, people will bypass it. ...and it is that uncertainty regarding funding that is preventing power companies from accessing financing...except what little grants they can scrounge from government and donor agencies)