Macof syndrome peculiar to Niger congo bantu people

lawani:
if the man renamed oduduwa is from the Middle East because of the mention of nimrod, it does not mean the Yoruba are Semitic in origin. Not at all.

That's a big IF

The nimrod (Lamurudu) fable is a contemporary addition

kayfra:


That's a big IF

The nimrod (Lamurudu) fable is a contemporary addition

The name sticks out like a sore thumb and it is not an orisa neither is it a recent addition.

kayfra:


That's a big IF

The nimrod (Lamurudu) fable is a contemporary addition

He's from Eri Kingdom right I guess

lawani:
The name sticks out like a sore thumb and it is not an orisa neither is it a recent addition.

Nope. It's one of the contemporary and alternate additions that came in the 20th century. Samuel Johnson documented it and related it to a Muhammedan timeline. Historical Nimrod (Genesis era) is way out of that timeline.

So it's a post contact with Abrahamic faith fairytale. Cool story though but not factual.

kayfra:


Nope. It's one of the contemporary and alternate additions that came in the 20th century. Samuel Johnson documented it and related it to a Muhammedan timeline. Historical Nimrod (Genesis era) is way out of that timeline.

So it's a post contact with Abrahamic faith fairytale. Cool story though but not factual.

The man called himself a son of nimrod the same way a modern Yoruba will call himself a son of oduduwa. He was not a direct son but a descendant of nimrod. Lamurudu is not a recent addition, it is part of the oral history.

lawani:
The man called himself a son of nimrod the same way a modern Yoruba will call himself a son of oduduwa. He was not a direct son but a descendant of nimrod. Lamurudu is not a recent addition, it is part of the oral history.

Smh. In what context is Lamurudu part of yoruba oral history?
What's his oriki? Where's his altar? Or what sort of evidence do you have that Lamurudu is part of yoruba traditions

He was not a direct son but descendant, yet the story you got Lamurudu from clearly puts oduduwa as a son of Lamurudu, king of mecca
What a load of bull

lawani:
The man called himself a son of nimrod the same way a modern Yoruba will call himself a son of oduduwa. He was not a direct son but a descendant of nimrod. Lamurudu is not a recent addition, it is part of the oral history.

Let me give you basic logic. Let's assume that Nimrod fable is true. One man called Oduduwa, a descendant of Nimrod, came to Ife and met indigenous people.

1. No evidence the man imposed his imported Egyptian language on the local folks, afterall it's one dude and probably his crew against many settlements
2. It's one Oduduwa out of plenty people. One DNA from Nimrod against African DNA
3. Zero proof in DNA analysis. Zero.

How does this change our origin not being indigenous to West Africa or our language some Afro Asiatic blend?

When something sounds ridiculous, it is probably ridiculous

ZhiosonWind:
I will research about this

Alright brother.

May you have good result for your effort.

Olu317:
irrelevant post from uncultured Edo macof. I mock you

Hi bro.

Howdi?

Just checking on you. Times are hard all over the place. It's corona having the moment. May we all overcome.

Biku banpa won leworo leworo, oto loyeku yoo ma yewasi.

Ase.

kayfra:


Let me give you basic logic. Let's assume that Nimrod fable is true. One man called Oduduwa, a descendant of Nimrod, came to Ife and met indigenous people.

1. No evidence the man imposed his imported Egyptian language on the local folks, afterall it's one dude and probably his crew against many settlements
2. It's one Oduduwa out of plenty people. One DNA from Nimrod against African DNA
3. Zero proof in DNA analysis. Zero.

How does this change our origin not being indigenous to West Africa or our language some Afro Asiatic blend?

When something sounds ridiculous, it is probably ridiculous

Of course the DNA of a single man does not make much difference and he did not come from Egypt but probably somewhere in the Middle East. However, millions of Egyptians relocated to Yoruba land a few thousand years ago enough to change our vocabulary. However, Yoruba are west Africans.

macof:

Smh. In what context is Lamurudu part of yoruba oral history?
What's his oriki? Where's his altar? Or what sort of evidence do you have that Lamurudu is part of yoruba traditions

He was not a direct son but descendant, yet the story you got Lamurudu from clearly puts oduduwa as a son of Lamurudu, king of mecca
What a load of bull

The name is inside Yoruba oral history as oduduwa's father. Not an orisa because the man intentionally dropped the name as a signature. I have not heard the version of the story saying lamurudu was king of mecca and if it exists I don't believe it. We were taught the story in school and there was no mention of King of mecca in the story.

Hypnotise:

Don't say what you are not sure of

LOL

The law of unintended consequences applied on all.

It's an irrefutable truth.

With it the moles hiding their identity under the guise of "we" and "I'm Yoruba, right after my name, Yoruba is my only identity" had been exposed by this law.

Not intending your mention.

lawani:
The name is inside Yoruba oral history as oduduwa's father. Not an orisa because the man intentionally dropped the name as a signature. I have not heard the version of the story saying lamurudu was king of mecca and if it exists I don't believe it. We were taught the story in school and there was no mention of King of mecca in the story.

I keep asking you to provide the traditional source of such history since you want to believe its part of yoruba oral history


The story goes that oduduwa was a Prince of mecca
And his father was Nimrod (Lamurudu)

I think 1 + 1 should be expected to be 2 even if we weren't told

lawani:
Of course the DNA of a single man does not make much difference and he did not come from Egypt but probably somewhere in the Middle East. However, millions of Egyptians relocated to Yoruba land a few thousand years ago enough to change our vocabulary. However, Yoruba are west Africans.

Where are the records of such migration of millions of Egyptians?

macof:

Where are the records of such migration of millions of Egyptians?

Didn't you read the paper I pointed you to? It is on the strength of that paper that I assumed like the authors that such a migration from Egypt took place.

macof:

I keep asking you to provide the traditional source of such history since you want to believe its part of yoruba oral history


The story goes that oduduwa was a Prince of mecca
And his father was Nimrod (Lamurudu)

I think 1 + 1 should be expected to be 2 even if we weren't told

but you ought to know too even if you weren't told that Nimrod can't be oduduwa's direct father.

lawani:
but you ought to know too even if you weren't told that Nimrod can't be oduduwa's direct father.

That's what the story you are referencing says.

What I know is that oduduwa has no connection to nimrod, whether father or great grandfather or whatever is not the issue

macof:

That's what the story you are referencing says.

What I know is that oduduwa has no connection to nimrod, whether father or great grandfather or whatever is not the issue

The man oduduwa was apparently very intelligent. He dropped that name as a signature. If he had not dropped that name you would have won the debate easily.

lawani:
Of course the DNA of a single man does not make much difference and he did not come from Egypt but probably somewhere in the Middle East. However, millions of Egyptians relocated to Yoruba land a few thousand years ago enough to change our vocabulary. However, Yoruba are west Africans.

Millions of Egyptians relocated?

Where's the proof of that? Any archeological finds or other proven means and most especially, what solid proof ties the migration to Oduduwa the historical figure? Why did their Afro-asiatic language the millions exported jump over a wide landmass and ended up next to the ocean on the other side of the continent? How did they superimpose their language on the indigenous Yorubas?

With a migration in millions then we can guaranty a solod trail just like any other historical mass migrations except we talking ghost migrations here. Then it all fits in with Oduduwa the skylord from mecca

lawani:
This is the paper I was telling you about.http://obamaandpeace..com/2010/03/oduduwa-and-yoruba-revolution-in-world.html

kayfra. Plz open this link and read.

lawani:
kayfra. Plz open this link and read.

It's a blog. Nothing more than the opinions I read here.

kayfra:


It's a blog. Nothing more than the opinions I read here.

its a peer reviewed work published on a blog

macof:

I keep asking you to provide the traditional source of such history since you want to believe its part of yoruba oral history


The story goes that oduduwa was a Prince of mecca
And his father was Nimrod (Lamurudu)

I think 1 + 1 should be expected to be 2 even if we weren't told

Useless macof his bent on merging us with cannibals .... i told you middle east is as closer to us as bornu you think middle east is far you fail to realize yorubas are well known and documented ancient travelers , we have ancient yoruba settlement in sudan and gambia , mali likewise the hausa too ...Make research on yoruba closest neighbors bariba beri beri also make research on ancient egyptian kingdom of yam. who are the hausa and fulani ..Even igala claim egypt migration.. ife man will never reject middle east claim what they will disagree is direction of migration ..we believe we are the source

lawani:
its a peer reviewed work published on a blog

Peer reviewed work has it's place. If you provide the main link to the institution backing the work then I'd jump on it. Outside of that, it's not more than an imaginative write up

lawani:
The man oduduwa was apparently very intelligent. He dropped that name as a signature. If he had not dropped that name you would have won the debate easily.

and how can you know he dropped the name when the story you got the idea from has discrepancies that even you notice instantly

I've asked you for prove of the Yoruba traditions giving authenticity to "Lamurudu". So far we can conclude that there's none

lawani:
Didn't you read the paper I pointed you to? It is on the strength of that paper that I assumed like the authors that such a migration from Egypt took place.

I just did and there's nothing written in the blog that I've not heard/read before
However, the article is just expressing the writers fascination and opinions and not actually stating facts
And the article is in many points incoherent and goes off point and jumps to another point.

Is the article talking about Yoruba, Itsekiri as separate from but related to Yoruba, or Nigerian ethnicities in general?

But this statement is probably the main point that is relevant to what you are saying

Many traditions point to a fact that an alien group (Egyptians) immigrated to Yoruba land and mixed with the original population. Many oral traditions are replete with these stories. The Awujale of Ijebu land has shown that the Ijebus are descended from ancient Nubia (a colony of Egypt). He was able to use the evidence of language, body, scarification, coronation rituals that are similar to Nubians’ etc, to show that the Ijebus are descendants of the Nubians

Since the Nubians were descended or colonized by the Egyptians, the Ijebu, and by extension, all Yoruba customs, derived from the Egyptian. Many traditional Yorubas have always claimed Egypt as their place of original abode.

Now let's examine this
1. Many traditions? Traditions from where? How do the traditions point to Egypt migration?
2. Awujale 's statement was that Ijebu originate from Waddai not Nubia. The people of waddai sultanate were not Nubians
3. Well, Egypt was also a colony of nubia (Kingdom of Kush to be precise). So being a one time colony doesn't mean that you refer to this fact everytime
It appears to me like the writer just found an opportunity to squeeze Egypt in
4. Awujale was not able to give any damn evidence. The whole "Ijebu are from waddai" narrative holds no water, not in anyway
5. Nubians descended from Egypt? Lmao
Quite the opposite as most pre-dynastic Egyptians migrated from further south and the oldest Egyptian province Ta-seti was actually a nubian cultural and linguist area
6. Even if we say oh ok ijebu came from Egypt, how does that by extension mean all Yoruba subgroups came from Egypt
7. Traditional yorubas have always claimed Egypt as place of origin. Lmao what is the Yoruba name for Egypt again?

You see how ignorance breeds more ignorance and just leads before far astray

@lawani

Here's another excerpt from the blog

On the possible eastern origin of the Yorubas, Tariqh Sawandi says: “The Yoruba history begins with the migration of an east African population across the trans-African route leading from Mid-Nile river area to the Mid-Niger. Archaeologists, according to M. Omolewa, inform us that the Nigerian region was inhabited more than forty thousand years ago, or as far back as 65,000BC. During this period, the Nok culture occupied the region.

Come on..
I don't know how much or how little you know about history and if you understand timeliness and chronology but come on
65,000 BC the Nok culture occupied Nigeria? Wtf!

And so many times people think too far and too much of this "East"
First of all, Yoruba traditions do not talk of an Eastern origin. It rather speaks of oduduwa coming from the east to settle in Ilé-Ifẹ̀
There's a difference there

Secondly, oduduwa coming from the east is in reference to Òkè-Ọ̀rà (east of Ilé-Ifẹ̀) before we start looking at China and Japan

macof:
@lawani

Here's another excerpt from the blog



Come on..
I don't know how much or how little you know about history and if you understand timeliness and chronology but come on
65,000 BC the Nok culture occupied Nigeria? Wtf!

And so many times people think too far and too much of this "East"
First of all, Yoruba traditions do not talk of an Eastern origin. It rather speaks of oduduwa coming from the east to settle in Ilé-Ifẹ̀
There's a difference there

Secondly, oduduwa coming from the east is in reference to Òkè-Ọ̀rà (east of Ilé-Ifẹ̀) before we start looking at China and Japan

I knew the blog will be full of sh!t. Didn't even bother to read it. I thought he had a peer reviewed document or something written with serious research behind it.

Same ole mumbo jumbo with Nok culture moving BCs like Cayotte chasing the road runner

kayfra:


I knew the blog will be full of sh!t. Didn't even bother to read it. I thought he had a peer reviewed document or something written with serious research behind it.

Same ole mumbo jumbo with Nok culture moving BCs like Cayotte chasing the road runner

I don't agree with many things in the blog but the similarity between kemitic Egyptian and Yoruba languages as highlighted in the paper made me believe the migration story. In the paper, there is a list of hundred words that mean the same thing in Yoruba and kemitic Egyptian.

lawani:
I don't agree with many things in the blog but the similarity between kemitic Egyptian and Yoruba languages as highlighted in the paper made me believe the migration story. In the paper, there is a list of hundred words that mean the same thing in Yoruba and kemitic Egyptian.

Beyond words, all aspects of living in Yoruba has symmetry with styles and features of life in Afro-Asia.

You dont have to prove anything on the forum. You deposit your theories and hope people with interest will give it a befitting analysis, for and against.

By exploring, you are exhibiting innate capacities of the mind to formulate and concretize what had not before thought possible outside of abstract imagination...and you therefore develop potential to be a teacher and awakener of mankind.

Be confident in yourself, you stand in their way...you control the conversation and the theme. You spike their blood with your novel hypothesis and wide ranging ideas...let them hold you still if they can. They cannot.

MetaPhysical:


Beyond words, all aspects of living in Yoruba has symmetry with styles and features of life in Afro-Asia.

You dont have to prove anything on the forum. You deposit your theories and hope people with interest will give it a befitting analysis, for and against.

By exploring, you are exhibiting innate capacities of the mind to formulate and concretize what had not before thought possible outside of abstract imagination...and you therefore develop potential to be a teacher and awakener of mankind.

Be confident in yourself, you stand in their way...you control the conversation and the theme. You spike their blood with your novel hypothesis and wide ranging ideas...let them hold you still if they can. They cannot.

When you make a claim it is only expected that you should be able to defend it
And precisely what you are saying here... Others with interest analysing your claim is exactly what you don't want when you can't defend your claim

Self confidence and self delusion should never be mistaken for each other. If you remain adamant on a claim that has been debunked before it even lands for inconsistencies and discrepancies you are deluding yourself and cannot move forward in the subject in question
That is exactly your condition