Maximus69:

It's not a must!
He only has a gift for those who wants to continue being his friends, others are free to choose their course in life. He is not a bully so he's cool with his gift!

I doubt if you fully grasp his judicial decisions! Don't think it's what the misinformed churchgoers are carrying up and down!

He can help us to understand what is happening around us. When we see people behave like animals, greedy and irrational. We begin to wonder "what is wrong with their brains?" So God's word will help us to know what is causing all of that.

He is organizing future inhabitants of a peaceful earth and training them on how to live as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally. You too may like to know them, and i'm sure you'll be moved to join them after seeing what God has done with them.

He plans to renovate the earth, to stop time (oldage and death), put things in order (no more natural disaster), and also to Create new things that will make life enjoyable forever for the benefit of his loyal friends!

iamdannyfc:

What will happen to those who choose their course in life?

Misinformed churchgoer!
His judicial decisions is in the bible for everybody to see even most churchgoer don't read this deeds. God's word?
If you mean bible as the God's word i think it has done poorly so far.

Why did you think we should choose God's word( i.e bible) instead of neuroscience and psychology to help us understand what is happening around us. When we see people behave like animals, greedy and irrational and begin to wonder "what is wrong with their brains?" after seeing the work of God's word in salem, Trier ,Fulda , On oncubi and Succubi e.t.c?

Hmn! This is enticing,so how can i know i'm not making the wrong decision because their are thousands of other stories like that.
Their stories also look like a comforting hypnotherapy to shy away from the current problem of this world.
It seem interesting, i just want to be absolutely sure i'm making the right decision

Maximus69:

Nothing at all.
You're alive for now, you will live in the midst of people who are wicked and heartless, you will experience natural disasters directly or indirectly, you will grow old get sick and oldage will eventually lead to your death just like every other human you are seeing now. But there is going to be a reward (gift) for God's friends, because he wants to continue seeing them forever, he will raise them from the dead and give them the antidote of oldage, sickness and death, so that they can continue living as youths forever!

Well you say "i think" because you've not met the true Christians, so i understood you because i've been in your shoes before!

You can see literally but if not guided you won't notice certain things that are noteworthy.

FAITH has been described as the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld {Hebrew 11:1} Today you and i are enjoying some things because humans like you and i BELIEVE in what they've never seen before, they worked hard as they keep seeing things that their contemporaries never saw coming. Now you and i can talk with someone in America, watch him life, move from one part of the planet to another within few hours, save as in preserve raw food for months in freezers. All these would sound IMPOSSIBLE to someone living on this same planet 200 year ago!
Those are the things humans with vision saw and today it has become a reality.

God who created those people who envisaged this now promised something far much greater.
YES! I believe in his words because he didn't just promised to make the earth a Paradise, i'm now seeing it working out, as Jehovah's Witnesses (the one and only true Christian group) have eradicated Racism, Politics, Military and some other harmful thoughts in their midst, they're forming one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally.
If their God now said "don't worry about those ignoring my warnings, they're having their time which is just a taste of what you will enjoy forever, i will wipe them out from the surface of the ground so that you (my friends) can live in peace" Psalms 37:7-11

Of course i believe him!

That's what FAITH means!

Kobojunkie:
They know! Everyone has the capacity to think and process information for themselves.
It is no valid excuse to simply pretend that since a belief is thousands of years old, it is then thousands of years valid.

IMAliyu:

I would disagree.
They don't know. They think in there own minds that they are correct and what they believe and are doing is the right thing. (If you've been religious or with religious people before you'd know this)
And religion has a lot of psychological tricks (like praying into the instinctual fear of the unknown and death) to keep you locked in.
To actually think these things through you have to be a highly open or skeptical person. Else most people are naturally conformist, they adopt the identity, traditions and beliefs given to them and they will defend those things blindly, most of the time.

iamdannyfc:

iamdannyfc:

Well there is no evidence for all you've said except from God's word(bible).
Now, my question is "can we trust that God's word(bible)"?

True christians? Thats fallacious!.
Even if their anything like true christian, the underlaying principles you are giving now does not go inline with christianity.
So we can say your doctrine is not christianity like therefore you are not a true christian.

Is that the reason for the failure of God's word to help us know the cause of things happening around us?
Ok,what are the things that are noteworthy, i want to be guided

Well i don't have any problem with having faith.
Ok, you said "FAITH has been described as the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld".
Now, my question is "what should happen to this faith when we behold an evidence in reality and it is not in support of what we hope for?"

Hmn! How did you know that the book you are quoting is infallible,truthful, and the word of that God?
Can we trust that God's word?

Xmuslim:


You can never conclude in a discussion with a jehovah witness. But continue with him, I'm enjoying the back and forth.

Maximus69:


He is asking a reason for my strong faith, and i am responding without imposing my beliefs on him.
I'm not pestering him to believe my God neither is he telling me to forgo my faith, so keep following the friendly chat!

Xmuslim:
yeah. Thumbs up for you this time

Xmuslim:
yeah. Thumbs up for you this time

Maximus69:

You only need evidence when there is lack of trust, today no one needs evidence from people who are boarding a flight to America when they're moving towards the plane.
Because people are used to traveling by air already. So it's you that has not been dealing with our God that needs such evidence, we have lots of it. If only you're willing to know.

Well it's because you're used to the fake and their lies so if you now meet the real even the truth will sound strange to you!

God's word promised a time when monarchy will loose it's grip on power, and people will start to decide by themselves who will rule over them. During the time Daniel was penning down those words, Nebuchadnezzar was king in Babylon and nobody has heard of such a system of rulership before then, not until our time when we now have DEMOCRACY government of the people by the people and for the people! Daniel 2:44
Even Daniel who penned it down was so confused that he asked God "what is the meaning of all these?" But God replied "this message is not for you nor your contemporaries, it's for my servants in the last days, many will read this message but will never get the sense of it but i'll equip my own servants with the spirit of wisdom so that they'll grasp it, as for you o Daniel, go in peace, you will die but i will remember you when the reward for my servants are ready and you will be awakened from among the dead to get your own share!" Daniel 12:8-13

You can't grasp how it feels to see something that others around you aren't seeing working out perfectly. My friend, it will always move you into talking to them at least to help them see it. Everything that God promised us is happening exactly as he said, most have taken place in time past, some are happening presently so there is no doubt in the heart of his faithful friends!

Well Jehovah promised that at a time when people are becoming difficult to deal with {2Timothy 3:1-5} his own servants will be busy washing away all the traits of evil in their hearts. They will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {Isaiah 2:2-4} and they will love one another just like blood relations {John 13:34-35} today you can't travel to any land where there is no relation of yours and even if there is, you need money for him/her to welcome you hospitably. Yet if the money with you is entizing your life is not safe even in the hands of your relation talkless those who don't know you.
But i will follow you to your own village and will be treated as if i'm in my own house without much money, all i just need is locate my spiritual family (Jehovah's Witnesses) period! Mark 10:29-30
So if it's about trust, that has been settled!

Xmuslim:


You can never conclude in a discussion with a jehovah witness. But continue with him, I'm enjoying the back and forth.

iamdannyfc:
Well, if Wilbur and Orville wright did not show us evidence that plane can fly, nobody will believe not to talk of trust them.
They are not the first person to work on it, even leonardo davinci( a polymath) failed.
So why should we believe the brothers without evidence that plane can fly?
So i don't believe in your opinion that "Because people are used to traveling by air already" it is an evidence that plane can fly, that's tautamount to argumentum ad populum

So this is what is noteworthy before we can see the reason why God's word fail.

JW and endtime prophecy sha.
Well according to your denomination, you predicted that the world will end in 1878,1881,1914,1918,1925,1975 and they all fail.
Can we attribute the failure to the word of God or the church?
Also you did not answer the last question,What happen to faith when we behold an evidence in reality and it is not in support of what we hope for?

Same happen in other denominations and religion too. Even in celestial(white garment church). All one have to do is locate a celestial church and he/she can live in the male/female room without paying a dime, you might even be fed. Same with buddhist in a monastry
Is this the reason why you think you God and his God's word is true,infallible cause i want to follow you but i have to be absolutely sure it is the right one else i might end up in the not-true christian hell fire, muslim hell, zoroaster's van e.t.c

iamdannyfc:

honourhim:

Do you sincerely have a hunger for righteousness? A hunger to know God and serve him in spirit and in truth?

What is this religious fanatic saying , lol.

For your info , Christianity is not the only medium through which one can believe in God, duh !!

Please don't derail this thread, take your extremism elsewhere.

iamdannyfc:

So this is what is noteworthy before we can see the reason why God's word fail.
Okay


[s]JW and endtime prophecy sha.
Well according to your denomination, you predicted that the world will end in 1878,1881,1914,1918,1925,1975 and they all fail[/s] .
Can we attribute the failure to the word of God or the church?
Also you did not answer the last question,What happen to faith when we behold an evidence in reality and it is not in support of what we hope for?

Maximus69:

You didn't get my point on this!
What i'm saying is before now can anyone who only speak with the first person who thought of it be convinced that people can travel through air?
Does their unbelief stop those who thought of it, or demoralize them from working harder to achieve it?

This is not the place where you can make the needed research, you need to be with the true Christians one on one to learn from them what exactly they're teaching face to face and by seeing how it works out!

There has never been a time they prophesied that the world will end, what they were doing is studying God's word to ascertain the unfolding of the prophecies!
There is a difference between prophesying and keeping watch for the fulfilment of prophesies.
They were acting as watchmen. In those days these watchmen stands on the watchtower day and night keeping an eye on whatever is approaching, of course they may err in declaring to those in the city what they saw from afar, but those in the city will never blame them because they know that's a sign that the watchmen are discharging their duties.
For instance, they said something will happen in 1914, most people laughed at them until the first world war came that year. Of course JWs expected something else, but it was evident that they saw something coming upon the world!
So that wasn't a prophecy Sir, but God made them like the watchmen always AWAKE on the WATCHTOWER. And we the citizens they're keeping watch for really appreciate their service!

This is not what i'm saying Sir, of course if any military man finds himself in any country during or after the war, all he needs to do is locate the army barracks in the country where he finds himself, if he's able to identify himself as a friend not foe, he will be treated hospitably.
What i'm saying is finding oneself in a place where people don't even have worship centers close to the area, a JW will feel comfortable NOT in our worship center but in the home of his brothers and sisters who have never seen him before!

DappaD:


No chief! I'll call the stricken out exaggerated words.

Jehovah's Witnesses in the past attempted to interpret already established inspired prophecies that are in the Bible. They did not invent any new prophecy. The interpretations they made were not inspired/infallible. Interpretations belong only to God(Genesis 40:8 ). Jehovah's Witnesses believe the gift of prophecy/interpretation was done away with, with the completion of the Bible and maturity of the Christians congregation in the 1st century. (1Corinthians 13:8 )
The Bible students did not grasp the real meaning of the already established prophecies laid out in the Bible. But as they continued to study, the understanding was given to them that they were certain things that would take place before the time of the end! And we are ever ready to make adjustments and not keep on clinging to old understanding! Because the light of understanding keeps getting brighter (Proverbs 4:18)

iamdannyfc:

Thanks for the contribution and for giving us the easy way out.
From your comment, i take that as the failure of the church and not the failure of God's word.
Thanks again

iamdannyfc:

Thanks for the contribution and for giving us the easy way out.
From your comment, i take that as the failure of the church and not the failure of God's word.
Thanks again

iamdannyfc:

No,
So how does it answer my comment;
Well there is no evidence for all you've said except from God's word(bible).
Now, my question is "can we trust that God's word(bible)"?

Why, are they usings things different from language and bible to convey their messages?
It seems you don't have an answer to the failure of God's word to help us know the cause of things happening around us ? So no prob

Well, this is a website documenting all Watch Tower Society failed prophecies predictions.
The church or God's word?

That's a nice gesture from the JW in this century,it is worth emulating now though this form of brotherhood also happen in early islam and i don't think they are still practising it. Kudos to you!
So how does it answer my comment;
How did you know that the book you are quoting is infallible,truthful, and the word of that God?

TATIME:


Thumps up for JEHOVAH, the God who gave his worshipers the tongue of the taught ones to speak convincingly! Isaiah 50:4, 54:17

Xmuslim:
far from your perception. How on earth would I agree with jehovah witness concept of God. I just appreciate the fact that he agreed that it's a friendly discussion.

Nevertheless, I like jehovah witness God for not willing to rost people in eternal hell

budaatum:

And history, and critical thinking, and the use of the senses science. And while we are at it, remove religion and lock it up at home. Unfortunately, we have not separated religion into its component parts because we have not evolved that far yet. So while we wait or fight to evolve, alihamdulilahi aleluya amen, because its what will get us there, funny enough.

joseph1013:
I don’t care for Odumeje at all, but I hate how he’s being portrayed in some quarters like he’s the worst thing to happen to Christianity. Most of the “men of God” you guys revere so much are not so different from him in substance.

joseph1013:
He was useless during the Augustinian plague.

He was useless during the plague of athens.

He was useless during the bubonic plague.

He was useless during slavery.

He was useless during the Spanish flu.

He was useless during world war i and ii.

He was useless during the biafra war

He is useless during covid19.

He is useless yesterday, today and forevermore. Amen.

Maximus69:

You can't trust what you don't understand!
You can't understand what repels you!
And it will always repels you if you're seeing those trusting it as fools.
So if you've seen virtuous attributes worth emulating in those trusting it, make friends with them so that you too can begin seeing reasons why they're trusting it!

Hmmmmmmmm, well people come to TV to advertise their goods and services, even when the models they're using have never liked their products for once, but on seeing someone people know advertising a product and everyone wants to look like him/her the product becomes best seller. You can only learn better by been in the midst of adherents and seeing how they handle situations otherwise you can't improve by just hearing without seeing how it's done.
God's word has not failed, globally people know Jehovah's Witnesses for our orderliness and virtuous deeds, it's the fake that you're using to judge God's word not the original!

There are over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians on this planet and JWs are standing out as the one and only true Organization of God, so out there you will hear many derogatory things about the Organization, so if you choose to believe them instead of verifying the benefits adherents are enjoying it's ok!

Because all other religions trying to imitate the LOVE JOY and PEACE permeating JWs who are practicing what is written in the book have failed just as the book said! Matthew 7:16-18

DappaD:

Stop putting words into my mouth. If you cannot read and understand what I said, your own cup of tea.