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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by haddeylium(m): 12:17am On Dec 31, 2020
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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Janosky: 12:22am On Dec 31, 2020
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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:30am On Dec 31, 2020
Guy you need to calm down for you to understand what you're reading, it's not every knee that will bow to Jesus it's only those who want to continue living! Luke 19:27
There are billions that will never bow to Jesus but they will all be destroyed! John 3:16-18

May you have PEACE! smiley

livingchrist:
At the name of Jesus every kneel must bow including your god.
So difference is clear
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:36am On Dec 31, 2020
Please my eyes escaped the highlighted o!

So your God still serve God as what o? embarassed

livingchrist:
what is this one saying, where did I say Jesus service ended here on earth? Jesus is still the high priest and mediator even in heaven so he still serve God until all things have being made subject to him and the kingdom returned back to God only then will he have accomplish all things.

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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Blabbermouth: 6:48am On Dec 31, 2020
livingchrist:
Jesus is not God, that means Jesus was created and John was lying when he said The word was God right?
Follow Jesus by prophecy, it's much more plain.
Read Deuteronomy 18:15, 18.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Blabbermouth: 6:50am On Dec 31, 2020
livingchrist:
what is this one saying, where did I say Jesus service ended here on earth? Jesus is still the high priest and mediator even in heaven so he still serve God until all things have being made subject to him and the kingdom returned back to God only then will he have accomplish all things.
Is Jesus God or Almighty God?
There's nothing "Almighty" about him if he still serves a superior.

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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:24am On Dec 31, 2020
I tire o!

Blabbermouth:

Is Jesus God or Almighty God?
There's nothing "Almighty" about him if he still serves a superior.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by L0g1C(m): 8:28am On Dec 31, 2020
Blabbermouth:

Is Jesus God or Almighty God?
There's nothing "Almighty" about him if he still serves a superior.
Jesus is not God Almighty

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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by shadeyinka(m): 11:21am On Dec 31, 2020
hayzed1090:
Real confusion is when a Christian is trying to prove trinity. Jesus as God, son of God and holy spirit.

Try and question your own write up, does it make any sense? Each paragraph negates the points you made in the previous ones
Doesn't Islam teach a form of duality of human beings?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 2:00pm On Dec 31, 2020
Janosky:


Bros , you well ?
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you no well
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 2:10pm On Dec 31, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
Guy you need to calm down for you to understand what you're reading, it's not every knee that will bow to Jesus it's only those who want to continue living! Luke 19:27
There are billions that will never bow to Jesus but they will all be destroyed! John 3:16-18

May you have PEACE! smiley


Isaiah 45:23
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Every knee bow to Jesus,
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 2:13pm On Dec 31, 2020
Blabbermouth:

Follow Jesus by prophecy, it's much more plain.
Read Deuteronomy 18:15, 18.
Those are called messianic prophecy, they are prophecy concerning Jesus which he will fulfill with his humanity
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 2:14pm On Dec 31, 2020
Blabbermouth:

Is Jesus God or Almighty God?
There's nothing "Almighty" about him if he still serves a superior.
All power in heaven and on earth is on Jesus.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:25pm On Dec 31, 2020
You're just being dogmatic about this Sir, there are billions upon billions of intelligent beings that will never bow to Jesus! it just that they will all PERISH! John 3:16

So learn to know the facts, nobody can make them bow if they choose not to that's why God is interested in the meek and humble ones Sir! Psalms 37:11; Zephaniah 2:3; Matthew 5:5 smiley

livingchrist:

Isaiah 45:23
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Every knee bow to Jesus,
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by shadeyinka(m): 2:43pm On Dec 31, 2020
livingchrist:
If this question means to ask “Is Jesus really God?” or “Is Jesus God in the flesh?” then the answer would be “Yes—Jesus is fully divine. He has all the attributes of God” (see Colossians 2:9).

However, the question could be interpreted another way, which would require a different answer. Theologically speaking, Jesus and the Father are different Persons of the Trinity. They are one in nature and essence, but they are different in personhood.

There is an ancient heresy called modalism (and a more modern variation called Oneness theology), which teaches that God does not exist in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons, but only one. According to modalism, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not three individual Persons but simply three modes of revelation: sometimes God reveals Himself as the Father, other times as the Son, and still other times as the Holy Spirit. If the question is asked, “are Jesus and God the Father the same person?” the modalist would answer “yes,” but biblical Trinitarians would answer “no.”

The doctrine of the Trinity is the best explanation for all of the biblical evidence. There is only one God, but He exists eternally as three individual Persons and has revealed Himself as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. This is different from the teaching of three individual gods because the three Persons of the Trinity are co-equal, co-eternal, interdependent, and always in complete agreement. There is one God who exists as three individual Persons. Thus, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God; however, the Father is not the same person as the Son, nor is the Son the same person as the Holy Spirit. This is sometimes complicated by the fact that God the Father is often simply called “God” in the New Testament.

The first three verses of the Gospel of John give us an idea of how this works out:

John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word . . . (We know from verse 14 that the Word is Jesus. In the beginning, He was already there.)

. . . and the Word was with God . . . (At least two Persons are in view here: one called “God” and one called “the Word.”)

. . . and the Word was God (The Word is distinct from God, yet He is also called “God.” The Word is divine in His essential nature.)

John 1:2. He was with God in the beginning (After the essential identification of the Word as God, once again the distinction is emphasized—He was with God when it all began.)

John 1:3. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made (Here, we see that the Word is actually the Creator. He made everything. In the Old Testament, we are told that God created everything—Genesis 1:1.)

It is this kind of biblical information that led to the formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity. When “God” is spoken of in the Old Testament, most people probably think of God the Father, but it would be more accurate to think of “God the Trinity.” In the New Testament, we see how each Person of the Trinity assumed different roles in the redemption of lost humanity, but the different Persons are always in complete agreement, acting as one.

Jesus is God, but Jesus (who is God the Son) is not the same Person as God the Father or God the Holy Spirit
The question is like:
Is my Body, the same as my Soul?

The answer is No even though, my Body is ME, my Soul is ME and my Spirit is still ME!
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 3:09pm On Dec 31, 2020
shadeyinka:

The question is like:
Is my Body, the same as my Soul?

The answer is No even though, my Body is ME, my Soul is ME and my Spirit is still ME!
you are absolutely right.
This is a very good analogy, Body, soul and spirit they are all me but they are not the same.

The body, soul, and spirit in this case represent the distinct centre of consciousness of God.
Unlike we humans that only have centre of consciousness, God has three making God three persons or individuals in one being or one being in three individuals.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by shadeyinka(m): 3:33pm On Dec 31, 2020
livingchrist:
you are absolutely right.
This is a very good analogy, Body, soul and spirit they are all me but they are not the same.

The body, soul, and spirit in this case represent the distinct centre of consciousness of God.
Unlike we humans that only have centre of consciousness, God has three making God three persons or individuals in one being or one being in three individuals.
You are correct.
Actually the closest illustration of Trinity I know is the Trinity of man where there seem to be a correspondence with The Father (Soul of man), the Son (Body of man) and the Holy Spirit (spirit of man).

*The Father in His capacity Wills/Decides things to be,
*The Word in His capacity Commands/Speaks the Will of the Father and
*The Holy Spirit in His capacity Powers things into existence the Spoken Word/Command of the Word which is in turn representing the WILL of the Father

No wonder, man was created as a Trinity (in the image of God)!

Shalom
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by hayzed1090: 7:46pm On Dec 31, 2020
shadeyinka:

Doesn't Islam teach a form of duality of human beings?

Is God human being?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by shadeyinka(m): 9:28pm On Dec 31, 2020
hayzed1090:


Is God human being?
God is NOT human but God became human! These are two separate things. Is anything impossible for God to do?

I asked you a question: since you can't seem to comprehend trinity, you should comprehend duality

Doesn't Islam teach a form of duality of human beings?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by hayzed1090: 9:56pm On Dec 31, 2020
shadeyinka:


[b]God is NOT human but God became human![/b]These are two separate things. Is anything impossible for God to do?

I asked you a question: since you can't seem to comprehend trinity, you should comprehend duality

Doesn't Islam teach a form of duality of human beings?

You are talking of comprehension after writing that trash... I can't possibly engage you in any discussion. You need to work on your sense of reasoning. Bye
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by shadeyinka(m): 10:17pm On Dec 31, 2020
hayzed1090:


You are talking of comprehension after writing that trash... I can't possibly engage you in any discussion. You need to work on your sense of reasoning. Bye
Trash!?
Have I disrespected you?

Do you comprehend what trinity is?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by hayzed1090: 11:16pm On Dec 31, 2020
shadeyinka:

Trash!?
Have I disrespected you?

Do you comprehend what trinity is?

I am sorry, I meant no disrespect but I don't know another word to use in qualifying the statement " GOD IS NOT HUMAN, BUT GOD CHANGED TO HUMAN"

Peace bro.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by shadeyinka(m): 7:57am On Jan 01, 2021
hayzed1090:


I am sorry, I meant no disrespect but I don't know another word to use in qualifying the statement " GOD IS NOT HUMAN, BUT GOD CHANGED TO HUMAN"

Peace bro.
I said:
God is NOT human but God became human!

I am not quoting myself: I am quoting the bible

John 1:10,12,14:
"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
… But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: …
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth."


Except there are impossibilities not contrary to His nature that God cannot do. If God can be closer to each one of us than the jargular vein on our necks, is anything impossible for God?


Let's leave that aside for now!

I asked a question!

Doesn't Islam teach a form of duality of human beings?

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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Janosky: 10:58pm On Jan 01, 2021
shadeyinka:

The question is like:
Is my Body, the same as my Soul?

The answer is No even though, my Body is ME, my Soul is ME and my Spirit is still ME!

Genesis 2:7
One day the Eternal God scooped dirt out of the ground, sculpted it into the shape we call human, breathed the breath that gives life into the nostrils of the human, and the human became a living soul.

God's Breath of life + dust sculpted into human form= living soul/person/creature/body.

Bros , do you know man more than Yahweh?
grin grin cheesy cheesy
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by shadeyinka(m): 3:34am On Jan 02, 2021
Janosky:


Genesis 2:7
One day the Eternal God scooped dirt out of the ground, sculpted it into the shape we call human, breathed the breath that gives life into the nostrils of the human, and the human became a living soul.

God's Breath of life + dust sculpted into human form= living soul/person/creature/body.

Bros , do you know man more than Yahweh?
grin grin cheesy cheesy
What is God's Breath of life?
Is it oxygen?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:08am On Jan 02, 2021
The same active force God blew into Adam's nostril in the beginning {Genesis 2:7} this force is to sustain Adam's breath as long as he lives but at death the force returns to God who gave it! Job 27:3; Psalms 104:29; Ecclesiastes 12:7

May you have PEACE! smiley


shadeyinka:

What is God's Breath of life?
Is it oxygen?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by shadeyinka(m): 10:20am On Jan 02, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
The same active force God blew into Adam's nostril in the beginning {Genesis 2:7} this force is to sustain Adam's breath as long as he lives but at death the force returns to God who gave it! Job 27:3; Psalms 104:29; Ecclesiastes 12:7

May you have PEACE! smiley


You've not answered the question!

What is that breath that was blown into Adams nostrils?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:37am On Jan 02, 2021
You just keep asking questions, what do you say about the breath? After all it's written in all Bible versions and both of us can say something about it so tell the forum what you know and allow the audience learn from you.
It's time you stop this attitude of asking questions to know where you're going to pitch your tent from the comment of others.
Present your own understanding on the topic.
God breath into Adam's nostril and he became a living person {Genesis 2:7} at death the spirit returns to God who gave it and Adam (man) return to dust from where God formed him! Genesis 2:17; Ecclesiastes 12:7

So present your own explanation Sir What is that breath that was blown into Adam's nostril?
Nobody will flog you, just say what you know even if it doesn't come from ECWA Church! cheesy

shadeyinka:

You've not answered the question!
What is that breath that was blown into Adams nostrils?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by shadeyinka(m): 10:44am On Jan 02, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
You just keep asking questions, what do you say about the breath? After all it's written in all Bible versions and both of us can say something about it so tell the forum what you know and allow the audience learn from you.
It's time you stop this attitude of asking questions to know where you're going to pitch your tent from the comment of others.
Present your own understanding on the topic.
God breath into Adam's nostril and he became a living person {Genesis 2:7} at death the spirit returns to God who gave it and Adam (man) return to dust from where God formed him! Genesis 2:17; Ecclesiastes 12:7

So present your own explanation Sir What is that breath that was blown into Adam's nostril?
Nobody will flog you, just say what you know even if it doesn't come from ECWA Church! cheesy

I asked a question!
Instead of responding to the question, you quoted scriptures having nothing to do with the question.

What was that breath that was blown into Adam's nostril? Was it oxygen?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:51am On Jan 02, 2021
A true Christian will use God's word to set matters straight {2Timothy 3:16-17} since you say what i quoted has nothing to do with the question, why not present the answer for the benefit of others following the thread? Why must you keep waiting for answer if you're truly convinced i don't have it! cheesy

shadeyinka:

I asked a question!
Instead of responding to the question, [highlight[you quoted scriptures having nothing to do with the question[/highlight].

What was that breath that was blown into Adam's nostril? Was it oxygen?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by shadeyinka(m): 11:55am On Jan 02, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
A true Christian will use God's word to set matters straight {2Timothy 3:16-17} since you say what i quoted has nothing to do with the question, why not present the answer for the benefit of others following the thread? Why must you keep waiting for answer if you're truly convinced i don't have it! cheesy

Four legs good, two legs bad!
We know your crew!
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:04pm On Jan 02, 2021
OK your own answer is in George Howell's Animal Farm shey?
No wahala! grin

shadeyinka:

Four legs good, two legs bad!
We know your crew!

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