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Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by Kobojunkie: 12:59pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
1Sharon:I can also claim to know that a majority of Christians do not in fact call God Jesus Christ. So where does that leave us? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 1:02pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: 1Sharon: Here is my initial comment to you, where did I claim to know anything? Do majority of Christians believ god's name is Jesus Christ, yes or no? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by Kobojunkie: 1:16pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
1Sharon:According to the book that the Christians believe contain the words of their God, God's name is in fact not Jesus Christ. So no, Christians do not all God Jesus Christ. Also, Christianity has never been a belief based on the views of a majority so I fail to see the meaning in your second question there. |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 1:24pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: I never said all, I said majority. Now do majority of Christians believe God's name is Jesus yes or no? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by Kobojunkie: 1:27pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
1Sharon:I never said anything about all either. And I still dont see what your views of your so-called majority of Christians has to do with any of this. |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 1:33pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Kobojunkie: Now, do majority of Christians believe God's name is Jesus yes or no? And will many of them come in here and disagree with your comment? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by Kobojunkie: 1:42pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
1Sharon:My mistake there about the use of the word "All" there. Now that still does not make meaningful your question about what majority of Christians call God or not since the name of God(if it exists) should exist independent of the views of a majority. |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 1:46pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Liar. And what is the name of God and why don't majority agree with you? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by Kobojunkie: 1:47pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
1Sharon: I am a liar for stating an obvious fact about the Christian belief? Interesting... Kobojunkie: |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 1:49pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: So his name in the OT is Yahweh and in the NT is Jesus? Aren't Yahweh and Jesus supposed to be the same ? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by Kobojunkie: 1:52pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
1Sharon:in addition, ... Kobojunkie: |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by budaatum: 2:04pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
1Sharon: Supposed, according to whom? Was Jesus praying to himself when he prayed, or did you just not bother to read the book yourself and are accepting what some people tell you? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by shadeyinka(m): 2:09pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
budaatum:Okay! budaatum:I think we can agree that knowlege is on a general note in this world of several constraints is never complete. However a secondary school mathematics students may be knowledgeable with respect to his peers but completely ignorant when you compare him with the knowlege of the professor of mathematics. In this sense, the knowlege of the mathematics student is relative to the standard of comparison. budaatum:No sir! Humans are locked in the physical/visible space. Try as they might, their senses are locked within this frame. A few humans herein referred to as "fathers" were able to leave the physical space and connect with the spiritual dimension (The Father's are People like Abraham, Moses, Elijah and Jesus). These Fathers have come back to tell us not to be locked within our physical space and not only told us about the world beyond but to free ourselves from the limitations of the physical reality. Unfortunately, few of those who dared to explore the spiritual realm got to the ultimate of having their hurting eyes adjust to the brightness of the sun. Many came back with a distorted view of the spiritual world. Many also (without leaving the prison of the physical reality) just believe without finding out by themselves. The truth is that the Father's aim is not that we may believe them BUT that we venture out to see what they have seen with their "eyes". Jesus in particular has come to how us HOW to venture out to reach the final destination of KNOWING God by ourselves. budaatum:The tree of the knowledge of good and evil isn't knowledge. It is an exam that confers independence in decision of what is good or evil at the exclusion of God. There is nothing positive with failing this exam for it robs you of your core essence of being a spiritual Being. You become just an intelligent animal. But as a god, you have an innate capacity to decide what is good or what is evil unfortunately with a corrupted operating system! budaatum:I have not assumed that knowlege and information are the same thing. Knowlege is the ability to store, recall and apply information. Information is just processed data or the conclusions from datasets. Whenever an information is INCOMPLETE, it results to an INCOMPLETE knowlege. An incomplete knowledge is usually because the information (conclusions {or understanding} from a dataset is incomplete) God planted the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden, why does He want people to remain in ignorance? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 2:26pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
budaatum: According to Christians. Take it up with them not me. |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 2:47pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
budaatum: According to Christians. Don't act dumb. |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 3:37pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Lying about using a word and claiming not to What obvious fact? Majority of Christians will NOT agree with you. |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by budaatum: 3:50pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
1Sharon: Christians do not all believe the same things as you'd know if you are not dumb. You will find them arguing in many threads here if you bothered to check, which is why I strongly suggest you read the book yourself to know what is written in it instead of relying on the misunderstanding of those who might not have read it. |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 4:07pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
budaatum: Majority of Christians believe the same things. Only a small sect of Christians don't believe God and Jesus are the same. And how well are those ones accepted? Misunderstanding? Let me guess, you're the special chosen one with divine understanding right? And all other are unfortunate and lost right? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by budaatum: 4:11pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
1Sharon: Do the majority dictate what is written in the book? Did you read inside it yourself that Jesus is God? Does one need to be a special one to use ones own eyes and brain? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 4:15pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
budaatum: I'm not a Christian. Majority of Christians believe that Jesus is god, you take that question up with them. You feel you know better, tell them. I'm reiterating what is believed. |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by budaatum: 4:33pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
1Sharon: If I wanted to discuss Christian beliefs I would find a Christian who believes it to discuss it with. What I am however discussing here is what 1Sharon believes or knows or understands, and if 1Sharon would oblige me by speaking for herself, I would more than appreciate it especially if 1Sharon is not just spreading the ignorance of others. So, I ask. Are you parroting what you have been told to believe or what you read in the book and know for yourself? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 4:53pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
budaatum: In that case, stop mentioning me and go ahead talk to your fellow Christians. Cos we have done nothing but talk about Christian beliefs Ignorance of others? They would also call you ignorant, even an apostate. ,'What I have been told to believe or read and know in a book myself'? I just told you I'm not a Christian, why ask me that dumb question? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by budaatum: 5:08pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
You are not a Christian. You are just mentioning what you believe Christians believe. Got you. 1Sharon: |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 5:59pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
budaatum: Nope, I'm mentioning what I KNOW Christians believe. Majority of Christians believe God is the same as Jesus. Your views are in the minority and not widely accepted. Am I wrong or right? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by budaatum: 6:07pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
Sorry sharon, but you'd find I'm not particularly interested in beliefs since they are usually the crap that people create inside their heads, mostly without reading the book, it being a big book and rarely read by most, or misunderstood when read. Do hola though whenever you wish to discuss knowledge, like what is actually written in the book you read for yourself, as I am always interested in the views of intelligent people who read. 1Sharon: |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 6:19pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
budaatum: Well! We're on the same page. Yes I also know there's a lack of continuity between religious beliefs and the holy books. I'm coming to the levels of Christians by reiterating what they believe. What was our initial premise again? The name of God being Jesus? |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by shadeyinka(m): 10:04pm On Mar 06, 2021 |
1Sharon:Wrong! Jews call Him Yahweh Christians call Him Yahweh But Muslims call him Allah (the god) |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by 1Sharon(f): 5:40am On Mar 07, 2021 |
shadeyinka: So Christians don't call god Jesus at all |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:42am On Mar 07, 2021 |
1Sharon: You have said: Jews call him Yahweh and Christians call him jesus And I said: Jews call Him Yahweh The Word created everything -The Word was God -The Word became Human -The Human was named on Earth as Yashua (meaning Yahweh Saves) Jesus on earth was God (the Word) devoid of His Glory as God! The name of God (El-ohim, El-Shaddai, Adonai) is NOT Jesus, the name of God is Yahweh. Every other identity is a Description or Title for Yahweh! The name Jesus was given to the Messiah about 2000 years ago however, He had existed before everything: therefore the real name of God isn't Jesus, His name is Yahweh (Jesus is a nomenclature of Identity) |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by shadeyinka(m): 9:15am On May 28, 2021 |
budaatum:I do not agree entirely with this view. Yes, there are minor differences with ancient texts but until one can show complete revisions can on insinuate a corruption of the original text. Secondly, the Bible was written not as a single book but as individual books by several authors spanning many centuries which was later compiled as one book. |
Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by budaatum: 12:32pm On May 28, 2021 |
shadeyinka:I can hardly expect you to agree with what contradicts your belief. You after all do not agree that Adam and Eve too did not surely die on the day they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil despite the fact that the text clearly states that they did not surely die on the day that they ate but found it good for gaining wisdom and their eyes opened and they went on to have offspring and lived till 930 years old. shadeyinka:I once told you that a satan who can meddle in the affairs of heaven and in the Garden of Eden would find it very easy to meddle in the writing of the Bible, but I think you treated my suggestion as a thing a serpent would say. Lol if you think the vast organisation that provided the initial Bible from which we got our translations would not efficiently ensure the version they want you to get is what you got, or that the same meddling would not have been done with the Torah long before it, and even the translations long after. Or do you think Martin Luther was persecuted for the fun of it? shadeyinka: Complied and edited and with lots of books that never made it for various reasons. And discerning minds will still have noticed the various Inconsistencies and Contradictions that survived due to the fact that diverse writers were writing in different times and places with different views and opinions. Those willing to grow in wisdom and understanding will not deny the inconsistencies and contradictions, but learn the lesson they can from the fact that those Inconsistencies and Contradictions do exist, and are what make the Bible the book of treasure that it is, as it shows by its development the evolution of human thought. The error, as I repeatedly point it, is the need to believe that has been cultivated in the majority (instead of the need to reason with the brain the Lord God placed inside your head), that makes many think a Lord God Almighty would lie to you that on the day that you eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that will enable you to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth", you will surely die. The fact that satan has succeeded, for now, is indicated in how some claim a person who went on to live for 800 or so years afterwards and who was fruitful and multiplied in producing us and has replenished the earth (at least that of it we have not destroyed yet), and subdued it so it provides us with resources like energy, and who's fruitful decendants are on the way to Mars and Jupiter, surely died on the day that they ate of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil that gave them the knowledge to do all those things. Thankfully, God saw the evil humans were believing and sent the only begotten Son to teach us to acquire understanding instead, for which satan after failing at meddling with his mind, meddled with human minds so we crucified his poor ass! Yet, for God so loved the world we got the Holy Spirit to further minister to us, and [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+5%3A21&version=KJV]not using it is a grave sin[/url].
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Re: What Is The Real Name Of The Islamic God? by shadeyinka(m): 6:34pm On May 28, 2021 |
budaatum:But I wasn't totally disagreeing with you. I didn't just take your position which to me is too leftist. budaatum:No sir: I didnt! I didnt take that kind of stance. budaatum:Its not as bad as you have put it. The old testament is Jewish scripture. It will take a miracle for christians and jews to edit the old testament. Not every book in the Rabbis library are regarded as scripture such as the Maccabees but are valuable historical sources budaatum:I doubt if any of the authors of the scriptures knew that their writings will become part of the scripture. They were just writing Chronicles as they understood it for posterity. You will agree that not all theological books can be termed as scriptures even though, they may have great theological values. budaatum:It's amazing that about 26 authors of greatly varying educational qualifications, exposures, background etc could write thesis which harmonizes the knowledge of God. We should expect hundreds of gross contradictions budaatum:For you, death can only occur at the physical level. For me, death can occur both at the physical and spiritual level. budaatum:The Lamb of God was prepared from the foundation of the world that imperfect being like me can have grace for justification |
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