₦airaland Forum

Felixamos:
Please don't quote me next time.. America at its level, can never invade any country in the fashion putin did.. Don't ever try to compare the most liberal country in the world to a dictatorship govt. There are some things you can say in US and go free but same can not be said for Russia(you'll pay with you blood).. So please stop the useless and meaningless comparison

WTF are you saying? America invaded Libya that was no threat to it, America invaded Iraq that was no threat to it, America occupied Afghanistan for 20 whole years, I can go on & on & here you are talking rubbish about Russia that is only just fighting for its survival & fighting off an actual threat to its country. If you guys don't understand world politics, find something else you understand very well & stick to it.

Felixamos:
I read the comments of pro putins supporters and I just can't help but imagine how awkward some Nigerians think.
Forget Ukraine's romance with NATO, this man has always loved war.

OK, let's assume you're making a point. How many wars have been started by Russia since the existence of the world? How many countries have Russia invaded or colonized? On the other hand, tell me how many countries US, EU & NATO have started wars in, how many countries they've invaded and/or how many countries they have colonized? Give me statistics & let's talk fairly about who truly loves war.

EdiskyHarry:
I pray someone should just enlighten the president of Ukraine that leadership is entirely different from comedy.
How can you allow AMERICA and NATO to push you to fight in your own country destroying your lives and properties that worth millions of dollars.

Don't mind the daft punk!

AmazonTopaz:
If you stood up against Buhari banning Twitter and you support dictator Putin's ban on Twitter and Facebook what exactly is the colour of your problem because the hypocrisy is glaring

Some of you are really this silly? Western countries first started it by banning several Russian organizations & media outlets & now that Russia is paying them back in the same coin, programmed robots like you are trying to play emotional games. Be reasonable!

nairalee:
I hope those Nigerians and others supporting putin can see how even Russians are treated unfairly.

As it stands Putin is fighting both Ukraine and Russia cos I dont see why independent News stations will begin to close up as democracy is trampled.

Putin should be more decisive and try to win over at least majority of his own people before fighting an external battle

Some of you are daft beyond redemption. Are you not Aware that western countries first started blocking Russian media outlets & Russia is only now just paying them back in the same coin? Even if you weren't aware before, it's still written up there in the article. Stop being a robot!

ivandragon:
I have watched the videos before.

Nato's expansion East has always been viewed as provocative... but a pertinent question to ask is that why do former Soviet satellites find the west more attractive? Why do they feel Insecure with Russia?

Russia itself needs to address these issues which is what the satellites have also always complained about that Russia treats then like slave States & interferes too much in their internal affairs. Take Georgia for instance, Russia repeated attacked & annexed territories in Georgia & till today occupies some territory there.

Austria, Finland & some other countries in Europe far from Russia have nor be coerced or forced to join NATO.

For me, strong sanctions across board (political, economic etc) by Russia on Ukraine would have been the second phase of its resistance to Ukraine joining NATO.

You have points. Here's the thing, Militarily, Russia will match the US pound for pound, science-wise, Russia would also match the US pound for pound, we can go on & on & mention a few things that Russia would match the US on. However, when it comes to cultural war, US trumps Russia by a wide margin. American culture is global & nobody really knows Russian culture.

It's the dominance of American culture that the US uses to more easily persuade and/or influence people & other countries. It's like Davido & Wizkid... They are both great musicians but David is more social & extroverted while Wizkid is more introverted. Davido certainly has more following on social media(people want to see him more) than Wizkid does cos he(Davido) is more extroverted & not necessarily because he(Davido) is better than Wizkid. Using that same analogy, US(the extrovert) has its culture spread all around the world & other countries see it more than Russia (the introvert) so they just want to have a bite of it(kind of like a superstar & how women troop after them).

In short, US's cultural dominance is what they use to persuade/influence other countries but since Russia doesn't have that level of cultural dominance, it lags behind the US in the aspect of influencing other countries.

Secondly, coercing or persuading (whichever one of them) countries far away from Russia to join NATO is not necessary to US/NATO if other countries closer to Russia are willing to be part of NATO. The closer you are to be able to strike your enemy, the better therefore I don't think US/NATO consider Austria as important/as valuable as Ukraine in this showdown.

ivandragon:
Hmm...

A no-fly zone will certainly bring the West into direct conflict with Russia.

This war was unnecessary. Russia could have used progressively tougher political, economic, diplomatic & social sanctions to frustrate Ukraine being made a NATO member...

That Putin feels annexing Ukraine is the best way to stop Ukraine joining NATO shows that Ukrainians were right all along to be worried about the Russian threat...

Ukraine is an independent nation & reserves the right to defend its territory from external invasion... however, Zelensky needs to also quickly explore a diplomatic avenue out of the impasse while Putin needs to show good faith by halting further attacks & advances so as to give chance for a diplomatic resolution of the matter...

I love your point of view & I feel it's objective especially as you've acknowledged what both sides could have done better.

The thing is this though, Russia didn't just get to this decision overnight. It's taken many years of Russia appealing, pleading & even having a gentleman's agreement with the US/NATO for them (US/NATO) to stop expanding towards them(Russia) as at some point their expansion towards Russia would definitely be taken by Russia as a threat to Russia which is logical considering that US/NATO & Russia are sworn-enemies. NATO says they(NATO) are a defensive alliance & that Russia has nothing to worry about.

US/NATO have consistently flouted that understanding/agreement & now are exactly at Russia's borders & Russia now has to fight to protect itself....almost any country in Russia's shoes would do the same thing Russia is doing today(except if the country is not as powerful as the expanding opposition country). Russia & Ukraine share cultural & Historical ties & also are both soviet countries. Besides US/NATO(which are sworn-enemies of Russia & vice versa) flouting several agreements & expanding towards Russia, Russia certainly feels betrayed that Ukraine refused to stay Neutral & chose to side with its enemy & furthermore bring its enemy to its border.

If you watch Putin's Speech, you would be able to tell that he felt emotional about having to get to this point of fighting Ukraine(he kept sighing in between the speech) , but at this point his hands have been forced cos it's either Russia fights for the soul of its country or Russia gets crushed. In that same speech, he appealed to all Ukrainians that Russia's not fighting them but their government. He mentioned that the fight is a fight between US/NATO & Russia & they(US/NATO) used the Ukrainian government as a pawn for a proxy war against Russia & that the fact is that sooner or later US/NATO & Russia may have to face each other even of it takes 1000 years(seeing clearly that if NATO takes Ukraine, at some point in history, these two opposing powers of US/NATO & Russia would be face to face in a showdown & so it's better that Russia starts to protect its homeland now.

Anyways, I would post you the video of his speech so you understand it on your own terms.

Lastly, I'd attach a map of the countries around one axis of Russia. (NATO countries in blue, Russia in Red, Unaligned countries in Yellow.

See for yourself how NATO has almost completely encircled Russia on one wide of its borders & let me know what you'd do differently if you were Russia's president. Cheers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lasT-5Mrpk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qS6J-WbTD8

Kelvin3476:
U ARE THE ONE TO MAKE USE OF GOOGLE

I see your ego is getting in the way. There's no shame in accepting & curing your ignorance tho. Best wishes bro. ✌️

Mandesz:
Some people don't know U.S fear is another world war. They love their people n don't want anything to harm them. Russia is a small thing to the U.S with all their weapons n nuclear power they are nothing

When you finish your Hollywood movie, let's Gist.

Pure western lies!

Kelvin3476:
U ARE THE IGNORANCE ONE HERE.

Have you Googled it yet or your ignorant ego is still getting in the way?

Kelvin3476:
U ARE DNT KNW MUCH JUST KEEP QUIET . THEY WERE FORMERLY COLONISED BY SPAIN BE4 SPAINISH-AMERICAN WAR THAT LEAD TO CHANGE OF COLONIES

Use your internet & stop being a confident ignoramus.
A search as simple as "who owns Puerto Rico?" will cure your ignorance yet you're afraid of searching for the truth.

Kelvin3476:
U ARE TALKING ABOUT THOSE FORMER SPANISH COLONISED COUNTRIES ?

Former? The internet is free, use it!

Kelvin3476:
HOW MANY COUNTRIES AMERICA COLONISED ?

US colonized the Philippines, US still colonizes Puerto Rico till this date, US colonizes Guam till this day, US still colonizes Samoan islands. US still colonizes the virgin islands.

pargelenis:
1) Russia aid to Nigeria: ? ? ?
2) USA aid to Nigeria in 2020 & 2021 : USD 500 Million (over 200 billion Naira).

“ …The United States is the single largest donor for the humanitarian response in Nigeria, having provided nearly $505 million in Fiscal Years 2020 and 2021… “

Source: https://www.usaid.gov/news-information/press-releases/mar-12-2021-united-states-announces-nearly-104-million-additional-humanitarian

When the US & West refused to sell military weapons & hardware to Goodluck Jonathan's regime to fight boko haram cos of Nigeria's refusal to legalize homosexual relations, who sold Nigeria weapons; guns, tanks, helicopters etc? Russia! So, you see? Nigeria should have stayed neutral cos we can benefit from both sides but we have dumb people who lead us & have absolutely no sense or vision.

EKONGKING:
Most of the commentators are missing the big picture about Russia ukraine war and why western governments are overreacting with all sorts of sanctions.
Have you seen any asian ,south american or african country put sanctions like western countries. Among asians only japan ,south korea and singapore put sanctions that are bare minimum of what was put by western countries.

The real reason is China .if russia gets away ,expect china to invade taiwan .All this sanctions are to deter china from invading taiwan ,so economic wise china will be poorer.
Why western countries are worried about china is, if taiwan is invaded ,U.S.A is mandated to fight china .
USA being nato country all western countries will be invovled against china . this the exact scenario they want to avoid.
by punishing putin and russia ,they want set an example to china.

What is USA's concern with China owning Taiwan tho? Just like China owns Taiwan, USA owns Puerto Rico, Just like China owns Hong Kong, USA owns Guam (a country in far-away Asia) & USA owns several other territories including Samoa. The hypocrisy is usually so stinking & annoying.

franchasng:
What do you mean by allowing the West to push them to war with Russia?


Did Ukraine invade Russia?


Okay Russia claim Ukraine wanted to join NATO, why not wait till they join then you attack them and if NATO dare stop you, you show NATO that you are the most powerful nation as you want the world to believe.



Russian invasion of Ukraine have no moral justification in 2022. 2022 is not 1960 nor 1990.


How can you wake up and invade a country, throwing bombs, missiles, etc as if they attacked you first.


If Russia is that strong a nation like they make gullible people like you believe, why can't they invade Estonia or Latvia or Lithuania or even Poland that the world have been using to send military wares into Ukraine?



Putin is a coward who hides his cowardice with threats. Imagine threatening the world with nuclear weapon. If he dares that, Russia will be deleted from the face of earth without any traces of Russia ever again, he should try it.



EU have banned Russian airlines from their airspace, since he is that daring let him dare and send Russian airlines to fly over EU airspace.



Yeye people supporting nonsense.



If you like start mentioning Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Iran, Palestine, Cuba, etc na you sabi

Oh, it's not human beings that live in Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Palestine, Cuba etc abi? Some of you are already programmed robots & you all do not realize that. Peace to you.

Ayemileto:
It is Russia's aggressive nature, that is pushing their neighbours to join NATO.

Is it NATO that made them annexed lands from China and Finland decades ago?

Is it NATO that made them invade Georgia in 2008, and establish new nations?

Is it NATO that made them Annexed Crimea in 2014?

Is it NATO that made them to currently have disputed territories with both Japan and China?

Russia have always been aggressive towards their neighbours, and that's the reason why they are all seeking refuge with NATO.

NATO does not force any country to join them, the country have to apply, meet the conditions before they can join.

Russia hit Georgia for the same reason it is hitting Ukraine now "NATO has no business in our neighborhood. Traitors would be treated like traitors".

Crimea is inhabited by Russians. Before Crimea was annexed, why did the west orchestrate a coup to topple the Ukrainian president in 2014? The west can't possibly think they're the only ones who have power. Why aren't you talking about that but talking about Russia's reaction of the annexation of Crimea?


You're here talking about Russia's 'aggressive nature', please tell me how many countries in the world Russia has invaded when it wasn't a reaction & I will tell you at least 30 countries that the US & the west have invaded for absolutely no reason but lies & greed.

Russia has disputed territories with Japan & China, please tell me about them. Thanks.

babz11:
Can we just stop this blood shed
Must Ukraine join NATO
Must Russia Colonize Ukraine
Let's be diplomatic

You're wise bro & I applaud your objectivity & call for peace. I wish the world was as simple though, however it isn't that simple. Ukraine truly does not have to join NATO & also Russia doesn't want to colonize Ukraine. The problem however is that both US(NATO) & Russia are sworn-enemies & the US (through NATO) wants to encircle Russia in order to be able to crush Russia eventually (even if it takes 1000 years) & that's why they want Ukraine to join NATO so that they (US/NATO) would be by Russia's borders. Already, they (US/NATO have about 3 countries by Russia's border but those countries are very small. Ukraine on the other hand is a very big country & borders Russia along several kilometers.

Russia too, being a country with powerful military might had an agreement/understanding with NATO years back for NATO to not expand towards them (Russia). NATO broke that agreement severally & is still trying to break it by bringing Ukraine on board. No reasonable/proactive president would sit idle & watch his/her country's enemies build up military might by his/her border & not stop them when he/she had the might & capabilities. That's the issue. NATO has broken several agreements/understanding with Russia & so Russia is not willing to trust them. Also put in mind that NATO was initially created for the primary purpose of countering the now defunct soviet - union which Russia led. The soviet union has long collapsed but NATO is still very much active & worse is that it is trampling on Russia 's backyard. I don't know about you, but if it was me, I would act the same way Russia is acting now.

Lastly, the cold War between Russia & USA happened for reasons similar to this back in the day. Russia wanted to station missile systems in Cuba but the USA refused that it was too close to them(US). Note that Cuba does not share any land borders with USA, yet US/NATO want to station by Russia's borders &yet they are pretending like Russia is over-reacting.

Attached is an image of a map of Russia(in red) showing NATO countries around Russia(in blue). Be objective, please, would you feel comfortable with your enemies leaving their various countries far away to come this close to you?

You mean these soldiers that surrendered?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvWiPlbZSQ0

TOPCRUISE:
Putin is mad and a killer. Sanity will come to Europe when they capture Putin

Go capture am na.

NigeriaNawa:
Turkey already shot down a Russian jet a few years ago, during the Syrian conflict. What did Russia do ? Nothing, zero, zilch. Putin is all mouth.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyhGOvsM4F0

That's cos Putin & Erdogan are friends. I remember this incident very clearly. At the time, the media kept trying to stoke the fires of trouble trying to instigate Russia to attack Turkey over shooting that aircraft. Instead, Turkish president apologized to Russia, Russia apologized for the unplanned violation & everything was fine again, no big deal. That incident once again showed how level-headed Putin is.

Everyone who is familiar with Putin's persona knows he's calm, doesn't talk much, doesn't show a lot of emotions on his face, is level-headed, calculated & strict. Because, he's calm doesn't mean he's dumb, dull or weak. Now, the west has pushed the dull Ukrainian president to start fire that they have now abandoned him to quench on his own.

Viridis:
They are not hostile why did they annex Crimea and did you hear there one of there excuses for invading Ukraine? To denazify it. Which Nazi is in Ukraine whose president is a Jew?

And do you mean Ukraine should not associate with a country of her choice? Did they join NATO? Has U.S or NATO built any base in Ukraine?

First, Crimea is mostly populated by native Russians. Secondly, Russia only annexed Crimea after the west overthrew the president of Ukraine in 2014. Russia's act was still a reaction not that it just went & did it out of the blues. In 2014, the west orchestrated a coup that took out the guy who was president at the time because he was a traditional pro-Russian president just like most of Ukraine's presidents have been. The west needed their own puppet & they got it in the person who became president after the coup happened & subsequently also in the current president(Zelensky).

Lastly, if you're so concerned about certain countries being hostile, why are you siding with the US? US has been more hostile to more countries than anyone else I can recall... so, you're really confusing me.

Stevenson20:
From China's actions and inactions, Russia has the backing of China. They are preparing to Invade Taiwan if Russia succeeds

What do you mean "invade Taiwan"? Taiwan is Chinese territory, so China cannot invade itself.

Righteousness2:
Confindent Ignorance!
If you know Israel and its history you will throw your phone away!
What you have in 1948 is a Bible Prophecy Fulfillment on the Rebirth of Israel. Isaiah 66:8
Israel has been from time Immemorial! Due to their Iniquity and rebellion GOD scattered them! But brought them back again to their same land just as HE said he will do in the Bible!
Remove the scale from your eyes!

Your belief & reality are 2 opposite things. Sadly, the truth is what is reality & not your belief.

lightlogger:
What is wrong with some of you? Don't be ignorant and be careful.

I don't understand, are you scared of facing the truth? Or what? Check the internet(which is free by the way), Israel that you know today was created in 1949. Many of you just follow religion blindly without wanting to know about the world that you live in.

Viridis:
My problem with Ukraine is that you know you have a hostile neighbor who may attack you. Yet you fail to develop your military to counter them. Just see how a full blown country fell to it's mate in days with no retaliation.

You couldn't even hit a single target in there territory. Ukraine disgusts me. Patriotism is not enough. Imagine no single SAM defence system thereby allowing your enemy control of your airspace without a single fear of being hit.

Russia hostile? Even though Russia is a very strong country militarily, how many times have you ever heard that it was hostile or started trouble? Every single person no matter how calm or gentle will fight for their intetest/right if/when they have to talk less of a calm strong person.

Secondly, Ukraine & Russia (just like many former soviet countries) are sister-countries & are traditionally friends/allies so Russia typically would never have attacked Ukraine. Even when I schooled with people who were from former soviet countries, they all revered Russia & each of their former soviet countries. Now, the president of Ukraine(Zelensky) let the west; US, NATO & EU deceive him. They (US, NATO & EU) took advantage of him being a novice leader in the hopes that Russia won't do anything & when Russia started to show that it won't tolerate their rubbish, they abandoned him.

No right-thinking, pro-active leader would let an enemy military come & settle beside his country as that would mean danger to his/her country. The Ukrainian president should have known that fact, it's common sense. What are US & NATO(sworn enemies of Russia) looking for in territory that borders Russia? I would have done the same thing if I was Putin or if I was president of any country in the same position as Russia.

Righteousness2:
No Israel befor 1947?? Are u Serious?
This is comedy at its Peak..

The Israel you know today was created in 1949. The internet is free. Check it out for yourself.

Reference:
Remember that Saddam invaded Kuwait and annexed the country, which was a strong ally of the United States. There was a clear resolution in the UN and since Saddam did not back down war was inevitable. It was the second gulf war that was inexcusable.

What got Qaddafi out was the report implicating him in the terrorist attack on PANAM flight 103.

As for Afghanistan, that was where Al-Qaeda was based and its infamous leaders Osama Bin Laden. Once again the Taliban was asked to give him up but they couldn't..... wouldn't so the CIA went after him. The rest is history.

Yeah yeah, how un-naive. Out of a 195 countries in the world, anytime the US has a dispute/fight with any country, the US is always the righteous/innocent one & the opposing country is always the devil. All 194 remaining countries are always at fault. Sounds intelligent.

emapeteum:
Punctuation is your problem.My dear,this is how a failure reason and attack those who are far more advanced in all aspect.Even your write-up is dotted with errors;that wasn't my problem.

Mr Man, you don't get to tell me what to judge you by. I didn't tell you what to judge me by before you started spilling your emotions all across the room. Therefore, if you pick your own standards, I'd pick mine. Free world!

emapeteum:
You are such an uncultured backward guy.You don't know international politics Do you think the US and her European allies will showcase their military hardware's like China and Russia? Its only the weak that will be bragging but the strong doesn't make noise .If I may asked, what's you qualification?I cited an instance of some Nigerian scholars who went to China and were exploited by the Chinese scholars and you are here talking nonsense.Your level of reasoning is rather too shallow.you are so engrossed with what you're seeing on tv,then the Chinese are now more powerful than the west.This is how children reason anyway

LOL. My dear scholar. Please go learn to punctuate your sentences better & then you may finally be able to pass your message across better..... seeing that you're 'cultured'.

Nitah1:
So in this context who is the bad guy here,the Europeans that extracts Africans or the Americans that host them?


But do you also remember that America was colonized by the British?


I recommend you read "How Europe underdeveloped Africa" by Walter Rodney.

Bro,I've read "How Europe underdeveloped Africa" by Walter Rodney.

You're missing something. The Americans are the Europeans. Europeans settled in the USA & became the Americans you know today. The original/indigenous Americans (native Americans) were not whites(Caucasians). The native Americans suffered similar fate as Africans, they (native Americans) were literally exterminated & their lands taken from them. In fact, native Americans may have even suffered a fate worse than what Africans experienced because Africans/black people are still a large race in the world today at least. Native Americans were purged/killed & today, their race is virtually extinct. The whole of the continents you know today as 'North America & South America belonged to native Americans but today you can count the number of those natives that exist on both Continents. The North (North America) was mostly taken over by Europeans & then countries like Canada & the USA were created by Europeans. The South (South America) was mostly taken by Europeans too & several new countries were created there.