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TATIME:
This is the reason why all of you are envious of Jehovah's Witnesses. Because you only read the Bible texts without getting the practical applications of what you read.
When we're preaching and teaching people with points that's reaching their hearts,you become troubled and start looking for ways to discredit our activities.
Peter clearly wrote it that there are SACRED SECRETS regarding God's kingdom that ANGELS are "desiring to know". 1Peter 3:15
Certainly, there is nothing that concerns the Angels that have kept their position since they have no problem regarding punishment or the end. But it is the angels who have forsaken their original assignment given to them that are no more updated about what will happen,when it will happen and how it will happen to them. 2Peter 2:4
Well if you're willing to learn,that's why God's word said they are in DARKNESS! Jude 6
We know you guys truthfully have burning zeal for God but not according to ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE(Romans
10:2,3) that's why your hearts are troubled whenever we have come to give meaningful and practical applications of what is written in our book(Bible). Sorry my friend, from Genesis to Revelations was written by Jehovah's Witnesses. Though you may find it really hard to agree but that's the truth,so if you're not willing to humble yourself before us you can never gain the ACCURATE understanding of our book(Bible). And you'll notice that even though you know quite well that Jesus commanded His disciples to KEEP preaching and teaching people, you'll never be able to do it with orderliness and zeal like God's own people(Jehovah's Witnesses) Isaiah 54:17

Please stop this monumental lies already!. Don't you at least fear God?. You in defence of fraud, will out rightly go against God. This is dangerous!, may God have mercy on your soul.

For your information, the bible was written by faithful men of God as the Holy Spirit of God gave them inspiration. You guys are witnessing for something totally different, because you twist the word of God, deny the word of God, and in every way seek to undermine the person of Jesus Christ!. You better come out of the cult and save your soul.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

See how you shamelessly and boldly twisted the fact in the verse above to suggest that being kept in chains of darkness meant to be out of the know, not to talk of the fact that you didn't mention hell also in that verse.

You falsely claimed the fallen angels do not know when and how their punishment will be, yet the bible says totally a different thing.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Excuse me Mr. TATIME, how could the devil know he has a short time?. The bible says so, you said he and His colleagues don't, who is lying?.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Mr. TATIME, you said the fallen angels do not know how they will be punished, do you mean to say that they don't or they can't read the bible at least to see these fearful description of their doom?. Don't forget that when Jesus was being tempted by the devil, the devil was the one quoting the bible and saying what God said in it. Who exactly do you think you are representing with all this twisted lies you churn out?.

Peter in the passage above tells you of how the Holy and
faithful angels of God are also eager to see the wonderful future God has planned. But they can't because it is not yet there for them to see. But the Holy Spirit relate it to us. We have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside of us, unfortunately I don't think you do, because you don't believe in Him.

Nobody can tell what we would look like or how we will appear, but the bible says we would be like Jesus. Who can imagine that, not even the angels can. Everyone is curious to see what we will be like. Only God by his Holy Spirit can possibly reveal that to you.

Once again, I urge you to desist from peddling lies against God and the bible.

PrecisionFx:
Leave muslims out of ur stupid christian lies. No muslim dead or alive believes that jesus died and rose from the dead.

Christians can lie like the devil.

There's no lie in what I said. You need to check your fact very well.

The Muslims believe that Jesus will come back again with their Mahdi or something. Tell me, can a non living person so come?. Why not their Prophet Muhammad?.

It's unfortunate that even the said prophet doesn't know what will become of him after death, yet they still follow him.

Jesus said He is coming back, Christians say that, Muslims say that as well. So which one are you denying it now?.

PrecisionFx:
''The house you are talking about was built by human hands.''

The house ur talking about was built with human mind, Its just a figment of the imagination of the mind builders.

Hahaha... Does human mind exist?. Wow! That's amazing!.

How did the human mind come about?. Please can you tell me?. It evolved right?. Super story!

The one who created that mind of yours, made your whole body and the entire Universe, is the same person who made my house above. The house in your village is the one that was actually made by human mind.

Human mind thought about the shape and design. But the mind of God designed my house .

Can you compare that?.

PrecisionFx:
''Without this Jesus, the world as a whole let alone Italy, wouldn't have been.
''

Before jesus was created, Italy has existed for several Millenias.

SMH. Ignorance they say is a disease.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Will you agree that Earth is not a subset of Italy, rather, Italy is a subset of Earth, so if He made Earth and all things, and in fact owns all things, including you, why do you say Italy existed before Him?.

Again, if Jesus existed before Abraham, and Abraham lived before Europe and consequently Italy, where then is your logic.

In case you're confused, read this passage below.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


He was called Jesus only after He came to earth as a human being, but all along He existed.

Repent and return to your maker and Saviour. Jesus Christ is the one.

0temSapien:
i evoluted and came into the earth as a homo sapiens about 3 dozens years ago. I have parents who are male and female, so I wonder where an 'it' comes into the matter. As for the creator or the source of Existence called God Almighty, it is what created both your sky daddy(Yahweh) and your earthly parents. Yahweh himself cannot argue the fact that he was created by an 'it'. As a matter of fact, the 'he, she and it' concepts came to existence through human beings. God ALMIGHTY the great 'IT' from which we all came predated Yahweh your 'he' and without IT small HE-Yahweh wouldn't have been in existence. May the light of God Almighty help you to see the truth.

The devil is indeed a lair!.

See how you're contradicting yourself?. You said, you evolved (evoluted). The same you have human parents.

Why do you need them, if you have the capacity to evolve?.SMH.

You and your masters are classical example of land grabbers who seek to usurp ownership of property by lies and forgery. But you have failed!.

Don't forget this, one day, you and those you now serve will bow and worship Yahweh Elohim as the only God. You surely will.

budaatum:
How do you know, sky? Have you been there?

I know because Jesus said so. The bible has it in record. I am a believer in Jesus Christ and His word.

That's what matters, but if I tell you that I have had a glimpse of it, will you believe me?, I doubt.

Believe the word of God. Hell fire is real, heaven also is real. Choose where you want to spend your own eternity.

Jesus Christ is the only way.

LordReed:
I don't need an excuse for imaginary things.

But the truth is now clear. So you have no alibis.

Ahasco:
OK good, cos this will allow you more time to reason deep and realize that religion is only a tool of deception and enslavement for the weak in spirit

I just pray you would have just one encounter with God. That will settle this whole matter. So you think it's just because I answer I'm a Christian?, or because I go to church?.

Go and read what happened to Paul the apostle. Who was he before he became Saul. Just one encounter.

There are men and women deceiving others in the name of religion. But don't let the devil deceive you.

What Jesus Christ has called us into is not religion and religiosity. Jesus Christ is calling us into a fellowship and deep relationship with Him. It's unfortunate that the devil has so deeply corrupted the godly principles the church promotes.

Over 3,000 denomination!. Don't be misled either. You deeply need Jesus Christ. I wish you understand it.

0temSapien:
I don't understand who are begging your god o. Is it written inside your bible that some angels are begging your god? Well, that's their business. All I know here is that Yahweh your god, Allah, etc were bound up by their brothers and cast into spiritual prisons currently.

Seriously!, that's the lie they are telling you right?.

Fallen angels in prison are the ones you chosen to serve?. What a shame.

Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

Be careful not to partake in that torment, see how your deceptive masters fear it. Repent before it's too late.

Ahasco:
Sorry, but may I ask what position you hold in your church? Pastor, reverend, bishop, apostle, etc so I know whether to continue or not

I hold no position.

0temSapien:
I was born into the earth as a homo erectus more than a million years ago. I come into the whole as a homo sapiens about 3 decades ago. I existed as a soul with God Almighty right from a time timeless.
Yahweh was born to the earth penultimately about 3000years ago, he committed suicide and died. Currently he is existing in another realm, same as every soul, but he is captured in a spiritual cage. Learn the truth.

If what I say is not true, may Yahweh have power over me and kill me before the end of today. But if what I say is the truth, may Yahweh continue to remain mute in his spiritual cage. Peace.

What a confused soul!. May God have mercy on you.

Homoerectus. Born by an 'it' . Is raising voice against the untreated creator. Very foolish reasoning.

Get reed of this poison already!.

0temSapien:
Do you know that the source of your book, the bible is totslly anti Otem? The meaning of Otem is 'Son of Truth', therefore if the source of your book is Anti Otem, then it means it is 'Anti Truth'. No wonder many people see your book as a book of lies.

May the light of God Almighty which created Yahweh your god reveal the truth to you. Peace.

Lies from fallen angels.

Jesus is master overall things, including you and the fallen angels. No wonder they were begging Him not to torment them before the set time.

When that time comes. They will see fire!.

Jesus Christ is boss!.

CAPTIVATOR:
The primesky of a guy is very disorganized, Tackle topics in An orderly manner .

What do you mean by orderly. Can you elaborate?.

LordReed:
Jesus purportedly said some hearing him then will not die but see him come back. They are all dead now yet he has not come. The prophecy is fake and will never happen. I will not accept imaginary beings as gods.

Oh, So this is your excuse?. My dear, Apostle John and Peter at these I know, where shown the coming of the Lord. That is why they could clearly describe it in the bible. Paul also had such privilege before dying.

But the same cannot be said if all the other disciples and apostles, yet they believed Him.

Apostle John's experience, was even more spectacular, given us the book of Revelations.

What is your excuse?, non!, absolutely non!.

OtemAtum:
God is 'it' because it is neither a male nor a female. If your own god is a he, then it means he is a male and therefore incomplete. As a matter of fact, God Almighty created Yahweh your god and he can never deny such fact. May the light of God Almighty reveal the truth to you.

This is the height of confusion and deception.

I am a creation of the living God, likewise all men, including you, all things where made by the living almighty Yahweh Elohim.

Please, stop listening to fallen angels. They have seriously messed up your mind. Oh Lord please have mercy.

LordReed:
Isaac Newton predicted that Christ will come in 2000AD. That date has come and gone. I will still be laughing when I die my good man, I will still be laughing.

Is Isaac Newton the bible?. What did Jesus Himself say about His coming?. Your case/point lacks merit.

If that's the reason to not believe God, then I say it again, you have not case, no excuse.

God promised that Jesus will come to save mankind. Jesus didn't come until 4,000 years after. But did He come as God said He would?, Yes, He did!. So will Jesus also come as He has said He would.

As for when, only God, not Isaac Newton, knows.

Salvation is now!. Repent and receive Jesus Christ today!.

OtemAtum:
O The bible doesn't contain the word of God Almighty which created Yahweh your god. Rather it contains the words of your god Yahweh and it doesn't hold ground universally. Yahweh currently is in a spiritual cage. May your eyed be opened to see him there, amen.

The bible contains the word of God. The content of it guides man to life in Christ Jesus. All others are fake and deceptive.

Yaweh Elohim, is the almighty God. The devils can burn in hell.

Jesus Christ is Lord forever

PrecisionFx:
my fathers house is still in the village. ur stories mean nothing .

Be honest, thieves can break through and steal, earthquake or flood or fire can mess it up.

The house you are talking about was built by human hands. But my house is built by the maker of the galaxies, o boy!. You can't beat that.

The builder of my house is the same person who made 55 Cancer e (diamond) planet. So can you possibly imagine what my house and home looks like?.

Are you sure, that human remains are not part of the ingredients in this house of yours, which you are so proud of, because I know that cement, water, sand and all sorts of bio-degradables make up the materials.

PrecisionFx:
Same way Mohammed kept u alive today n u can't deny it.

Come on, don't act childish now. Deal with the issues and facts raised.

Mohammed is dead and buried, confirmed by his followers.

Jesus Christ died and rose again, and is coming back again, confirmed by both Christians and Moslems!. Wonderful!. But nothing of such said about Mohammed!. So how can the dead possibly keep me alive?.

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life.

Repent and receive Him today!.

PrecisionFx:
Jesus was an Italian runs

If that at all is true, which of cause is not, then you are both fake and non existent!.

Without this Jesus, the world as a whole let alone Italy, wouldn't have been.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Can you see that all things where made by Him and for Him, including you!.

So, don't be lost, get found, and come home to your saviour. Salvation is now!.

OneJ:
@ Primesky,
1 Peter 3:19,20 must be read & studied together or U miss the message in it.
Gen 6:1-4,Jude 1:6 , 1 Peter 3:19,20 to understand Peter's epistle.
1 kings22:20,21 "a spirit" mentioned there is actually the angel who volunteered to go on that mission stated in both verses.

(Yahweh) makes his angels spirits,his ministers a flaming fire" Ps104:4.
"Are not all angels ministering spirits....? Hebrew 1:14.

In Job 27:3, what is the spirit of God in Job's nostrils being referred to?
The Bible says " Yahweh breathed into his nostrils, the breath of life and the man became a living soul ". Gen 2:7.

U don't seem to understand matt 26:41. pls read& study Romans 7:15-21. Gal 5:17.
It's obvious U have a shallow understanding of how the word "spirit" is used in various Bible verses & what it's real meaning is , in those verses.
Pls cast away your prejudices & study God's word with JWs.... U have so much to learn, I tell U !
Shalom

Obviously, you are the one twisting the scriptures!. Did I not tell you in my last response, that spirit as used in scripture represents either an angel, breath, strength/energy, God's Holy Spirit or man's spirit, and that which one refered to in any given verse depends on the context of that verse?.

Did you or did you not see that?.

After all you quoted above, I will just like you to explain
The passage I also gave you in that response. Here it is again.

Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Can you explain the above please?. How does God form the spirit of man within him(man), like He formed Adam from the dust of the ground?.

Then please objectively explain the following.

Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Please explain, why the distinction between giving breath and giving spirit to men, if breath and spirit here are the same?.

Ezekiel 11:5 And the Spirit of the LORD fell upon me, and said unto me, Speak; Thus saith the LORD; Thus have ye said, O house of Israel: for I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them.

Please read the above verse carefully, and tell me who actually SPOKE to Ezekiel, is this person different from God?. If this is a person, and He is a spirit of a person, why can't man made in the image of God, after God's likeness and nature, have spirit?. Please explain. Thank you.

TATIME:
When people die they returned to dust but spirits don't die. So God has HIS own way of returning them to nonexistence, please those Angeles knew God has that power to destroy them but they don't know how HE is going to do it,that's what they are trying to learn from our preaching and teaching activities because they know God will reveal it to the holy ones. 1Peter 1:12
So when you're saying God will keep them inside burning fire to be tormented forever and ever,they'll just be laughing because they knew HIM and HIS qualities much more than any humans. They know HE can't withstand seeing HIS creatures suffering talk less leaving them there forever! 1John 4:8
The only thing you need to figure out is "where will Adam be,hellfire or heaven?" Because he caused all the suffering that's making people to do bad things today.
So if God's judgment for Adam is death or return to dust, then you can go further to explain what will happen to Adam's offsprings that followed his footsteps.
As regards the torment, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed in an instance but all Bible readers can still remember them and Lot's wife till today as if they're still burning inside the fire that consumed those cities.
You just need to understand that anyone practicing what those people did back then will continue to be TORMENTED with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. The same way survivors into God's kingdom will continue to remember many of those they knew so well who perished in Armageddon. For your information that's the meaning of what you're reading not that the same God who said "tormenting living creatures inside fire is what i hate and has NEVER come into my mind" will now adopt the practices that HE HIMSELF condemns from HIS heart. Jeremiah 7:31
It's just as simple as that!

Please can you for once stop misinterpreting scriptures to suit your religion?.

Stop saying things against what Jesus said.

Did Jesus ever make these statements?.

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Mark 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:


Please answer the above.

Then saying the devils do not know what punishment awaits them, are you saying what you think or are you saying what is in the bible?.

Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Does the above passages in any way suggest that the fate of the fallen angels and sinful men is unknown?. Do you read the bible more than the devils do?.

Now, if all the above doesn't convince you, then look at this below.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Who was everlasting fire prepared for?. Will man eventually end up there?.

What does everlasting and forever mean according to the dictionary?.

Please stop twisting the truth.

As for the passage in Jeremiah you quoted, please go back to that passage and read up the preceding verses to know what God was actually taking about.


This people where sacrificing their children to idols by burning them in fire. Meanwhile, as at that time, the only thing God permitted to be so sacrificed to Him was animals and grains NOT human beings!. That's why He said that (burning your children in fire for me) didn't come into my mind. O boy, stop trying to make God a lair na. Fear God O.

0temSapien:
I have always existed. I am a part of God. That Peter wrote a book concerning judgement doesn't mean I am subjected to the book of Peter. I am greater than Yahweh the god of Peter, so why should I care about the book of Peter?

These are the words of a proud and confused man. Antichrist and deceiver.

A mortal born a few earth years ago, totally ignorant and oblivious of eternity past and future, is here spewing confusion because he has been mesmerised by the lies and falsehood of devils.

It's only a confused prince, who will make peace and form a league with the condemned enemy of his father, and his father's kingdom in other to have a gold coin in the pocket of the condemned criminal.

What a shame!.

Jesus will crush every rebellion!.

Ahasco:
It's a pity though. Even your book says it already those who will be caught will be caught, those who will be killed will be killed as for the wise let them endure. I don't know where whoever it is got that philosophy from but it's still used to deceive you all the more. I tell you a time will come when the world will advance in knowledge and high technology and the worship of beings like yourself and your mentors will be wiped out the face of the earth and you and your kind will be in big shame and then your eyes will be opened to reality. You will see it in a very large screen mark my word

My dear forget that thing. What has man seen?.

The devils have advanced technology not known to man.They have methods man has not known before.

Without the permission of God, such things can not be revealed or introduced here. God also told us in the book of Daniel, that in the end times, knowledge will increase. There are no surprises.

Amazing signs and wonders whether by science or by mystic means, are sure to happen more than we can ever know.

Whatever happens nontheless, they are nothing compared to what God has in stock for the end time.

The devil and his fallen angels thought they know so much, but what they know and have is nothing compared to what God has prepared.

Have you not read, the enemy will bring fire down from heaven among other things?.

Don't let nothing or no man deceive you. Repent and be saved.

0temSapien:
The book of Bellorum which I have just quoted for you does not have any element of lie in it. I wonder how you can't reason along. If Yahweh aka Jehovah is Almighty God, how come when the Almighty God made this comment about him, he could not do anything? God Almighty created Yahweh and he can never deny such fact.

The devil is the father of lies!.

The source of your book is totally anti Christ. God almighty is Yahweh Elohim.

God is not the author of confusion, the devil is!.

Come out of darkness and be saved.

LordReed:
LoL! Any time I see this it makes me laugh, like as though a little child is telling me Santa won't bring me a toy. Its so cute. LMFAO!

I pray you will still be in a position to laugh when your time here on earth is over.

A destiny without Jesus Christ, is a destiny of damnation.

Salvation is now, and it's free. Jesus Christ saves.

PrecisionFx:
''That's the greatest love story"

Thats exactly what it is, a story




''since you know that He died and shed His blood''

Of course i know he died, His blood was spilled for claiming that he is God n for claiming that he is the king of kings, which the colonial kings of rome didnt find funny

What is a story?. It's your very life presently not a story?

See how you're embarrassing yourself before fresh history students. Either you're a fresh student yourself or you're just being childish. Read your history well, neither the Romans nor their rulers condemned Jesus Christ, He was guiltless and faultless, Pilate attested to this, those who witnessed against Him were even confused about their claims.

But be honest with yourself and say the truth for once, Jesus was crucified on the cross, yes, that's true, but you also know that He rose again from the dead, don't you?

Why do you skip that part?

Jesus Christ is the Lord

Repent and be saved.

PrecisionFx:
The italian jesus loves me

The Precious, lovely and Holy Jesus Christ loves you. You can't deny it. He even kept you alive today. Thank you Jesus.

PrecisionFx:
My Fathers house is in the Village

Seriously?! Wow! That's pathetic!.

If an earthquake or a sunami or even a heavy wind blows, it can be blown away. And since the old man will die, if he hasn't already, you will be left alone, orphaned and alone, chai!. That's too bad!.

My earthly father was the channel by which I came into this world. My real Father is the almighty God, and with Him in heaven are mansions nothing can destroy.

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: Matthew 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

If I may add, watch against Boko Haram and Fulani Herds men.

Sorry bro, I seriously can't imagine your disadvantage. But you can still come back to your real father, God almighty through Jesus Christ. Salvation is free.

JeromeBlack:
If you were born in Somalia to illiterate muslims, would you be a Christian?

Your brain and mental capacity have been eroded by excessive religious brainwashing.

Even in Somalia, there are good Christians there. The present day Turkey and even Egypt where once Christian territories.

But God knows how to judge such cases based on ignorance. But you that have heard about both the live and sacrifice of Jesus Christ for you, what have you done with it, that's the question!. Your own case is totally different from that of the illiterate and ignorant people.

And the Lord being a just God, has promised not to come or judge the world until every nation and people have at least heard about what He did, and offered the olive branch. It's either you accept it or you reject it. The choice is yours.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

I can not feign ingnorance of it neither can you.

Salvation is now!. Repent and be saved.