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Maximus69:
Good morning Mr Primesky!

I've given you the interpretation that i subscribed to which is that of the Watchtower Organization, but if you think it's wrong there is no problem Sir.
You just present the result of your interpretation perhaps i'll be convinced that the Watchtower is wrong. I'm a Muslim from birth and i believe in the existence of God, but i can never agree that God is in the midst of confused religionists who can't speak with one voice.
So if JWs taught me that the body of Christ means the Christian congregation, and they're able to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign within them i can't doubt their interpretation.
You can only convince me they're wrong if you tell me the name of your church and how well they are doing regarding LOVE, JOY and PEACE!

Jesus is the Prince of Peace and his body must have PEACE reigning in their midst!

Thanks and God bless you!

Ok, I get your point.

There are different contexts in the scripture. One must be careful not to confuse them. It is very wrong to just pick a few verse and give general interpretation, read the whole chapter, sometimes read the whole story to understand the flow and context to avoid making some unnecessary errors in interpretation.

Jesus himself knowing the possibility of this said to his disciples that when he leaves them, he will send them the Holy Spirit who will guide them into all truths, and remind them the things he has said so they don't misquote, misinterpret and mislead people. He warned them before he left, not to venture into preaching or doing anything until the Holy Spirit comes. They waited for 40 days until he came, that's why we celebrate Pentecost.

See this below This is Jesus speaking.

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


Take note that this Holy Spirit is a person though spirit, not a mere active force like JWs Call him. He talks, he guides. He is a person!.

Now, imagine a group of people telling you that such a person (Holy Spirit) does not exist, and that we no longer need him to guide us, rather we should follow what a group of select men says?. This is totally against what Jesus said, Jesus said the Holy Spirit will abide with us till the end to do the work Jesus said he will do. Now, if such a group comes telling you things about God, without the aid and guidance of the Holy Spirit, would you not take it with a pinch of salt?. Again, how can anybody explain the Bible without the help of the one who inspired It?, it's not a literature book, it's a spiritual book.

Read 1 Corinth 2 :14

Secondly, there are contexts where the body of Christ refers to the collection of Christians. But the context of discussion is explicitly talking about the physical body of Jesus Christ. But one thing that is consistent with the JW that I've seen is, rather than accept the written truth as it is, they twist it to suit their organization's beliefs, but God's word is infallible, it has the capacity to defend itself with enough proofs.

Now regarding the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ which the JWs argue against, claiming that he rose with spiritual body, look at this passage of scripture below and see the account of Jesus himself, not mine, then ask yourself where did the JW and Watch Tower get their information?.

Luke 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Did you see verse 39 and below?. That explains why no body can find the physical body of Jesus christ the tomb, He is risen, and that physically!. To not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit of God is to not believe in God at all!.

May the good Lord guide us all by His Holy Spirit.. Amen!.

twhy111:
Why would a God who created you without clothes send you to hell for indecent dressing?

He's omnipotent and omnipresent, which means he knew everything how they started and how everything will end. So if the God knows one would end up in hell why send the person to earth in the first place?


For so God so love the world, he loves us but yet created hell fire for his loving children, I thought his love is agape love? Why set up a child for eternal destruction even when you love him?

When God made man in the beginning, He clothed man with His glory there was no need of physical clothe, and man (Adam and Eve) did not consider it. But when sin came, the glory disappeared, the eyes of men could from then see that he was naked. At this point clothe was needed. Guess what?. It was still God who made the first clothe to clothe man when He saw that the degeneration.

Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

It is therefore inappropriate to go about naked or half naked. Simply put, God hates it, that's why he made the coats for them to cover up.

chatinent:
The Bible’s answer:
Many Christian denominations teach that God is a Trinity. However, note what the Encyclopædia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.”
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In fact, the God of the Bible is never described as being part of a Trinity.
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Note these Bible passages:
- “Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—Deuteronomy 6:4.
- “You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”— Psalm 83:18.
-“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”— John 17:3.
-“God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20.
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Still thinking if the trinity doctrine has some truth? I hope you know Jesus was created and Jehovah God was not? Here is sth to think about: if Jesus is God, who was he praying to in the mountains? Concerning the misconception on the John's account in chapter one verse one, think again: how can sb who is God 'be with' God again?
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Clearly Jesus is not God. He even stressed his father is greater than he is. Little wonder God loved him and sent him to pay his life a ransom for our sins.

It's very evident that the claim of Jehovah witnesses to believe in Jesus Christ is a mere charade. Half truth is no truth at all. The willful twisting of scriptures to suit a man made dogma and doctrine totally seperayr from the truth of God's word, is one wicked thing that can be do e to a precious human soul.

Since you say Jesus is not God, explain these passages below. I beg you, don't twist scriptures, no Bible chemistry, just say what the Bible said. Thank you.

Part 1

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Questions:

1. Who is this word that was with God and that was God in the very beginning?.

2. If all things were made by God, and it is this word who made it, who then is he and how come all things were made by him?.

Part 2

Since you say Jesus is not God, tell me who made the statement below and why so, if Jesus is not God?



Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Questions

1. If Jesus is not God, how and does he say, I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the ending, the first and the last, is this not a title reserved for God?. Do we now have two alphas and two omegas...?.

2. In verse 16 of Rev. 22' Jesus identified himself and said, 'Jesus have sent mine angel'. Tell me, does God the almighty as you all him have a different angel of His own different from the angel of Jesus who you say is not God, in the same heaven?.

Part 3

If you say Jesus is not God, then what is the meaning of the passage below?.

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Question

If Jesus is not God, how can he say any one who have seen him has seen the Father?. If your picture/image in America is presented to a total stranger, will does that your picture assume a personality of its own simply because it's captured in a frame?.


You are a trinity yourself because God made you so.

A spirit being, having a soul, and dwelling in a body. That's man. All you see is the body but that one individual is madeup of distinct components. You can't separate my body from my soul or spirit, anywhere you see, it's me.


Water can exhibit this quality. It is one substance, but has the capacity to exist in three different distinct forms.

*Water
*Ice
*Vapour

Will you doubt it if anybody tells you that ice is water, or that Vapour is water?. If you can't understand this simple physical thing, it will be difficult to understand God.

Maximus69:
Jesus was referring to the Temple worship not his physical body!

Before and during the ministry of Jesus that is the only place where pure worship is offered to God {John 4: 20-22} so at Jesus death a new covenant was sealed {Jeremiah 31:31-34} that's why the large curtain dividing the holy and the most holy was miraculously turn apart {Matthew 27:51} within those three consecutive days, there was no place on this planet where pure worship could be rendered until Jesus' resurrection!
So whoever wants to worship God acceptably from that time on must do so in the spiritual Temple which is amongst the Christians in Jesus name {Act 2:29-38} the Jerusalem Temple became useless because worshipers can't receive the holy spirit which has been promised as a GIFT to identify those practicing pure worship when the Christ comes {Joel 2:28; Act 2:18} that's the Temple Jesus was referring to not physical body, Apostle Paul confirmed this in his letter! Ephesians 4:12

So when Jesus said he will demolished the old Temple and raised it in three days, he meant the symbol of pure worship which is the physical Temple in Jerusalem will be demolished spiritually speaking within those three days of his death so that whoever wants to worship the God of Israel must turn to the new spiritual Temple (Christ)! John 2:24

God bless you!

Can you please stop twisting the scriptures?. You see the truth but reject it, only looking for what to use and confuse people. Stop picking single verses and generalizing it as the meaning of things. Read the whole chapter or even chapters and get the context.

That same John chapter 2 you quoted, go back and read it from verse 18, then come back and repeat what you just gave me as the meaning of what Jesus meant. For the benefit of others, see it here.

John 2:18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Did you see verses 19 to 22, carefully look at verses 21 & 22 did you read these verses first before you singled out just verse 24?. The Bible tells you what Jesus meant, but you rejected that one, instead you started doing Bible chemistry, is it good?.

The truth is open for you to see, that Jesus talked about His body and not the temple of worship.


I will also ask you this. You say Jesus did not rise physically, but spiritually, if that be the case, where went His body, the one that was buried in the tomb, how come it disappeared after his spirit resurrected?. And how is it that human beings could touch his spirit, see wounds and bruises on the spirit body, and this spirit also ate with them bread and fish?. Please kindly let me know where the flesh/body of Jesus went after just three days in the tomb. Please don't tell me it decayed away. Thank you.

DappaD:
I'm sorry but you lost me @ the bolded words. The idea that there's a spirit living in man is a miscontrued meaning of Genesis 2:7
Genesis 2:7 made it clear that Jehovah God formed man from dust(body) and blew into his nostrils breath of life(impersonal life force). It was only when these two were joined together that a living human being came about. When God created Adam, he didn't put any already existing spirit being inside him. Get your facts right chief.

Bros you don't like reading and researching. Like I said there's nothing I can learn from you like this.
Adam and Eve had perfect bodies. But they were only subject to destruction when they sinned. If God had made Adam and Eve immortal from the start, death wouldn't have had any effect on them whether they obey or disobey God. That's why I said the angels in heaven aren't immortals as well. Satan is a spirit, as well as the demons — they are not immortal. They are subject to destruction. Which will happen after the Thousand Year Rule of Christ (Matthew 25:41,46, Hebrews 9:14, Revelation 20:10)
If Satan (before he turned against God) was made immortal from start, there's nothing God can do about Satan again and that would mean we're all in soup. But as it were Satan has a perfect body, something that Adam and Eve had. And as such, Satan is subject to destruction too.

I think Maximus69 did justice to the remaining part of your comments.

OH Lord!. What a falsehood!.

Who misconstrued the meaning of Genesis 2:7?.you or the Bible's?.

* When Jesus was about to die in the cross, He said, Father into your hands I commit my spirit, so you're telling me that what he committed into God's hands is mere breath, the one you call life force?, can you guys be open and objective in your believes, when it doesn't go your way, it's either you twist it or it's not the true meaning, or some men altered it.

Explain this to me

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.


When God made this statement to Moses in the burning bush, these men where all dead and buried long time before Moses's encounter. Tell me why Jesus will say they're living, to warrant that statement?. If there bodies were buried, how come Jesus refferd to them as living?. Is this living part of them 'mere breath' or life force too'? as you're claiming?.


That your statement about perfect body and immortality is to me an insult to God. So the one who can make the body immortal cannot reverse it to mortality?. What are you talking about?. It then means there's something that God after doing, creating, can not reverse, or put it this way, he's limited.

Angel's are immortal because they are spirits, they don't die. The only person who can destroy that ability is God, likewise the soul of man. Spirit don't die like the flesh does. You say I don't do research, but with all the research you've done, you're clearly against the Bible. The immortality of spirits angels inclusive comes from God, and it's dependent on God. Only God himself has immortality in Himself, everyone else draws it from him. But to say angels are mortals is wrong. If that be the case, tell me their age limit?.

Have you not read Jesus saying, do not be afraid of the one who can kill the body but after that will have no power again, but be afraid of the one (God) who can kill both the body and the soul in hell?. Now I ask you again, do you destroy a life force or the breath like this as Jesus said it if it wasn't an entity of its own?.

Finally, you haven't answered my question.

Here it is again: You said Jesus spiritually, and as such manifested in different forms other than physical body/flesh.

My question is, where went the body of Jesus buried in the tomb after his resurrection, and why was the spirit of Jesus as you called it, touchable by human beings, and having scars and marks exactly where he had them in the flesh upon His crucifixion?. Please tell me this, so that we can know whether Jesus physically or spiritually. If he did rise spiritually, then we should see his body!.

Please tell me what happened as you've done a lot of research. Thank you.

Righteousness89:
I Have been Privileged to get Divine Messages on the Country . Most of the time I Just keep it to myself or I relate it to people around me, only for me to see it Happen. I feel a kind of guilt for not speaking out.

Those of you who can recollect, will remember the Revelation I gave here on Nairaland about my encounter with the late Cos to the President and Certain people who were close to him. I also relayed what I heard him Say. I gave an admonition based on that Encounter and I hope the People Involved took it serious, it is unfortunate if he didn't.

Early This morning July 31st 2020, I saw another one.

Brothers/Sisters, I saw FLOOD. The Flood I saw is not the kind of Flood we have Ever had in Nigeria or Africa. I saw Flood, and this place or state or location was a kind of Highbrow place or State.

I saw FLOOD that made Houses and Automobiles look like toys. I saw Duplexes Merged and soak into Water. I saw the road turn to River or Ocean due to the Flood.
I saw like school were opened again but shut back Almost immediately due to a kind of infection or Something of that Nature.

I Saw Sweet Automobiles become like toys in the Flood. They were swept away like Nylon bag. I saw Children in the Flood.

This is not about What Government should do . This is not about Drainge and all that.

This is a call for the Leadership of the Nation, our Politicians and Everyone to pull out from Evils, Embezzling funds, fraud, Wickedness, Abominations, Iniquity, Sodomy and all that..

One thing I Have Learnt in life is that The Mercy of GOD can avert any Disaster.

This is a time for Us to seek For God's Mercy as a Nation and as a People..

This is a time for us to be Concious of our Soul..

Lagos, Abuja and all Highbrow states take note

My Prayer is that the Righteous ones Be Spared when these things shall be..

I have Spoken!

All who Have Ears to Hear! Let Them Hear!

May God hevae mercy on our land.

It may not be leteral flood though except the Lord say so. But one thing is certain, judgement will befall this country one way or the other.

Let no body begin to compare Nigeria with other nations, different countries have different destinies and based on that, get different treatment. But the righteous standard of God remains the same for all nations.

If God must use Nigeria in this end time, then he will purge it,and that is not a joke.

Kemblaze:
Making a deal with the DEVIL isn`t a bad thing

if you make ttha deal on your terms and conditions

Well i just made a deal with the DEVIL this morning


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The devil is a friend of no body!. His aim and objective remains to steal, kill and destroy.

Make no mistake, that guy is not stupid. If 10billion is what is needed to drag you to hell, he will give it to you, after all that's his objective. It's like committing some fund in an investment in order to get the desired objective.

At the end, you will die and leave everything behind for the trick to continue with another person.

True love tells you the truth, and Jesus Christ offers that true love and life too.

There are no short cuts with God, but in the end you'll realize that the push, labor and sacrifices was more than worth it.

Seek life not death. Jesus Christ is the answer.

DappaD:
Boss Primesky calm down let's discuss nah

1. Primesky : If you stay away from what you don't know or at least be humble enough to ask questions, will they change your name?. Always quick to utter invectives at others.

DappaD : When you tell me who made you owner of Nairaland, I won't quote you again. In as much as I may not know anything, like you said, there's absolutely nothing I can learn from you.




2. Primesky : Before man sinned in the garden of Eden, was there corruption/death of the flesh of man?. Answer the question!.

DappaD : Yes Adam, even though perfect, had a corruptible body.
However, his perfect body was not to decay/corrupt/die until he sinned. When he sinned, he became a slave to corruption. Then he passed on that “enslavement to corruption” to all his earthly descendants including you and I (Romans 5:12, 8:20-22)

Let me put it better to understand. When Adam sinned, he began aging and then sickness and other health issues spawned as well — which corresponds to this “enslavement to corruption” — Romans 8:20-22


3. Primesky : Sin brought death to man and the world at large. Jesus brought life, and was the first to assume this new body by which also he promised those who believe in him that this will also be granted to them.

DappaD : Yes yes you got it. Romans 5:12, John 3:16, 1John 5:13
On the matter of who gets the prize of immortality, that's a whole other discussion altogether.

Jehovah God has been immortal from time indefinite (Psalm 90:2,Timothy 1:17, Revelation 15:3)
Jesus after he conquered the world received the prize of immortality. (Romans 6:9) That's why he is the only other person other than Jehovah who has immortality (1Timothy 6:15,16 , Hebrews 7:15,16)
Only anointed Christians who number a 144,000 according to Revelation 7:4, 14:1-3 will receive the prize of immortality after they have conquered the world as well — 1Corinthians 15:42-54, Revelation 3:21 – so that the total number of 144,000 will rule as kings and priests along with Jesus in the Millennium (1Peter 1:3-4, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 1:6, 20:4,6)


4. Primesky : Tell us, would Adam and Eve have experienced death/corruption if they hadn't sinned against God's word, though they're were flesh. Answer this question before you shake off your head and call others clown.

DappaD : See Number 2.



BOTTOM LINE :
A PERFECT body isn't the same as an IMMORTAL body. A perfect body is not a slave to corruption. An imperfect body is a slave to corruption.
Meanwhile, an immortal body is indestructible and cannot see corruption whatsoever the case. That's why the angels in heaven aren't immortals. If the angels were immortals then it would impossible for Satan and his demons to be destroyed (Matthew 25:41,46, Hebrews 2:14, 1John 3:8, Revelation 20:10)

Good!. I like your civility. This is more like how we should talk.

I'll only focus on your number 2.

You differentiated between perfect body and incorruptible body. Please tell me how that's possible as at the time God made Adam and Eve?. You're saying invariably, that even without sinning, Adam and Eve would have become sick and die as well?, which is not what God said!. Was there sickness to make them imperfect at that time?, when God finished His creation work, what was His own verdict?, He said every thing was good!. Point out one area of imperfection at that time prior to the fall of man?. Sin was the originator of all imperfections. God said, the day they eat of that tree they'll die, as sin will step in to corrupt the soul and destroy the body.

Secondly, God made man as flesh from the dust,and breathed his spirit in man to become a living soul. If man doesn't have that body, he's incomplete, because God made him a tripartite being (consisting of body soul and spirit)

Angels are just spirits, man has a spirit dwelling in a body. If this flesh we now have has been subjected to death and destruction, what other body does man need to put on to be the creature God originally made him to be?. A new glorified body, higher and incorruptible need to be given to him, but that will happen only when the sin problem which has further corrupted his soul has been dealt with. That's what Jesus demonstrated when He rose again from death. If any man dies physically without dealing with the sin problem through Jesus Christ, he does not qualify to receive this new body, he will remain a lost soul to be cast out forever.

Furthermore, if anybody claims that Jesus didn't rise bodily but spiritually, my question to that person is:

1. Does a spirit die, to warrant a resurrection of the spirit?. In the case of Jesus christ, is such a person saying that the spirit of Jesus was killed on the cross and then he rose again?.

2. What was buried in the tomb was a corruptible body lacerated with injuries, blood and scares. If they say Jesus didn't rise bodily, where went that body, as it wasn't seen when the tomb was opened by the angels. Did the angels steal the flesh away, and let the spirit of Jesus to walk about, and this spirit of Jesus has scares and can be touched by men?.

Can you or anyone with the believe that Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead explain the above?.


See, let me tell you. If anyone says that Jesus didn't rise bodily, that person is subtly saying Jesus didn't have the power to conquer death, as the only way to do that is to actually rise with the body death has destroyed. This believe is what the devil strongly promotes, because it puts the Christians authority over him in doubt, which is not the case.

Any spirit, group or organization that supports the claim that Christ did not come/rise in the flesh is against Christ, because that group or person is saying Jesus didn't do what he said he would.

Jesus said -- Destroy this temple (body) and after three days I will rebuild it.

Emphasis on this temple, can anyone, human beings for that matter, destroy the spirit?, no! So he was talking about the flesh, and he did rebuild it after three days, however, he did a more glorious work on this new body making it incorruptible.

Don't let no one deceive you.

Everyday men continue to discover new things. Why and how then do some people quickly rush to say, there's no God?. What have they seen and where exactly have they been to arrive at such categorical assertion?.

We must align ourselves with the word of God and accept Christ for our salvation.

DappaD:
Please how can somebody put FLESH and INCORRUPTIBLE in the same sentence?
You religious clowns won't cease to amaze me

If you stay away from what you don't know or at least be humble enough to ask questions, will they change your name?. Always quick to utter invectives at others.

Before man sinned in the garden of Eden, was there corruption/death of the flesh of man?. Answer the question!.

Sin brought death to man and the world at large. Jesus brought life, and was the first to assume this new body by which also he promised those who believe in him that this will also be granted to them.

Tell us, would Adam and Eve have experienced death/corruption if they hadn't sinned against God's word, though they're were flesh. Answer this question before you shake off your head and call others clown.

This is false. The blind can tell this is evil!.


By this then, we all know what kind of spirit may be behind her preaching as God cannot contradict himself.

Sexual sin is on the rise, guard your soul.

Jesus saves.

Maximus69:
All you just need is calm down and listen to other people opinions on the matter!

Jesus didn't resurrect with flesh, but if you're not willing to listen it's OK, go and continue with your FAITH!

God's word said flesh and blood can't inherit the kingdom of God {1Corinthians 15:50} but Jesus went to heaven with the that visible fleshy body.

God's word said during the resurrection it is sown physically and resurrected spiritually {1Corinthians 15:44} it is sown corruptible but raised incorruptible {1Corinthians 15:50} Jesus live with his disciples for many years but after his resurrection they began seeing different bodies hardly recognisable! John 20:15-16; Luke 24:15-16

So if some Bible scholars now said Jesus was never resurrected with his physical body, that doesn't mean they don't believe in his resurrection. What they're saying is exactly what Jesus himself said about the resurrection of those who will go to heaven, Jesus said they're not expected to continue with physical bodies because they will become like angels in heaven {Luke 20:34-36}
So why did he have to appear in a material body?

Know first of all that his followers have to go and preach about the resurrection from the death in Jesus name, so that can't make any sense if they haven't been convinced that Jesus himself is now alive (in the spirit).
He said he will be with them till the end {Matthew 28:20} so how can they be sure of this if they don't see him again after his death?

Before then, angels used materialised bodies in ancient times have done all what Jesus did after his resurrection. They ate physical food {Genesis 18:8} they can hold people {Genesis 19:16} they can appear and disappear!
So we can say Jesus needed the materialised body to instill in the minds of his followers who at that time still had little faith that he is now alive, but from all indication Jesus only materialised bodies that will sooth each point he wanted to prove. That's why he asked Thomas to stick his finger into the wounds and his side, of course at resurrection, Jesus supposed to have perfect body without wounds inflicted before his death. That's what he himself taught us about resurrection!

You're just confusing yourself. The body Jesus resurrected with is flesh and incorruptible. You even quoted it, yet you're dancing around.

1 Corinth 15:44 is very clear, stop misqouting and twisting it. The Bible tells us that when Jesus shall come, within the twinkling of an eye we in this corruptible flesh shall be changed into incorruptible body, to meet him in the air. It is not a Spirit.

It's not true that Jesus was manifesting different bodies after resurrection, please stop adding to the scripture what is not there.

The question I asked you was, if Jesus didn't rise with physical body, why did he bear the injuries sustained at crucifixion, and why would he present it as an evidence to his disciples?.

The angels of old you talked about that ate human food, did they do so as spirits or in flesh, so what's your point?. Jesus who is Spirit, came in the form of man and maintained that state even after death, but after resurrection, he had a glorified body which is incorruptible.

Go, and read John chapter 20 again. Read from the bigining, after Jesus rose from the dead physically in flesh, the first person to meet him was Mary, he forbade her from touching him, why?. Could she touch a ghost?.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God means a totally different thing from what you're saying. We're all human beings in the flesh, yet some of us are reffered to as spiritual, while others are natural -1 Corinth 2:14.

You cannot inherit the kingdom of God by using the wisdom of men and standards set by natural men. It has to be by the power and guidance of the Holy Spirit, that was why, before Jesus ascended into heaven, he warned his disciples not to go anywhere until they be filled with the Holy Spirit, which he had promised to send, why?. Because he knew they cannot succeed without Him(Holy Spirit).

How come Jesus made this promise, yet you still say that that person of the Holy Spirit doesn't exist?. You don't belive in Jesus then!. Simple!.

Acrobatics01:
Thanks for pointing out lie.

1 Peter 3:18 summarises what we believe in
"Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;" (ASV)


Let's trash more

OH what a pity!. So that's what that passage means to you, right?. What a shame!.

Jesus was crucified as a human being in the flesh by men. But who raised him up, was it humans or God, please don't tell me angels, because angels can't give life. So who did?. Oh, did you enter the grave to shake him up from death or did the disciples?. What power and force raised him from dead.. It is the Spirit of God!.

Stop picking verses and twisting them to suit your false gospel decieving others and being decieved yourselves.

Now explain the verse below for others to see

Note: for better understanding of the context and flow, read from the beginning of the chapter.


John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

If Jesus rose as a ghost or spirit, why did he have to say this?. Since when did humans begin to touch spirits with their bare hands?.

20:20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the LORD.

So you mean that the injuries inflicted on Jesus's physical body permeated onto his spirit body, and this spirit body with the injuries can be seen with physical eyes like the disciples did?, please tell me more, wonders shall never end!.

20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.


Thomas made this statement to signify that its impossible for a spirit body to so display the attributes his colleagues where telling him. He gave conditions which must be met to prove that it was indeed a physical body. Was his condition met?.

20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Jesus himself allowed them to touch and feel him. He even ate bread and fish with his disciples after he resurrected. Does Spirits and ghosts eat human food?. So what happened?.


With all these, do you think we are still talking about the same Jesus?. I don't think so. If you do not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ, you're not witnesses of him nor do you believe in him, and you can't be called Christians either because you demean the person OF Jesus christ.

The problem you people have is that you try to explain a spiritual book using mere human knowledge as if it's a literature book. No man can understand the Bible well without the help of the Holy Spirit who inspired it, yet you don't belive in him, so what are you doing?.

1 Corinthians 2:14 summarizes it.

A natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him neither can he know them because they're spiritually discerned.

Going by the verse above, how can you now discern the word of God inspired by the Holy Spirit when you don't believe in him or his existence?, rather, you choose fallible men to be your guide.

Repent and be saved. Jesus Christ is the way to God, non other way. The Holy Spirit alone is the revealer of God's Word no one else!.

sonmvayina:
2nd Chronicles 7 :14 "if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and confess their sins and forsake their evil ways, I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land"... There was never any need for Jesus, God only ask for a sincere repentance.. No human sacrifice was ever required or necessary...

Jesus has got nothing to do with God.. He was created by the Roman at the council of nicea.. Emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire.. And the result was Christianity.. Educate yourself please..

This is another lie. Please stop peddling half truths.

Why did God institute animal sacrife for cleansing?. Was it just praying?. Did the people of the old testament just pray like we do today without animal scarfices?.

How come only one man could enter the Holy of Holies and that once a year, and he must cleanse himself and sanctify himself with animal blood?.

When Solomon dedicated the temple, why did he have to sacrife a thousand burnt offerings (sacrice) before making his prayers?.

With these and many more, why did it suddenly stop after Jesus was sacrifed/Crucified on the Cross or would also deny that the veil to the Holy of Holies was torn from to to bottom, and those who were forbidden from seeing and entering could from then enter?.

Animal blood was inadequate to cleanse and save the souls of men from sin, a perfect, sinless man's blood was required, and Jesus Christ only qualifies. If you are not yet washed in that blood, your still in your sin, and no other way.

Finally, what did God mean when he told the serpent in the garden of Eden that the seed of the woman will bruise his head?. Why seed and not seeds, who is this one seed?. Is it you, of cause not!. It's Jesus Christ!.

Stop buying cheap lies of the devil and peddling it with pride.

Have you never read that without the shedding of blood, there's no remission of sin, so would animal blood now be sufficient for that?.

Wake up and be saved!.

Kobojunkie:
Actually, I see it as a gain for that person because by disengaging the mind from the lies that these churches are built atop of, one is better able to ask the real important questions and even more likely to be reached by God Himself as opposed to being under the influence of the image of God(idol) that is paraded in the world-churches.

There's a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is death!.

A drowning man can not detate how he should be saved to the savior.

Repent, accept Christ, not religion, and be save.

Dtruthspeaker:
This man's wiring is frayed and has been tampered with, so his outputs make no cognitive sense.

That's your opinion, but it won't harm the truth one bit. Bye

Abia State can do more. When we stop celebrating mediocrity, then we will see true development.

Abia has the capacity to lead in non oil IGR in the entire country. Wake up that sleeping giant!.

There shouldn't be any ethnic divisions in Nigeria whatsoever. All I see is nothing but envy and jealousy.

There's nothing any man can do about a man/woman God has blessed. The best anybody can do is to support and learn from that person or group so that you too can make progress, trying ever so hard to keep them down would also me that you stay down.

To successfully keep a cork at the bottom of the sea, you should be ready to drown, because it will surely float.

Truth be told, the igbos are blessed, and are a blessing to Nigeria as a whole. Other ethnicities have their uniqueness too, but they can't realize it if they only focus on pully down others.

After the Civil War, Nigeria should have at least apologized to the people that made up Biafra. If Nigeria had respected the agreement they reached with them in Aburi Ghana, there wouldn't have been a war.

If the igbos are bitter with Nigeria now, it is understandable, they've not been taken seriously as a component member of this federation, appeasement is all that needs to be done.

You can't make progress by stepping on the head of others, if you do, you will surely crash. Nigeria's progress and unity lies in equity, justice and fairness to all.

Secondly, attempts to separate the igbos from their neighbors in the South will end in futility, many people there are tracing their roots back to the igbos.

For me, I seek the peace and unity of the country, but it should be built on equity, justice and fairness, else, we're going no were forward.

It's a terrible loss for the atheist.

UgoFly:
TITHING AS REGARDS Malachi.3: 8-10

First to understand the Bible & to interpret & apply it for today's Christians we must know the DIFFERENCES Btw OLD & NEW TESTAMENT

We must know dat d Bible is divided into 3 dispensations The Patriarchal, The Mosiac & The Christian Dispensations. We must also know what's written for the Jews, Gentiles & the Church.

1. The Patriarchal age is the age of the fathers frm Abraham to Moses.
2. The Mosaic age is from Moses to Christ
3. The Christian age is from Christ's death on the cross to the His second coming

God dealt with the people in a very peculiar ways e.g. in the Patriarchal age there was no 10 commandments, in Mosaic age God gave them 10 Commandments & ceremonial laws to be obeyed. The Christian age brought in Grace & Truth
The law was our school master to bring us into CHRIST but now faith has come through Christ we are no longer under the school master. (Gal. 3:22-24). 

We're not justified by law (Gal.5:4). Christ is the end of the law. (Rom.10:1-4).
If we're to practice the Old Testament doctrine together with the New Testament there will be lots of confusion as we will be required according to Leviticus 20 to stone to death fornicators, adulterers, witches, wizards, stoning to death a rebellious son Deuteronomy (21:18-21), practice several burnt offerings & sin offerings of different kinds, stone to death those who work Saturday (Sabbath day). (Numbers 15:32-36). 

If a girl loses her virginity she must be stoned to death to death also (Deut 22:13-21)
Women during their monthly period will be forbidden to come to church & so many more old testament practices. But we know that Christ have nailed all these practices & laws to the cross ( Col. 2:14-16, Rom.10:4)

WHAT IS TITHE? Tithes is a practice of paying "one- tenth" of one's income or possession according to the Old Testament

ORIGIN OF TITHES. The first time the word tithe ever appeared in the Bible is in the Book of Genesis where Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek the priest of Salem. Note that Abraham paid tithes as a reciprocal gestures in appreciation/ response to Melchizedek giving food & wine to Abraham's servants on his way back from war. (Gen.14:8, 18-20). Abraham did not pay tithes to Melchizedek from his personal possessions but from spoils of war that he brought back when he went to rescue Lot his brother. (Gen. 14: 21-2 There was no law compelling Abraham to pay tithes to Melchizedek, he did it freely Abraham DID NOT PAY TITHES AS A CONTINUOUS MONTHLY OR YEARLY RITUAL, but it was a one-time event.

TITHES BECOMES LAW IN ISRAEL.
Tithes became a law in the land of Israel when the children of Israel got to the Promised Land of Cannan. God divided the land to eleven out of the twelve tribes of Israel. But to the tribe of of Levi God didn't give any portion of land, rather God gave them the tithes of which rightly belong to God, because of the services he gave them to perform in the Temple of Tabernacle (Lev. 27:30, Numb. 18:20-24) e.g the tribe of Judah where Christ came from are tithe payers, because they collected their own share of the land of Cannan & God Commanded them to pay to their brother Levi- Aaron & his descendants (Jos.15:1-5, Neh.13:12). 

WHOM DID GOD COMMAND TO PAY TITHES & TO WHOM?
God told all the Nations of Israel to pay Tithes from the land he gave Num. 18:20-21). (Mal. 1:1-2, 3:7-12). We must understand that the laws of the Old Covenant & the laws of TITHES in particular wasn't given to any other tribe in the world but to Israel as a Nation (Deut. 5:1-3)

The Israelites were Commanded to pay tithe to the tribe of Levi only No other tribe in the whole world including Jesus Christ & Judah his tribe has any scriptural right to collect tithes ( Heb. 7:5, 13), rather Judah the tribe Jesus came from were tithes payers & not tithes collectors (Neh. 13:12) 

FROM WHAT PROCEEDS DID GOD COMMANDS THAT TITHES BE PAID?.

Many Pastors who are tithes collectors says tithes must be paid from salaries & business profits but the Bible clearly states where tithes proceeds are to be paid.
Tithes were commanded to be paid from FARM PRODUCE of the Israelites be it ANIMALS or CROPS ( Deut. 14:22 Lev. 27:30-31). In which case God has already provided them farm lands (Jos.15:1-3). So there's no excuse for any
Israelite saying "I can't pay Tithes" or "I don't hv a land to farm".
WAS TITHE TO BE PAID WITH MONEY OR FARM PRODUCE ONLY?. God Commanded that money shouldn't be used for tithes payment but FARM PRODUCE ONLY. This is stated clearly & expressly. (Deut. 14:22-26). 

God knows that money was a good medium of exchange but commanded that if all you have to
to bring your tithes(FARM PRODUCE) from a far distance to where God has put his name then you Have to sell the farm product for money but when you get to d place you have to turn the money into farm produce again & eat before the Lord (Deut.14:22-26)
HOW MANY TYPES OF TITHES ARE THERE?
God actually gave commandments to Israel to pay specific tithe for specific purposes

1. Annual or yearly tithe to be given to take care of the Levites- Aaron & other priests officiating in the Tabernacle (Num. 18:20-24)
2. Tithes every 3 years to be given for the general populace of Levites, widows, orphans, strangers & the poor (Deut. 14:22-29).
3. The priests were also commanded by God to pay tithe of tithes to God, that is the priests are to pay tithes to God from the tithes the Israelites have paid to them. (Num. 18:26-29). Note the tithes which the priests will give to God must be offered as "HEAVE OFFERING" not money offering.

DOES THE BIBLE COMMANDS TODAY'S CHRISTIANS TO PAY TITHES?.

We can clearly see from the Bible that Judaism is different from Christianity. The New Covenant is superior & better than the Old Covenant with DOES THE BIBLE COMMANDS TODAY'S CHRISTIANS TO PAY TITHES?.

We can clearly see from the Bible that Judaism is different from Christianity. The New Covenant is superior & better than the Old Covenant with better promises. Heb. 8: 6-7, 2 Cor. 3:6-16). 

Bible says if the Old Covenant was perfect enough there wouldn't have been need for the New Covenant.(Heb. 8: 7-13). The Old Testament & all it stands for were mere SHADOW of things to come but the New Testament is the real image. Heb.(10:1). 

Tithes & all Old Testament Practices & Doctrines have been abolished (Heb. 8:13)
(Heb.10:9) (2 Cor. 3:6-16) (Col. 2 : 14-17).

(Heb. 8: 7-13). The Old Testament & all it stands for were mere SHADOW of things to come but the New Testament is the real image. Heb.(10:1). 
Tithes & all Old Testament Practices & Doctrines have been abolished (Heb. 8:13)
(Heb.10:9) (2 Cor. 3:6-16) (Col. 2 : 14-17).
Christians are not commanded to pay tithes today but to give a free will offerings as they are blessed. No levying of any kind. Give what you have.

BUT JESUS SAID HE DID NOT COME TO DESTROY THE LAW & THE PROPHETS.

This statement must be well understood not taken in isolation & out of context. Luke clarifies this issue better. (Lk.24: 45-49). In effect Jesus was not saying that he came to destroy nor re-establish the law but to "FULFILL" all that were written about him in the law of Moses, in the Prophets & in the Psalm. And Jesus Indeed has fulfilled all the prophecies concerning him, including his birth, death, burial, resurrection & ascension as prophesied. 

Again in Matt. 23:23 Jesus rebuked the Scribes & Pharisees & he said woe unto them & called them hypocrites for over-emphasizing the payment of tithes at the expense of the weighter matters of the law: mercy, judgement & righteousness. 

Jesus was NOT in this instance recommending tithe payment for his disciples & the New Testament Christians He was rightly addressing the Jews who were given the law he wouldn't have said woe & called his disciples hypocrites. At that time Christ will or Testament wasn't yet in full force. Christ will & Testament became fully in force & enforceable after his death on the cross because there can be no testament except the testator dies. Wills can only be enforceable after he who wrote the wills dies. (Heb. 9:15-23). 

So at Christ's death on the cross the law of tithe & other Old Testament practices ceased to be effective. In effect CHRIST became the only standard of faith for Christians today & no longer the Old Testament. (2 Cor. 3:6-14).

Quoting all the scriptures accurately does not necessarily mean that one is correct about God's word.

*Tithing began before Isreal, and before the law.

*On What basis are we going to stop tithing, who said it, and where?.

* If we are to pick parts of the Bible that applies to us as gentiles, what parts would those be, seeing that we also claim the blessings and promises made to the Jews?.

* According to Paul, we the gentiles, were engrafted into the main tree through christ, if that be the case, there can not be any separation between Jews and gentiles as one root and stem supply us all with the same nutrients.

Clearly, after the death of Christ, some things where clearly abolished, and where clear from the scripture. No one will argue about animal sacrifices for atonement of sin and some others.

*How was tithing stopped and who stopped it?.

sonmvayina:
He is an Idol created by Rome.... Has got nothing to do with God..

The Romans attached their fabricated new testament at the end of the Jewish scriptures to deceive the gullible.. And mock the creator of the Universe..

If Jesus is just an Idol, then you're dead and remain in your sins, and have no salvation whatsoever!. How can you even believe that?!.

Having the form of godliness but denying the power thereof. Jesus Christ is real despite the adulterations made by men.

Do t buy 99% truth and 1% lie, before God it's 100% lie.

laiperi:
What were Africans before Jesus and Mohammed - pagans and infidels?

If God actually exit everywhere, there must be God in Africa.

So if you spend your whole life bowing to Jesus and Mohammed enough times in a day, introduced to you so that Europeans and Arabs can put you in chains and ship you out to slave camps, why won't they dominate your culture, socioeconomic and political structure?

You are now on AUTO. You just pass it on to the next generation.

Even captured slaves Santeria, reject their gods and pray in disguise to theirs, African God.

Can Africans wake up since God is everywhere.

So of all the problems plaguing Africa and Africans, bowing to Jesus is the greatest problem. I guess the 'whites' doing it now are also slaves, right?.

See, if there's one prayer we must add to our list of prayer point, it is that God should not allow us fulfill negative professy. It was long for told that views like this would come up in the last days, but who is that unfortunate soul from whom the devil will find expression?.

It was never stated that a man named Judas will betray Jesus, but it was stated that some e will do. Jesus finally placed judment, that it would have been better that the man who will betray him was never born than that he should do that (betray Jesus).

The worship of God is not a cultural thing, except you're doing religion.

Edusteve:
What if Covid19 is the rapture Christians has been waiting for and many Christians are yet to go while sinner's are going?. Since bible said that the first will be last and Jesus came for sinner's too. Please please just for interaction.

It is not!. Sieve your thoughts and subject them to the word of God, bring them to the obedience of Christ and see if they still survive.

IkwerrePikin:
Africa wise up:

You black man, you were living peacefully in Africa, with your kings and cultural way of communicating with God, things were going well, with our traditional powers, we control rain, we cure a lot of diseases, we lived longer and we were organized and very respectful to our elders.

But white man came to our land, enslave us, stole our artifacts and destroyed our kingdoms and cultural way of communication with God Almighty. They colonize us, force us to learn their language, made us dress like them.

They looked at our spiritual life, they decided to bring their bible story to destroy our spiritual life and way of communicating with God. Do you know the first slave boat that left Africa was a catholic missionary boat??

They told us, we have sinned and needs to believe the bible story for us to be forgiven! I asked forgiven from what? What sin did Africa commit to accept the bible story from a white man?? Between Africa and the white man who destroyed our culture and traditions, enslave our people who needs to be forgiven??

This is one of the biggest lie ever told.

This is what the ancient people said before his first coming, but he came. And just like he came the first time despite the doubters, so will he come back again.

Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever.

Jesus will come back again, may he find us ready and faithful.

TeamLeader:
Just curios to know. During a serious and deep worship can a soul depart the body and connect to the higher realm for manifestation? Is it even possible or it is only during the sleep state that soul can only manifest.

Can a soul also leave the body to the realm of the spirit and stay parmanently? Any possibility?

Please share your experience.


Lalasticlala

It's a deep question!. If not carefully explained it could derail.

The body/flesh cannot truly worship God but the Spirit, while you are conscious of the phycal environment during worship, you could get to a point of deep worship where you could feel like a different you is somewhere doing the same thing, that is your body is singing or praying, at the same time you're seeing a different you doing the same thing in a different place. Sometimes with your eyes closed, it could also happen when your eyes are opened, but you're seeing beyond the physical while you worship.

My experience

One day I sat on a chair while worshipping God, I was tired, and wasn't ready for long prayers. So I sat to say my night prayers before sleep. Some minutes after I began to worship, a thick darkness I can never describe. It was so thick so much so that it felt like you could touch it, but I wasn't scared, then suddenly a different me stood up and walked out of me totally unconcerned of who I am, yet I was conscious still worshipping and watching what was happening, but because of the darkness I could not make out if he was wearing anything or any special feature. He walked straight ahead, I saw him stand on a vast expanse of glassy floor, despite the thick darkness, the floor still glowed, so, I knew it must be truly shiny and beautiful, there was no end to it, it estended to as far as you could see. This me walked straight ahead until I could see a stream of pure white smoke drifting from what looks like a platform or throne but I could only see the foot area. But the shocker was that, the me seated on the chair praying wanted to see who and what was on that platform how big it was and all that, but my thoughts couldn't control the other me that stepped out, he was independent, but everything he sees, I see, everything he feels I feel, but I couldn't control what he does. He stopped at some point, went on his knees and began to worship, he never raised his eyes above a man's ankle, so all I could see was that pure stream of smoke. Despite the thickness of the darkness, the smoke was still visibly bright enough to know it's white. It's indescribable.

That experience is just one of so many. That's why I get amazed when people say there's no God. In deep sincere worship, anything can happen, you can see angels singing along with you.

Note, this is not Astra travel. It is unintentional. Sometimes I want it to happen, it doesn't, when I'm not expecting it, it happens. The joy that follows it is beyond description. At the end you open your eyes, it's still you.

Whether that's my soul or spirit I don't know

All I know is God is amazing!.

Acrobatics01:
The texts in bold are all false. Why not get your facts right. It will add credibility to you next time.

That is a fact sir!.

Do you believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead?.

Dannyfan:
I have been faced with many thoughts in the past to question the existence of God but with the society norms, I haven't been able to ask the question.
It was recently, I got to believe that the ability to question God's existence is in everyone mental reasoning and strength. That's why I ask the question that; Is questioning the existence of God a sin?

Take care what thoughts you intertain in your heart. The greatest battle for our souls takes place there. Some thoughts are not yours, but projected by external forces.

This is my own opinion and view on your question, questioning from the standpoint of ignorance is not wrong provided you have an open mind to accept the truth and realities available.

Some times due to hardships, difficulties and unfulfilled dreams people have questioned many things, including the existence of God, like if God exist, why would he allow this and that to happen or continue to happen. Remember, God was there when His only begotten son was crucified/killed, He did nothing as it were neither did He permit any angel, spirit or created thing to act. The ertah protested (earthquake), and the elements reacted (Darkenes). But the process went on. Why?. The almighty had a plan. He's an intentional God, and doesn't owe anybody complete details of why he does or should do what he does, patience and believe is what we need.

It is natural for us to seek physical evidence first before we believe, but he says, blessed are those who believe even when they haven't seen.

The lowest level a man can go is to question the existence of God, believing that he doesn't exist is subtly saying that you are a mistake that just happened by chance and was not intentionally created by someone. Hence, the Bible calls such a fool.

Making a categorical statement and accepting the believe that God doesn't exist, after all evidences provided to you by circumstances, events and most importantly the Bible, is a sin!.

Jehovah witnesses are not Christians. They are two divergent groups.

A true Christian is led by the Holy Spirit, Jehovah witnesses are led by their chief slaves (men), neither do they believe in the Holy Spirit.

Their teachings tend to demean the person of Jesus christ, but without christ, there's no Christianity, how can they then align with us?, no way.

You must be born again!.

Minsk24:
Baba if Sin is the issue, then why did Jesus waste his time to come and die?
What do even mean by sin coz what is sin to a Ghanaian might be acceptable to a Nigerian... So that concept of sin doesn't hold water...
Jesus came and died but still sin abounds, then wht exactly did he die for? Is it nor high time people started breaking free from this religious slavery... Bros when u see the foolishness of religion, u cannot unsee it anymore, u go wonder how on earth u ever believed this concocted story

If the death and resurrection of Jesus is a waste of time for you, it it absolutely not for me.

Sin is universal, it's not defined by tribe or religion. If you ckaimbnot to know the bible, the one who made you gave you a conscience, so no man has any excuse.

If all of these that God did through Christ is nothing for you, it is everything to me.

You're only saying this out of naivety and pride. I tell you, you won't say this if God should open your eyes to see hell for 1 minute, I mean just 1 minute. That you haven't seen it doesn't mean others haven't. Disbelieve it or not, it doesn't change a thing. The fact is we will all get there to meet God. And our choices, words and actions will determine where will go.

This concocted story as you call it, is the very plan of Salvation worked out for us by God himself. That death Jesus died on that tree, is the only life line of many souls from being put into that pit called hell. It's the greatest desire and regret of many souls too who discovered indispensability too late.

It's better you keep quiet and continue your research than to say what you don't know. There's a lot we as men don't know, but for some of us, we have seen things that we can't say it. Man be careful. God is patient and kind, but you don't want to see his angry side. I wish you know.

It's not like if you believe in God, you will pay me, neither are my calling you to my church, but this thing goes beyond religion.

Minsk24:
When i see folks like you, i just dy shake head...
your God only exists in your minds, and its not the status quo, as long as somebody in Born and raised in Hanoi will live his life comfortably without any knowledge of Jehovah, it shows that your god is only present in your mind and not applicable to the universe, abeg what kinda research, can a dying hindu call for Jehovah or Jesus to rescue him? Can a dying Buddhist call for Jesus?... How can you look at the evils of our world today and conclude that there's a univere god out there who's tryna save you? My point is this, organized Religion is a tool masterminded by some people to effect control and shield the truth of our existence....
If only we humans know more about ourselves and the immense powers we can harness..

Are you fighting religion or are you fighting God?.

Nature itself has the answer you need, but it depends on your perspective. Some persons are priviledged to have encountered God. Some have encountered Satan and his minions. Let me tell you the fact. Satan will not borther disturbing a man who does not believe in God, because that man is already where he, Satan wants him or her to be. All the devils, demons and Satan himself believe in God, and where once his servants, then a man says that, that Gos does not exist and all the things said about him are fake and made up. The devil will simply ask, between such and me who is more foolish?.

How do you want God to act before you believe Him?. He should shout from his throne, the universe will scatter if that happens. Or he should appear to you physically, you won't survive it, Moses asked for it, and God said it's not possible, the human flesh can not bear the power and glory he carries. Ask those who have seen mere demons, some went mental.

Take this test:

Every high ranking person or personality you know has someone higher than him. Think.

Now ask yourself, where does this power and authority end, where does it begin?. That person who holds it all is the person I'm taking about. If He is that powerful and mighty, do you suppose to see him, joke about him and condition him to fit into your reasoning?.

The problem we have is that, some of his creations who fell out of grace, are envious and so wicked that they will do anything to confuse us and make us believe lies about Him so as to fallout of grace with him too.

If some persons tell you that yes, he's real and true, and you say no. What will then be your excuse for not believing in him, if you finally get to meet him as we will all do?. Can you say to him, you didn't have enough proofs and evidence, those who believe will simply be a witness against you.

So before you look at us now and shake your head, be sure you are really on the right track, because you will be accountable for your choices. This is not my pastor said this or my religion said this.

The Almighty God is Real despite the multitude of demonic strange gods, and to him we all including the so called gods who are nothing but fallen angels seeking worship account.

Lucifer, who is now Satan wanted to be worshipped as god, so also his subordinates. He hasn't stopped seeking that despite being kicked out of heaven, he even demanded it from Jesus when he came in the flesh. That explains why you have multiple deities claiming god and demanding worship each with its own method, they seemed to have shared the world and its people, more like you take this nation, people and tribe, and I take this. Satan is OK with that so long as the people are not worshipping God himself. Ultimately, Satan will unite all under one religion to worship one god, which is himself. It's a game carefully planned. But God is always ahead, that's why I know it.

Don't doubt the one who loves you bro. He is real.

gensteejay:
Can you go beyond 200 years?

Hope you know coronavirus has claimed the lives of many of your pastors in Christianity in Nigeria and around the world even though they believe the name of their fictitious Jesus can do all things.

That question should be directed to the one claiming to have power over God. After this life, which is nothing but a test, the real life begins.

Those who passed into eternal life, those who failed into eternal damnation. The man who says he has power and knows more than the almight God, should ready himself for that phase.

However, others no passing this test without sincerely accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and personal saviour. It's a legal expo.

frank317:
How can u say life comes from God when people are dying left right center.
This is exactly why the op is asking the need for God. If God is the giver of life why are people of all ages dying? Is he the one taking the life of all these people?

If life doesn't come from God, from who then does it come from, big bang?. The evil we all experience today is so because of sin.

Did you not read it in Genesis how God gave man the dominion and authority over earth, and man by disobedience sold it to the devil?. This is the very reason why Satan while tempting Jesus, told him boldly that all the riches and wealth of the nations have been given to him, the question is by who?. If men then gave that authority to someone whose theme is nothing but kill and destroy, why blame God, so the problem now is that God gave man the authority, right?.

Note, he didn't stop there either. He came down by himself to say hey, children, do this and this, follow me in this way and that, and the devil will not exercise that stolen authority over you, man still says no, it must be my way or no way. Whose fault then?.

When you talk about death, I sense you only limit it to physical death, the most painful and cruelest of all is the eternal death which is still a fall out of the bad choice of man. God took care of that first.

Have you not read, or heard that those who die in the Lord will be raised again?. Was the very son of God not killed, but raised again?. All his faithful disciples went the same way. Does that then negate the truth that God gives life, if He doesn't have that ability how did Jesus rise or how did Jesus raise others like Lazarus?.

First thing first, deal with the deadly eternal virus called sin, else there is no way out, we all sold out to the enemy of our lives, and there's no freedom without the price of spotless blood, a price only Jesus could pay. If you have him, physical death means nothing.

Jesus promised that those who loose their life here on earth for his sake, will find it again, but not so with others. This is the price of life speaking. So focus your anger on the enemy himslwf, not the one who came to save you.

God will not jump his set time, or break His word.Things will continue to go downhill until the time God has schedule to take control, until then, the destroyer will keep doing what he likes doing, which is to kill and destroy, only checked by those who have received Jesus's authority, while the devil make slaves of those who have him not.