₦airaland Forum

Not bad. Ordinary person no fit they fly chopper about and besides its charges both in UK and USA.

If u no eat belleful, wetin u dey find near chopper ?

Oneday82:
See this one, open for negotiation on how much? If you want your business to be negotiated, you must be reasonable with your price. You and I know a clean Title of this care is between 3.8 to 4m and you are telling us 3m on this one with gear issue. OGA fear God so you can make heaven. If you manage sight 2.5 from anyone o boy dive am ASAP for your good, else....

U still went to justify his "negotiable" stance.
Hence ur comment wasn't necessary

chukwuibuipob:
u beta start collecting old naira b4 hunger wire u in that ikotun wey u dey

Lol no CBN UPDATE, NO OLD NOTE

Until I see official cbn or fg response before I will accept that note

Charismatic107:
Cook up borne out desperation? Even after all the explanation? Honestly you need a brain check !

Mr brain checker this is Nigeria...so gedufvck

This is one of the reasons lagos state impound and crush vehicles plying one way. But as insatiable human we are, we groans, complain and others now we have seen the essence.

Rip to the dead.....

Very strict measures should be taking against the menace of this yellow bus drivers. The damage they have cause on the road in lagos state is quite alarming and disastrous

Volksfuhrer:
Much of what karnap wrote up there, I already knew in my primary school days. It's public knowledge.

If you find karnap's opening post very disturbing, you can do your research, refute his claims and set the records straight.

The normal way it should be not ranting

Hmm MM .....cook up borne out of desperation

Anything but alpha beta should be checkmate

Imagine this........omo buhari is giving us a nice parting treatment. We will remember him for the unneccesary hardship he brought on us

GuyWise101:
Nna mehnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Suffering and smiling, what exactly are the kind gestures that the North remembers?

Is it the price of foodstuffs that skyrocketed or the price of dollar.

Or is it the misrule of bulhari that saw the killing of people everywhere?

Is it the naira scarcity or the fuel that is no where to be found?

What exactly does the North remembers?......

Maybe I am sharing country with people who live on the reverse where poverty and poor governance is celebrated.

It’still doesn’t mean Obi would make any difference with the rot in the system. We will end up blaming him, call him names. To fix things or get things back to normal would take more than 8 years.

God bless Nigeria.

Nigeria is confused.

Everyone just Dey do anyhow

limeta:
Yoruba historian
Agbado history
Na so so lie lie go full the write up not even going to bother.

It’s a well known fact that you won’t read it. Hence ur submissions of lies in the write up.
U only spew what you were being told.

It’s long but very educative. You can continue on the link below.

A renowned historian, Prof. Banji Akintoye, tells TOBI AWORINDE that the Awori were the first settlers and owners of Lagos

What is your take on the ownership of Lagos?

When people say ownership, I find that difficult to understand because ownership belongs to the people who first settled in it. And the people who first settled in Lagos — I don’t think anybody is disputing that they are the Awori subgroup of the Yoruba nation. The Awori are a subgroup of the Yoruba, just as the Ijebu, Ikale, and Ekiti are subgroups. Those are the people who first settled in Lagos with the Ijebu close to them towards the North and East and the Egbado close to them towards the North and West. So, I don’t think there is anybody disputing that. In fairness to the Oba of Lagos, I don’t think he’s saying any other group but the Awori are the owners of Lagos because there is no basis for saying that. What he has been saying is that at some point in the history of Lagos — not when Lagos was founded as a human settlement, but many centuries later after Lagos had become a kingdom — people who first settled in these places were not kingdoms; we know that from Yoruba history. We know it from the Edo history too. The first Edo people who settled east of Yorubaland were not a kingdom; they were just a scattered people in the forest. The Yoruba were scattered people in the forest too. It was not until more than 3,000 years that kingdoms began to emerge in these forests among the Yoruba first, then among the Edo, and so on. And it wasn’t until the kingdoms had existed for hundreds of years that the Edo had contact with the kingdom of Lagos and became involved in the royal family of Lagos.

Does that mean there was a kingdom in Lagos before Oba Ado and the Bini came to Lagos?

Of course, there was an Awori kingdom in Lagos before any contact with the Bini. Let me put the story a little clearly. The Yoruba, Edo, Igbo, Urhobo, Nupe, Tiv, Igala, Idoma, and so on, from our archeological research and linguistic research, we believe that though all those peoples evolved along the banks of the Middle Niger up to the confluence with the Benue and that at some point in 3000-2000 BC they began to spread out from there and gradually, the Yoruba, Edo, Nupe, Igbo, Igala, Idoma, Igbere evolved, and so on. People then went out roughly from 3000 to 1000 BC, spread out and gradually occupied the country that became the Aro. The Yoruba, which happened to be the largest of these groups, spread out roughly southwards and westwards and occupied what is now Yorubaland, from the Yoruba in Kogi, west of the Niger, that is, Lokoja — southwards, all the way to the coast, what is now the islands of Lagos and westwards into what is now Benin Republic, Togo Republic and even a little bit of Ghana. That’s the Yoruba homeland. Every group had its own homeland. The Edo had its own homeland, a little smaller than that of the Yoruba, to the east of the Yoruba. And there were no kingdoms; these were just people that were coming as agricultural communities, evolving and getting better. About 900 AD, the Yoruba started to evolve kingdoms; they ruled themselves by kingdoms and the first kingdom to be created was Ife. From Ife, people went out and created other kingdoms in the Yoruba forest. The kings were not the creators of the people. The people were (already) there. So, it is not that the king is the owner of the people; the people were there. A prince would come from Ife, establish a kingdom among the people and become the king of the people.

When you say, for instance, ‘the Owa of Ilesa,’ the Owa of Ilesa did not create Ijesa people. The Ijesa people were there. The Owa of Ilesa came from Ife. Or you say ‘the Ewi of Ado Ekiti.’ The Ewi is not the creator of the people of Ado. The people were there. A prince came from Ife and became the ruler over the people. That’s how the kingdoms were created in Yorubaland. The same thing (in) Benin; the Edo people were there in their own share of the forest and then, according to Edo and Yoruba traditions, a prince came from Ife and helped the Edo to establish the type of kingdom that the Yoruba were establishing at about the same time.

What do you make of the argument that when the Awori came to Lagos, the Benin royalty had established some form of influence?


There was no influence at all. When the Yoruba people came, there were no people in the forest. They took it over. When the Edo came to their own part of the country, there were no people there. They took over that country. When the Igbo came to their part of the forest, they took over the forest. There was nobody living there before them at all. So, there was no Edo living anywhere beyond the Edo forest. It was later, when they founded a kingdom and the kingdom became strong — especially because, then, about 1450, the white man began to come along the coast of West Africa, establishing trade and so on — that the Edo kingdom became rich as a result of the trade because they had a little slice of the coast and a port from which the Europeans used to bring goods and so on. So, the Edo became a major trading people and that’s why they became strong. It was at that time that they began to have contact with other people; it was not before.

Are you saying the Awori kingdom preceded the Bini kingdom?

Of course! There was a kingdom in Aworiland just as there was a kingdom in other parts of Yorubaland. In fact, there were two kingdoms: there was the kingdom of Ota, which was older than the Lagos kingdom.

SUNDAY PUNCH has spoken to a number of Awori descendants, some of whom say the Awori people did not exist as a kingdom until they accepted the Bini royalty who created a form of government for the Awori. Is this accurate?

No, the Awori (already) had a kingdom. We don’t know exactly how it came that the Edo had a part in the government of the Awori kingdom. Apparently, we historians are different from people who tell stories of their parents, their families and so on. I have stories of my own family too. I come from the royal family in Ado Ekiti and I can tell stories and so on, but a historian looks at those stories, interprets them, relates them to stories from other places, looks for any documentary evidence that can be found — archeological evidence or evidence from historical linguistics — and you can put it together and create a story that is nearer the truth than any traditional stories that my parents might have told me. So, what you hear from a lot of people who are telling stories of Lagos are stories they heard from their parents. As a historian, I don’t say there is anything wrong with those stories, but I say they are incomplete as a means of interpreting the history of Lagos State because you have to bring other information that you know.

The information that we know, for instance, broadly, is what I have repeated; the various peoples of the West African coasts, especially the eastern parts of the West African coasts, starting from the Igbo in the east, to the Ijaw, the Yoruba, the Ebira, the Nupe, the Igala, the Idoma, and so on, all took possession of their part of what is now Nigeria at roughly the same period of history. Sometime before the fourth millennium — that is about 4000 BC—they started to take over those territories and the Yoruba went all the way to the coast. They came to the coast not only in Lagos; they came to the coast in what is now the Ilaje country, the southern part of Ondo. They came to the coast in a part of Ikale and in Itsekiri. The Itsekiri are Yoruba. So, the Yoruba were in all those places. Later, about the 9th Century AD, the Yoruba began to evolve kingdoms. That was a new development in their political history. So, kingdoms arose all over Yorubaland — and towns. The kingdom of Lagos was one of those Yoruba kingdoms that evolved from about the 9th Century AD to about 1600 AD. So, there was a Yoruba kingdom, that is, an Awori kingdom, in Lagos. There was an Awori kingdom in Isheri. There was an Awori kingdom in Ota which is believed to be the oldest.

Lagos was an Awori kingdom, but many centuries later, the trade with Europeans on the coast made the Edo kingdom of Benin strong. They became interested in the trade along the coast, so as to be able to take more part along the coast. It was at that time that they first came to Lagos. And they were not the first people to come to Lagos to take advantage of the trade. The Ijebu, the Ilaje, the Ijaw and others came. So, there was nothing different about them (Edo).

First of all, there was an Awori people who occupied the coast — I want you to be clear — from about the fourth millenium BC until about the 9th Century AD. Among the Awori people on the coast on the island of Lagos, there evolved a kingdom, one of the Yoruba kingdoms evolving all over Yorubaland. About the same time, the Benin kingdom also evolved in its own part of the forest. It was not until many centuries later that the Benin kingdom had contact with the Lagos kingdom. To make it a little clearer, if the Lagos kingdom evolved, say, in the 12th Century AD, which was about the same period the Benin kingdom was evolving in its own place, how do you then say that it was the Bini who then came to create Lagos kingdom. They didn’t create Lagos kingdom. The Awori people created their own kingdom. That’s the truth of the matter and we know the names that they had in their traditions as the founder of their kingdom and so on. But in about 1600, now with Benin a strong and rich state from the trade, they came into contact with Lagos and we don’t know exactly what happened. There are all sorts of stories. Some people say, ‘The king of Benin came and conquered the Lagos kingdom!’ There is no truth in that. There was a large Benin trading community in Lagos, just as there were large Ijebu and Ijaw trading communities in Lagos, because Lagos was becoming attractive as a place of trade. So, according to the stories that we historians hold to be nearer the truth, there developed a succession dispute between two Awori princes for the throne, and somehow — it’s not clear — the Edo community assisted one of the princes and it was in the year 1600 AD.

How can you say categorically that 1600 AD was the year this happened?

We have something that a German, who was a trader in Lagos in 1603, wrote about war in Lagos. He didn’t say that anybody came to invade Lagos. He said there was war in Lagos, and so, we historians say that is the succession dispute that became a war and the Edo community helped one prince against the other. And the Edo community became, in some way, part of the governance of the Lagos kingdom.

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Do you think that willingness to help one of the princes was because of the economic gains by the Edo?

No, apparently it was some general sort of thing with people helping whatever side they wanted to.

So, it wasn’t about political or economic dominance?

No, not so much. So, about that time, the Edo became involved in the royal family of Lagos and a lot of Edo traditions and cultural accretions then came. For us to be able to study the history of our people, we historians have to be able to read the archives of other people. So, I had to study Portuguese, a little bit of Spanish and Italian because we need to be able to read (their languages). These people came to our land so we can go after the little bits of information they had on our land in their archives, in their countries. For instance, a Portuguese trader in Lagos in 1533 mentioned Ijebu Ode. So, I had to go and read it there. He said, ‘From this point, about 10 leagues to the interior, there is a large town called Geebou’ — that is Ijebu — ‘and it is surrounded by a great wall.’ Ijebu Ode has one of the largest city walls on earth. It already had those walls by the time this man, Pacheco Pereira, came to Lagos in 1533. So, the duty of the historian is to try and tell the people our history and what we know about Lagos history is that it became a great trading centre; people from all sorts of places, even people from outside what is now Nigeria — Ajah people from places like Epe, Ouidah, Allada and others came to Lagos to trade too. It was as a result of that that the kingdom of Badagry emerged in about 1730.
Having said that, there are certain things that I must say: first, all this talk about Edo and Yoruba as if they were different and hostile is not true. The Edo and the Yoruba were very culturally close. In fact, until the 20th Century, the information at our disposal as historians is that the Edo and the Yoruba didn’t really see each other as different people; they were just one people: Edo people all (were) over Yorubaland and Yoruba traders everywhere in Edo. According to one of our historians who has studied the matter, even the palace of Benin was bilingual for most of its history.

What languages were they speaking?

They spoke the Edo and Yoruba languages. And according to the Edo and Yoruba traditions, the royal family of Benin is part Yoruba, part Edo. A Yoruba prince went from Ife and helped to create a kingdom. We Yoruba don’t say, ‘He went and conquered Edo.’ The idea of conquest is attractive to young people. But the historian knows that things don’t always happen by conquest. No doubt, he (the Yoruba prince turned Edo king) was a great warrior because later, he went and created another kingdom in Yorubaland; he was the same prince who went and created the kingdom of Oyo Ile in the north of Yorubaland, which became the centre of a great Yoruba empire: this (the prince) was Oranmiyan. And when he had settled down, he said he was going home and he had a son who was old enough to be king — some young man, maybe a teenager — he asked them, ‘Make this one your king because I’m going to my own people.’ That is the tradition we have from both Yoruba people and Edo people. The oldest writing on it was by Egharevba, an Edo historian, in the 1920s. He wrote that the man came, helped to establish a kingdom for the Edo people because they were fighting one another when he came. He made some people friends, subdued those who were troublesome, created a kingdom and later left, leaving his son who was of a Benin woman to be their king.

So, it’s all mixed up and this story of Lagos — the Yoruba and the Edo do not see each other as different at all. They think they are just one people and there is a lot of intermixture between the Yoruba and the Edo. The Yoruba monarchical system is actually what they adapted. Yoruba and Edo culture and arts are all mixed together. The similarities are very profound. I think what we should be talking about really are the similarities and closeness, rather than trying to create a picture of divergence, difference and conflict. Between the Edo and the Yoruba, there was no such thing.

There were large numbers of Edo people in many Yoruba towns. I can sit here and tell you the Yoruba towns where there were large Edo trading communities. In Akure, Ado Ekiti, Owo, many of the towns in Akoko, there were large Edo trading communities. And then, in Benin, there were large Yoruba trading communities there. The two peoples intermixed, so if an Edo became king in a place, it didn’t look odd to the people. The king of Ikere Ekiti can claim to come from Benin but he doesn’t talk about it. He’s the king of Ikere and he doesn’t make the type of noise that we hear in Lagos. Or do we hear the Oba of Benin saying, ‘I was originally from Ife.’ He’s too busy exuding the pride that ‘I’m the king of Benin’ and I think that’s what the king of Lagos should learn to do — behave like the other kings from the Yoruba or Edo worlds who happen to be ruling among people who might not be originally ethnically their people but who are ruling among them and are therefore one of them.

So, it’s all mixed up and this story of Lagos — the Yoruba and the Edo do not see each other as different at all. They think they are just one people and there is a lot of intermixture between the Yoruba and the Edo. The Yoruba monarchical system is actually what they adapted. Yoruba and Edo culture and arts are all mixed together. The similarities are very profound. I think what we should be talking about really are the similarities and closeness, rather than trying to create a picture of divergence, difference and conflict. Between the Edo and the Yoruba, there was no such thing.

There were large numbers of Edo people in many Yoruba towns. I can sit here and tell you the Yoruba towns where there were large Edo trading communities. In Akure, Ado Ekiti, Owo, many of the towns in Akoko, there were large Edo trading communities. And then, in Benin, there were large Yoruba trading communities there. The two peoples intermixed, so if an Edo became king in a place, it didn’t look odd to the people. The king of Ikere Ekiti can claim to come from Benin but he doesn’t talk about it. He’s the king of Ikere and he doesn’t make the type of noise that we hear in Lagos. Or do we hear the Oba of Benin saying, ‘I was originally from Ife.’ He’s too busy exuding the pride that ‘I’m the king of Benin’ and I think that’s what the king of Lagos should learn to do — behave like the other kings from the Yoruba or Edo worlds who happen to be ruling among people who might not be originally ethnically their people but who are ruling among them and are therefore one of them.

If you’re ruling over the kingdom of Lagos, you’re a Lagos man and that’s the most important thing. The fact that you came from Benin is not important really. If you’re the king of Ikere, you’re the leader of the Ikere people and you don’t start to behave as if there is a dichotomy between you and the people you rule. Listen, the kings of Britain are from Germany. They don’t talk about their being German. That is the way the world is. I think that it’s a pity that in Lagos, people are talking about these things. It is of no importance. What is important to the world is that you are the king of this great city of Lagos.

What are your thoughts on the argument that Lagos is no man’s land?


https://punchng.com/lagos-belongs-to-awori-the-bini-met-them-there-akintoye/?amp

Fahdiga:
Real Lagosians wants one of their own in Rhodes Vivour to lead them. All these stories from beer parlour won't save Sanwo.

And who are the real lagosian cuz many of the lagosians that I know are not even vying for Rhodes. Their comment is if sanwo olu must lose. Jandor should take over.

And for the record. The damage and tribalism that has been employed into this Rhodes mandate is forcing almost all the Yoruba to want to vote either sanwo olu or jandor.
Politics is about selling your candidate to the people and not insulting an entire race cuz you want your preferred candidate at the helm

laiperi:
Most of them were not and have never been slaves. Ajayi Crowther ship was captured on the sea and returned before reaching slave plantation.

English or Portuguese names were not different from Muslim names given after they have been converted to Christianity or Islam.

It was a pride to have Christian or Muslim names throughout Africa. Christians and Muslims, foolishly, still take pride in it today as first or last names.

Most Yoruba know their Yoruba family name and more important, their ORIKI. Any Lagosian without ORIKI or Yoruba names is not from Lagos.

How many original indigenous people of Lagos state has oriki. Except the few ones. Mostly the Aworis. The Lagos island family mostly don’t. And

Op most of the foreign names are those who were returned from the slave trade.

Okpeke22:
No body is a foreigner in his own country, you can't use the word foreigner to describe a citizen of Nigeria in Nigeria. The Igbo may not be indigenes of Lagos but they are citizens of Nigeria of which Lagos is part of.
The constitution grants every Nigerian the right to own both movable and immovable property anywhere in Nigeria and that gives him the right to political decisions.

The Igbo isn't dragging Lagos or any state of the South West with you, it's their right to decide who they align with. If you aren't comfortable with that, mobilize more people to defeat them fairly. These intimidation and gaslighting won't work.

Mind you too, those of you quick to remind the Igbo of 1967/1970 should know that things have changed. The Igbo weren't afraid of you then and now still won't be afraid of you.

You sounded reasonable and logical until the bolded. Is it really necessary?

the history no add up.


Everyone can digest this not me.
Aworis and other tribe like the Egun’s and other tribes from both Ogun state and other parts are originally the first settlers before the bini invasion of Lagos. And his arrival was on the island not the mainland.

Imagine!


If we are to get it right. To plan for election no suppose cost u pass 10 to 20million Naira.

No need to travel by air just use the road

Political office is now looking like a king palace where juice is being served😔😔😔🥺

rummmy:
the governor of Delta State bears ifeanyi,former governor of Rivers State bears rotimi amechi but that does not mean they are Igbo or Yoruba respectively..
There is obi of agbor,obi is an Igbo word but agbor is not an Igbo town according to the Nigeria history.

Bro, it’s a two different thing. When we talk about name it’s totally different from title which practically doesn’t embrace “changes”

OBA of Benin is not something u can put in comparative to a mere name of a person it’s a a paramount title which no one dare share. To read and understand the history of Lagos


Pls read here (mod pls this is for education purspose sir. Make I no chop ban o)

https://punchng.com/lagos-belongs-to-awori-the-bini-met-them-there-akintoye/?amp

rummmy:
Not true...
The binis owns Lagos....initially.
But now it is a no man's land .
That is why tinubu from osun was a governor of Lagos State ..

If you claim bini owns Lagos. Then I give u this assignment why is the paramount ruler of bini Oba of bini referred to as “OBA”? which is a Yoruba language


Bini never own Lagos. To own a community back then is by survival of the fittest more of what Fulanis were doing back them. Come to ur Land conquer you and take over.

According to history trade was already going on in Lagos before the bini invasion in Lagos.



It shall never be well for those who took history from our academic curriculum

Merch:
Yar’adua would have been worst since he was doing all obasanjo’s biddings

Can u list Obasanjos bidding yara duo carried. Out ? By going against his pump price ? Etc

So far that same bank wit collect it after it circulate then it’s not big deal. We don’t need CBN statement to make it legal anymore

Fut9ure:
Please why are yorubas telling the igbos to leave lagos

The so called lagos is owned by the Binis

The Binis were the people who named it eko

Please before you quote and insult me


Ask elderly ones in your family probably your grandparents

Or rather take a walk to any of your monarchs and ask them they will tell you the history

You can tell the binis to go n take it. Why come here to make unnecessary stance.


Just gather ur bini people to go n take it back.


Too many toddlers with fone on Nairaland

U can’t end Nada no matter how Experience you are.

God forbid bad thing

Strangebuttrue:
Let's forgive him, he is a comedian

This is the only justifiable response to calm Nigerians 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

Earoland finally won. After lots of attempt with yayi. 😂😂😂🤣🤣


LP really cause issue this year for APC O

Olabukola11:
With the result seen so far in Lagos, if true and authentic I am afraid Sanwo Olu is not returning as Governor of Lagos State.

ILP and PDP will likely use this opportunity to form alliance for the soul purpose of ousting him.

I am afraid and I pray this did not happen.

Why pray for it to not happen ? With the show of stupidity in Lagos and other. U think youth won’t revolt ??

Shun violence but use ur pvc to do the right thing

KingMack:
Oh God of creation, direct our noble cause
Guide our leader’s right
Help our youth the truth to know
In love and honesty to grow
And living just and true
Great lofty heights attain
To build a nation where peace and justice shall reign..

This had been compromised a long time ago.

Let’s leave it like that

BossGerald:
Oga you're looking reality in the face and you're here shouting propaganda.

Go to BBChausa on Facebook, use Google translator and the caricature they make with tifnubu, an average hausa man prefers kwankwaso and Atiku.

Stop living in delusion, there's no vote for tinubu in the north.

Vote OBI2023

Am more exposed than all the rubbish posted up there.

Was Tinubu the creator of Opc ? Loads of lies up there and u want me to believe those ??

I belong to the top ruling class family hence I am well informed and exposed. But then like I said am not rooting for any of them. They all have their dark past but I just pray the best man wins.

Cest ‘ fini

See lies up there. Though am no supporter of him but the lies is just too much. Anyway he is getting the same dose he served GEJ. Too much propaganda during elections. Smh for this country