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[quote author=Adedeji250][/quote]Why not go back and read all "all4naija's" post on this topic and summarize what he's saying or trying to say other than criticizing without good reason or point before quoting me. If you can't do that then go 4/< yourself.

@ Op, so you simply registered on NL today to tell us this? One month from now we go leave house commot for you be that!

Emperoh: Hey guys,

Are we not derailing this topic?

Can we set up a thread discussing the land documentation topic and enlist Lawyer's help?

I Agree with you so guys lets face the original topic at least as soon as teacher Spyder post a reply!

@Kopell: yes, mine is federal (Aboru and if I recall very well the only thing I did at Alausa was the Survey, everything else is done or sent to The federal office in VI.
Thanks for the call too and shading more light on this.

Hope we answered some of your question (guy asking of fees/payments?) if not, lawyer has an already existing topic/thread here that did.

Now back to the original topic! Spyder where are you oh?

all4naija: What are the different sizes of the bedrooms? They seem to look small.

Guy its too early to smoke whatever you're on! Are you at the site or on your computer? I don't know what they call it where you're from but here on Earth we call it pictures and they tend to be smaller than the real object, person, or house/project. It won't fit on your 14" monitor if its the real structure!
Bottom line, I don't know what problem you have with Spyder, NL, or anybody here but you seem to always trying to start something! And don't even tell me its a simply question cux its a d*€% one.

I can't recall what the advert was back in the days but I know it ends with "A trial will convince you"

kopell: @Prince_onx you remember I told you before you leave for Naija to process your C of O it worst when it's come to Governor consent in Lagos State. When I get home in evening I will try to post the consent fees by location of land in the state. Men if you no push envelop it may take for ever, or your file will get lost in the system oh. This is why many people keep building without C of O. I have a case that still pending in Alausa after paying all the official fee at one point the file got loss. When my partners get to the OGAs at TOP the file resurface, that was two years ago, still didn't get it yet my brother. This was after pushing the big envelops oh.

Bros you are very right! I also tried seeing what I can do or where I can get it to before returning to The States but things are way different in naija when you're on the ground. You force yourself to do some kind of magic for things to work or be like it is in the western world but no way. You sit with someone today and schedule a 12 O'clock appointment with them the next day and 3 hours later, they're not there! Only to call you maybe around 4pm to know if you can still turn around from your way home or come back tomorrow. I ended up handing everything to my lawyer and honestly, I'm not even comfortable saying something's or intended process here about the whole process and this were advises from both mine and my late Dad's lawyer.
On the positive side though (hopefully) is that my land is a federal land not state so according to my lawyer and process so far I am getting a C of O which they/lawyers claim is quicker, easier, cheaper, and faster than a governors concept (can someone confirm this claim pls). All the same, I'm praying, hoping, and keeping fingers crossed!

bugmenot:

@kopell

Very interesting. It's probably a little bit of a risk but I know a number of people who have built houses without obtaining governor's consent especially because of the cost and wahala involved. Truth is that if the process were more straightforward and transparent, more people would be more interested in obtaining governor's consent.

I am one of those folks you're talking about. Project already at roofing level with first two flats downstairs completed and occupied. You are also 100% right on the process being crazy! Mine in the US (deeds of assignment/title) took about 21 days from processing all the way to delivery in the mail and all the paperwork was done and signed between me, my realtor and my bank rep in less than 2 hours.

chinosxl: Oga spyder,

I beg, i need u and ur client help here. I'm trying to see if you can get my German/foundation done as soon as you complete ur current project. Since ur client is building in P/H you guys should be able to assist me.

I have been told to pay #228k for "State Govt Approval" for my building plan and #185K for (2010, 2011, 2012) tax clearance. This fees just keep coming, i haven't started building but i have spent close to 1M on fees alone. Oga spyder, please ask ur client if he had to pay this fees before commencing on his duplex. My plot is fenced and gate recently installed. Can i proceed with Foundation/German floor before paying these fees?

Fee details below in Naira currency.

State Govt Approval

1. Processing fee 20k
2. Fencing permit 8k
3. Approval fee 30k
4. Administrative fee 60k
5. Inspection fee 25k
6. Site analysis fee 30k
7. C of O application fee 10k
8. Letter of undertaking 25k
9. Insurance 10k
10. Charting fee 10k
11. Logistics fee 50k
12. Tax clearance (2010, 2011, 2012) 185k

What a country! There's always one useless and stupid names or the other when it comes to paying fees in Nigeria. My biggest issue with this is that even the people that work at this government office can't even explain what this fees are. I collected/got a list like that when I visited Nigeria for the processing of my C of O and when you ask what some of the fees especially those that sound alike (site inspection, site charting, site approval, building approval, construction approval) they simply tell you that "Oga everybody dey pay am or your C of O no go come out" smdh!!

somalia11: i brush my teeth 2 times a day, before bed and in the morning. I floss my teeth at night. I use an electric brush and change the head every 3 months. i also rinse my mouth in the morning and night with mouth wash to strenghten my enamel and kill any bacteria. I stay away from going downtown on women.

Every single day? I'm happy for you oh!

blank: I don't mean to sound confrontational. Hope you can take some constructive criticism.

I guess this what people meant when they said your budget was near impossible. Cutting cost is good but over prudence is not.

I may not be a "builder" but I have had first hand knowledge of a mini estate built in PH. Foundation will have to be reinforced cos of ground water and you now know the cost. Enugu doesn't have such issues but PH and Lagos always need such consideration.

No need for insults cos I just expressed an opinion. We are all learning and I enjoy following his threads.

Your comment is right on track and I don't see any confrontation in it. In situation like this I simply sit and watch! Also from experience, the block/brick part are really not where the main cost go to! Don't be shocked that all block work to even roof will cost less than N1.2 so, we'll see!

OilSubsidy: @Spyder, Here is a suggestion. Never reveal your budgeted amount for any building until the end. This will serve to avoid all the scrutiny by experienced and not so experienced builders and of course they may well have valid points where a huge differential is likely to occur.

Just teach us and show us cost implication and at the end you can have something like this

Initial Agreed Amount to build house = X Million
Actual Amount to build house = Y million


We, your student are here to learn about the 'costing' and 'bill of materials' required to build a house and not necessarily the 'Agreed' budget of a particular building. This way you are not under unnecessary pressure to satisfy us even if it is at your own cost. Transparency is what matters.

What you suggested above is some of the reason why we have big problem in Nigeria. Folks (especially in power/government) want to keep people uninformed and just wake up one morning and announce this crazy amount which runs in billions with capital B lately. Every project both house, school, hospital, just name should come with a budget! That's how it's done in civilized places and that budget is an estimate! Close estimate from someone that know and have knowledge of what they doing and in most cases, it goes up a little or you save a little. While in Nigeria, you see someone with N3m laying a foundation for a story building of 4 flats and end up not finishing the house or struggle to roof it half way. A friend was quoted less than even half the real price/cost of his project simply bcox his uncle claim/said he will be discouraged to build if giving or quoted the real cost. Now he's involved in a project way bigger than him for years now! This is also common among my people (Igbos). There are so much uncompleted mansions in my village while some of the owners live in 2 rooms or face me I face you in Lagos and when they visit home they stay in their fathers house. Anybody planing to kickoff a project such as this need to have a quote/estimate ad also need to bear in mind that for the most part especially in naija might go up.

cycline404: Call CArd... That is ridiculous...

Don't just call it a call card! It's about 400,000 naira worth of calling card. Abi that amount no plenty for your eyes?

ifekon: Hapi bdae Sweerie

this your "bdae" be like say na "die" you type oh! da+e= daaaa-eeee All this una new dumglish sef

adelaja70: You are very correct...my office is close to where the robbery took place. They terrorised us almost everyday,they even [b]killed a man [/b]early this year when they were trying to rob a lady of her car. I support jungle justice abeg.....

@redsun: I guess you missed the quoted post.

redsun: I am saying that even chimps in the wild settle scores among themselves without resulting to that kind of brutality. Don't tell me chimps are more rational than nigerians that can do such thing,like you,maybe.

You were singing my song until that word "maybe" came in. There's no maybe in it! I will burn you and even blend your remain if any if you rob me. There is no single reason for armed robbery take it or leave!

redsun: Nigerians develops backward,mentally and otherwise. How could their fellow citizens have just been roasted alive for just mere phone? Mind you,they had the chance to kill the woman when she tried to stop them,but didn't because they ain't exactly killers. Just fundamental deprived as a result of evil leadership that has plagued Nigeria since it emergence as a nation.

Can you please summarize this BS in one line? Are you saying stealing or robbing people is Ok as long as they're not killed? Or robbery is allowed if its a small item like phone or recharge card? What do you do for living by the way? Should I guess? Cux you seem to know what they should have or could have done!

And what a blank is molestation doing in my statement?
@mod: Rap e is an English word and its allowed to speak or use even in public! Ok?

Eze Promoe: [color=crimson]I can still marry Rita Dominic under two conditions, and that is, I will be allowed to play with my secondary school/university babies and osusu keeps buzzing in my freaking account

Happy Birthday Rita [/color]

She said I should tell you that not even in your dream! Don't ask me cux I don't know what she meant either. Just a msger!

When robbers are killed, punished, or people take laws into their hands:
This is sad! This is bad! This is barberic! this is barber! Jungle justic! Not again! Nigeria this! Nigeria that! Oh my God! Oh your God!

When armed robbers attack, rape, and kill people:
Where is God! Where is police! GEJ this and that! Nigeria bad! Nigeria this! If its the western countries! If its the southern countries!

Why do most of we Nigerian, African, and black folks like to eat our cake and still have it?
I hope and pray none of you or your family fall victim to armed robbers then you will realize its more than just being behind a computer monitor and type what comes to mind.

Fhemmmy: Money go come.

Amin ni oruko Jesu!

Fhemmmy: Go away oh, u no be my friend again oh . . . Lol, well, if that was the reason why we are not updated, it is well but hope it is not cos of those that aint go nowhere and yet making life hard for him on this thread

We both know and will agree that people will talk regardless what! My favorites are those that inform you first that they know nothing about building a house before condemning what they don't know. Moreover I think we've all really acquired a lot of knowledge (FOC) from Spyder to build our homes. Na money I need now lol!

Fhemmmy: Would be nice to know how much has been spent so far . . . i really want the old Oga Spyder back oh, that one gives us cost, pix and update on a regular basis, this one don dey fashi us too much oh

I am happy he's no longer able to give updates on daily basics like he use to! To me, that's sign of being real busy with contracts and work. Enugu today, PH next week, owerri next month! thats good. Still, he represents well in my book. I can not keep you guys posted as he does/do even if you pay me. Once a week cost summary is good enough.

Hope some of you poster know we have kids here! They're not suppose to see certain things

Policewoman: Was he kidnapped?

You tell me! You're the policewoman.

TTBlog: Is it not good that he is feeding well?

Eeeemmm, No. It actually mean he's not eating right or healthy.

Seun and his mods, its better you set up some kind of age requirement to join this site or a section for Gold-members or something!
How can you sensor someone's username? You allowed it in the first place when he registered and now when someone quotes the user, it appears as something difference! You guys own "I.T.K" too much ohh! Smdh!

Bleep U: This girl and Tonto Dike confuse me sometimes

Is better you remain that way! And that your user name, back at you.

Someone sent this to me and thought I should share with you guys! I think this is true for the most part! What do you guys think?


If Mandela were a Nigerian, wrtten by Okey Ndibe:

If Nelson Mandela were a Nigerian, he would never be treated in a hospital within his country. God forbid! At the slightest sign of ill health, he would be airlifted to a hospital in Germany, the UK, the US, France, or Saudi Arabia. Any Nigerian doctor who comes close to him – much less touches him – would immediately be arrested and charged with treason. An SSS interrogator would ask the hapless doctor, “You dey craze? So you wan kill de man?”

If Mr. Mandela were a Nigerian, not only would he be in a foreign hospital, he would commandeer an entire wing of the said hospital. No government official would ever give Nigerians updates on his progress or prognosis. Hell, no! In fact, the only statement the government would ever issue is to deny that the man is hospitalized. Some spokesman would insist that the old man went abroad on vacation, to get some well deserved rest. You see, Nigerian officials – from the president down to the municipal chairman – are fond of boasting that they’ve “totally transformed” Nigeria, this or that state, or this local government area or another. Yet the last thing these human transformers would ever do is take a vacation in the country they’ve ostensibly transformed!

If Mr. Mandela were a Nigerian, a league of pastors and imams would take to the press each day to tell us what “God” allegedly told them about the man’s condition. One pastor – or imam – would say God told him to warn Nigerians to pray interminably and fast furiously to ensure the ailing elder’s survival. Another would declaim that God confided in him that Mr. Mandela did not hearken to some divine instruction – and so was put on Saint Peter’s list of guests to expect at the pearly gates. Yet another imam – or pastor – would declare that a clique of witches and wizards had descended on the sick man, determined to doom him. If he’s to survive, he must personally contact the clairvoyant imam or pastor to receive special instructions on how to win the spiritual warfare.

Mr. Mandela is a man of comfortable means. He made a modest fortune from advances and royalties on books as well as earnings from his work as a widely sought, handsomely rewarded speaker on lecture circuits. He also received a Nobel Peace Prize that came with a handsome sum. In a word, he’s worked – and worked hard – for his money.

Now, if Mr. Mandela were a Nigerian, he would be considered a capital fool for working at all to earn money. To work hard would make him nothing less than a mumu, a Nigerian parlance that suggests somebody is a step or two worse than a fool. No, he would simply announce himself, Obasanjo- or Anenih-like, as a major “stakeholder.” And then, pronto, some currency tap would start gushing cash onto the deep pockets of his agbada. (Which reminds me: if Mr. Mandela were a Nigerian, he would not be permitted to sport those silly shirts he’s seen in. With those shirts, who’s going to be able to tell oga apart from his houseboys? He must exchange them for an endless line of lavishly embroidered agbada, accentuating his image as a human god).

If Mr. Mandela were a Nigerian, he would have enough cash stashed away in foreign vaults to make the Forbes list of the world’s billionaires. Heck, Nigerian civil servants who manage pension funds are billionaires! Yet – like most Nigerian billionaires – he would not be in a haste to alert the editors of Forbes to the size of his assets. Heh, it’s not worth the trouble; who wants to be playing hide-and-seek with armed robbers and kidnappers? He may not confide in Forbes, but a Nigerian Mandela would be the proud owner of numerous oil blocks. He would be entitled to a “security vote” that nets him, at least, a billion naira per month. He would own mansions in several European capitals and resort locations. He would own private jets, his own private army (otherwise known as thugs), a university or two, a private cathedral or mosque, controlling shares in several banks, and enough high-priced cars to run an automobile dealership.

Mr. Mandela is an enlightened man, a towering moral figure who commands respect around the world, a lawyer, author and reader. Yes, he has the stamina to put in the months and years it takes to write a book. And he is capable of staying still for hours or days to read book. If he were a Nigerian big man, he’d love to have a book or two to his name – but the content would be cliché-riddled speeches written by bored, ill-educated and often cynical amanuenses. As for reading a book, perish the thought! A friend of mine once told a joke about one of Nigeria’s illiterate moneymen. According to him, this mind-ravaged rich man laughed at people who, behind his back, whispered that he was unlettered. “I can read,” said the traduced businessman. “I only care to read the amount on my checks!” That’s what a Nigerian Mandela would learn to do.

If the legendary Mandela were a Nigerian, he would not be addressed simply as Mister. On Mandela’s first visit to Nigeria, he was awarded an honorary doctorate degree by – if my memory serves me – the University of Maiduguri. Since then, Nigerian newspapers and magazines as well as broadcast media have taken to addressing the global icon as “Dr.” Mandela. In the Nigerian media’s imagination, by bestowing the prefix “doctor” on Mandela, they have somehow enhanced the man’s standing in the world. What would the man be without this generous beneficence from Nigeria by way of Maiduguri?

It’s conventional wisdom in Nigeria that titles, however hollow, matter. In many quarters, the quality of a person’s mind is of no consequence. What matters is self-advertisement, buttressed shamelessly in the adornment of antiquated, silly honorifics. So we went from addressing people as Chief (which has no meaning, really) to calling them High Chief, Double Chief, or Double High Chief – terms that inspire embarrassment on behalf of those who flaunt them. If Mandela were Nigerian, he would be identified as Triple High Chief (Sir) Barrister Nelson Mandela, GCFR, Tigbuo Zogbuo 1 of Igboland, Aare Baba Dudu 1 of Yorubaland, Alhaji Magajin Biu 1 of Hausaland, etc, etc. He would be overfed, weaned off his sprite, sportsman’s physique. With his kind of figure – a flat belly and all – you can’t even aspire to become a local government councilor in Nigeria! Day and night, his staff and harem would ply him with pomo stew, cow leg pepper soup, pounded yam and egusi washed down with six bottles of lager per session – until he’s appropriately fattened.

If Mr. Mandela were a Nigerian, his claim to being a hero would be put to the ethnic test. Only members of his ethnic group would consider him an exemplary man. To others, he would be an object of ambivalent response: a hero today, a villain tomorrow, depending on what he’s said on what issue.

If Mr. Mandela were a Nigerian, he would never have spent more than one week in prison. Why, the traditional rulers from his district would have gone as a delegation to his jailers, apologized on his behalf for his unruly opposition to the apartheid machinery and pledged that they would ensure that he show appropriate respect to constituted authority. He would then be released – cameras clicking to capture the moment – to the “royal fathers,” guarantors of his docility, quiescence and submission to the powers-that-be.

If Mr. Mandela were a Nigerian, he would not be an ex-president, but a president-for-life. His kinsmen would have hired a dibia, babalawo or malam to cure his “madness” when he decided to step aside after only one term as president. A Nigerian Mandela would not be subject to any constitutional limits on presidential terms; the constitution would be subject to him. Any part of the constitution that runs counter to his whims and caprices would be instantly amended or – better still – ignored.

To make a short story long, if Mandela were a Nigerian, then the man and his stupendous moral capital would not exist!

otokx: Was a soil test done?

Naija don't even have accurate human blood test results you're here talking about soil test! So if result no good, you ask omonile to refund your money?