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TheGoodJoe:

I always rated Mikel. Xabi Alonso was in the EPL when over three seasons, Mikel was the pass master of Chelsea. A coach might decide to drop Mikel because he does not like his style, however, Mikel had a lot of impact. Leave all this walk into squad.

Saying that Ramirez was key to the Champions League win over Mikel, shows that you did not follow the game closely. Mikel was the king that night. The gods of football held a beacon of light over his head and Mikel shone for the World to see. It was him. John Mikel Obi.

You mean the Guy that Scored the Important Goal that Sent them to the final is Less Important? the One who provided the assist to Drogba is Less Important?. This is nothing but you being highly Sentimental.

tbaba1234:
Iniesta

” I get asked a lot who the best player I’ve faced is. It’s John Obi Mikel. I only wish I was half the the footballer he is”, Iniesta posted on his official twitter handle @andreiniesta8.

And Ya expect Me to Believe that, You must think me gullible . Show me any Reputable link which is not from Nigeria Proving this qoute

TheSuperNerd:
You said if Oriol could bench mikel... Then how could mikel be world class...

I replied saying, How could Pepe also be world class when Varane kept him out of the first XI for a good period under Mourinho...

And Pepe made Sir Joseph1013's world class list...

Well I wasn't the One that brought Analogy into the Argument, You Pro-Mikel isn't world Class player did when you said he has Outlived all Competitions In Chelsea hence my Example.

TheSuperNerd:
A Long time ago on one of our threads..... A moniker remarked, "WHEN WATCHING BARCELONA I HAVE OBSERVED THAT YOU WON'T SEE THE EFFECTS OF BUSQUETS IF YOU WATCH THE REST OF THE BARCA TEAM ON DISPLAY BUT WHEN YOU CLOSELY WATCH AND OBSERVE BUSQUETS, THEN YOU SEE THE WHOLE GAME


Same could also be said of Mikel while at Chelsea... #fact

Na wa oooo.....

You guys have started again, Busquets is Widely Regarded as World Class player, that's why Barça don't play well without him, Same Can't be said of Mikel, Show me When football Fans and Players(who are not his teammates) have regarded Mikel as a world Class Player.

TheGoodJoe:


I have made enough points explaining why Mikel is World Class. If you can disprove the points or say that they do not make him World Class then I will listen. Mikel was key to a successful Chelsea dynasty.

Has there been anytime when you could Comfortably say "Mikel will walk into Any Team in this World", He hasn't been better than Busquets,Alonso,Schweinsteger,Scholes,Pirlo that's without thinking.

I am pretty Sure Ramirez was key in that Champions League win, was he a world Class Player?

TheSuperNerd:
Under Mourinho, Varane kept Pepe out.

At a time, Mourinho even said, "Pepe has a problem... And it is Raphael Varane"

And yep, Varane has the talents to "become" but "not yet is"

Think that was when Pepe had that Long term Injury.

No where did I say Varane was World Class neither was Mikel.

tbaba1234:
Mikel would not play that role in Leicester. He is probably more creative than the whole Leicester midfield. But, Kante was immense last year. But the current Leicester team will not win the league even with Kante.

I think you didn't watch drinkwater last season, that's why you are making these assumptions.

enomakos:
how many game did oriol play for chelsea sef?

My Point Exactly, During his short Spell before his Career defining Injury he Made Mikel sit on the Bench for Close to 4Months. The Point is ya don't Call someone World Class because he Outstayed players past their Prime.

daveP:
oga.... do you have a problem with my emphasis?


I know that well and even Yaya is worth mentioning if it's about another league+ UCL



Eto did nothing in EPL worth hype

Yaya conquered only EPL but never won the UCL in an English club jersey.....

Lolz how Convenient for You to Count Eto time In Epl when he was Clearly past his Prime. Call me when Mikel is a Key Player in 2 treble Winning squad.

TheSuperNerd:
Funny analogy. Using this I will say, "wouldn't put a player like Pepe who was benched by Varane as World Class"

Varane has the talent to become World-Class. I don't remember Varane keeping Pepe Out, it was the other way Round. I get your Point though.

edi287:
Mikel will definitely go down as a legend and one of our best midfielders ever, but he certainly was never World Class. Talented yes, but I'm sorry, he never got to a world class level at his peak. I agree he was a bit underrated in England, but no way in the world was he world class. I don't think there was ever a time in his career he was a top 10 CM/DM in world football.

Take Cover Sir, The Pro Mikel is World Class Group would soon be here.

joseph1013:
Iniesta is washed up these days. The Iniesta of 2017 is no longer the Iniesta of 2010.

Kroos, I don't know. He's lost his touch and regularly underwhelms these days.

Aguero would never be on my list, same reason Higuain would never be there. He's sh*t in Argentina, and this season he's been a shadow of himself in the Cityzen's colours.

Yeah, let's replace Ramos with Boateng. I wonder how I missed him.

I agree age has Caught Up with Iniesta but same Could be said Of Zlatan and Godin.

Still a Great list tho.

tbaba1234:
I think the problem is that Mikel was not flamboyant and did not get numerous goals, that is why he is underrated. Mikel outshone all of his competitors and sent them out of the club until Conte came. He was probably the best player on Chelsea's most famous night. He does not get the credit he deserves..

Some even suggest erroneously that he was a bench warmer. Very few players maintain Mikel's kind of consistent appearances at the top of the game for up to a decade. I have no doubt that if he did not go to the Olympics, he would have been part of Conte's team.

And Yes, he is world class. Playing at the top level for that long proves that. When I say top level, I mean champion league level for a decade. He is not Sanchez or Messi or Ronaldo but in the defensive midfield role, he proved himself as one of the best in Europe at his best.

Wouldn't put a player who was benched by Oriol Romeou as World Class.

joseph1013:
World Class is a relative thing. My definition of a world class player would be somebody, who CONSISTENTLY wins games himself for BOTH club and country. You have to be super consistent to be world class. Left to me, there are only a handful of World Class players in football right now. Thinking at the top of my head, I can't count more than 20.

Goalkeepers: David de Gea, Manuel Neuer, Gianluigi Buffon

Full backs: David Alaba, Marcelo

Centre backs: Thiago Silva, Jerome Boateng, Mats Hummels, Pepe, Diego Godin

Defensive/central midfielders: N’Golo Kanté, Sergio Busquets, Luka Modric

Wingers: Eden Hazard, Neymar, Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi

Strikers: Luis Suárez, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Robert Lewandowski

In fact, it is possible for the players on my list to be debated, but what that means is that there are even less world class players than I thought.

It's criminal not to put Iniesta,Kroos and Aguero . Would Replace Boateng with Pique/Ramos tho apart from that I think the list is fair.

daveP:
I'm glad you admit to the experience of Mikel which as you say is unrivalled at the moment that none of the raves of the moment can even shut him out of the team for now. Good!



Now if he isn't world class as you say, and he I still at the top of the ladder, standard till now, then doesn't that mean those under him; other SE Footballers are simply mediocres? Well



As for the other names mentioned, they didn't conquer England at the same time UCL while they were around. Emphasis on EPL and UCL.



7 coaches come and go and still use you in their style of play(Conte's kwanta with Mikel going to Olympics), to me that's legendary and world class.



He might be shadows often times, but undoubtedly, he is world class.

Maybe Because the Other Names didn't play in the EPL and UCL at the same time? Pretty Sure Eto was a Key Player when Inter Milan and Barcelona won the treble?

enigmaticmotik:
Was it lack of competition that made him to last that long in Chelsea When players like Ballack was begging for his wages to be cut to remain in Chelsea Look at the caliber of players he has displaced in the team Makalele, Essien, Diara, Ballack and even other promising talents Benitez that was a big critic of Mikel during his Liverpool days, benched Mikel when he first came, but immediately he used him and say how technical the guy was... End of story. Remember when Benitez left for Napoli, Mikel was the first player he tried to recruit.

Try watching that game against Spain in the confederations cup (better still, watch the highlight on YouTube). Mikel is a legend, midfield maestro and a great footballer which can make him stand tall among his peers. World class of the highest order unreservedly..,

You Mean displacing players past their Prime Is a tool for Choosing a World Class Player? Using this Logic, Matic is a World Class Player?. Essien and Ballack benched Mikel during their Prime tho

Napoleon55:
you should have told us all along that u don't know the meaning of ''world class'', or that u have ur own customized divination of world class , that would have saved us a lot time trying to lecture u. Did u actually said somewhere that our golden generation hasn't come. Kontinu

People Have different Meaning to the term world class, But There are None in the Super Eagles . Go to Red Cafe or any other Reputable Football Forum and Say Mikel Is a World Class Player and see if you wouldn't be laughed at.

Napoleon55:
another potential world class player,though some folks here will try to argue it.

Super eagles presently have 2 world class players and 3 or 4 potential world class players.

Super Eagles have two world class player who are they Please?. Seems Your definition of World Class is pretty Loose

Kog45:
Yea very ideal striker for Pep coz am watching man city vs Swansea now,Gabriel Jesus is good and solid.He had a good first half with a goal.

Seems Like a WC Prospect too, would Love him at Barca When Suarez and Messi retire . Although His Hype reminds me of the One Rashford was getting. This One Just seems Authentic.

safarigirl:
Kelechi should just find a coach in a smaller team who is more interested in building a great striker than buying ready made

Give it four years and City will be back with a ridiculous amount once he's the finished product. I hope he turns them down for Liverpool then

No doubt, Nacho Has all the Talents to be a Top Striker. His Case Might Be like Lukaku's(IMO Nacho has a better Ceiling tho) if he Moves to a smaller team.

But seeing as he rejected the Chance the move to Porto for City, I don't think he will make Make the Jump Next Season.

Chanchit:
No, Messi fan.

Still the Same. Move to the Messi thread Fanboy.

Kog45:
It seems all this while Pep was waiting for Nacho to prove a point in d absence of Aguero,but he failed to impress impatient Guardiola,this prompted Pep to continue using Aguero until arrival of Gabriel Jesus.
The arrival of Gabriel Jesus has put Aguero on d bench and Nacho out of d match day squad.

This. Iheanacho Simply failed to Impress Pep. Remember the Match against Man U in the Fa cup when i said he was Poor, the Goodjoe was Saying he had a 9/10 Performance.

Most People Are Blaming Pep and GJ but nacho should be the One taking the blame because he didn't Impress Pep when he was Given the Opportunity, For Pep strikers are More than Goals that's where GJ is everything Nacho Isn't. He is an Ideal Pep striker.

TheGoodJoe:

By far. Gabriel Jesus was far ahead of Sterling. No competition. Both of them (Sane and Gabriel Jesus) eclipsed the guy on the pitch.

Your first comments suggest Otherwise, ya were clearly trying to bellitle Gabriel Jesus performance. When in fact he had a 9/10 performance.

TheSuperNerd:
Top Top Top post......

@bolded.... Exactly my stance from the beginning. He can become that super hybrid monster in the final third. Rohr, coach of our Super Eagles sees this in Nacho but at club level, Nacho needs a coach who will "help" build upon what Pellegrini saw when he said,

"Iheanacho is a striker but he's much more than a striker.... He's also a fine finisher but is more than a finisher... There's a whole lot more to his game...."

Nacho should re-invent himself yes... I'm sure that's what he's killing himself doing at the Man City famed training ground. But he needs a "coach" too..... By that I mean one who believes in him and sees him just as he is.... "A super talented Soccer sensation from Africa that can go on to shake the world like Weah did".


Do people think Nacho isn't pushing hard and stepping up his self-re-invention when he sees week in, week out how his compatriots such as Victor Moses and Alex Iwobi are turning out fine performnaces as "Super Regulars" for top flight teams in Europe (England to be precise)??

Time will tell...... For now... Nacho... Just see this as part of your challenges. No one can take the beastly talents you have in you. Not even Pep's deliberate blindness to your talents.... Your time shall come.

Best Comment On this Nacho issue so far. He needs a Coach who believes in his ability, but am afraid Pep ain't that Coach.

Sir Goodjoe might disagree but Nacho should have left this January on Loan.

dejiWEST:
For me, it has to be TECNO L8+, it's about 31k and the phone is good.

Even Ordinary l8 is 45k+, bro stop saying what you don't know thanks.

TheGoodJoe:


What is did what was asked of him? Na wa. Are you saying Guardiola asked Sane to do more than Gabriel Jesus? We played three forwards today. Sane was by far the star. Stood out. Go and download the match highlights. The few clips you will see will convince you.

Gabriel was second best and Sterling was third.

Sane was faster and worked harder. Created more scoring chances than Gabriel Jesus. Sane was far better. I doubt you watched the game. If not you will not argue this.

I agree with you that sane was better not just by miles. According to your logic was Jesus far better than Sterling? Some sites will give the MOTM to Jesus, Sane or Sterling because they all played pretty well.

Watched about 60mins of the Match, that should be enough to Make an opinion that Counts.

TheSuperNerd:
Just for that bolded....

Added that to make your opinion a valid "unbiased" one?? Not working Sir....

https://wapgroups.com/pics/funpix/RIOGpyA7Z675GoKLxM6O.gif

Had to add that, don't want people coming for my head.

Your eyes are sharp though

TheGoodJoe:
I hope you posted that for another and not me. I wish you can play Sane vs West Ham and see the Gulf in class. If your not doing that, you are totally missing the point of my debate.

Sane was miles better. Do you agree?

Miles better? He was better(which is debatable) not Miles better. I think Jesus did what was asked of him, pressed well, tracked back,had a goal and an assist.

Don't know about you but that consistute an 8-9/10 performance.

Most people are getting touchy about Gabriel Jesus because it detriments nacho chances. But we are looking at a balon d'or prospect here.

TheGoodJoe:
Where Gabriel Jesus clearly stands out from Iheanacho is his work rate to retrieve the ball. He clearly wins the ball more than Iheanacho but... Later in the game, Sane did that even more than him and worked harder.

Maybe, that is what Guardiola wants, an attacker who can defend.

Also, Gabriel Jesus gets himself involved in the game more than Nacho. He drops to the midfield and the wins at a faster rate.

Sorry but can you state the difference between Work rate and Pressing seems a bit confusing

TheGoodJoe:
Attacking wise, Iheanacho is faster than Gabriel Jesus. Iheanacho moves with far more pace from the midfield into the attack. I doubt that is a debate.

Iheanacho is a better passer. Gabriel Jesus does not look as composed as Iheanacho when he drops deep. Although he made some electric passes earlier in the game.

Gabriel Jesus can not press as hard as Iheanacho. Sane had to cover him in doing a lot of that. Something that hardly happens when Nacho attacks for City.

Iheanacho has more stamina and plays with more intensity.

As for finishing. With what we have seen in the last few games, Nacho is ahead of Gabriel Jesus in finishing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X45C6EobA10

Someone should Watch that and Reply this guy.

TheGoodJoe:
Back from watching the City and Hull game. I was more interested to see why the buzz about Gabriel Jesus. I wanted to make an unbiased view.

My Verdict:

Gabriel Jesus is not worth the hype. Maybe with time working under Guardiola, he can become a formidable attacking weapon. Until then, I think the hype should reduce.

Leroy Sane outclassed Gabriel Jesus in every part of the game. Even tracking back and pressing. Leroy Sane showed far more intelligence and skill. Dribbled better and made cleaner passes.

Although Sane is longer at the club and Gabriel Jesus is still blending with the league. Until then, I hope the hype cools down.

Seems Guys here are Pained, Your Biased is clearly visible all over this Post.

Gabriel Jesus Pressing was what even impressed me. Better than Aguero IMHO.

Most People will not Agree but he is Clearly Better than Nacho who i rate a lot.

bykebyke:
Hopefully Sevilla lose

Don't see this happening, even with 10 men they have equalised and are dominating the game.