₦airaland Forum

Wow, another bull's eye!!
Nigeria used quota system and man-know-man to push the competent Igbos out which destroyed its economy, but thank God our people have succeeded in taking their expertise abroad, to sane climes where merit and skills are appreciated.

Igbo Amaka

Benevento:
show me one decadence in osogbo, and I would show you x3 in Onitsha, Owerri and Aba.

I dare you.


waiting.

How do you expect him to show you one decadence in Osogbo when the entire city is rustic decadence personified

Obamaofusa:
Either you are the only Igbo who deceives himself like this or you are delusional like ojuku because all your elders said that Igboland is dead and gradually becoming a desert.

Before Nigeria your people were seriously backward. When Nigeria was formed, Igboland still remained backward.When each region was left to show how versatile they were,Igboland was the most backward that your ancestors began to run to Ibadan which was the most developed place in Nigeria even more than Lagos then.

I do not have to argue with you because everybody including World bank,UNDP and NBS know that Igboland is the poverty capital of the South while Yorubaland since the creation of Nigeria continues to grow as the richest region in Nigeria.

You keep spewing crap back to back
Igboland is dead or becoming a desert in what sense please? With our cities are expanding at a rate never seen before and many Igbos, especially those in the North relocating home? Take a look at urban centers and rural areas, they look lively and exotic unlike yours that look rustic and godforsaken

Lol, your region was developed before the coming of the white man only to be looking like settlements straight from the 17th century now

Lastly, your land is actually deteriorating if anything. Only Lagos is expanding. Even the airport arebe was building in osobo has been abandoned and overgrown with weeds while all the SE states are about to have viable airports. Owerri, Enugu, Asaba, and P.H all have relatively busy airports while Anambra, Abia and Ebonyi will soon complete theirs. Yet all the so-called airports in the SW are dead except Lagos

oyatz:
You are just lamenting and projecting your frustrations which unfortunately is not related to the topic under discussion.

1) Awolowo had left the Gowon Regime before the Indigenization decree.

2) The policy did NOT take place in one day or one month as been falsely propagated but over many years.

3) The policy was about the NOT sales of any company but opening up the ownership structures of the companies for NIGIERIANS (not just the Yorubas as been spuriously portrayed by silly tribal bigots).

4) Trading in the shares of these companies which were compelled to list their shares on the Nigerian Stock Exchange is a continous process such that those who didn't buy Firstbank or West African Larfarge Shares in 1975 were able to buy them in 1983 or 2002 etc.

5) Igbos, Ijaw, Efik,Fulanis, Berom, Yorubas and indeed ANY Nigerian who wants to buy shares in these companies can do so.

The basis of accusing the Yorubas in this matter is borne out of ignorance.

Lol, stop being smart by half. All you wrote there are half truths meant to decieve the unsuspecting.

1. You claim that Awolowo had left the Gowon government before the Indignization decree was passed into law? Awolowo had already forwarded the budget and forcast for 1972 fiscal year before resigning. Again, don't you know that policies can't be implemented immediately they were hatched? For the Indignization decree to have become law by 1972 means that the idea has been deliberated upon and the memo passed much earlier! Have you forgotten or don't you know there is what is called bureucratic bottlenecks in government? It is evidently clear that Awolowo was the one that pushed for Indignization decree!!

2. Of course yes, you're now getting it, Awolowo presented it to Gowon much earlier!

3. Yes, NEPC act was aimed at transferring ownership of foreign companies operating in Nigeria to Nigerians. Now, consider this, a devastating war was fought in the East and it just ended. Worse still, those from the East who survived the war, had all their accounts frozen and a measly 20 pounds given to them regardless of whatever thousands or millions they had in their accounts prior to the war. As if that was not enough, they all lost their jobs! So how on Earth do the architects of that Indignization decree except the Igbos to be involved in the process when they were totally emasculated?? The conditions that were attached that had to be met before one could participate even made it obvious that the objective was to totally rout them from having any stake in the economy.

4. Your point here is another attempt to decieving gullible ones. Lol, is buying and selling of stocks no longer a standard procedure for companies that are listed on the stock exchange? You sold companies in 1972 and thereabout during a time a section of the country couldn't participate. A particular section bought most of it and formed the chairman and board of directors then is there anything left? Shares that were later sold were obviously minority ones.

5. Another half truth. A company can decide not to sell its shares or just sell little. Other Nigerians buying insignificant shares later on makes no difference because the deed has been done, except on rare occasions such as during bankruptcy or takeover.

The basis for accusing Awolowo and his cohorts for those crimes is 100% in order.

oyatz:
Did you read the screenshots at all?
It just corroborated what I have been saying that the decree provided to Nigerians to participate in the ownership structures (not the same thing as sales or take over of any company as been spuriously portrayed by IPOB propanganda).

There was no part in the article on the decree mentioning Awolowo or the Yorubas taking over any company.


Igbos like all other Nigerians face economic problems on daily basis and I don't know how this is caused by Awolowo or the Yorubas.

Of course, I read it and it was nothing short of criminal disenfranchisement of a significant portion of the country!

Or do you need me to explain the import of that decree so you can understand it?

Sure, Nigerians are facing chronic economic challenges that were self inflicted. It's even the more reason why past evil policies that brought us here in first place ought to be revisited.

Any person who is unbiased and honest will definitely agree there was carefully orchestrated evil policies that were aimed at criminally emasculating the Igbos. It began in 1967 and still persists even today!

lionshare:
I suggested you reread the initial attachment. You cannot put the blame on Awolowo when your attachment clearly shows he’s in opposition to the government in power. Why would anyone want to empower his/her enemy?

I think you should blame Gowon if you honestly think the policy did not favor your people.

Also, it’s possible for you to air your thoughts, feelings and opinions without maligning the characters of others. We can have conversations as to the beneficiaries considering those actively in government as at then. Who was the finance minister then?


Ps: thanks for the decorum

At the first highlighted part, what are you even talking about here? What do you mean by Awolowo being in opposition? At what point did Gowon's government become an enemy to Awolowo?
Records have shown that Awolowo joined the government of Gowon in 1967 and was the defacto Vice president! He was a key figure in that government from 1967 till 1971, and before he resigned, he already prepared the budget and forcast for 1972! I have attached a file that leds credence to that, they are excerpts from his resignation letter!! Gowon always listened to him and never had issues with him. So who was enemy to who??

Neither am I absolving Gowon, the two of them connived in doing it, but Awo was no doubt the mastermind!

On the second highlighted part, if you're observant, you will clearly see that I have been polite to those who are civil while I don't entertain the juvenile delinquents. Check from page 1 and you will see it.

Obamaofusa:
You can call it anything you like but Zik started it by turning Yoruba man founded party,NCNC to an Igbo dominated party.That is sheer tribalism and a gun powder ready to explode if NCNC had won the premiership of the Western region.
Nigerian elites did everything to be independent
of the whites and it would have been foolhardy of the Yorubas at that time who were more educated, more advanced and exposed and also believed that they can do better than the whites( they did not want to be under the whites) to allow other people or person who did not have a history of greatness,good governance or any palatable traits from their history to rule them.It would have been a disaster for the Yorubas if God in His magnanimity had not exposed Zik for who he really was....a staunch and unrepenting tribalist...
Thank God for Awo because Yorubaland would have been backward like Igboland.
Zik and his gang eventually showed their fangs of nepotism, tribalism and longthroat when they killed the leaders of the Yorubas,Hausas and Midwest and left theirs unscathed.A leopard can never change its spots.Goldfish have no hiding place.

This is a load of crap!
When NCNC was formed, Macaulay was the chairman while Zik was the secretary. The leadership naturally fell on him after Macaulay. Zik was the most influential nationalist during the push for independence and was equally charismatic. Which drew lots of followers to NCNC across ethnic divides. Lagos was the capital then, and Zik was based there. Most of the candidates, if not all were Yorubas. Same time in the East, a minority was about to become the Eastern regional premier. Only for Awo,the father of tribalism in Nigeria, to resort to tribalism and cheap blackmail when he lost out. He told his people to cross-carpet to AG so he could gain a majority through the back door.

What Awo did is quite shameful and despicable but to people without honour and dignity, he did right. He laid a very bad foundation and primitive politics that torpedoed Nigeria's chance of nurturing a healthy democracy.

Lol, are you not making a mockery of yourself by claiming to be developed when the SW is still so backward?

In what area or sector will you claim to be better than the SE or Igbos despite the serious handicap we had to overcome?

Stop hiding under Lagos to claim greatness because the last time I checked, the SW minus Lagos is a dead zone. No single airport is viable in the entire SW except the ones Nigerians use in Lagos. Your cities are nothing but glorified slums that are disturbing and not fit for modern human habitation. Purchasing power is so low in SW that people had to live in terrible and dilapidated houses.

Check out Owerri, Enugu, Onitsha, Awka etc. and contrast them with Abeokuta, Oshogbo, Ibadan, Akure, Ogbomosho etc. Also, check our villages/rural areas and compare with those rustic and derelict villages/rural areas that litter SW. Even North is doing better than SW in both rural and urban areas living conditions.

Stop decieving yourself because there is absolutely nothing to gloat about in the SW, it should even be an embarrassment in the grand scheme of things. SMH.

wizzakosh:
Truth, who is saying it. A demon OSU man hahaha.

Well, I don't take you people serious since the day you came here to shout how US armies came to buy fighter jet at aba.

Igbo and truth haaaaaa.

Who takes people that use themselves as sacrifice materials to worthless gods.

Who takes people who feast on human flesh serious,
Who takes people who kill their parents for money ritual serious.


Haaaaa

Look at this one, Nigerians know the tribe that bury their Kings with life humans known as abobaku

Nigerians know that Soka forest (a place where the largest single cache of skulls were found) is located deep inside Yorubaland.

Nigerians know where the menace of ritual killings is worse off, where skull mining is seen as a lucrative profession

Hahaha, very funny indeed. The joke is on you

PVision2020:
[s]All you (and your ilks) do all day is open threads full of lies to malign the yorubas but when your obvious lies get busted and countered with facts you either resort to insults or run away like a stubborn goat only to return to open another hatefilled/lie mongering thread against your nightmare the yorubas.

Don't you have shame?
Why do you choose to always make a foool of yourself?[/s]

Very typical of you and your type. You're here judging me and saying nonsense but your brothers were busy insulting me yet you turned a blind eye.

I wouldn't expect anything honest from a hypocrite.

DEROX:
you said akintola too comitted sucide noo he was killed by igbos in 1966 coupwith ahmadu bello the reason why north hates igbos till today and never made them rule

Stop lying through your teeth, I never said Akintola committed suicide!

Show me where I said that if you're not a lier?!

lionshare:
This is tantamount to military government empowering Awolowo, who is a perceived enemy considering his preference for democracy. Let’s be rational!

What are you talking about? Awolowo was the head of the economic team and the defacto vice president during the regime of Gowon! They weren't at loggerheads at all. The role he played in the government of Gowon was very similar to the role Ngozi Okonjo Iweala played in the government of Goodluck Jonathan. No significant economic policy would have been implemented without it being their brainchild or at least recieving endorsement from them.

If the Indignization decree was done in good faith, it wouldn't have been implemented at that point in time, considering how crucial it was and how a significant part of the country would automatically be disenfranchised! Let's be honest with ourselves and accept to the truth.

oyatz:
You are weaned on falsehoods and propanganda with deep seated delusion of persecution.

No company was taken over by any tribe.
The decree mandated Foreign Companies to allow Nigerians to buy into the ownership structures of these companies.

The indigenization policy actually started with small scale enterprises (similar to what Ghana is doing to Foreign Traders now in 2020) which stopped Lebanese, Europeans &Indians from operating retail shops in Nigeria.

It only reached the stage of Multinational companies around 1975-79.

Lies and more lies, but I will always counter you guys with verifiable facts.

You claimed no company was taken over by any tribe but that's fallacy, lots of foreign companies were actually taken over by the Yorubas under the guise of Indignization decree.

Now look at the following attachments and see man's inhumanity to fellow man in full glare.

As you can see, over 1000 foreign companies were affected!

Now look at the second attachment and see the stringent conditions that would totally ensure that Igbos never got involved especially bearing in mind that their bank accounts were confiscated and the maximum each person got regardless of whatever thousands or millions he had prior to the war, was a measly 20 pounds!

masseratti:
the man you quoting has been debunked so many times,, he is irrelevant, leave that topic, ok let me help you lets agree they commit suicide, happy now? You win.

Lets face your topic that you formulated lies about the purpose of this thread.

Utter denial in the face of hard facts!
Changing of goal posts!

Well, whether you accept or not, truth and facts are stubborn and will always come back to haunt you.

anigbajumo:
[s]Only s daft people will beliv such malicious story, it's for mentally unbalance people with no mental strength like you.... Lateef jakanded now added Makin 4 prominent Yoruba people that committed a suicide.... It will not be well with people that manipulated ur brain like this... [/s]

I checked the rubbish you wrote but couldn't find any sense in it.

Next reasonable person please!

Osaze007:
If you claim “igbos have bought it back”

Then why the long wailing

Don't get it twisted.
The aim of the thread is to inform Nigerians, especially the younger generation about why and how Nigeria was reduced to its present sorry state.

masseratti:
i don't dwell on speculations, i was not there when Awolowo or Akintola died, nor do i have their autopsy results to know the cause of their deaths, if you have it kindly provide it.
What your post is about is what we can all verify with facts, we have given you facts to your erroneous misleading post counter it with facts not speculations or rumors that is not verifiable.

Hahaha, very typical. They will ask for facts, but when you provide it, they turn around and call it speculation.

Someone, I mean a Yoruba elder who was there when it happened narrated the events and even mentioned names of the culprits who were alive then! Did they challenge him or deny it? No!

But this one is here asking for the autopsy to be brought to him before he will accept the truth. SMH!!

They deliberately and hurriedly took such decisive decision at a time they knew Igbos were down and out. Thereby taking over the economy on a platter of gold. However, since they didn't work for it, they ended up not being able to manage them and they eventually went moribond.

candidtalk:
[s]
You guys have time sha. Igbos are singularly the most shamelessly dishonest ethnic group, out of over 300, in Nigeria.

Lying childishly and shamelessly, plus revising history fraudulently, is second nature to Igbos. Buhari has been replaced by Jubrin. Trump is ready to declare Biafra, UN about to decree the existence of Biafra, Igbos own 99% of Lagos, Accra and Joburg etal.

Their lies are so shamelessly senseless that one can only feel pity for those who take seriously whatever an Igbo writes or asserts. This mumbo jumbo thread is simply another false narrative, out of literally millions, the Igbos create in cyberspace daily to blame Yorubas for everything and assassinate our character before the world. Nothing new really.[/s]

You're the one who is being dishonest here yet you still turn around to accuse others.

No matter how much you guys try to deny it, the facts will always prove you wrong. SMH!

masseratti:
lolzzzz. Suicide is the most important thing to them, i guess if i shit now av committed suicide...most igbos are nkt like this please dont let us get it wrong, its just some bitter ones that wont get over things and move on.

Stop reveling in ignorance.
Check the facts above, these were facts released by your brothers

anigbajumo:
Awolowo committed a suicide
Ladoke Akintola same thing...

I don't know the kind of myopic thinking and the level bitterness runs in ur blood, who tells you all these nonsense?? You can never see a hausa man saying all this rubbish that's why no reasonable tribe can team up with u people, u guys is just full of hatred.... See the way u quoted the guy with confidence as if they committed suicide in your ancestral land or in your sitting room... You guys seriously need to change the way of ur life.

Well, it may not be a pallatable news to you, but the guy you quoted is actually right.

Obamaofusa:
Always delusional like Ojuku.Biafra has the best army in Africa.

Can't you see you're the one yapping gibberish like a lunatic? What has the nonsense you wrote above got to do with anything?

lionshare:
How can one be influencing policies as a opposition figure? It will be illogical for the government to implement policies that will be favorable to someone who was rooting for a return to democracy in a military dispensation. Pls go through the attachment again.

You just want to argue for arguing sake. Awolowo was the head of the economic team during the early part of Gowon's regime. Do you think that the moment the Indignization decree was passed into law was also when the idea was brought forward? Don't you know that it must have passed through bureaucratic bottlenecks?

Indignization decree was Awo's idea to steal foriegn investments and hand it over to his people.

wizzakosh:
To know you are a liar as your father.

Yet you don't even have a father. Go and play with other touts under ojuelegba bridge.

Obamaofusa:
You are always delusional.
Everybody in Nigeria knew that your ancestors were running to Ibadan in droves because it was developed by the rich Yorubas.

Yorubaland became the richest, most developed and most educated even until date.
If you are ignorant,ask World bank.

Stop talking rubbish!
Which Ibadan is this village man talking about? Is it the same glorified slum settlement we all know or another one?!

The only place in the SW that looks like where modern humans live is Lagos and we all know it wasn't developed by Yorubas.

DerideGull:
Macaulay did not FORM NCNC. Herbert Macaulay was instrumental in the formation of NNDP which fielded many candidates for seats in Lagos legislative council. The party's candidates were trashed by the candidates fielded by Zik's Nigerian Youth Movement. During formative hours of NCNC, Zik invited Herbart Macaulay to join the process. At this juncture, NNDP ceased to exit as a political party however the name was invoked in 1964 when SL Akintola formed another party in western region and named it NNDP.

You may be right about that, I don't know the full details of the NCNC's formation as a party, and I can't delve into that at the moment since it's not basis of the argument. However, I know both Zik and Macaulay were influential leaders.

candidtalk:
You guys have time sha. Igbos are singularly the most shamelessly dishonest ethnic group, out of over 300, in Nigeria.

Lying childishly and shamelessly, plus revising history fraudulently, is second nature to Igbos. Buhari has been replaced by Jubrin. Trump is ready to declare Biafra, UN about to decree the existence of Biafra, Igbos own 99% of Lagos, Accra and Joburg etal.

Their lies are so shamelessly senseless that one can only feel pity for those who take seriously whatever an Igbo writes or asserts. This mumbo jumbo thread is simply another false narrative, out of literally millions, the Igbos create in cyberspace daily to blame Yorubas for everything and assassinate our character before the world. Nothing new really.

Zero sense made!
Throwing tantrums and resorting to cheap blackmail won't get you anywhere.

Come up with something intelligent to counter hards and stop all these gibberish.

chrisblack:
what do you even understand by the indigenization decree. Many of you just go on shouting about things you know nothing about. Twisting facts.Bringing up stories to suit your narratives.Since independence there As been a clamour for the shit in ownership of economic power from the colonialists to Nigerians.Despite been freed Nigeria was still economically colonized.Go back an read your history proper.

NEPC 1972. NEPC decree of 1972 was a legislation to effect changes in the ownership structure of light industries such as retail and small scale businesses. ... A new bank, the Nigerian bank of Commerce and Industry came into existence to facilitate loans to Nigerians for the purpose of investing in foreign owned firms.
Even the Government full implementation of the law was more pronounced during obasanjos era as head of state. You can check the New York times take on the issue https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/30/archives/nigerias-indigenization-policy-under-fire.html
During this time it was not only Nigeria that was involved in this process.Many freed african countries had their own from outright nationalization to indigenization.Nigeria chooses that part because it believed 40% ownership was fair to the Foreigner.even today many of you shouting are the first to ask for control in your own local domain.it takes various toga like resource control. It's same. Re writing history to suit your lies is a waste of time. During the indigenization period many Nigerians including the easterners jubilated and bought into it. Please I don't need to tell you to stop propagating your lies. The truth is it will fetch you nothing

Lies and false narrative!!
The same Igbos that lost their jobs and whose accounts were wiped out through state santioned policy will be jubilating over an Indignization decree they're in no position to partake? You really must think you're talking to kids.

Nigeria lacked the technical ability to successfully operate all those franchises at that point in time, and why would that even be the priority of a country that just emerged from a civil war? Why the rush to take over the economy from foreign companies when a significant part of the country was yet to recover from the devastating effects of the war? It was all a smokescreen, an agenda to hand over the economy to a particular section of the country!

It is same lies and mischief that has made us to be going in circles.

kayfra:
[s]With a name such as Proeast. No wonder he sounds demented[/s]

If you don't have anything reasonable or meaningful to say, is it not better to keep shut instead of exposing your ignorance and gutter upbringing to the public.

lionshare:
@proeast did you read the attachment before posting it. It’s fine to argue but you should bring facts to the table...it’s on record that awo resigned before the policy was executed. Please counter that with facts, no insults pls just debates. Everyone has tendencies to be bias but we cannot claim to be civil & educated and yet argue with facts.

You missed the point of sending the attachment. It was to show that Awolowo was still influencing policies as at 1972. Again, the Indignization decree only took effect in 1972, does it mean the idea also came into effect that same moment it was implemented? The idea must have been brought forward much earlier!!

T9ksy:
Abegi, produce the election result that shows clearly that the said NCNC, won the premiership election in western nigeria in 1951 or else just shut the phock up,

Why are you ibos still wailing 7 decades after the fact that the yorubas didn't allowed their main enemy to be in charge of their political affairs?

Why didn't the "omo ibo" that was born in the north attempt to became premier where he was born?

Was it not "tribalism" that would make an ibo man contemplate been in charge of his rival's region?

Same old tribalism we are talking about. What is wrong in Zik aspiring to a political position in the West? Is West not part of Nigeria? Is Zik not a Nigerian?

Obama was originally from Kenya but eventually became United States president. Nigerians are being elected into positions in UK, Canada etc but a fellow Nigerian was discriminated against and denied being elected based on tribalism.

You can see the report a Yoruba man wrote about what transpired during the 1951 elections.

masseratti:
stop turning history upside-down, trying to re write your own online, internet never forget,

No1 NCNC was founded by a Yoruba man Herbert Macaulay, its not Zik party.
NCNC is as much a yoruba party than any other region party in the South, the Oba of lagos was a staunch supporter as well as many others, after Herbert Died Zik who was the second in command took over.

No2 Awo and Herbert Macaulay had no love lost relationship with themselves till he died, Awo had nothing personal with Zik.. He founded his own party Macaulay NCNC and Awo's AG already had political issues before Zik came to the scene.

No 3 no one cross carpeted from NCNC to AG.
None of the two popular party could could form a government with the number of seats they won, only a "coalition" could form a government, it was a parliament and to form a government there is a number of seats a party must win in parliament, Awo'AG and Zik's NCNC didn't win the required seat, AG formed "coalition" with a small party and got the required seat to form government, please how is that a betrayal? ZIK did the same thing on the national level when he formed coalition government with the hausa/Fulani party, did anyone cried betrayal?

No4, no one stopped zik from becoming premiere in the most richest region in the country, he lost out in politics, you forgot Zik betrayed his constituents in Yaba lagos who are mostly Yorubas who voted for him, he abandoned the mandate they gave him, went to the east, made igbo in parliament to make Eyo Ettah to give up his seat, a member from onitsha had to give up his seat too for Zik to be a member of Eastern parliament and subsequently be elected the premier, all the history are at the national archive.

You cant rewrite history, stop lying we wont exposing you, no one is perfect, no tribe is perfect but stop lying, its not good for your health.

This was a Businessday editorial writing by a Yoruba.
Nobody is arguing that Zik formed NCNC, rather it was Macaulay that formed it but Zik became its leader during that point in time yet it didn't stop Awo from playing the tribalism card.