₦airaland Forum

Boc4real:
Unilag, funaab, Aaua, lasu, The list is long even OAU

You are just saying, you have no proof. Anyone can say anything.

Nunushokoto:
Pls get this right. I meant cheating on the part of the candidate no editing of result by the ''ogas at the top''

It is usually hard to edit the post-UTME score, but school usually print all the result out immediately after the examination. In case if you don not know there is always a hard-copy of all cbt exams. Even if it is possible, it is only going to for very few people, unlike the JAMB UTME that is a thing of the mass.

Boc4real:
Finance is needed for everything! You have said it all!

You need money to buy bread, you need money to have an education, you need money to own a shelter. So get me right.

Ayima:
If this debate is now taking the direction of cheating then everyone has failed. This debate should centered on what actually makes the students to pass utme and fail post utme or Fail utme and pass post utme.

The main reason why Post-UTME was established is due to mass cheating in JAMB UTME. I guess is reason is so obvious, Post-UTME is like replica of JAMB UTME, so why should a student scored 260 in JAMB UTME, and scored 20% in Post-UTME?

Boc4real:
Consider the students financial status

From my experience, you can get a room for as low as N1000 (mostly in school areas). Finance is needed for everything.

darrytoz:
Tell me is it all the tertiary institutions in NIgeria that make provisions for this?

I am not even of institutions, but is there a town in Nigeria without an hotel where one can lodge?

sammyscholar:
do I need to enlighten u of how students see Post UTME questions before exam day? Do I need to remind you of how mercenaries seat unbehalf of students in post utme exams? Post utme is no saint! It is only an avenue for our tertiary institution to make money.

Don't just say that, give me a proof. No examination that is 100% free of cheating. But the chance of cheating is usually low in a well-structured exam. Unlike JAMB-UTME, which of course we all know that cheating is a norm.

sammyscholar:
post utme is the only way to make sure admission is given to those who deserve it? Which university will admit candidates that did not meet Jamb cut off mark, even though they had great scores in Post UTME. A very good example is Babcock University that asked candidated that pass its post utme and whose name are in its admission list but fail to meet jamb's cut off mark not to bother paying acceptance fee. What can you say to this?

I guess this should answer your question, if one really deserves admission into the institution, one must have passed the JAMB UTME, but we both know most candidates employ unethical means to pass the exam. So the Post-UTME was introduced to sieve the qualified candidates from those who cheated. It will be hard for most candidates to cheat in the JAMB UTME and Post-UTME too. And most of the time, those that cheated are being "caught" in the post-UTME by not being able to pass the post-UTME.

Ayima:
Don't be too sure, as far as Nigeria is concern it happens both in utme and post utme.

It's usually unlikely, the case is always low, unlike the JAMB UTME that is rampant. Unless if the institution has lost her credibility for exams.

darrytoz:
What about the living conditions of this candidates? Does the school make provisions for were they could pass the night. Tell me if you are asked to come and write another exam will you be leaving on the day of the exam?

There is a always private apartments(hotels) to spend the night.

darrytoz:
And that is why am not in the support of post UTME because once a candidate is not subjected to another exam I don't see why such a candidate will choose a school far from his/her location.

I do not get the logic of your statement, I think it is contradicting.

sammyscholar:
only if you will answer me. If the so called Post UTME become vulnerable and bastardized as you said JAMB have become, would another examination be introduced again?

The chance of it being "vulnerable and bastardized" in your language is low, which is unlikely because it is conducted by the school herself. The exam is usually being conducted like the normal exam.

darrytoz:
Based on the example you sited. If a candidate is admitted without going for post UTME such a candidate will have enough time to plan ahead of the journey unlike going for an exam were he/she knows not his/her faith.

One is usually notified like at least weeks before the exam. What about a case where one is offered admission and one is required to come to the school the following week for clearance?

darrytoz:
Do you no that most of the student going to write this post UTME are moving out of their geographical location for the first time. They have no idea of the road network nor the drivers but going to write the exam at all cost.

This is no point. For example, one lives in Lagos and applied to University of Portharcourt. If there is no Post-UTME, one can still have accident on the road to school after being admitted to the school.

sammyscholar:
this, I would say, is a waste of time, reosurces, and effort. And I am even yet to delve into the issue of students that lost their lives in the course of travelling for the so called Post UTME. If I may ask you, which university would admit students that do not meet JAMB's cut off mark even if they pass Post UTME? Because u said Post UTME was birthed to check the fairness of JAMB.

Yes, If one really deserves admission into the institution, one must have passed the JAMB UTME, but we both know most candidates employ unethical means to pass the exam. So the Post-UTME was introduced to sieve the qualified candidates from those who cheated. It will be hard for most candidates to cheat in the JAMB UTME and Post-UTME too. And most of the time, those that cheated are being "caught" in the post-UTME by not being able to pass the post-UTME.

sammyscholar:
SAT is more like Nigeria's JAMB. After SAT, are students required to do any other exam? No! What is the purpose of Post UTME when jamb is enough to assess the eligibilty of candidates like SAT in USA? If you think JAMB is not strong enough, can it be refortified? Thank God for the introduction of CBT by Jamb. Examination malpractice will soon be a thing of the past.

JAMB UTME can never be trusted. Statistics don't lie. We both know the rate at candidates cheat in the JAMB UTME. Let me quote Sunday Saanu of University of Ibadan "Since its introduction in UI four years ago, the percentage of withdrawal level has reduced drastically. In fact, post-UME test has a correlation with the general good performance at the under graduate level. Between year 2000 and 2008, the average first-class graduates we have is 63, but last year, (2009) being the year of the first set of post-UME candidates, we have 99 students graduating with first class. Isn’t that impressive? Cancellation of post-UME test cannot do us any good!"

darrytoz:
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Post UTME, since its inception, has not been justifiable and should not be allowed to continue. Many students have lost their lives to ghastly road accident while traveling for the so called Post UTME. Many were denied admission, even after passing the so beautifully painted Post UTME. Our tertiary institutions have turned it to a money making enterprise and it has given corruption a more solid root in our already unbecoming education sytem.

The accidents is not an excuse to stop the Post-UTME. One can have accident travelling to the school after being admitted. The Post-UTME exam is not responsible for the accidents, blame it on bad roads and reckless drivers.

sammyscholar:
mathematics? We have plethora of Nigerian students studying medicine and all other science courses abroad and they have no problem dealing with all their course modules. Can you tell me which of them did entrance exam before being admitted? You and I know that they only admitted with their WAEC.

If you have ever applied or know someone that has applied to study in the US, you will know that admission process is a little bit tedious everywhere. In America, You need SAT, your transcript(almost equivalent to our O'level), and most Ivy league universities even required AP credit.

Do you know how many students that usually drop out of the Universities because of poor grades? And I mean all over the world

sammyscholar:


As obtained all over the world, school leaving examination is mandatory for all secondary school leaving students and it is the only certificate required for admission into college. In the case of Nigeria, candidates are further assessed by the Joint Admission and Matriculation Board (JAMB) through its Unified Tertiary Matriculation Examination (UTME) to ascertain their eligibility. There after, successful candidates (who met JAMB’s cut-off mark) are sent to their respective institutions of choice for admission. But, unfortunately, instead of a mere cross-check of aspirants' credentials to verify if they meet (and have) the necessary requirements for their desired courses, and giving them admission accordingly; they are further subjected to another hurdle, that is, Post UTME. And that is the crux of today's debate. Is post UTME necessary? Is it needed after all what students have been made to go through? No, it is not!

If you have ever applied or know someone that has applied to study in the US, you will know that admission process is a little bit tedious everywhere. In America, You need SAT, Essay, your transcript(almost equivalent to our O'level), and most Ivy league universities even requires AP credit.

sammyscholar:

Although, undoubtedly, our education system is degrading; but is re-introducing post UTME the way forward? Is it a well thought out policy/action? JAMB is not dependable they say; yet, no school would admit candidates who did not meet JAMB's cut-off mark even though they pass their post UTME. Just in 2013, BABCOCK UNIVERSITY asked candidates whose names appear on its admission list but failed to meet JAMB's requirement not to bother paying the university's acceptance fee. Some schools even go the extreme of increasing the cut-off mark that must be met by their aspirants to 250, 270, and even 280 as against JAMB's initial 180. And you say JAMB scores are bogus? For some schools to get their candidates' admission/aggregate score, they add JAMB score with post UTME score and then divide by "x"; yet, they say post UTME was re-introduced to fill the loopholes in JAMB when JAMB still, to large extent, influences students' aggregate scores.

Because the Post-UTME was not introduced to scrape JAMB UTME, it is used to "check-balance" the fairness of the exam, I mean to distinguished the those really pass JAMB UTME honestly and those who cheated their way through.

Nunushokoto:
pseudomoner pls post urs lemme support

Done that already. I thought you've sent one to Fynest.

@Fynestboi In case my if partner will not show. Can you help post his essay or can you send it to me to post it on his behalf?

Can I post mine now?

Fynestboi:
shifted till when?

I think I will make it, not sure of my partner though. So is it 7:30 PM?

Is the debate between FUNAAB and IBpoly going to take place tomorrow? Can it be shifted please?

I discovered there's no centre in Nigeria. Where are you guys writing yours?

This may not even be a cult related issue. The media is so fast to relate every young person that got shot to a cult related issue especially if he's a student.

I guess it's a kind of deal that gone bad because the news claimed he received a call from someone that's close to him.
Do you know how many people that got killed because they were trying to outsmart the other party in "business" deal, especially the ones that's related to yy.

I know some dudes in my area that if you try to Bleep with them, you'll get killed, and they are never cultist.

Anything wrong in being a drug dealer? The world should just leave this drug business.

1. My MTN line has not been browsing on Java phones.
2. I got a message from MTN yesterday night that I now have 200 free messages for 5days. I was able to confirm it with *559*4# but I've sent about 3 messages now, it's my credit that is being deducted.

I will send my number to JideSM

johncasey1:
Good..How's your Final year "behaving" ?

I've not started my Final year yet. I'm just about to start my IT next Month. You're in what dept?