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wirinet: A war between different people is also regarded as a war between their Gods, since the gods are expected to aid and help its worshipers defeat the enemy. In the bible and the Koran most of the victories is attributed to the gods. The conquered people are made to believe that their gods are inferior to the conquerers gods. You can see this phenomenon with all conquered people, the Aztecs, Mayans, and other south American people had to abandon their gods and adopt Spanish gods.

Wars are usually fought for exploitative purposes but the winner will exploit both the mind and materials of the conquered people.

Dear friend:
The Jewish-Christian God saw how his people were enslaved, beaten and even tortured thousands of times. I do not think it means to be a weak god. The weak are men.
We can pretend that a super developed nation is conquered by the warlike god or gods of a people almost unarmed?
With spears and arrows can defeat the guns? That would be naive and do not think a god is superior to another.
You say that "In the Bible and the Koran, most of the victories are attributed to the gods" ... It also attributed the defeats like Iraq? The hundreds of humiliation they are subjected to the Islamists the part of USA? Is attributed to the Judeo-Christian god what occurred with the Nazis?
I totally agree with you that history is written by the victors, the victors imposed their gods, their traditions and their language until the vanquished ... but that is because it is better ...
Europeans invaded Africa and America for economic purposes, and tried to justify speaking of "civilization" ... How ironic ... civilized, killing and enslaving ...
We imposed that story ... "who does not accept die" ...
But today we continue believing ... is unacceptable!
! of respect to the ancestors, and our own identity.
His speech was excellent my friend!
Let us exchange views.
The thread is excellent and beautiful level of respect!
Thank you!
A friendly greeting!

Avicenna: No,no, Ptolomeus, you did not get what I meant. Eledumare is same as God but with many sub-gods(osha) working for him. These eledumare-representatives(osha) require human sacrifice( most)and when crossed,never forgives., Compare that to christian/islamic god whom are omnibenevolent.
It was a matter of choosing between two evils, they went for the lesser evil. Mind you, not eledumare but his representatives.(Sango,obatala,ogun).
In short the reasons- they were conquered. It is either accept or die(islam)/ostracised(christianity).
I think I still remain a victim of that brainwashing. The stories they colonizers sold us I mean. You know in my school library, the go-to book on IFA divinity was written by a british! You can no longer distinguish between what's true and what they want you to know.
In conclusion,The missionaries brought a CONCEPT of God that natives felt comfortable with than their sango,obatala and others. Let's say they brought the greek pantheon(zeus,hades), it won't have as much effect. They are basically same.

Dear friend:
1. It is logical that there are studies by the British. I already mentioned that the first studies on African traditions and religions were made by English missionaries ( sided, and superficial studes). That does not speak well for the British (who also wrongly interpreted almost everything) but bad for Africans.
2. I respectfully beg to differ with you about human sacrifice. If we talk historically in Africa may be conducted human sacrifices for religious purposes.
That's not the actual reality.
But do not forget that the Judeo-Christian god was ordered to undertake human sacrifices (sometimes children).
It is estimated that a Jewish sect made ​​even today.
So ... we chose the lesser evil? That will cost African slavery for hundreds of years and met the greatest genocide in human history (I have the numbers and statistics per capita)
That was choosing the lesser evil?
Well ... I do not want to induce anyone to change their thinking, just that things are not imposed as the Europeans.
You have done an excellent pose. I think it's a great collaboration ... From the discussion comes the light!
I send warm greetings!

logicboy: The brought civilization? We ate their food?


Spoken like a true slave.


Can you explain how slavery is civilized or how colonialism is civilised.

Dear friend.
There is a concept that we should consider.
I do not think the Aztecs, Mayas, Incas and Africans were uncivilized. I want to put too much emphasis on that.
The invader justified his crimes, cataloging of animals and some pagan, peoples who had even a civilization much more advanced than Europe.
Have a great development war does not mean being more civilized.
I think that the people cited were by no means uncivilized.
Military supremacy has nothing to do with civilization.
I'm not asking you to share my opinion, but traditional African religions and American argued for hundreds of years the ecology ... The first world recently began to understand some things ... but still creating machines of mass destruction. ..
Who is civilized?
Civilization is an example of the Inquisition? Enslave whole nations?
I think (very respectfully) that the Chinese story of Europeans in Africa has been believed until now.
With affect always, your friend.

PAGAN 9JA:
yes its a concept. i get your drift. you consider the other deities as manifestations of the Supreme Creator.

As Orisá part of Olorún , is logical your analysis ...

But ... where are the other friends?
No opinion on this beautiful theme?
It would be interesting to hear views and comments on these issues!
Come on!

Biafra4tharmy: well we are got our methods. The method i use is to ask my clients their name or the name of somebody they want to divinate about . Then i consult my oracle. I'm not a magician i'm a honourable chief priest. So why would a client refuse to disclose his name? It means that he is not yet serious

If both IFA, as the different oracles (to my knowledge) use the name of the consultant. I also do, it is a traditional question, but honestly nothing to see the name, let alone the patient's birth date.
I know perfectly well that it is not magic.

PAGAN 9JA:
No friend you see, you are talking only about the Creator God Olodumare. there are other lesser Gods too, such as Shango , Orunmila, etc. which represent different forces. .

The difference we are taking you and me is the concept.
I believe that Orisa is Olorún emanation, but are not gods, but guiding the universal balance (Oya, Ogun, Sango, Oba, Ossayin, Osun, etc). Well, it's a question of concept I think it does not make big differences.

"Slaves, obey your masters of this world with fear and respect, with simple heart, and who obeys Christ. Serve none for you only see and to congratulate you men but as slaves of Christ wholeheartedly fulfill God's will. Desempeñad your work diligently for the Lord and not men, knowing that the Lord will give to everyone according to the good he does, whether servant, and to be free. And, ye masters, act with your slaves in the same way, leaving aside threats, knowing that they and ye have the Lord Himself, who is in Heaven and no respecter of persons "(Ephesians 5, 6-9).

This view is reinforced in the Epistle to the Colossians (3,22-25 and 4.1): "Slaves, obey in all things your masters of the earth, ye will serve not only when you see, to achieve the favor of men, but with sincerity and love for the Lord. Any work you do do it willingly, thinking you work for the Lord, instead of fijaros in men. You know that the Lord will reward you, giving you the promised inheritance. Serve the Lord Jesus. He who does not comply will receive what he deserves his evil, because God does not differentiate between people. "

In the Epistle to Titus 2: 9-10 we read: "Let the slaves submit to their masters in everything, to try to satisfy them and not to contradict them. Do not steal them, but they appear worthy of confidence. This will achieve all admire the doctrine of God our Savior. " And if the owner is a Christian, "Let all who are in a position to seek to be very respectful slaves with their masters. This will keep you from speaking ill of God and his doctrine. Those with Christian masters must not lose them the respect under the pretext that they are brothers, in contrast, serve them better because they are believers and beloved brothers who receive good service. This is what to teach and inculcate (Timothy 6, 1-2), and continues with: "If anyone teaches otherwise, instead of conforming to these rules, which are those of Christ Jesus our Lord, the authentic teachings of the faith, that man is blind and probably knows nothing: he has a habit of causing unnecessary arguments and issues. "

First Epistle of Peter (2, 18-20), we read: "Servants, be submissive to your masters, not only those who are good and gentle but also to severe. Because this is acceptable, if someone endures pain while suffering unjustly God-consciousness. For what is of remarkable if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure? But if you endure when you do good and are troubled, that it is acceptable before God. To this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example to follow in his footsteps. "

Olaadegbu explained it clearly.
Only a blind man would not understand.
I've always said that Olaadegbu is one of the smartest people on the forum ...
Best wishes!

Biafra4tharmy: you need the both party to agree . A seer must have the cösent of his client. You dont force yourself on people- by telling me his name we have agreed

No, no. I do not speak of clairvoyance.
Seer is a natural gift (clairvoyance)
A priest serving a life preparation, and ceremonies that enable it to engage and consult the oracle.
That's what I meant, but of course you know that ...
You will do something for my friend PAGAN has greater fortune and the gods protect him more?

ijawkid: I have said it a million times o on this nairaland....

A true christian,a true follower of christ does not engage in d worlds politics.....

Obama is not a christian!!!!!

He is one of those persons who claim to be a christian but is not......

Final!!!!!!

How can u rule america,d world power, and still be a christian??


Madness!!!

Yes, many times it hurts someone who is a Christian allow the crimes he allows.
But it is a reality ... it is said Christian, attends church and the pastor not removing him, everyone knows he's a Christian ...
It really is a High class Christian ...
Christians should be proud to have a representative so famous.

*Ileke-IdI:
Eleda means my creator, my maker = God.
It could also be use to refer to a Yoruba God, depending on who you're speaking to.

You are referring to Ori? Ori = destination?
Ori is indeed considered Orisa.
In all honesty, I do not know a Orisa with that name (Eleda).
Please understand you I'm not denying what you say)
Could you expand on the subject?
Thank you very much for the input!
A hug!

I ask a thousand pardons. It was a translation error.
Actually, I think effectively in Yoruba religion there is only one creator god, what makes monotheistic. Orisa was considered God (gods) when the first missionaries came to Africa.
The Yoruba god has no cult or ceremony (not directly offering Olorún). This situation and the fact that offerings and other ceremonies were given for the different Orisa led the missionaries to consider that it was polytheism (errors as thick as Eshu regarded as the Christian devil).
Regarding the link of the Yoruba religion with Judaism, as honestly I say that I know of no precedent that certifies that contention. I hope the translator did not betray me,
so I repeat, I do not know any link between Yoruba traditional religion and Judaism.
Dear Friend: I feel a great respect for you, and if I may, affection. Respectfully disagree that the base as polytheistic or monotheistic is a very minor. And that does not change my deep respect for you. I am not the owner of the truth, just commented that I studied and learned, but my opinion is far more valid than yours.
I send warm greetings to my friend Hausa!

I hope nobody is offended by this comment.
I do not think the Yoruba religion is monotheistic.
As far as I learned, Olodumare is the only god and creator.
There Orisa, which are emanations of the one God and Creator, but have no degree of god.
Orisa There are also "fun fun", which are related to creation.
But this is not polytheism.
A respectful greeting to all.

amor4ce: It seems our people got drunk/fat, began to misbehave, and then forgot Eledumare's own name; Olodumare, Eledumare, Olorun, and Eleda are titles/epithets. Let us seek to know and confess HIS name before trying to point fingers at the oyinbo/Amorites.

Each of these names describes a characteristic of that god.
Olorun (Lord of Orun, sky) and so on.
The term "Eleda" as far as I know, is something else. Not a Yoruba god's name.
A respectful greeting.

wirinet: Eledumare was unable to protect them.

It was a war of gods?. I really do not understand your reasoning.
The Judeo-Christian God and Allah can protect Africa from the millions of starving children? The AIDS? ...
"They took the wealth and left the Bible and the Koran"
My respects.

Avicenna: African people simply abandoned their Gods (eledumare) because it was inferior to the foreign concept of God.

I do not think Eledumaré is below or above ... I think that that's a big mistake. That story was sold the settlers, and was happily purchased by Africans for hundreds of years ...
I believe that a god is less when it dies or is killed by mere mortals. Is not the case Eledumaré.
My respects.

shymmex: ^^^Even the Brazilians had to create SANTERIA (combination of Yoruba gods and Christianity) for their own God to answer their prayers...
I'm just trying to get a reasonable discourse - please, civility is important.

Very respectfully.
Santeria has no origin in Brazil, but in Cuba.
In Brazil there are different religions of African origin:
Candomble of Angola, Candomblé Nago, Batuque Sango of Recife, Umbanda and many others.
Of these, the only one who can say that it is syncretic Umbanda.
Excellent thread!

My respects.

Logic Mind: Can he read nairaland?

Sure you do!
But God prefers more suggestive Nairaland sites ...
You think about it ... God lives in heaven, surrounded by little angels
naked and with feathery wings ... God has only two diversions:
1. Play the harp ... and does it very badly ...
2. Grumble Satan because Satan activates the door bell of heaven and then flees ... annoying to San Pedro ...
God prefers pages Nairaland more fun ... Bleep, hard, bondage ...
You imagine God discussing with Olaadegbu God? Impossible!
God will not stand!

Pastor AIO: Even after my apologies you're still reverting to idiocy. That is not what the constitution says at all. Your twisting of it would make any law, e.g law against murder, an example. Any way, I'm off, but I'll return with more thoughts on what I think is really going on with this thread. I'm done with dealing with Enigma and I'm sure that any discerning reader will see through all that is going on.

1. The topic is to discuss whether Obama is Christian or not. Nobody could prove otherwise, so it was absolutely proven that Obama is Christian. At confession of a party relay tests.
2. Are you an intelligent person. You should not waste their time arguing with an underfunded as Enigma, who also lacks a low education.
3. I agree with you. Discuss with Enigma is a truly idiotic.

Biafra4tharmy: then i will have an excuse to teach you an unforgettable lesson about the spiritual powers of an Amadioha High priest who move in many thunder

Amadioha Priest? Very interesting ... Cult Igbo.
You use Kamalu Ozuzu then?
Do need a priest Amadioha someone's name?
Could not you guess?
In some ancient African religions, the first test by which you must pass a priest, is to guess the full name, age and date of birth of an unknown consultant.
My respects, mate!

PAGAN 9JA:
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Also the Islamists ...

PAGAN 9JA:
westerners will first kill all the animals in the area to make it safe. .

Well, try to see the positive ...
As a counterpart they left the Bible and the Koran.
(Irony).

uadubasim: are you scared of burning in hell? If no then why bother yourself so much? Leave us to our faith and we leave you to yours. Yes we can't answer some of your silly questions so you atheists have won. Go to bed winners!

Do not think anyone here is afraid to hell.
Nor no one here has been defined as an atheist.
Personally, I absolutely indifferent that they invented hell, with fire burning souls (?), I am indifferent to the paradise they have invented, with naked angels and feathers, I am indifferent to the devil that you fear so much, I am indifferent to all that crap that you so desperately defends.
I am indifferent to the Jewish-Christian god, which called human sacrifices that parents kill their children as an offering ...
A god like that, makes me sick.
But I wish that God really exists ...
If that god exists, he would send to hell those fans like you.

solidbroda: I still dont understand why most of you are still shying away from the previous questions asked. A Muslim or Hindu will burn in christian hell fire?
Christians will burn in Muslim or Hindu hell fire?
the Buddha hell fire will born all those who don't belief its religion. Is this not confusion already? You most Christians, what makes you think you are in the right religion? (earlier asked). Muslims are also mostly in spirit, the traditional people are highly spirited people, so also other religions. why are they all seeing different things? why are they all seeing different visions?
How many of the so called Christians have rightly donated there belongings to charity, instead, they furnish their followers with tithes and different kinds of offerings sermons to enrich themselves.
If truly your God is a loving God, most you xtian guys says sin in a spirit. why didn't he just destroy sin and let everyone be at peace?
Guys, probably God exist, but not the way everybody is hyping it. and i know if truly he exists, he wont be a God of confusion neither will he be a God of Hell fire, lake of fire, bottomless pit. etc etc.
I think most of us are blinded by religious beliefs than using logical minds to understand and solve things around us.#The bible itself says ''study to show thyself approved. not waiting for the holy spirit to teach you what you must normally learn by your own self and do properly.(and yet the spirit cant train you what you do not know of)
Im sure, God himself is seriously angry with most Christians because they depend on him too much and cant just use their logical sense he gave to them.
when God asked Solomon what he wanted, Solomon asked for wisdom, he thought about it before he asked for wisdom instead of riches and houses. that is an example of a rational minded person.
Use your reasoning in all your en-devours, and stop threatening people with hell fire.
it is even so sad to see that the christian religion is also subdivided into mini religions. Jehovah witness(have different version of heaven and hell), pentecostal churches(different), C/S, Cele churches (different), catholic and Anglican different views.
Y'all should go and reason well before talking hell and heaven that its 99 per cent sure that you will be there. Xtians are the worst pretenders and lairs in the world.

Excellent exposure.
You may have noticed that your intervention sparked anger in some fans ... it is impossible to avoid.
My respects!

italo: I am not married but I know many Catholics (at least) who have remained virgins despite being married.

"Normal?"

We were all born virgins, weren't we?

I understand that you are a virgin then. But even being a virgin, surely you masturbate ... is that the relief or pleasure you prefer.
Although we were to accept the absurd, that Mary and Joseph did not have sex, no doubt, they masturbated, as you do for a physical issue.
Then you're reviewing an issue not known.
There is no law that prohibits a Catholic to have sex with his wife. What you claim is ridiculous.
If you are married Catholics who do not have sex, will be for impotence, stupidity, or because they have sex outside of marriage, but not for religious reasons.
This confirms yet again, that Joseph and Mary had sex normally, like any marriage of the time.
Do not forget that Joseph and Mary were not married by the Christian law ... Christian marriage did not exist.
Please! you include a minimum of seriousness and logic

italo: Likely



Surely



In addition to what we know from sacred tradition, these verses indicate that Mary was a perpetual virgin:

Ezek. 44:2 - Ezekiel prophesies that no man shall pass through the gate by which the Lord entered the world. This is a prophecy of Mary's perpetual virginity. Mary remained a virgin before, during and after the birth of Jesus.

when Gabriel tells Mary that she will conceive a child, she says to him in Luke 1:34, "How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?" We are told seven verses before that when this happened she was "a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph." She was already engaged, knew she was to be married, is visited by an angel who tells her she will have a Son, and she acts bewildered, as though it's an impossibility because she "knows not a man." She's not confused that she will bring forth a Son who "shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David"; she is confused that she will bring forth a son at all! She doesn't "get it" because she knows she is a consecrated virgin and will not "know a man!" She is confused that she will have a son at all!



You are free to return to whatever you like... In your head.

Sacred tradition.
It is also sacred tradition that there is fire in hell ...
"Sacred Tradition" according to your usage, means "we must believe this."
Mary was not a virgin ... had several children ... the Bible says it ...
You still cling to the theory of Joseph's homosexuality or impotence. That is very unlikely.
If the "sacred tradition" obliges you to believe that Joseph and Mary never had sex, that Mary was never masturbate, etc.. etc.
Be happy ... but do not pretend you that your claim is accepted by others ... because it generates laughter.

Ubenedictus: you need to read history, there were married eastern bishops who didnt consumate their marriages, both husband and wife were celebate. Make some research, wat seem impossible to u is not imposible for other. Sorry marriage is not for sex but for companionship.

You speak of Bishops. Also (presumably) that Catholic priests do not have sex ... You mix the issues.
Joseph and Mary were married long before the supposed apparition of the angel ... There was no reason for celibacy. None.
Clearly, the so-called "virginity" of Mary is a myth.
Read also about the brothers of Jesus ...
You, without providing any evidence, try to cover everything with celibacy.
You could do so based on impotence, or homosexuality of Joseph ...
All assumptions ... in any way they want to invent the virginity of a married woman.
That is difficult.
Your comment was not anything happy.

OLAADEGBU: A Christian is not better than an atheist but the Christian is better off.

Hello dear friend!
It is a great joy to greet you!

better off.
On what parameters?
Completely disagree with the comment.
An absurdity!

ijawkid: There's no realm as hellfire....
Its a myth....

When the scriptures uses fire it is everly symbolic...

When it does use everlasting fire it becomes even more symbolic....


My fellow christians in d house I would like to ask some few questions ...

IS d city of sodom and gomorrah still burning

And from pictures and videos I've always noticed that satan is depicted as been in a hell fire holding a pitch fork waiting for his cohorts...lol

Is that correct too??

Because from d scriptures satan isn't in hellfire.....

Also is the lake of fire d same as hell fire

I understand then, that everything is symbolic.
It is also symbolic hell, and satan is symbolic ... the Judeo-Christian god is also symbolic ...

The original discussion was about the possibility that homosexuality is demonic.
Now been derived on the "naturalness" and "morality" of homosexuality.
Can be accept or not homosexuality, but most rewarding of the thread is that no fan has had the folly to blame Satan homosexuality ...
Reading other threads, I think that's an important advance.
My respects.

italo: Who will translate this to English for me?

Even the ever-efficient 'Google Translate' couldn't help.

I ask you, if you are married ...
And if you are married, also if you are a virgin ...
You feel normal to be married and virgin?
I do not think so ...

italo: It is most likely, perhaps most certainly, that Joseph was a virgin, just as were Jesus and Mary. As such, they embodied the true Holy Family, fully consecrated to God.

In Luke 1:31,34, the angel tells Mary that you "will" conceive (using the future tense). Mary responds by saying, "How shall this be?" Mary's response demonstrates that she had taken a vow of lifelong virginity by having no intention to have relations with a man. If Mary did not take such a vow of lifelong virginity, her question would make no sense at all (for we can assume she knew how a child is conceived). She was a consecrated Temple virgin as was an acceptable custom of the times.

Joseph was a virgin? Mary a consecrated virgin?
You have any proof of that? A biblical passage stating that?
Or is it just something you say you crave?
We return to the theory that Joseph was gay and Mary lesbian ... That also would explain it.
Serious!