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OLAADEGBU: You cannot be a Christian by name only. Your confessions has to be backed up by what you do or say. You cannot think crooked and walk straight.

Mr. A is a Christian, and believes that se.x is sin.
Mr. B is a Christian, and believed that having se.x is not sin (the Bible does not say that se.x is sin).
, Olaadegbu! then decide who of them is Christian and who is not.
You are very wrong. You do not have authority to define what are the moral standards of Christians. You may not attempt to have more authority than the pastor of the church of Obama.
The rules to be followed by Christians not mark you.
Obama is a Christian, he defines himself as a Christian, and accept it as Christian pastors.

Ubenedictus: this is ignorance, this is trash, trash again.

You refer to "trash" as a parable?, Figuratively? or as a sacred tradition?

Please answer to which of the possibilities that Joseph should not have sex with Mary.
For Mary was a virgin WAS NECESSARY
a) That Joseph did self (that ugly ... that does not speak well of Joseph)
b) That Joseph WAS ga.y
c) That Mary was frigid
d) That Mary was a le.sbian
e) That Were Mary and Joseph bis.exual
f) That Joseph WAS impotent.
It would really be preferable Been That HAD normal ... If These Were the parents of god ... what is for Jesus!

You are making fools defending this.
In a society such as the Roman libertine ... what woman had se.x in the middle of the street? Mary was the exception?
Although it is something nasty, I can accept that Mary had se.x with a spirit (that filth ... that se.xual deviation) but you do not ask me to believe that Mary was a virgin as well ...
Few women would have se.x with a spirit ... I guess I accept die very promiscuous and experienced.

OLAADEGBU: I do not expect you to understand what 'am talking about. To know who is not a Christian you have to be one. A thief will discern the pathway of a fellow thief on the rocks. If you want to know who a Christian is, read my reply to Pastor AIO or just follow the reasons given on this thread on why Obama is not a Christian.

That we have been discussing for weeks.
But you do not want to read my posts.
You want all Christians to be good, something like a factory that builds Christians all the same. But it is not.
Obama is a Christian, is defined as a Christian, I accepted in a Christian church ... who think you are saying that it is not?
You do not like what it does Obama, but Obama's pastor is amazed by it!.
You think that those who torture, looting and murder is not a Christian?
As you look at Obama's response.
Obama is Christian.
You do not want to recognize that there are Christian thieves, pedop.hiles, rap.ists, murderers, as in all faiths.
Acept it you! Do not run from this reality! You want to close our eyes to something that absolutely everybody understands.
You are not reasoning, not reading.
If you do not like that Obama is part of the same football team, then you simply change team, because Obama is worshiped by Christians.

Sirniyeh: Eledumare has ministers like Ailela .

Dear friend:
Could you expand a little more on that Orisa?
Thank you!

logicboy: What??

How come you understand Yoruba?

Hahahaha ...
Dear friend ... (You know I respect him a lot)
I am a researcher of African traditions, mainly from the Yoruba.
I do not speak Yoruba (wish it were), just I have a vague notion ...
Always a pleasure to talk with you dear friend!

Vamo' arriba la celeste querido amigo!
Un abrazo!

Avicenna: Obviously, you have done a lot of research.
So we disagree on number 2. You see, inasmuch as I don't like talking about it, ritual killing is real. This is undertaken by misguided/bloodthirsty/sadistic followers of certain gods(osha) In vain hope of pleasing their lords and for monetary gains. This is why most people became completely disgusted with those gods and therefore abandoned them. Science also played a role in dismissing most of their spiritual superstition. You can imagine a Ifa priest naming his son 'Ifatoyinbo'. Meaning IFA is equal to the white man. And the implicit meaning was that of inferiority of IFA.
I agree with most of what you said but I decided to point this one out. Peace.

Dear friend, is a pleasure to exchange knowledge with you. Thank you for your appreciation and consideration.
I do not doubt the sacrifices that you named, and neither do the justify. I only that they go back a long time ago. I find a contradiction between those who "abandon" the Yoruba deities because at one time performed these sacrifices, and embrace other religions whose god demanded human sacrifices also.
I also note that the abandonment of traditional culture (in general) African and embrace Western culture has brought him to Africa a substantial improvement in the quality of life, on the contrary ... from the "Berlin Agreement "I think (very respectfully) to Africa fell into a deep crisis of historical identity.
It is possible that the priests themselves IFA submit to whites ... but understand that doing nothing different from most other people.

I ask for clarification (help) on this point: the name "Ifatoyinbo" according to the term "Oyin" mean honey ...
the word "white" would not be funfun?
Thank you very much for your consideration and attention.
I respect very much.
An affectionate greeting!

amor4ce: I still insist that our people forgot ELEDUMARE's personal name. Eledumare is a title/appellation just like that of Yoruba kings e.g. Alaketu of Ketu, Elepe of Epe, Oniru of Iru,Olubadan of Ibadan, etc.

What you say is correct.
It is a way of naming the god.
Olorún means (Lord of Orun).

afrodiva: @ op, what makes You think that the worship of olodumare was also not imposed by some ancient civilization? Slavery itself is as old as man and not peculiar to xtianity and Islam.if your olodumare and other African gods were all that why didn't they rescue Africans from slavery and colonization? You claim that they don't wait 47 years to answer prayers , however history points to the fact that they not only delayed, they did not even answer or shall we say they were not powerful enough to answer their worshipers. So what was the point in worshiping them? Lets take an example, Our fore fathers worshipped some gods they believed would Ward of illness e.g malaria and based on this belief offered sacrifices to them, however modern science has shown that you just need a few pills to cure malaria, no need to sacrifice hens, goats and in some cases human beings to treat malaria.they therefore dumped some of these gods. In a sense its not just xtianity that made us dump our forefathers gods but also science. Science disproved a lot of myths and religious practises.
Some of the races you mentioned that are doing well have also had their dark periods its not always been rosy. The white men also lived in caves, trenches etc before they made scientific breakthroughs .whites also worshipped several moon gods, sun. Gods river gods before the advent of xtianity.some food for thought.

I would like to clarify something.
You blames the Orisa (or African deities) of slavery.
Now it is a very simplistic. The perpetrators of slavery were Europeans, and also some level of military development. I do not see the guilt of the gods in that situation. But (according to your reasoning) I ask you something: Not guilty on Islamic god of the massacres in Iraq? the savage torture of Islamists in Guantanamo? and many other things? Is that Allah is a god weak and let their people to massacre and torture their sons?
The Jewish God is weak allowing the slaughter of 3 million Jews in World War II?. Excuse me, but I do not share your point of view.

With respect to medical solutions ... not all solutions involving religious sacrifices in Africa. You know that there is a cult Ossayin? A cult of ancient healing method leaves like?
You know what it contains that drug you listed as a "scientific breakthrough? THE PLANT IS BASED ON A 90%.
Then you can tell me where the weakness of these "gods"?
Where is the great development that was Africa with Islam and Christianity? Where is the greatest strength of Yahweh and Allah compared to Eledumaré?
Excuse me, but very respectfully, your analysis is very incomplete.
My intention is not to argue, but just do not think that a comment like that go unanswered.
My respects.

buzugee: yeah for the internet trolls otherwise known as the atheists lol

Then the spray is harmless to me ...
But let us agree it was a good joke ...
Do not become stressed, we are talking with friends ... exchanging ideas and viewpoints ...
Nobody here will convince anyone, and that's the positive.
No stress.

Martian: then spirits can seduce human virgins........and dogs, sheep

Christians will be horrified, but it is an excellent test for the absurd ...
If it is unacceptable that Mary and Joseph as a couple they had never had sex before, you just imagine Mary having sex with a spirit! It's disgusting!
In addition, Mary would have had sex with a spirit that also had sex with dogs and sheep!
It's just disgusting!

chima-uga:
actually he is man like you and me,you dont expect him 100 per, wwhat of many he predicted right?

ERROR!
Joshua is not a man like me. I am an honest person, I have ethics and morals. Joshua is a fake, and has been shown dozens of times here.
Predict the result of a sport event is something worthy of a circus clown ... but also predict it wrong ... is a fair jester.

Dear friend Olaadegbu:
You did not responding.
I understand that you have no arguments to respond, and I do not blame him.
But you are starting from a false premise: that Christians are all honest and good. Not so with the Christians, or any religious group, sports, politics, etc..
You know perfectly well that there are Christian thieves, homosexuals,
corrupt (as in other groups).
You will be upset that Obama, being a murderer, a Catholic, and I understand you.
Obama is a bad Christian but is a Christian, though not like you.
(And do not be offended with me, in any case you should be offended by Christians who accept Obama in the church)

It is not really a religion is a sect.
The original religion from which Christianity was born the Jewish religion.
For this reason Christianity is a sect.

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Some interesting scene?

thehomer: He should have bought an octopus. What has he been doing with all the money he's been collecting?

Joshua is a religious ...
Just imagine ... drugs, women, alcohol ...
The money never spare my son!
Amen!

cyrexx: .

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jmoore: It is obvious you pick the teachings you like and discard the ones you don't like. Next time quote your opinion and not the bible. Not surprise coming from someone who said Jesus is not God

What you said, is a parable? It is in a figurative sense? You said brother but actually meant uncle?

OLAADEGBU: You will have to tell me when Obama made that decision to become a Christian. When did he ask for forgiveness of his sins and put his faith in Christ?

Dear friend.
A Christian does not have to ask forgiveness for their sins ... if he considers that there are sins.
Is it a sin to torture in Guantanamo and Iraq? Killing innocent women and children?
Well, you and I say so, but maybe Obama thinks not, and that does no better or worse Christian.
You have a concept of what should be a Christian, and Obama might have another concept.
But if he says he is Christian, but you do not like it, neither you nor I have the right to say otherwise.
Let's look at the absurdity.
If I say I'm gay, what right have you to say that I am not
(He liked the comparison?)
Well, do not be offended ... it was just one example.
I insist. is the most famous Christian ... should be proud to be the same team that Uncle Obama

OLAADEGBU: Jesus said:

"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do"

The question is, do you know what you are saying at all? because Jesus did not pray for those who sins willfully.

That definitely proves that Obama is Christian.

Ptolomeus: "It can mean" "may refer" "is an issue of tradition" or "is a parable" Come on! Let's not be naive. That remark caused laughter!. I pray you have a bit of seriousness.

and ... are brothers, but ... are not brothers!
uncles? Grandparents?
Ridiculous!

That's the idea ...
Build with the tithes and then cash in on it built.
Thus fools are the ones that paid tithe given away the lucrative business of the pastor.
No, a pastor does not read Malachi ... is not convenient
Pastors are engaged in things more important (business a fee) have no time to lose read stupidities in the Bible.
My respectsDeshacer cambios

buzugee: per semester or per year ? seems awfully high for semester fees if you ask me

You are a friend.
Go and tell you that Ptolomeus recommended and will lower the price so unbelievable.
A hug.

Jesus was a Jew.
His only interest was to make some changes in their religion was Jewish. Jesus died trying these changes in Judaism.
Jesus never wanted to create a new religion nor a nuieva church. Jesus never gave up its Jewish character.
All Christian groups (Catholicism, Protestantism) are really sects, divisions of Judaism, which is the original religion.
Who is part of Christianity is part of a cult.

Obama is an exemplary Christian.
He promised to withdraw troops from Iraq, leaving the torture center at Guantanamo, to restore relations with Cuba but not to harass the Islamic countries ...
As exemplary Christian is not complied with any of that, and also worships the devil ...
An exemplary Christian

Hahaha-hohoho-huhuhu
I am denouncing this charlatan in several threads, but their lapdogs continue to defend it.
There's only one thing worse than a prophet making sports predictions: it is a prophet who makes predictions sports and misses.
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONKEY!
Charlataaaaaaaaaaan, FaaaaaaaKeeeeee

Mary and Joseph were married, not in the Catholic Church, but by Jewish law. Like any marriage (or partner) normal at the time, had sex every day, they were young, and did a few days to four or five times.
With the passage of time came the angel announced to Mary that she no longer had sex with Joseph ...
So Joseph and his other children waited outside, while the Holy Spirit was the "work".

musKeeto: Damn..

Hello dear friend.
As you know, my English is very bad.
Can you be more explicit?

Ubenedictus: 1. where is it in the bible? My bible say that mary and Joseph were bethorted before the apparation, the were not married, they were not living together, an they couldnt Be Intimate.

2. the 'brothers of Jesus' can mean relative or just jews it doesnt necessary mean biological brother.

3. it is a pity that you dont even know the meaning of sacred tradition, well what can i expect from your 21 century church. If u want to know d meaning of sacred Tradition please feel free to ask

4. you are speculating because i dont self-service and the angel told mary as it is written in greek 'kecharitomene' usually translated as highly favoured, but the surprising thing is that charito comes from charitoo, meaning grace kecharitomen is grace in its pefect passive participle. It actually mean that she has already been endowed with complete permanent grace. This is a reason y she is a fully chaste virgin because God had already given he a complete permanent grace.

5. the problem is that you fail to grasp the full import of reality, the marriage of mary and joseph is not contemporary marriage it is preordain with a single purpose i.e Jesus the son of God

1. Your Bible is very selective. In addition ... Joseph and Mary were not married? Of course not ... They were married in the Catholic church because the church did not exist. But they were a couple. We do not doubt anyone.Understand the historical context. It is impossible to imagine a couple who do not have se.x. Se.x was not sin (or so). For that reason Joseph did not have all the possible se.x with Mary? Even the unimaginable.

2. "It can mean" "may refer" "is an issue of tradition" or "is a parable" Come on! Let's not be naive. That remark caused laughter!. I pray you have a bit of seriousness.

3. XXI century church? But ... you whom I confuses me?
You have drunk too much?
Sacred Tradition? You know what that means? Means "this is sacred, and you accept it and tell you. Not ask or think."
Trash!

4. Self. Right. Wont back to my original.
For Mary was a virgin was necessary
a) That Joseph did self (that ugly ... that does not speak well of Joseph)
b) That Joseph was ga.y
c) That Mary was frigid
d) That Mary was a le.sbian
e) That Mary and Joseph were bis.exual
f) That Joseph was impotent.
It would really be preferable that had been normal ... IF these were the parents of god ... what is for Jesus!



5. Exactly.
At that time it was unthinkable a se.xless marriage. Not talking about modernism but of realities. You make a story no one will believe to blame Joseph homosexuality or frigidity of Maria. Instead of sanctifying, you humiliated.
Accept the logic. Mary and Joseph made se.x three or four times a day ... Nor was convicted of adultery, so that Mary may have had se.x with several men.
Stop making excuses that no one will believe.

Enigma: Well, it's all good and life goes on.

To clear one thing up.

There is NO "cabal"; as with almost very other poster, I agree with davidylan and Olaadegbu on some things and disagree with them on others. That's just the way it is.

One thing that I can say for sure that I and davidylan have in common (from reading his posts) is that we detest arrogant sciolism and have little more than contempt for self acclaimed "intellectuals" and "paragons of knowledge" who in fact peddle a lot of rubbish here; some repeat long discredited information ad nauseam. One can give a litany long list of examples: Nicene Council & Trinity, Paul vs Jesus, that book of the Bible was not written by that person, even hoaxes like King Leopold letter & Willie Lynch letter. Yet, they use these rubbish to insult Christians (especially) on the Board. The most idiotic of them have said Jesus was a bastard or was gay and other rubbish.

Well, colour me bad; why would I want to engage in "intellectual discussions" with such people? And of course it is quite easy to show such people up as fools, (yes, fools) when one can be bothered.

As in all cases, your opinion does not rise more than one inch of soil.
There is nothing worse than an ignorant arrogant .

Pastor AIO: I think this and the post before it could possibly be the ugliest post I've ever written on NL, or possibly that anyone has ever written. And not only because I was in the wrong about the issue. Even if I was right, it is the manner in which I went about it that makes me so disappointed in myself. This calls for some deep soul searching. It is not only here that I've manifested this kind of style, but it is just a culmination of an approach that has been building up over the last 6 or so months. I've slowly come to relish the yabis exchanges, even as a third party just reading a thread.

But it's good that it's happened cos I now realise that I have some serious self appraisal to do. I would like to extend my unreserved apologies to those mentioned by name, the 'relevant people, Enigma, Olaadegbu, and Davidylan.

I'll be back later with more thoughts. Maybe start another thread on it.

Dear friend:
You does not have to apologize.
Are you a person too polite.
They should apologize mindless like Enigma!
Your opinion is very important in every forum topic ...
Reconsider, we need his opinion.

*Ileke-IdI:
Sorry, Igbos are the ones that believe they're the sons of Israel. Yorubas were here when the Israelis were there. we were just not called "Yoruba" or "Nagos" then.

Oduduwa was the one sent from heaven Every tradition has its own myth. You have the Greeks with their gods/goddesses.

Exactly
Oduduwa is considered the patriarch Yoruba.
The Yoruba are considered "sons of Oduduwa"
In the creation Oduduwa plays a key role, and settled in Ile-Ife and founded his kingdom.
I do not want to continue the story on some subsequent invasions Oduduwa performed, in order to avoid polarization between the brothers.
I insist emphatically that I see no relationship between the Yoruba and the Jewish people.
Dear friends and brothers ... it is logical to surface feelings when mentioned aspects of our ancestral origins, but please try to maintain respect to all other cults and ethnic groups. Not follow the bad example of many Christians who come to the forum to show more fanaticism to provide ....
No one is better than anyone, and we should all be one ...
Could you enlighten me about the term "Anago"?
A friendly greeting!

*Ileke-IdI:
Ori and eleda are used interchangeably

Right.
I was not wrong.
Ori is considered Orisa (the staff Orisa, the fate of each person).
Ori its own has worship (he is worshiped).
But I find no relationship between Ori and Olorun. I think they're different things, but of course I respect and appreciate your opinion.
A respectful greeting dear friend!