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After the scandals caused by pedo.phile cases in which the Vatican had to compensate dozens of families of children rape.d by priests, the Vatican is now again a case of corruption.
Firstly, the butler of the Pope would have stolen selling secret information to a journalist.
It is estimated that if corruption could be related to power sources, namely a number of people who seek to harm some senior officials in order to better position hierarchically. (the power of power)

Pastor hypocrite?
That is redundant.
Joshua is still free?
Evidently, the judicial system is very slow in Nigeria.

jayriginal: Maybe the article needs to minister more to you if you cant "see" the matter you yourself singled out.

Can you define a christian Ola ? Either pick a definition from the other thread or give us one here.

You've nailed it!
Olaadegbu has their own idea of what should be a Christian. But the idea is very different Olaadegbu from that of most pastors, and Christians themselves. I have seen women with long hair and loose in the churches and pastors know and they are forced to wear long skirts and hair short or tied.
I know pastors who steal collecting tithe, and others do not. I know Christians who have sex normally, and others who prefer to masturbate hidden repressed and then repent and pray.
I know Christians who do not drink as Jesus did, and other Christians, who get drunk every day.
I know pastors who forbid the faithful to have sex, and other pastors are known adulterers and have sex with several prostitutes at a time (Jimmy Swaggert)
But Olaadegbu wants to build a personal code that allows you to say that Obama is not Christian.
Olaadegbu part of a terrible error in the pose. In practice this is impossible. Neither the Vatican has done that for centuries.

If some Yoruba in the thread, please help me. The Yoruba were a group of independent kingdoms, but had a common language, traditions and a common patriarch (Oduduwa). That does not mean that the Yoruba do not exist as such. The Yoruba word identifies all those kingdoms and their descendants.
I make this comment in response to what someone said about the . The term Hausa refers not only to a language.
We must not forget that some people have in common not only the language but also a common past, traditions, history, religion, etc..
Do not confuse what is a tribe which was a kingdom, which is an ethnic group.

Fulaman @ 198, I totally agree with you.
Destroy or sever is simple to build and unite many times is really difficult. In 1885, Europeans signed the "Berlin Agreement" that divided Africa. Africans must continue to split? or it is time to reconstruct African identity?


My respects.

OLAADEGBU: Anybody can comment on Obama, but to know who a Christian is you have to be one.

Excuse me you.
Not so. To review pumpkins do not need us to be a pumpkin, but be informed.
You yourself think about atheism ... and I think that's fine.
You consider yourself more Catholic than Obama? On what parameters?
Just as you doubt that Obama is a Christian, I can doubt that you are a Christian ... then you could not review this issue.
Obama claims to be Christian, the church accepts it with joy ...
Olaadegbu, dear friend ... leave you to mourn with this issue, accept that fellow Obama worships the same god, accept that a Christian is president of the most powerful country which pursues the Islamists, the killing and torture, bombing civilian neighborhoods, killing children and women having a university of torture in Guantanamo, Cuba and Africa starves.
Accept it and stop whining you ... be more positive for you ...
I tell you because I appreciate.

I do not understand exactly what the moral standards of Jewish Christian god:
a) Send to sacrifice animals, children and virgins to make offerings; b) condemns the sacrifices
a) We are commanded to love our neighbor b) Order destroying villages and killing every last child
a) condemns adultery b) honors Abraham, David, Solomon, who were adulterers.
a) Order not to drink alcohol b) turns water into wine for all to drink
a) He asks us peace and love b) expels the merchants from the temple with a whip.
I will be brief, but could go with thousands of examples.

Yes, I know some pastors who promote their churches with attractive girls wearing short skirts and sensual look for single men. They also attract the young at church delude making them with a future s.ex.
Joshua is still free? Still not in jail?
How slow the judicial system is!

OLAADEGBU: You have to be a Christian in order for you to know one, are you a Christian? If not why not?

friend
To comment on Obama I must be Christian or Islamic or atheist?
I think you're going from the central theme. You're not answering my questions.
Obama may be a bad Christian, I agree with you.
But Obama is a Christian and nobody can deny!

OLAADEGBU: Being a Christian in short, means to be born again. There is nothing like a Christian thief or a Christian adulterer. You cannot say that no to Him and still have Him as your Lord. It should be yes, Lord. No and Lord are both mutually exclusive.

Exactly.
If the condition of thief or adultere does not problem to be a Christian, his status as a torturer and murderer of innocent women and children, that does not prohibit to Obama being a Christian.
Obama, then, is Christian by conviction and because the Bible and accept it.

PAGAN 9JA:
You will notice that all Pagan Trditional Religions have the same underlying concept even though the people who practiced it have never really met each other in history. Infact all Pagan religions do not have a Man founder, which is why I say they are divine. Thor = Shango = Amadioha = Indra. All these gods strike Thunder and carry weapons. (usually an axe)

Exactly.
Sango's case is very particular. I have been honored to have a dialogue with Pastor AIO, which agree that, historically, is known Sango as the IV Alaafin of Oyo, because the Alaafin of Oyo took for himself the name of divinity (Sango), but not happen otherwise, that is, that does NOT mean that the deity Sango has been effectively the fourth Alaafin of Oyo.

With the gods of traditional religion, there is also different from the Western concept.
They analyze the ax as a tool, a weapon of a god ... a Westerner would consider aggressive, destructive. The nature of Orisa is as ambiguous as nature itself. An ax is used for defense and attack, but also for the edification, for hunting, wood work, etc.. etc. The two-edged ax of Sango represents the equilibrium, the justice ...
Sometimes when I read some forum mates (not you, of course) reviewing so lightly of such things, I feel deep sorrow for the ignorance many have of African traditions, and how much they know about Bible, history of the Jews and Muslims ...

A warm greeting dear friend!

amor4ce: I know very little of the Yoruba Orisha, and even the Yoruba language, else I would have done my own analysis and seen what you pointed out as the difference between Yewa and Yehve. But it doesn't change the meaning of Yehve/Yeve/Yihwe except Modupe Oduyoye got it wrong. Note that this same Oduyoye was able to demonstrate that the Biblical Nod is Ondo and that Cain is Ogun though my counter argument is that Tubal-Cain, the instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron who most likely lived in Ondo/Nod, is in fact Ogun (see Genesis 4:16,32). Also, I did not allude to anything about snake worship but I think it is well explained in this document (quite lengthy but insightful).


*Yoruba ajo is cognate with Hebrew Haj and Arabic Hajj
*“Alhaji” is cognate with Yoruba Alejo
*Igbo “dibia” (medicine man) is cognate (has the same origin) with Arabic “tibia” (Physician, doctor)
the irun-prefix in Yoruba Irunmale (divinities) hitherto thought to be “400” to the Arabic” word harem and Hebrew herem both of which convey the idea of “sacred” or “holy”
*Ijebu “Lisa” (chief of first rank) to Igbo “Olise” (“God” as in Olisemeka) to “Lesa” among the Ambo of Malawi, the Barotse, the Bemba, the Kaonde, Lala, Lamba; the “l-s” consonantal root (which liquid forms are r-s” “l-z” “r-th” which all convey the idea of “head” “chief” first”) is cognate with Hebrew “rosh” (first) to Arabic “ras,” Aramaic “resh” and Akkadian “rishu”. And to Yoruba “Orisha”; Hebrew “Harison-iym” is translated “Ancestors” in Psalm 79.8 , the “-iym” being a mere plural suffix in Hebrew
*gibbor-iym (Yoruba al-agbara)


The name Jesus is derived from the Greek Zeus/IeZeus/JeZeus and is counterfeit. In 168BC Antiochus IV Epiphanes set up an altar to Zeus on top of God's altar in the Temple at Jerusalem. After 135 AD the Romans shattered the people of Judah, destroyed the Temple, and built on that site a temple to Jupiter (Roman name for Zeus). Blacks were driven away from the Levant and their populations replaced. The culprits have been preparing to repeat same here in Nigeria by various means including abandoning/doubting our history. They tried earlier during the slave trade and we should thank Olodumare for using mosquitoes to weaken them - note that they've been spending a lot of resources to shield themselves from tropical diseases like malaria to make our land hospitable for them. It is not for nothing that in the past, Nigeria, Liberia and Sierra Leone were called the white man's grave.

Dear friend:
I am not Yoruba. I have a strong opinion about, based on decades of research, but I am a respectful man, and I think no one better than belonging to a Yoruba traditional religion, to determine if Ogun was Cain.
In my role as researcher, to reach a conclusion like that, I consider to be collected hundreds of tests ...
Cain was bad ... he killed his brother ... Ogun was a warrior, and possibly for those who do not understand the nature of Ogun warrior was bad ... It's a very superficial analysis of the figure of Ogun ... "warrior and bad" that is a caricature. We must learn very deeply about the characteristics of Ogun and Cain, to draw a parallel of that weight. After Ogun there is a philosophy, a vision of life, which may be shared or not, but not simplistic definitions as these topics.
Otherwise, you end up accepting that Ogun was Cain, but was also St. George, etc.. etc.
That would greatly simplify the research, but it is the ethical way to do it.

With regard to the similarity in language:
I have already mentioned the role developed by the Arabs at the time of slavery. Invasions that were subjected Africans by Arab Muslims. Then amazed that there are similar words?
Did you know that the same word Yoruba is pronounced very differently according to the Yoruba dialect in question?.
The Arabs made ​​trade with Africa durannte centuries ...
At all times there has been cultural penetration, language ... Do not confuse that with descent or common root.

It's just my humble opinion.
My respects.

OLAADEGBU: Yes, and even if you are born in a garage does not automatically turn you into a car. The fact that your name is John, Matthew, Mark, Luke or Paul does not mean that you are a Christian.



The fact that Obama claimed to be a Christian doesn't even mean you are one especially if your works, policies and speeches are not congruent or consistent with your profession.



What you need is a new life in Christ and not just a label. You need to live the life, light and love of Christ as is revealed in the New Testament.

"Therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature, old things are passed away; behold all things are become new" (2 Cor. 5:17).

You and I are saying the same thing.
Being born in a garden does not mean being a pumpkin.
The president of Nigeria (and Uruguay), can be a very good president. It can also be a very bad president ...
BUT IS THE PRESIDENT.

A pastor can be excellent (I have pastor friends) or may be a pedop.hile, a thief and a scoundrel tithe, but a pastor!

Obama is not a good Christian.
Obama is a bad Christian.
But Obama is a Christian.
Although many do not like that.

My respects friend Olaa!

buzugee: Ptolomeus i need to come to montevideo. you arrange nice concubines for an israelite man like myself ?

Dear friend ... hahahaha Here are some beautiful women abound!
You are welcome! If you agree, I help with the selection of concubines!
A big hug my dear friend!

ijawkid: If Jesus is now almighty God then I think he needs a priest to mediate between man and Him,,,.....................

I I have some difficulty understanding how someone who is the son of God, and is also the "god almighty" dies nailed to a cross, humiliated in every possible way ...
Does not match the concept of the Almighty, with the humiliating way to die that god ...

As for the confession ... I did not confess to a god who dies in this humiliating manner, let alone with a priest to represent him.

It is my opinion.

@ Logic Mind and @Logicboy
The one you have been of the best exhibitions I've read in the forum.
Thank you for bringing common sense to such radicalization.
In Africa continue to accept the concept that their beliefs, traditions and culture were savage ... that Europeans came to save ...
Today, after centuries of colonization, I would ask what was the gain cultural, religious, economic in Africa?.
Thank goodness there are people like you in Africa.
My warm greetings to both!

logicboy: Well, it's good to realise that good people come from all works of faith be they atheists or muslims or budhhists.

However, they can be good without religion. Religion is one thing that can turn a good person into a bigot.

Most of my christian friends are okay but ask them if they agree with psalm 14;1 and most of them will say "yes".


Psalm 14;1-
14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

This Psalm 14;1 is clear bigotry against atheists. How can my christian friends claim to love me and then agree that I am evil and corrupt? The answer is religion; religion has brainwashed them to believe the bible and partition the bible from reality in their minds.

Another incident; I was talking to a muslim cab driver and we were getting along very well despite our religious differences. When I told him that I had a muslim girlfriend, he slammed the brakes so hard, I thought I would die.


Frosbel, you arent a bad person at the core but religion will rot you to core given specific instances.

I also agree with you; hate the game not the player. I can complain about Islam but not all muslims are terrorists and not all christians are crusaders or witch burners

Hola querido amigo!
Excellent!
If everyone thought and proceed like you, the world would be different ... better.
In this forum there is a contradiction, that the religious are just those who show hatred, bigotry, exacerbation ...
I believe that a religion debría be just the opposite ...
An atheist as you say this to a religious ... is a life lesson ...
Something is wrong in the religions ... an place of love and peace promotes hatred and segregation.
My respects!
Un fuerte abrazo de su amigo uruguayo!

Ubenedictus: 1. actually the bible is very clear that mary didnt Be Intimate before the birthof Jesus. Read luke.

2. u are trying to impose ur ideas on me uh?

3. you see the big problem u are trying to put yourself. The problem is that the historical fact of abt 2000yrs say that Jesus and mary are virgins, where did u get ur history uh?


4. If that's how you see it then, I apologise for the logical fallacy. The fact still remains that Mary didn't remain a virgin after the birth of her "firstborn son" because there were the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th born to say the least that were sired by her and Joseph, Jesus' "legal" father.

1. 1. You do not just read Luke, read the entire Bible.


Matthew 12:46-47 - "While Jesus was speaking to the crowd, his mother had
and his brothers. Standing outside, and wanted to talk to him. Someone said:
'Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, wanting to talk to you. "(NIV)
Matthew 13:55-56 - "Is not this the carpenter's son?
Is not his mother called Mary, and not his brothers James,
Joseph and Simon and Judas? Are not all his sisters with us?
So where did all these things? "

Mark 6:2-3 - "When the Sabbath came, he began teaching in the synagogue.
- Where did this man get these things? - said many wonder
who heard him -. What wisdom is this which has been given?
What explains these miracles that come from your hands?
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of
James, Joses, Judas and Simon?
Are not his sisters here with us? "
Juan2: 12 - "After this he went down to Capernaum with his
mother, his brothers and his disciples, and
were there a few days. "
Hechos1: 14 - "All in one spirit, engaged
to prayer, along with women and
with the brothers of Jesus and his mother Mary. "
1 Corintios9 :4-5 - "Have we not right to eat and
to drink? Have we no right to travel
accompanied by a believing wife, as do other
apostles and Cephas and the brethren of the Lord? "
Galatians 1:19 - "I saw no other apostles;
except James, the brother of the Lord. "

After that, I accept your apology in advance. But do not quote the bible if you do not know.

2. Impose ideas on you? No way!.
My only intention is that you cease to be an ignoramus who talks about something that does not know, and give you a bath of humility that allows you to be humble and allow you to be an irrational fanatic.
You say a woman has a child and stay virgin? Ignorance and aberration Go! The child was born by the ear?
You try to reason, to grow.

3 In no passage is said that Joseph and Mary never had se.x. Much less after the birth of Jesus and his brothers.
Perhaps you are suggesting that Joseph and Mary had some kind of special s.ex?, Not vaginal?. That seems abominable from you!

4. Ok I accept your apology. It appears that you have had a moment of sanity. Right.
It would be good that you also understand that if Joseph and Mary had s.ex after the birth of Jesus (that says it yourself!), There was no reason to not have before.
You said earlier that Joseph and Mary had chosen a se.xless marriage ... now says otherwise ...
It is very difficult for you, to defend an indefensible position without falling into contradictions and you ridicule.

Think before you write, or be exposed to new situations ridiculous.

My respects.

PAGAN 9JA:
Hausa are best, especially in manners.

Nice!

My firm says:
"We were happy ... then they arrived. They left us the Bible, and took the gold" ...
Every day I wonder if colonization brought progress to Africa if Africa really old, with their ingenuity, their cults and traditions were so bad compared to the legacy left by the white ...
Colonization brought something positive to Africa?
These things are the result of "having ceased to be wild"?
What was the instruction? What economic developments? Cultural? scientists? social? brought by the Europeans ...

NRI PRIEST: Igbos are probably the only Nigerian group who has an actual cola nut tradition filled with its rituals; we welcome visitors wuth it,prays with it,offers peace offerings with it,make sacrifices with it,makes traditional gatherings schedule with it and so many more activities.....and the Igbos say "onye wetalu oji wetalu ndu".....meaning; he who presented kola has brought life! Igbo kwenu!

A proud and unshakable nwafor!

Beautiful post!

emöfine2: Lol...Hi Plotomeus

It’s not used in the Catholic communion it’s just that one man compared the significance and ritual of the kola nut to that of the catholic communion.

Have you tried kola nut before?

Ahhhhhhh (relief) Thanks for the reply dear friend! Thank god I read wrongly!
My confusion is that many elements of traditional religion began to be used by Christians ... even the name "Olorun" ...
I thought that was also used cola nut.
I know the kola nut ... I had the honor to try it.
But in our country is not cultivated, possibly as a matter of climate.
As usual, you're a sweet woman.
Thank you dear friend!

The African slave trade was not created, or invented by Muslims.
In the first instance, the first slavers were Portuguese and Dutch. But then, in effect, traffic, and the hunting of slaves, was done almost exclusively by Muslims.
It is a historical fact.

You've heard of San Cipriano?. He wrote a book on witchcraft, he was a witch ... was later canonized.
The murderers of the Inquisition that tortured in the name of god ... merited heaven?
There are more witches in Christianity, that beast of it.

If a pastor, or a pederast Catholic priest confesses his sins go to jail.

Off topic ... Another corruption scandal and intrigue in the Vatican?
Where is the Christian ethics and morality?
What is he thinking the Christian God in your church?
You confess your sins to them?
Mhhhhhh

i.chuka:
Now the Lord had said to Moses,"I will bring one more plague on Pharaoh and on Egypt.after that,he will let you go from here,and when he does,he will drive you out completely...Exd11:1.

"On that same night i will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn-both men and animals-and i will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt.I am the Lord.the Blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are;and when I see the Blood,I will pass over you.no destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt...Exd12:12-13.

With a vengeful and sadistic god like that there is no need to satan.

i.chuka:
"They overcame *him* because of the Blood of the Lamb".
The first and supreme fact in the virtue

Sacrifice of animals! What filth! A religion savage, uncouth and cruel god! Also sacrificed virgins and children ...
That's the Jewish-Christian god?

i.chuka:
The defeat of Satan and the victory of the saints is not by our effort,our straining,our groaning,nor by anything we do.it is the measure of our Faith appropriation of the absolute perfection of Christ

Bravo!
Finally Satan was defeated, after thousands of years of struggle! But ... once defeated Satan, who blame Christians for all the ills of the earth?

i.chuka:
To be continue

What Have I Done to Deserve This?

Logic Mind: i believe it was a mango

Some fruit aphrodisiac? Viagra?

Martini101: .
Babe. U should have said it now! since U re near to the answer. Anyways, for me. That fruit is SEX[/size][size=8pt]

Small children.
I thought the world had changed somewhat since the year 400 to date.
But I see with pain that some people still think the earth is the center of the universe and that sex is satanic.
Well, there's always time to grow. But you make the effort.

PAGAN 9JA:
Mercury is the same as Shango. bot are Gods of War/destructive forces.

Yes they have contact points. We may also associate with Ogun us not forget that Ogun is the war for the war itself, the uncrowned king. There are many parallels, but that does not mean that one is a history of the other. We may also associate Sango with Thor ... I think that looking for such associations often generates confusion rather than clarify ...
Personally, I hate the syncretism that often is made between Orisa and Catholic saints.
Orisa is not a saint ... and Osun there is nothing equal to the Immaculate Conception, Ogun is not St. George!
But do not forget that major changes in traditional religion began in Africa before slavery, as many Vodun were treated as Orisa Vodun. (Nana Mburuku, Somponno, Osumaré ...)

proo212: Jesus Barabbas! Attempts upon attempts just deny the essence of our Lord Jesus Christ. If the name Jesus Christ was specifically given to the child born that was conceived by the Holy Spirit, how will some random person have the same name at the same time too? Then our God is not all knowing, Almighty.

If we are thinking people, we should begin to question all the "scholarly work" that has gone into this exegesis. If a lot Spanish amigos want to bear the name Hesus after the fact then that is their problem but to begin to insist that that name was already in existence before our Lord was born has anti-Jesus written all over it.

The ones who deny his essence that he wasn't crucified are the ones who are asking the question who was really crucified......

And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
� Matt 1:21 NKJV

I know someone named Jesus Luciferian. I see nothing wrong with that. Everything can criticize, but do not forget that Christians call their god "Olorun" and if the god of traditional African religion had been a devil as they say many Christians, Christians call their god Olorun.
No evidence of the crucifixion of Jesus. Like all Christian history, "is a matter of faith."
I do not believe that Mary conceived Jesus being a virgin. She was married to Joseph long ago, and in the context of the time did not accept a marriage is not consummated.
Christians should review the concept of the birth of Jesus more humanized, and possibly many fantasy stories are acceptable.
When we say that "Mary is conceived without sin," is not talking about the birth of Jesus ...
Do not just read the Bible, but also use the neurons, although some people do not work ...