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Jasobry:
Update on my kobo kobo project..

The architect could have visited the site to take physical measurement of the area of the land without a survey plan.

uncleteeh:
Really? How did he come by the architectural drawings in the first place?

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Contact CHOICE COST CONSULT for for quantity surveying services, viz-a-viz

1) Bill of Quantities (Projected estimated cost of construction).
2) Materials and Labour Schedule (breakdown of cost of materials and labour respectively for your construction projects).
3) Valuation of ongoing construction works (know the cost of already existing or ongoing construction).
4) Bidding and Tendering for construction jobs (As a contractor bidding for jobs, you need competitive tender to win the job. Nobody can help you out except a quantity surveyor.
5) Pricing of blank/unpriced bill of quantities for tendering purposes.
6) Invitation, pre-qualification and selection of contractor based on suitable tendering procedure. Don't award your jobs to the least bidder bit the least responsive bidder. Be smart. Don't let contractors fool you.
7) Contract administration from inception to completion of your projects. (interpretation of conditions of contract is one of the duties of a smart quantity surveyor).
cool Preparation of both feasibility and viability studies (if you're engaging in a commercial construction works, know the payback period and rate of investment of your projects. Nobody does it better than a quantity surveyor.
9) Life cycle costing
10) Cost control
11) Cash flow forecasting
Etc

Contact us today.
Mobile no: 09012800750

We're still waiting or our next clients.

Contact CHOICE COST CONSULT for for quantity surveying services, viz-a-viz

1) Bill of Quantities (Projected estimated cost of construction).
2) Materials and Labour Schedule (breakdown of cost of materials and labour respectively for your construction projects).
3) Valuation of ongoing construction works (know the cost of already existing or ongoing construction).
4) Bidding and Tendering for construction jobs (As a contractor bidding for jobs, you need competitive tender to win the job. Nobody can help you out except a quantity surveyor.
5) Pricing of blank/unpriced bill of quantities for tendering purposes.
6) Invitation, pre-qualification and selection of contractor based on suitable tendering procedure. Don't award your jobs to the least bidder bit the least responsive bidder. Be smart. Don't let contractors fool you.
7) Contract administration from inception to completion of your projects. (interpretation of conditions of contract is one of the duties of a smart quantity surveyor).
cool Preparation of both feasibility and viability studies (if you're engaging in a commercial construction works, know the payback period and rate of investment of your projects. Nobody does it better than a quantity surveyor.
9) Life cycle costing
10) Cost control
11) Cash flow forecasting
Etc

Contact us today.
Mobile no: 09012800750

You will need the survey plan if you've not gotten one already.

TEQ365VENTURES:
Good evening ppl I have a project going in ogun state and would love to know the processes involved in getting plan approval. Already I have the structural and architectural drawings would love to know if these are enough to apply. Thanks

Kudos for a job well done.

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God". Mat.5 : 9.

Irrespective of differences and disputes arising from transactions, it's in best interest of all parties to amicably settle it.

I'll revert shortly.

Enyinne:
Thanks Femi . I hv bought the iron like 12mm 79 pieces but yet to get the cement. Any idea on cement quantity.

On the quantity of material required, there's more information needed to get what you need. However, based on my experience on the location of your site, the septic tank and soak away (Cesspool) is going to be reinforced concrete throughout. If that should be the case, then I can give you the cement and reinforcements quantities since that seems to be your concern.

Enyinne:
Pls whats the size by feet . Pls kindly help me with the material requirements for this size . Thanks

That is the way to go.

quote author=Enyinne post=105208060]I will like to thank everyone that mediated on this door issue with Michlin. We hv finally settled it amicably, i was able to take 4 doors out of it as my engineer said that the maximum we can take cos of the size . It will be managed and used for the kitchen side but not suitable for the entrance side .So Michlin agreed to refund 60k to me while i keep the door till he finds a way to retrieve it . It was a peaceful settlement by both parties . I will do the needful.
Michlin I apologize for the use of words but it was caused by the ill treatment i was receiving. Lets treat each other with more kindness, it helps .
Thanks so much . I will do the needful on my post [/quote]

30sqm = 17 cartons
9sqm = 5 cartons
8sqm = 5 cartons
38sqm = 27 cartons
16sqm = 12 cartons
22sqm = 16 cartons

These quantities are based on the assumption that you're using 40 x 40 having 12pcs in a carton and 25 x 40 having 15pcs in a carton. Included also is allowance for waste and breakages.

Laudbtc:
Gurus in the house, please I need help estimating the catoon of tiles for the following square meter and the cost per pack.
30 square meter (40x 40)
9 square meter. (40x 40)
8 square meter. (40x 40)
38 square meter. (25x 40)
16 square meter. (40x 40)
22 square meter. (25x 40)
Thank you.

On this door issue, it's somewhat difficult to wade in without appearing siding with one party at the expense of the other. However, I just want to lend my voice towards finding an amicable solution.

First of all, we cannot shy away from the fact that both parties already have a very strained relation as regards this issue. The buyer's dissatisfaction on the one sided design which has earlier been raised and settled albeit unsatisfactorily to her. Coupled with her finding of the shortage in the width of the door, which in all honesty, wasn't an attempt by the vendor to make illicit gains. It's a normal thing in door sizes.

Instead of the dissatisfied clients to live with resentful thoughts towards the vendor and the doors while using them, why don't we suggest that the doors be returned to the vendor to be sold to other interested buyers? This comes at a cost which I understand fully. The cost of transportation of the doors from Lagos back to the East and waiting period for the doors to be sold. The cost of transportation can be shared by both parties equally while I implore Enyinne to exercise patience while the doors are sold so that she can recoup her money. I guess this is a more suitable approach than trading blames and insulting one another.

An acre of land is 4,046 square metres. This means that the perimeter of the land can be approximately calculated which will be used to get the estimate for the fencing. The cost will depend on some considerations: the nature of the soil, type of materials to be used for the perimeter fence - blocks, barb wire, wood etc, height of the fence and other factors.
So, you should decide on this and also hint us on the nature of soil.

Greenarrow01:
abeg how much should one budget to fence an acre of land
Kobokobo project

9 cartons as answered by Soonest. That's including skirting and waste.

gandkiss:
Good morning Tilers in the house, please how many cartons of 40*40 tiles will cover a 12 by 12 room, with skirting.
Thanks

My final note on the QS and engineers rivalry as regards costing of some engineering developments.

First of all, I raised this issue so that clients and citizens can be aware of the current situation of things between the two professions. Both engineers and QS already know this since time immemorial.

The role of QS is non disputable in the building construction industry. The resistance QS is facing is in other areas of engineering developments that I've already highlighted in most of my previous posts.

The goal of specialisation and development of a profession transcends earning a living from it, rather, it's a means towards national development - which should be the focus of any well meaning citizen.

Nigeria is currently a developing country and with lots of infrastructure gaps to be put in place to meet her teeming populations. As of now, Nigeria cannot boast of steady and uninterrupted power supply, homegrown automobile industry, homegrown advanced and mechanized crop production for food security, sustainable and cost effective road construction technology, inadequate railing system and myriads of other infrastructure problems. In a nutshell, Nigeria is bedeviled with unsolved engineering problems. Compared to medical profession in Nigeria, home trained doctors, pharmacists, nurses, medical laboratory scientists and other related health workers have been fully managing the health of Nigerians since time immemorial. In Nigeria of today, the engineering profession is the most proliferated by expatriates just to fill the vacuum of technical know how that our home trained engineers are lacking. What a pity!

Come to think of it, I see no serious researches in this area by our all knowing engineers to solve these problems to make life easy for a common man. Please do not get me started on lack of funding or political will to meet these challenges. In Nigeria tertiary institutions, there are lots of professors of engineering in virtually all fields of engineering practised in this country. You begin to wonder, what novel innovations have earned them this highly prestigious academic status without corresponding research outputs for national developments. These scholars are highly funded through TETFUND, grants etc. The point I am making here is that the vast numerous engineering problems in the country are so great that the engineering body in the country should rather be too busy finding lasting solutions to them rather than encroaching into other professions. QS is not the only body having problems with them. So also is Estate Surveyors and Valuers who are contending with engineers on valuation of plants, machinery and other engineering developments for whatever purpose.

To my audience, the matter between the engineers and QS as regards costing of engineering works is already subjudice (the case is already in court) so that the court can interpret the act of the National Assembly establishing the two professions. You know in law, you cannot argue a case in public that is already ongoing in court. I only brought it up here for educational purpose.

May Nigeria win all her battles.

You've spoken fairly and from experience.

The fact that you've met few QS that couldn't effectively handle MEP bills doesn't mean that there are not QS that can effectively prepare such. I've met so many civil engineers that cannot prepare structural drawings. In today's QS practice, there are many QS that specialized in only MEP bills. For instance, many QS are working with Mor and Mor - a purely electrical services installation companies. At Console Associates - a foremost QS firm, they've more than 100 QS that specialized on various aspects of engineering costing.

topsy23:
Well, both QS and engineer can perform the same duty but in different ways, When i graduated from university, i worked in MEP contracting company in which i was attached to senior Electrical Engineer doing bill of engineering measurement and evaluation. I was under him for 5-weeks before he left the company then i took over the boq preparation. It was a huge task for me and i was able to handle all bills and also generate boq from the Electrical design drawing.

Though, we have a QS but according to him he said they only trained them on civil works aspect of bill preparation. What he does is Valuation on all the on-going projects, attend site meetings with engineers to know when the company is due for valuation, prepare LPO for vendors, negotiate with suppliers, etc. Most QS are good in civil aspect of bill preparation except few of them that are trying to do MEP boq.

Anytime a tender is being sent to us then and the MEP boq were prepared by QS, we always have alot of variations and additional works on that project if awarded to us then.

These days most of the MEP BOQ is always prepared by MEP consultants with the detail materials. I have prepared alot of detailed MEP boq for Nairalanders. at times there would be no design but with the experience i have.

Listen to the experienced engineer. He's far more knowledgeable than you in the practice of engineering. I've read a lot of his thoughts on pertinent engineering practice problems here. I'm yet to read any one from you yet. I give you benefit of doubt though. If your surest bet to defend BEME is to run an arbitrarily google check for its existence or meaning, then you're far more ignorant than I thought. Google brings results about just anything searched and that doesn't even make the results valid, reliable or legal.

yungmin:
It seems you are either ill-informed or you just want to support nonsense. I wonder how much you had to dig to bring this link up. When you type BEME on Google, the you posted doesn't even show up anywhere rather there different writeups on BEME.

I wonder where you guys practice and your training. Even "builders" by their training are able to prepare costing for their project. Don't feel threatened unnecessarily. I personally do not do costing unless for minor works. There is no attack on QS as a profession here. I have many as colleagues and I refer them for jobs whenever it comes.

Is that your best defence now?

yungmin:
And you did not state the section that prohibits engineers from doing costing.

Get yourself educated first before throwing the word "ignorance" around. There's nothing like BEME in the eye of the law. It's just an unscrupulous attempt by engineers to usurp QS of their primary roles of costing. Come to think of it, you think the construction you mentioned such as bridges, jetties etc cannot be cost by a QS? How ignorant are you! Last two weeks, I prepared a bid for a dredging project brought to me by an engineer. Countless Quantity Surveyors are working with Julius Berger, Cappa and D'Alberto, CCECC (China Civil Engineering Construction Company) undertaking bridges, road construction, railway constructions. I've worked in a road construction company before costing nothing but roads, bridges and related works.

The term "cost engineering" is foreign to the Nigerian infrastructure development industry. It's never an area of specialisation in Nigeria. Rather, it's a specialized field used mostly in the USA. Due to absence of the term "quantity surveying" in the USA, cost engineering suffices to fulfil the role. Some of Nigerian trained quantity surveying graduates have undertaken post graduate studies in cost engineering in the USA. This should tell you that cost engineering is not domiciled only in the body of engineering alone even in the USA.

Nigeria gained independence from the UK and most of the tertiary education curriculum in Nigeria is fashioned after the UK model. In the UK construction and infrastructure development Industry, quantity surveyors are the only recognised cost expert on infrastructure developments - buildings, roads, bridges, jetties, railways etc.

The fight by engineers to oversee costing of infrastructure developments is an attempt to further drag the country further into the abyss of corruption that the country is already battling with.

Design and costing are two independent specialized fields and they're not mutually inclusive.

yungmin:
You are beginning to display your ignorance. Are you the one costing roads and bridges? What law established that engineers don't do costing? Please, state it? Or you don't know the is a full body of knowledge called cost engineering? Or you don't know cost engineering is an area of specialization for some engineers? What do you know by your training as a QS about bridges, roads, jetties etc. Have you heard of the term - BEME(bill of engineering measurements and evaluation)? Is it a QS' term? Stop displaying your ignorance.

Please, state the section of the law that prohibits engineers from costing.

I didn't insult you in any way. I only told you to mind your design business and leave QS out of it. The bolded is actually laughable because that's the false impression engineers go about telling unsuspecting clients. Engineering practice as established by the law in the country never identify nor recognise costing as one of the roles engineers played. Doing so is tantamount to quackery. Same way we've draughtsmen doing structural designs without requisite qualification and competence. That doesn't make them engineers. Engineers preparing bills, no matter how badly prepared it's, is nothing but quackery. Quantity Surveying practice is also established by CAP Q1 Laws of the Federation of Nigeria (LFN) 2004, used to be decree No 31 of December 5, 1986 - an act of the National Assembly. Do well to familiarise yourself with laws establishing COREN in the country.

Back to materials take off from designs that you're bragging about, I still main the status quo, it's not a big deal. It's been around for years.

yungmin:
Chairman, read to understand. I specifically mention "material take-off" and not "BOQ" and that is what I was referring to by saying that I can provide the deliverable without a QS. Also, most jobs I have done and even in my current place of employment, I simplify the work of the QS by giving them the material take-off which they then arrange in their professional way for pricing. And beside, Engineers do prepare bills as well. So....

You came in peace but your comment is riddled with insulting language. Even without Revit, I can prepare all the material take-off manually. So, I really do not know what your grouse is.

You did well by advertising the services and skills that you can offer. However, you do not promote your services while playing down another equally noble profession as yours. You said clients don't need Quantity Surveyor just because your software can be used to take off quantities from drawings. Your knowledge is actually very limited on the horizon of the QS practice. Quantity Surveying has lots of software that they used to prepare their Bill of Quantities. Softwares that do not only take off quantities but also prepare prepare of bill of quantities. Examples include QSCAD, MBBS, MASTERBILL among others. Do not think for a second that you've just discovered the most profound finding of the century just because your software used in design can take off quantities. It's nothing new. Even Revit and AUTOCAD do that. What you fail to grasp is that quantities generated by these softwares are "net quantities" in most items of work and CANNOT be used to order the right quantities of materials from the market. Besides, most items of work are composite items - concrete, block work, mortar etc which software couldn't even itemise individual quantities.

So, just advertise your services and leave QS out of your troubles.


I come in peace.

yungmin:
I salute the legends in the house. If you need to optimize your design or in need of standard structural drawings, kindly call us.

If you feel your working drawings are currently over design, call us for optimization. We may only agree on sharing ratio for any cost savings.

* Detail formwork drawings in Revit
* Structural design with staadpro
* Structural detailing with soficad
* Precise bar bending schedule
* Direct extract of material take-off from Revit.
* We can give you your material quantities for your carcass. You don't need a QS.
* All structural designs and drawing are to latest euro codes (many engineers are still in the ages of BS codes)
* And above all, you are getting a standard Julius Berger kind of structural details.

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Thank you

You're correct. You just have to make provisions for deducting a door and probably a window.

coldcandy:
For painting a 12x12 room, you should consider 4 walls sir.
12+12+12+12 is 48ft all round.
48ft is 14.6m.
Area of 4 walls is 14.6 x 2.7 = 39.4 sqm

I carefully went through the quote
The labour rates are fair except for reinforcement that's highly overpriced. On the quantity of materials, there are some sections that are needlessly high e.g 3500 blocks for a measured area of 279sqm is high. Also, cement quantities are excessively high. In order to get a fair estimate, please attach your architectural and structural drawings.

Thanks.

Quantity Surveyor.

Alkanelly:
Hello experts and experienced builders, I will need your help to review this quote for a 250sqm house, the quote is for foundation to dpc level with oversite slab inclusive. I feel like the material quantity in some sections are over quoted. Kindly help a brother. The foundation will be a raft foundation

We're still waiting or our next clients.

Contact CHOICE COST CONSULT for for quantity surveying services, viz-a-viz

1) Bill of Quantities (Projected estimated cost of construction).
2) Materials and Labour Schedule (breakdown of cost of materials and labour respectively for your construction projects).
3) Valuation of ongoing construction works (know the cost of already existing or ongoing construction).
4) Bidding and Tendering for construction jobs (As a contractor bidding for jobs, you need competitive tender to win the job. Nobody can help you out except a quantity surveyor.
5) Pricing of blank/unpriced bill of quantities for tendering purposes.
6) Invitation, pre-qualification and selection of contractor based on suitable tendering procedure. Don't award your jobs to the least bidder bit the least responsive bidder. Be smart. Don't let contractors fool you.
7) Contract administration from inception to completion of your projects. (interpretation of conditions of contract is one of the duties of a smart quantity surveyor).
cool Preparation of both feasibility and viability studies (if you're engaging in a commercial construction works, know the payback period and rate of investment of your projects. Nobody does it better than a quantity surveyor.
9) Life cycle costing
10) Cost control
11) Cash flow forecasting
Etc

Contact us today.
Mobile no: 09012800750

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QSFemi:
We're still waiting or our next clients.

Contact CHOICE COST CONSULT for for quantity surveying services, viz-a-viz

1) Bill of Quantities (Projected estimated cost of construction).
2) Materials and Labour Schedule (breakdown of cost of materials and labour respectively for your construction projects).
3) Valuation of ongoing construction works (know the cost of already existing or ongoing construction).
4) Bidding and Tendering for construction jobs (As a contractor bidding for jobs, you need competitive tender to win the job. Nobody can help you out except a quantity surveyor.
5) Pricing of blank/unpriced bill of quantities for tendering purposes.
6) Invitation, pre-qualification and selection of contractor based on suitable tendering procedure. Don't award your jobs to the least bidder bit the least responsive bidder. Be smart. Don't let contractors fool you.
7) Contract administration from inception to completion of your projects. (interpretation of conditions of contract is one of the duties of a smart quantity surveyor).
cool Preparation of both feasibility and viability studies (if you're engaging in a commercial construction works, know the payback period and rate of investment of your projects. Nobody does it better than a quantity surveyor.
9) Life cycle costing
10) Cost control
11) Cash flow forecasting
Etc

Contact us today.
Mobile no: 09012800750

What's the size of the door she requested - 900mm or 1200mm? I asked because the attached sample that you said she requested is 1200mm while the one you made was 900mm.

michlins:
This was me showing her daily progress report on the job. She didn't complain, she didn't ask single question. Na today I have finished working on the doors that she started telling me she was unaware.


The colors were chosen by her too. Everything from start to finish

We can make reasonable assumptions. 250 square metres can be any of the following though not exhaustive list.

1) 25 metres x 10 metres = 83 feet x 33 feet
2) 20 metres x 12.5 metres = 67 feet x 42 feet.
3) 16.7 metres x 15 metres = 53 feet x 50 feet.


Etc

ysalli:
Pleas help,
250 square meter is how many feet by how many feet?

You caught me unawares honestly. The quote sounds endearing now.

dongc:
I am sure you are not aware that is not the complete quote and exactly not the full meaning of that quote...

The complete saying was originally

“A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.”

The quote in full

When there is no specialization, what you've is "anyhowness". Jack of all trade, master of none.

Aforxzy:
I saw this staircase and I wonder how can someone construct this for human use.

The project is taking shape.

rmx:
No wahala , told all the contractors at the beginning that the project will bring them quality work considering the location and visibility , that they should focus on executing well , that it will be a land mark . It’s already happening ,the architect , the glass installer etc have gotten jobs because of that project

It will be same for ring road and akala

Meanwhile started dpc at akala