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MaxInDHouse:
I said ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God not only son.

I hope you are the bolded

DeepSight:
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Never. He actually rebuked those who called him God.

DeepSight:
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Their ministries are alive and well and comparatively doing well compared to Jesus' ministry if you look at how long they have existed.

musicwriter:
You think you're talking to someone with no knowledge of history?

What exactly did Tacitus say? Where's your primary source?

Again, be informed that before your Jesus, Ptolemy 1 Soter called himself "Christ" about 300 BC. So, if Tacitus mentioned a "Christ"; could it be he was talking about Ptolemy Soter?

DeepSight:
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Many have made that claim. Olumba Olumba Obu springs to mind. So does Abd Ru Shin.

However I can cite numerous verses where Jesus denied being God.

DeepSight:
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Please also tell me who were called sons of God in the book of Job.

​"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them." — Job 1:6 (KJV/ESV)


And tell me if they were human.

DeepSight:
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Many have made that claim. Olumba Olumba Obu springs to mind. So does Abd Ru Shin.

However I can cite numerous verses where Jesus denied being God.

DeepSight:
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Special pleading.
In the Bible, he expressly denies being God over and over again.

DeepSight:
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Lol. Who do you think Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Judaists, Taoists, Shintoists, Traditionalists call on when in similar moments of terror, whatever that terror may be, mental or emotional?

Keep joking.

DeepSight:
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1. Whose son are you

2. Who are those referred to as the sons of God in the book of Job.

MaxInDHouse:
Now you are talking.

sonmvayina just love aimless arguments

Himself, his Jewish landlord and atheist friends were like first century antagonists trying to silence young kids who were saying:

“Blessed is the one coming as the King in Jehovah’s name! Peace in heaven, and glory in the heights above" Luke 19:38

Jesus told them:

“I tell you, if these (children) remained silent, the stones would cry out.” Luke 19:40

Why?

Because Jesus is God's only begotten Son who doesn't need historians to get his messages across the globe!

sonmvayina:
But God already said his servant is Israel.....why are you arguing? read that Isaiah 45:1-7 or 41:1-9
God said his servant is Israel...

sonmvayina:
lol...something you are ignorant about,

DeepSight:
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He didn't mention Jesus by name, rather as "Christus" and said he was executed by Pilate. Notably he was referring to the origin of the term "Christian." He wrote a century after the claimed birth of Jesus of Nazareth, and was talking about the great fire of Rome under Nero and the persecution of Christians.

By the time he was writing, the claims of who was the founder of the Christian sect would have been his reference.

That the said Christus was executed, is not my particular dispute or contest, nor do I say such a character never existed, but for me, it is open to contestation. Certainly, there were many different people with elements of the Jesus story in their lives at the time.

sonmvayina:
Tell me.

who is the we and what message did they hear??

sonmvayina:
it is not a prophecy...it is in the past tense...

common...

isaiah already told you that the servant is Israel see Isaiah 45:1-7. why are you arguing??

sonmvayina:
who is the "we" and what message did they hear?

musicwriter:
Tacitus mentioned a "Christ" which was a title in use before your Jesus.

Many figures (real or imagined) had been called "Christ" before anybody heard of your Jesus, so Tacitus could have been talking about anybody

musicwriter:
Historians have already dismissed supposed Joseph's comment about Jesus as a forgery, unfortunately, people are not aware of this fact.

Josephus NEVER said anything about the Jesus of the Bible, instead the Roman empire inserted comments into Josephus's writing to make it appear as if he was talking about the Jesus of the Bible. It was an age of religious forgery to prove the existence of Jesus by any means possible, including by fraud, in fact, they called it "pious fraud" and it was deemed as doing the " good work" of the Lord.

Use any good AI like Grok and put in the following question "how do historians know that Josephus's comment about Jesus Christ is a forgery?" Of course, you can ask subsequent questions around that

DeepSight:
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No need for me to check it out, I am very well aware of this. I was actually assessing your credentials.
Pass mark.

musicwriter:
Everything you read about Jesus NEVER happened.

It's work of literature.

Jesus NEVER existed. That's a better reason instead of running around and around.

musicwriter:
Stop misleading people!!

Again, historians mentioned the names of Jesus'ES of that day that deserved a mention (I've already given you names of some of them). And your Jesus was more prominent than those mentioned- according to your Bible.

A Jesus that was born by a virgin, walked on water, fed multitudes, healed the sick, etc, would have been more important to any historian.

Tell me why historians mentioned names of LESS important Jesus'ES instead of the more important one in your Bible?

musicwriter:
For your information, Judea wasn't and still isn't a large city, whether judging by ancient or modern standard.

The whole place isn't bigger than a local government area (LGA) in Nigeria. So, your whole perception of the size of the place is wrong to begin with.

Yes, historians of that day recorded names of everything, including names of Jesus'ES of that day. But none of them came across or ever heard of the Jesus of the Bible who's supposed to be the most popular according to your Bible. The reason is because your Jesus NEVER existed.

LordReed:
Oh if that is the case then I don't have a problem with that. I can accept that a Jew who was seen as seditious to the empire was crucified, that was how the Romans treated threats to their operations.

MaxInDHouse:
You like worrying yourself my guy.

Can you remember when anyone ask you how people come about using paper designed as money in exchange for everything?

Yet they are ready to quarrel, fight and even kill their neighbors for money.

So if they are seeing the disciples of Christ all over the earth preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom let them continue arguing about Jesus' existence.

sonmvayina:
isaiah 53 is what the kings of the earth will say when they witness the redemption of the Jewish people. isaiah already told you more than 8 times prior to chapter 53 that the servant is Israel. why the controversy??

sonmvayina:
isaiah 53 is what the kings of the earth will say when they witness the redemption of the Jewish people. isaiah already told you more than 8 times prior to chapter 53 that the servant is Israel. why the controversy??

sonmvayina:
why did you skip the first two verses ?

sonmvayina:
and a new religion was trying to disturb their culture and tradition, they had to fight the brain washing of their children.

sonmvayina:
leviticus is not a prophecy. it is the book of the law.
isaiah 53 is about a suffering SERVANT and isaiah told you more than 8 times prior to 53 that the servant is Israel.. no controversy here.

LordReed:
Again a symbol can represent anything. Do you realise the Nazis used a cross just as they they were killing millions of Jews? I guess that means the Nazis were right in what they were doing because they used the cross?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus himself knew that history can't be on his side because Satan is the one in control of all the fields having to do with money and riches among mankind that is why he said to his disciples:

"You will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth" Act 1:8

Are they to be arguing about Jesus' existence?

NO!

Rather it's by their activities as prophesied in the Bible before Jesus that will serve as evidence or witness that the promised Prince Of Peace has come and taught people through his wonderful counsel {Isaiah 9:6} how to form a global family of peace loving worshipers in preparation for the coming new world!

@ Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3

This is what we found:


In the last days the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.



Malachi said:


Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. ‭Malachi 3:16 NIV‬


So if there is a global organization of worshipers who have used what they found in the Bible to resolve all their disparities peacefully among themselves, stop producing, buying selling and using of weapons and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone yet someone keeps agitating about the existence of God's promised Prince Of Peace there is no need wasting my precious time with such ones.

Malachi said while we are going about discussing with interested ones who are seeking the righteousness of God and reasoning with them from the scriptures {Matthew 10:11-13; 28:19-20} Jehovah's angels are writing down our names and the names of those paying attention to us {Malachi 3:16} because that's the only way people's name can enter into the book of life! Revelation 20:15🙂

musicwriter:
Your view is contrary to your Bible!

Your Bible paints the image of a popular Jesus in his time.

He is said to have fed "multitudes" numbering over 5,000.

He resurrected Lazarus from the dead in the presence of many.

He went into a city to heal people and the crowd was so many that some people tied their friend on a rope and threw him into the healing arena through the ceiling.

He went into a city riding a young horse and the people shouted Hosanna throughout the city.

He resurrected from the dead and the whole world saw him ascend into heaven.

He was pelted with stones by the crowd on the day of his crucification. And many people witnessed his crucification. A Pilate even asked the "crowd" who should I release to tou: Jesus or the thief?

So, you must be talking about a different Jesus, not the popular one in your Bible

LordReed:
It doesn’t matter why they adopted it, that is not an indication that the religion is therefore true or has more merit than any other religion.