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MaxInDHouse:
NO!
Rebellion against God's arrangement led us where we are today this is not what want for us that's why He promised to destroy those who are not doing His will! 1John 2:15-17 compare to Matthew 7:21-23

God is all-knowing, and not bound by time as we are. He knows our decisions before we make them. He knows the future and the past and can see your end before you were even born.
The Bible presents God's will as a sovereign plan that unfolds according to His timing, not ours. Our job is to actively participate by aligning our lives with His will instead moving mountains to try to thwart it!

MaxInDHouse:
All normal human have the same type of brain there is no difference once you are warned not to do something whatever makes you go against it is your fault not the fault of anyone else!

This is like saying all humans (or all babies) have the same personality!
But my good friend, be honest with yourself for once. Do you really think God will leave unfolflding of his plan to the whims of human freewill? Don't you feel somehow that your life was meant to go a a certain way?? That all these things were pre-ordained?

onuman:
They will tell you Azikiwe refused referendum in the constitution. As if Azikiwe took part in the supervision of the 1999 Constitution. In any surviving country, Referendum is the main ingredient of democracy.

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Azikiwe refused that a secession clause be put in the constitution. Awo was jumping up and down that it be included (because at back of his mind he intended to pull Yorubas out of Nigeria - and Zik knew it! )

There'd have been no Biafran war if that clause was included. There'd have been no legal basis for Nigeria to fight Biafra

MaxInDHouse:
This is a lie!
The only difference between Adam and others is a perfect human body apart from that we all have freewill to choose whether the right or wrong thing.

Ok, who gave Adam his type of brain and all the supporting circumstances and experiences that led to the choice. Which of those did Adam give himself?

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry in this case it was Adam God spoke to directly and he passed the info to Eve so he knew they are in big trouble!


You are the argumentative one here.
God punished Adam and Eve which can't be justified if there is no freewill.


All these gymnastics doesn't change the fact that once you've been warned there is a no reason to do what you have been told not to do!🙂

(All this is from human perspective. There are things only God knows we don't - (this is the type of concession someone NOT being argumentative makes!)

It was also God that gave Adam his type of brain and ALL the supporting experiences and circumstances that led to that choice. What else can be the basis of Adam's choice besides these? That was what was meant when you were asked the basis of Adam's freewill.

But God never said they were punished because of freewill, man said that not God. What God did say was:
"I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy
(Exodus 33:19) . Hence God's nature is not based on freewill.
There are many instances of this: people being punished or rewarded and they did nothing. Examples: Esau and Jacob and all the people whose roles were set from beginning, like Judas

MaxInDHouse:
Freewill can't be based on anything since the individual is FREE to choose there is consequences which the person may damn or consider.
As for your question who told you not to enter in the first place?🙂

You can let it be anybody that told you. The important thing is that your partner (taster😆) entered and did not die, but instead come out smiling.

You misunderstand the freewill questions.
Here are the questions again below. Honestly answer them to the best of your ability, not just being argumentative to be argumentative.

1) Man has choice, right? But this choice is based on something, right? Question: does man control what that choice is based on?
2) Does man in any way control inner workings of his brain which is where thought and therefore choice originates?
3) Did man give himself the type of brain he has that helps determine his choice?
4) Did man choose his circumstances and experiences that help determine his choice?
5) Did man give himself the type of personality he has that help determine his choice
6) Finally the religious one: How can things be foretold to happen thousands of years ahead of time as if they already happened - and they happen exactly as foretold! Can u please tell us how this and freewill can both be true.

MaxInDHouse:
Adam was not deceived {1Timothy 2:14} he knew he will die because the One whose energy sustains him said so!
To your question i won't put my God to the test {Matthew 4:7; Deuteronomy 6:16} since He has spoken i'm 100% certain that He cannot lie! Titus 1:2

You quoted ten Bible verses and still didn't answer the questions: What was Adam's freewill.based on? And would you enter the room described?

SpencerForbes:
And all this are USA leaders?? Lolz 😆 majority of them are druglords? Seems you know nothing about Hollywood. How did Tupac end??

Do you think people like 50 cents would want a single mother to raise his child?

How are you sure they are happy they were raised without a father??

You were told NOT TO GENERALIZE!!
Compare to yourself that was raised by a whole village. You don't have shishi and here you are comparing yourself to people enormously wealthy from excelling in their chosen fields!

OdogwuAnambra:
My point is that most kids raised by single mum turn out funny... It takes two decent individuals to raise a child


I will not advise my kids to marry someone raised by a divorced person or single mum ...exception of a widow

And my point is you shouldn't generalize. Sometimes it takes unique circumstances to raise someone unique. Don't you find it odd that so many of very successful people were raised by single mothers?

OdogwuAnambra:
Blablabla

Talk what you know


The general global context: regions such as sub-Saharan Africa (which includes several Muslim-majority or Muslim-plurality countries) have among the highest global rates of single mothers. According to a poll by Gallup, about 32% of women age 18-60 in sub-Saharan Africa are unmarried and have children under 15 in their households — a proxy for single motherhood.

By comparison, in majority-Muslim regions like the Middle East & North Africa, the share of children living with a single parent (and no other adult) is relatively low (~ 3% in a global survey).

That difference partly reflects that in many Muslim-majority (and poorer) contexts — especially in Africa — extended family or polygamous households remain more common than nuclear single-parent homes.

Examples — Poorer or Lower-Income Muslim Countries with Higher FHH / Single-Parent Rates

Here are a few countries that appear in data for female-headed or single-parent households, and which are relatively poorer / lower-income (or face development challenges).

Country What data shows / approximate rate or trend

Guinea-Bissau Listed among OIC countries with “Single Parent with Children” households in household-type data.

Uganda ~ 24.1% households headed by a woman (2014) in OIC data tables.
Mali

Among OIC countries with rising female-headed households / single-parent families.
Senegal According to OIC-report, female-headed households reached about one-third of households in 2019.

Mozambique Same as above — cited among countries with ~ 1/3 households headed by women.

Where aer your data from? Post them like posted mine. Countries that lead innovations all have high single mothers rates

Dtruthspeaker:
Like we do not know your intentions.

Arguing something that is rather obvious. You LOST! Just collect your L and verbose!
Here's what I posted the other guy:
Ok, explain to us how this freewill works.
1) Man has choice, right? But this choice is based on something, right? Question: does man control what that choice is based on?
2) Does man in any way control inner workings of his brain which is where thought and therefore choice originates?
3) Did man give himself the type of brain he has that helps determine his choice?
4) Did man choose his circumstances and experiences that help determine his choice?
5) Did man give himself the type of personality he has that help determine his choice
6) Finally the religious one: How can things be foretold to happen thousands of years ahead of time as if they already happened - and they happen exactly as foretold! Can u please tell us how this and freewill can both be true.

SpencerForbes:
Which country doesn’t have single mothers, Nigeria?Single mothers ruined the society. Go to Benin and owerri and see how many mothers are buying phones for their kids to do fraud or let’s talk about those that have been sponsored by their mothers to go do hookup in Italy. Ask Regina’s mom if she’ll agree with what you just wrote. Face reality!

You’ve not made any points so I’ll ignore you or probably you want me to keep digging the disadvantages of single moms.
Mind you Jim Iyke was also raised by a single mom so he has experience than some ladies that collected school fees from their dad. Barrack Obama supported gay and you can never compare him to Vladimir Putin. Even in politics.

Countless black American leaders? Is that a joke?

Please mention 5?

You don’t have any points.

Nigeria has half the single mother rate compared to US. Some of the most backward Muslim countries have almost zero. I'm sure if Boko Haram were a country they'd have zero.
Some Black American leaders raised by single mothers:
Jesse Jsckson, James Brown, James Baldwin
Al Sharpton, Jay-Z, Barack Obama, Tupac Shakur, 50 Cent. Biggie Smalls, Dr. Dre, Sean Combs, etc.
These are all billionaires and millionaires and all excelled in their fields. How much do you have?

MaxInDHouse:
The only people exempted from the punishment that comes along with freewill are dead or those whose brains aren't working normally.
As for Adam he was made perfect so his brains works perfectly therefore himself and all those who do think straight have freewill!🙂

Yet his perfect brain chose to eat apple!
Funny thing is, he was provided with a tester who first tasted it and did not die! If you were told if anyone goes into a certain room they'd die inside there and someone went in and came out smiling, would you go in?

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you have changed post. Did you not say before "We never said AI has freewill"?

Now your own words tie you.

This is ridiculous. He has "freewill" in quotes, meaning it is NOT real freewill! You can't be that illiterate.
You are the one who has been saying humans have freewill and AI doesn't

OdogwuAnambra:
He was raised by the single mum ! And you see Everything from money perspective

He was one of the worst president in America with terrible character ! Fought wars, created LGTBQ group and messed the poor up ... And that's terrible character! That's why Trump is cleaning it up !


Dude I am not talking about money ! I am talking about characters and he STARTED IMPOSING LGTBQ in the world and that's your man raised by single mum

SpencerForbes:
For everyone picture you can provide, I can provide 15 more cases that prove single moms are bad ideas for the society. A few good eggs don’t make the whole crate good.

My friend the point is that you should stop making sweeping generalizations when 4 of the 6 richest women in the world were raised by single mothers and two of recent US presidents too, and countless Black American leaders. Nigeria that doesn't have single mothers, what have they produced except kidnappers, Fulani, UGM, Boko Haram, IPOB

OdogwuAnambra:
He was raised by the single mum ! And you see Everything from money perspective

He was one of the worst president in America with terrible character ! Fought wars, created LGTBQ group and messed the poor up ... And that's terrible character! That's why Trump is cleaning it up !


Dude I am not talking about money ! I am talking about characters and he STARTED IMPOSING LGTBQ in the world and that's your man raised by single mum

😅 This is just unbelievable. Do you know what is character? Someone who had the character and testicular fortitude to become the very president of US. Try to be Local Council and see if people won't toss you out because they can sense your weak lack of character

OdogwuAnambra:
Graduating with masters isn't a big deal but what we are talking about is Manly characters

You don't give what you don't have
Single women can't raise strong men! That's the fact

Don't mistake education for character or social qualifications of a man! Having gbola doesn't make a man! That's why we see lots of effeminate men looking for women that would take care of them !

They graduated from HARVARD!
Here's what u wrote:
Reality is: Women were not created to raise CHILDREN by themselves
Now you are saying it's only boys they can't raise.
Well, Obama was raised by a single mother. So were a whole bunch of Black American leaders
Mind u these are people at the very top. People worth billions of $. How much are u worth?

Heffalump:
If your pocket is rich, none (whether boy or girl) is difficult to raise. But if money no dey, they are both difficult tbh.

Summarized it well

SpencerForbes:
The mother will equally find it difficult to raise a daughter if the father figure is absent. That’s why we have lots of women pushing their daughters into hookup and baby mama life.

Reality is: Women were not created to raise children by themselves. So Irrespective of the child’s gender, the woman would do a bad work if the father is absent.

See below
And below that, all the circled were raised by single mothers

MaxInDHouse:
I'm sorry the words of faith is spiritual it can't make any sense to carnal men! Act 26:24🙂

So you can't be blamed!🙂

But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually. 1Corinthans 2:14

Meanwhile i won't deviate from the topic of discussion:
God gave humans FREEWILL that's why He will punish offenders!🙂

Ok, explain to us how this freewill works.
1) Man has choice, right? But this choice is based on something, right? Question: does man control what that choice is based on?
2) Does man in any way control inner workings of his brain which is where thought and therefore choice originates?
3) Did man give himself the type of brain he has that helps determine his choice?
4) Did man choose his circumstances and experiences that help determine his choice?
5) Did man give himself the type of personality he has that help determine his choice
6) Finally the religious one: How can things be foretold to happen thousands of years ahead of time as if they already happened - and they happen exactly as foretold! Can u please tell us how this and freewill can both be true.

Like I've said severally, all this is from human perspective - and of course man doesn’t know everything!

As for funny, please tell me how it is not funny that the world didn't started at creation but only after evil Adam ate apple and that the elect were chosen then but not chosen till John the Baptist!

Hedonisco:
If India, a de facto Nuclear Power and an almost $4 trillion (GDP) economy, is a 3rd World Country, then what is Nigeria? Certainly, Nigeria and India cannot be in the same 'world'. Let's start from there.

We need to have shame as shithole dwellers and 'mind our grammar' most times. How blind, crippled, deaf and dumb go dey call K Leg disabled?

Well, "third world" is euphemism for "developing nation" which is what India is.
Also see the underlined

Dtruthspeaker:
Hatechristians can lie.

Did you not support your brother who said a.i has freewill like humans?


Oya Lie and deny that you were not supporting him here

Wow! This forum is full of semi-illiterates
Can't you see he has "freewill" in quotes??
Read his posts before this

MaxInDHouse:
Founding means the beginning and the world means evildoers and their desires.

I told you but anger is depriving you of getting the sense of what i'm saying.

Nobody born of women is part of the elect until the day of John the baptist {Matthew 11:11} so if you want to talk of the elect think of those who were chosen in the day of Pentecost inside the upper chamber! Act 1:1

Many later became part of that fold but they were chosen based on what Psalms 24:4 says.

The decision to choose them is what the Bible calls from the founding of the world which happened when Adam and Eve turned their backs on their Creator and took side with Satan.

Do you realize how convoluted you sound?😅
This actually is soo funny!😂
Read it yourself like you're reading it for the first time and tell me you don't burst out laughing!🤣

BAILMONEY:
wetin naija government wan do for una again.

Den don make Mazi presidio for sokoto to avoid being drilled, yet that one nor do us . Wetin ipob want from federal government again

Biafra of course
Dumb question

terrezo2002:
It is obvious this is beyond physical.

Like when they played Nigeria. My uncle was there. That's why they were banned from World Cup

franchasng:
Indians are doing very well in business, both in their home country and outside India.

I love and cherish their entrepreneurial spirit

Yet they remain a poor third world country. Irony

MaxInDHouse:
From the foundation of the world not foundation of the earth.
The world means wicked people that will no longer exist when God's Kingdom comes {1John 2:15-17} so it's when these evil people began existing that God decided to choose rulers for His kingdom among loyal and honest hearted humans.
Criteria {Psalms 24:4} and they must have learned from the Christ!

Please explain us when earth became world. Was it when wicked Adam ate the fruit or Caine of Abel? And you still haven't told us what Elect DID at "foundation of world" when they didn't even exist OR Esau and Jacob OR Jeremiah and David

Dtruthspeaker:
These 2 people DiarisGodoo, QuinQ will tell you that it has freewill.

We never said AI has freewill. We said humans don't have freewill (from human perspective).
Relax, you LOST the argument. No big deal. Take your L and vamoose!😆

MaxInDHouse:
I guess when you say the elect you mean the chosen.
God never chose anyone until Christ has offered the ultimate sacrifice so the choosing starts from the moment God's holy spirit was poured on 120 disciples of Christ in the upper chamber on the day of Pentecost.
First of all an elect must be baptized in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit {Matthew 28:19} this means such a person knows how to explain the purpose of God, Christ and how the holy spirit works.
Secondly an elect must be baptized with God's holy spirit which signifies that such a person is marked as one of the corulers with Christ in heaven.
Only disciples of Christ can become one of the elect because the door to become spirit sons of God was opened after the ultimate sacrifice was done.
But what is the criteria for choosing the elect?
Someone may become a follower of Jesus after knowing that he is the Christ however to become one of the elect he must have an innocent hands and a pure heart must not swear a false oath neither takes an oath deceitfully {Psalms 24:4} these are the ones elected among Christ's disciples.
God began making provision after the rebellion in the garden of Eden that is why the scriptures say they have been chosen from the founding of the world because originally there was no preparation for any human to rule but after the rebellion in Eden God promised to select those who will rule with the Christ.
So the criteria is written in the Bible book of Psalms 24:3-5

What a rambling non-answer.😅
You were asked what the elect did to deserve NOT what was done to them. Then you quote they were chosen from the foundation of the earth then said they were not. Which is it?
While at it, tell us what Jacob DID to be loved from birth, and what Esau DID to be hated from birth.
Then tell us how God knew people BEFORE they DID anything, BEFORE he formed them in their mother's wombs! (Jeremiah 1:5, Psalm 139:13-16)

God1000:
Congratulations to him, he's a fearless man of integrity. His marriage is already blessed


I will name my son Yerima

Well, good for you! I'll name mine Wike

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ ASK QUESTIONS if you want to know!

God doesn't choose anyone who doesn't meet up with the criteria.

You keep saying ask questions when you can barely think!
What did the elect DO??
Bottom line, you've LOST the argument just like
Dtruthspeaker. You can't show anywhere in the Bible where God explicitly said he didn't know what would happen. Meanwhile you've been shown several places it says explicitly that God knows everything and even knows your thoughts before you think them.
Explain how things will go exactly according to God's plan if man had freewill. You can't!!
We are designed to think we have freewill but as often happens, the smartest amongst us were able to figure out we don't (at least from human perspective) and you haven't been able to show we do.
Like the other guy, you LOST!
Cheerios!