₦airaland Forum

Amujale:
What is the oldest civilisation in Asia?

What is the oldest civilisation in Nigeria?

Amujale:
What is the oldest civilisation in Europe?

What is the oldest civilisation in Nigeria?

Amujale:
I cannot understand why some Binni people have a distain for Yoruba, eventhough they have a huge amount that we have in common.

Instead of you to swallow your pride and take your placw in history, some will try to thhrow unecessary tantrums.

If you feel so strong about not being connected to Yoruba, its very easy.

Go to the Nigerian Supreme Court and file a class action recinding all your cultural and linguistic ties to Yoruba; without that you just have to accept the facts and lets get on with our lives.

That being said, the slavetrade was invented by Arabs.

The history of slavery is a horrific campaign that lasted for over 2000 years.

Prior to the Arabian slavetrade, there was no such thing that existed on the African continent.

Slavery in the context of the African is tantamount to POW's. There was never ever a culture of slavery prior to the Arabian one.


Kindly, hear me out, i'm not here to defend anyone's neffaious activities, and that includes the Benin Kingdom but to make something absolutely clear, all the blame of the slave trades lies squarely at the feet of the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

The notion that Benin kingdom sold other Africans into to slavery is absurd and a diservice to history.

Noone is saying that certain rulers in the Benin Kingdom carries no blame, what we does know is that the traitors and defectors at that time have a diminished responsibility given the fact that they was tricked and that the Portugese carry all the blame.

There is a 2000 year history of slavery on the continent.

1)The Arabian also known as the The Transaharan

2)The Portuguese

3)The Transatlantic

All of these occured in the above particular order.

Its important to note that the history of slavery is tantamount to thr history of Christianity and Islam on the African continent.

How do we know that the Benin Kingdom have a diminished responsibility.

We know this because the culture of slavery is unAfrican, whereas the Portuguese made a career out of these type of criminal activities.


The notion that Africans sold other Africans into slavery is a narrative that we must refrain from pushing, if not for the sake of transparecy, then maybe we ought to think about potential reparations.


For instance, certain legal forces in the African Anerican sector are looking to take the US government to the World Court in order to claim there reparations.

The slavery that occured in Africa wasnt the same slavery that the Arabian fundementalist and Eurocentric warmongers practised.

African concept of slavery was tantamount to POW's

The Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentrics version was demonic and sadistic.

macof:
There's nobody I envy more than Ibn Battuta though
Dude was Mr. Worldwide

WannaHowzit:
My takeaway from this is romance (Kenya) and a good read.

Is anyone bothered by Paul Kagame's alleged authoritarian style of leadership in Rwanda?

gregyboy:
Lol, like you dont know

gregyboy:
Indeed you're esan

Lol

AreaFada2:
You're right. It has become one. What our SW people do is just begin provocative threads about how Benin is part of Yoruba. They want to dominate Southern Nigeria like Hausa Fulani wants to dominate Nigeria.

When you dispute it, it turns to insult from them. They will start putting questionable publications forward. Benin are very assured and confident of own culture and history. Why they will start claiming Benin and then throw insults when you refuse their version is pathetic.

They say Benin is only a few local governments, etc. Then let it be. Do not be attaching to it.

The fact Benin punches very highly in African history worldwide is giving some people headache. Benin doesn't even lobby anybody abroad. Oba of Benin doesn't go abroad travelling to former slaves. Benin has no slave diaspora.

Benin is one of very few Africans that didn't sell its people. Oba banned Benin people from buying or selling slaves of any tribe. Long long before 1807 that Britain banned slavery. That's how sophisticated Benin has been.

Why would that lady accuse Benin of inferiority? Nothing in our history would make us feel inferior to anyone.

I believe those attaching to us or deliberately denigrating Benin that are trying to boost own ego. It's bullies that have ego problem. Not those they are trying to bully.

During Oba Ewuare II coronation speech in 2016, he narrated Benin history briefly including Ekaladerhan. He also made it clear that we the Benins are not to tell others their version of their history. Effectively he was saying let everybody write own history. Many Yoruba monarchs were there. So I very much agree with you. They should mind their business and leave Benin history to Benin people.

So when once in a while a Benin person counters with a thread, they go wild.

gregyboy:
Yea, benin started having the myth in the 1930s
During thier stay in the former western region
For political aspirations.....

This is why we are separating the myth from the truth

TAO11:
I know it gets really really sometimes.

It's actually not my style to go that route, and you will notice that from my exchange on the other thread yesterday even when the "Hebrew" guy called me "ridiculous".

But sometimes I am just forced to respond in kind if I notice it to be a recurring pattern from my interlocutor.

But I will look into that. Thanks for the advise!

TAO11:
Lol!

Seeing how tons and tons of misinformation is being spread here.

And it's only the Binis. Even the Yorubas too.

Notice what was going happening on the other thread yesterday!

NB:
Kindly modify the aspect of your comment that has some personal information about me. Not a fan of publicity like that. Lol. Thanks.

TAO11:
Oh just seeing this.

An Arab by the name Ibn Battûta!

TAO11:
Who was it
Moreover, more than 100 years before anything about Ubinu (Benin) was documented into writting, Ife has already been documented into writing by the most travelled human in the world's history.

TAO11:
Got you!

History should definitely be without bigotry, and that's the reason I'm bent on rehabilitating those guys with facts.
Lol .

AreaFada2:
Thing is SW claim to be educated, sophisticated and so anyone else in the South should not say a word. We all should allow them twist and turn our history.
In their mind all the Sango, Orunnmila, Oduduwa and all are true. Even though they are tribal oral stories with many versions. But Benin stories are simply myths. Di not even mention anything Igbo to them.

When correct their version of your own story they hurl vulgar agbero insults at you which at same time claiming sophisticated.
What they forget is history lives and breathes in Benin. Even each family has a praise name called uwaenmen. Each family. Each family also greets elders in the morning with an ancient specific greeting. Not good morning as most other tribes do.

In the absence of writing it helped to identify family clan. Upon greeting elders, you knowing the historical feats and strength of each family progenitor, you are praised accordingly.

That way each Benin family clan and history is told daily. Every morning. You will never be found dead greeting the clan greeting of another family. Unless you married into that clan as woman.

gregyboy:
Yea no one said anyone is lesser

The bone of contention here is setting our history right and devioding it from myth

African tribe like attaching thier history to an history that have solid background like yorubas saying they came from mecca and all that shit

We are faced by intertribal attache who will distort your history to accomodate them

Such as the benin-ife that never existed the yorubas are attaching themselves to the benin history and bringing myth into it thereby distorting documented written history of the Benin people

gregyboy:
We all west african but different tdibe and different history

TAO11:
Got you!

Moreover, there is a specific reason why I insist on correcting your description of this specific account as myth.

And the reason is simply that early eye-witness European writtings from as early as the 1500s testify to the dynastic dependence of Benin Kingdom on Ife.

Moreover, there are tons upon tons of historical writtings from historians all over the world affirming the account as history.

Those boys are only jonzing!

TAO11:
Got you!

The Ife-Benin relationship is although well established with early-1500s European writtings which speak to it.

And regarding mythology, yes it pervades all cultures and history in the world not only Bini or Nigeria.

However, experts examining mythologies all over the world do not simply discount mythologies as valueless.

In fact, what I have learnt recently from examining mythologies from many ancient cultures around the world (particularly Flood myths), is that those myths didn't actually pop up from thin air.

Considering their preponderance in almost all cultures of the ancient world (from Asia, to Europe, to the Americas, and to Africa) among other reasons, geo-mythologists conclude that they are based on a kernel of historical fact and event that later became exaggerated, distorted, snowballed into what have come to meet them to be.

TAO11:
Hahahahaha!

So, history submits that Ife and Benin has dynastic connections with Ife being the origin of the Benin dynasty.

All Ife traditional accounts consistently aligns with this historical submission in its entirety.

Classical Benin traditional accounts align with this historical submission, while [b]modern (from the 1970s) Benin accounts although agree with the connection asserts that Benin is the origin of the Ife monarchy.

Now, all the foregoing Bini Nairalanders used to agree with the modern Bini account until a couple of weeks ago when something happened.

Weeks ago, I demonstrated that the scholars of Benin history the world-over regard the modern Benin account as an "apocryphical", a "pseudohistorical", a "deliberately unauthentic" narrative made up by some Bini intelligentsia in order to ground the false idea of some exceptional antiquity for their people.

After, this exposé, they became stuck in between two options, viz.

(1) Accepting the historical account that Ife is the origin of Benin's present dynasty, or

(2) Rejecting the Ife and Benin Connection altogether.

Guess what they went with! ... Your guess is has good as mine.

TAO11:
Exactly! Except that no historian regard such Bini account as myth.

Moreover, I know you to an extent that I am most certain that you as a person do no harbour such low-self esteem to cause you to feel inferior because of the existence of such accounts.

There are however some of your own? --- such as gregyboy, davidnazee, samuk, and to some extent AreaFada2, among others --- who are so miserably riddled by inferiority complex, low-self esteem, delusions of grandeur, and insecurity --- that they will go to any extent (including insulting Benin Kings sometimes) just to dissociate themselves from the real-world of sanity.

So my engagement with them is actually in the context of rehabilitation (or put differently in religious context --- reviving lost souls).

To achieve this end, I some times adopt the idea of tough love, in case you see me go hard. It's all for their food.

And so far, I and other on my team are winning this battle against insanity.

Cheers!

TAO11:
Exactly! Except that no historian regard such Bini account as myth.

Moreover, I'm mos certain that you as a person do no harbour such low-self esteem to cause you feel inferior because of such as account.

Hkwever

gregyboy:
Owioba

Thats true......

How would someone leave the shores of africa and go beyond the continet to trace it origin leaving behind the closest african countries


It spells inferiority complex all over thier comment for a 60page thread


Edo are more reasonable thinkers than our brothers from the west

https://www.nairaland.com/5824498/benin-ife-never-connections-more

gregyboy:
Owioba

Thats true......

How would someone leave the shores of africa and go beyond the continet to trace it origin leaving behind the closest african countries


It spells inferiority complex all over thier comment for a 60page thread


Edo are more reasonable thinkers than our brothers from the west

https://www.nairaland.com/5824498/benin-ife-never-connections-more

gregyboy:
Hmm wetin u dey find for Yoruba thread

Come join us for benin-ife connection, i hope you have nor been yorubanise

What part of edo are you from

Obalufon:
all you people do is read book written by stupid people .

Obalufon:
i bet you are more knowledgeable than cheik anta diop .. Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan.. Dr. John Henrik Clarke

gregyboy:
Finally a Yoruba who sees what i see