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The unbalanced nature of marriage in conservative societies,I think you should try and cut expenses and try to have your own personal savings in case of incasity

As for your husband he has issues with it ego,I don't want to sugarcoat your situation,I feel is best you talk to him and let him know how you feel if he refuses to change then is either you leave or you bear and try more ways to make your husband see reason.

And for ladies I don't know why you guys do this stop rating men based on how religious they are,look at his character,check the history of his relationship,how does he treat women aside you,how does he talk about women,what are his future plans,what does he think of marital roles

Please shine your eyes don't rush into marriage with "brother in the lord" or "I will help him grow" and then later start crying

Lol that one is worst,just got to thailand,vietnam,phillipines and see the way their women chase after whitemen,whitemen now run to east or south east asia to go and look for women,even the immigrant in usa check is mostly asian women going in whitemen

Every society has a thing for foreigners

drips8:
The obsession with white men is worse with Asian women. An Asian guy on quora once wrote about how he wishes were white as they got all the attractive Asian girls in Hong Kong despite the fact that some of the Asian guys were younger, better looking and even richer.

Nah don't mind him,he sounds pained,maybe one of them did him bad,is just the same way we Nigerians love to peddle negative stereotypes about ourselves,you'll see Nigerians abroad telling white people bad things about us

STILESGANG:
The op disgusts me,he sounds like a user and a man without principle and yet he is trying to claim the moral high ground ,you hate African American women so much yet you lay with them,how is he any different from a white supremacist?.I would never be with people I hate.Never!.People like him create hatred and animosity for other Nigerians with their selfish actions.

Hope you know we have nigerian history right?

And it doesn't start from slave trade or colonization??

And geogrpahically africa was one of the worst places to live,that's why romans,Greeks even early Europeans didn't bother on conquest till scramble of African,even then modern medicine and weaponry was already advanced enough

Asking what africa was doing is the same as asking what native Americans or aborginals in australia was doing,people develop differently

alphaNomega:
My question is, "What were the black folks doing before first contact with white people?"

That's actually one of my many questions, but I agree with you on not derailing this wonderful thread.

Until next time.

Lol look at this sexually starved dude,so everything is about sex lol you need help

alphaNomega:
Toto, you no go see

Is the faux morality,just look at Ghana they just did their year of return and lots of african americans from usa to the caribbeans came to ghana,but what do we nigerians do Yeah gaint of africa,I won't lie african americans are not better,but at least we should try as africans to bridge the gap,I really felt sad reading the thread,this app could be a way for african Americans to connect and learn about Nigerian culture but no we just engage in the same ignorance and bigotry like the ADOS in america

STILESGANG:
Nigerians are hypocrites,we talk about other people’s shit while our house is in disarray.it is who we are!

That's good to hear

khia:
I have been a member here for 9 years and believe me I have seen worse. They are little children in grown bodies they can't mess with me. Thanks for your concern.

Bro this right yeah is it,i don't know why nigerians are so obsessed with supremacy battles,culturally we are not even better,I don't agree with many things about african american culture but that doesn't mean i go around hating,I just wish nigerians will get their shit together

STILESGANG:
Most of them dreaming about white women haven’t even left Nigeria so I would’nt pay them no mind.Leave them isn’t ehri fantasies.

The world sees Nigerians as scammers,drug pushers and people who would cut corners and take advantage of the next man,does that mean all Nigerians are like that.Hell no!
I don’t like being stereotyped so I would never do that to anyone.

And yes,African Americans have being the biggest contributor to the black race both negatively and positively.its a two edged sword.

And I laugh when Nigerians look down on anyone,we are joke of a country,running around in circles without actually getting anything done.
We should get to work and take our rightful place as the pride of black people instead of engaging in stupid supremacy battles with other cultures that majority of the Africans won’t even meet in their lifetime anyway.

Ohh just wanted to be sure,please don't mind nigerians on this thread though,that's how they behave,they don't represent nigerians at all,though there is a lot to learn between our communities due to our history,know that we nigerians are peaceful and loving people,don't mind the bad ones,I think you should just avoid the thread as many here are bigots,there are lots of thread here that you can benefit from rather than waste it on people who follow negative stereotypes.

khia:
Black American.

I have been reading your replies are you an african-american or nigerian-american??

khia:
So who made this thread based on lies and deception? Who made this thread from pure hatred, pain and stupidity? I would think your brothers were smart enough to see that this boy is in a lot of pain. The op has been seriously hurt by a black American woman and this thread is his way of striking back. He needs a therapist to help him through his pain.

Did you even read what I wrote

It seems you are just a sentimental racist who have no time for proven evidence but afrocentric claims

Okay give me evidence to any archealogical research showing that all white people came from Caucasus

Lol you say you hate eurocentrism so much but you are here defending eurocentrism 101

Just shows you are not as well read as you claim

Reading some books from Cheik anta diop another afrocentric doesn't make it correct

And yes I would love to dead this discussion as i engage conversations that works on credible evidence,not racial politics and racial history

Amujale:
No you did not.

Etymology: the origin of a word and the historical development of its meaning.

The story you gave is not the etymology of the term 'Caucasoid', rather its an invalid ramble that has no logical link to anything other than nothing.

As i stated earlier.

The true etymology is rooted in the 'Caucasus Mountains'

Caucasus - Caucasoid - Caucasian

That is where the term has its origin, and as such, is the accurate historical development of the term and its meaning.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

You know africa is not an indigenous word by africans right,do you even know when africa even became widely used

And how many times have told you yes

And I have told you if you find it offensive,you use congoid

Africa is diverse,is like chinese people saying don't use mongoloid use asian see where it becomes a problem

Amujale:
You tell me.

Let me try again.

Does you refer to yourself as a Negroid?

It isnt a trick question.

Let me attempt to assist you, i do not refer to myself as a Negroid, i refer to myself as an Africansic.

A old adage says:

"A kii go titi ki a maa feran ara eni"

Interpretion:
"One would never be so foolish to not want to wish well on ones own self"

Just because one reads in a book that some Eurocentric numskull pseudo-scientist came up with a nonsensical classification using a term that has always been derogatory shouldnt mean that we are to accept that as our truth.

No i reject that completely and utterly.

I want to put this discussion to bed.

Heard about it on facebook,so i thought i should check it out

Dude you nor try at all,what did you expect writing such thread,stereotyping african Americans,you should be ashamed of yourself

One of the issues with marriage,since she got married she hasn't been doing very well in the music industry,I just hope for comeback one day

Ah,it was back in 200level,I will waste card calling this girl,always follow her to night class as she couldn't read alone,when she was broke poor student like me will give her the little I have,I thought it was love ohh,but then she was a Muslim,I thought with time she will date me as she said she loved me,but i don't know the charms she used for me though,only for me to realize she had a bf in 400level who wasn't around so I was playing back up,nah I still remember the tears,small thing aunty didn't like to pick my calls,she won't allow me touch her,before you know religion came inside,till I later realized that her bf has resurfaced,ahh nah was too painful I cried sha cause heaven knows I truly loved that girl

How was my comment sly Even when tao11 replies me i always tell her i'll do my own research,meaning I do not necessary agree with everything anyone says here I come to my own conclusion

Bullied?? How?? cause i don't go about insulting people??

As I have repeated I do not have interest in any tribal war or debate

Again I do not believe in whatever anyone write that's why I said "I do not agree per say" that was not to sly you or disprove of your questions or observation but to tell you that I just read and come to my own personal conclusion

Anyways I apologize if my reply might have sounded offensive i did not in any way try to downplay your contribution in favor of tao11,and as I have repeated here I have no beef with anyone and I honestly have no interest in all these debate and quarrels am just interested in some topics and question.

samuk:
It didn't concern you, you should have just read my post, take whatever you wish from it or even ignore it without making the sly remark you made about I was not taking his words per say.

You being Edo was questioned because Edo people do not easily give in to bullies and being cowered, you started well with your questions which I told you repeatedly but you carry on like someone that is afraid of being insulted and then settle for less.

Edo people are usually with very sound reasoning and don't settled for less.

How would Benin artworks that were never sold or prohibited from being sold by the Oba deprive Ife of its artworks market, which art markets did Ife sell their artworks to that Benin took over from them.

If you are here on nairaland to believe every copy and paste irrespective of the academic titles of the authors without interrogating what you are being presented, you will hardly learn anything other than what others regurgitated.

Thanks for this I really appreciate the well thought explanation.

OgboAto:
I'll begin with the second part I emboldened. The factor you stated as the cause of the gap between the Old & New Egypt is not only incorrect but an outright oversimplification of a historical process that took a long time.

The Egyptians were conquered & reconquered by several groups starting with the Greeks, to the Romans, to the Arabs, to the several Berber tribes & Mamluks, to the Ottomans & finally the British. However, the Greek & Roman invasions were recorded to have forced migration of Egyptians into Mid-East, Sahara belt & the West of North Africa for instance thereby leaving a gap between the monuments/arts from pre-historic times and the post-Rome Egypt. The gist is, at the time the Arabs and British got there, the gap between Old & New Egypt had already been created.

For the first emboldened line, the Ife made art works in Stones, Clay, Bronze & Iron. Several of the production sites have been discovered and written about extensively by archeologists, many who made their entire careers from studies on Ile-Ife.

I have attempted to provide a snapshot of some of the studies discussing production sites of some of these works in Ile-Ife. However, there are compounds in Ile-Ife today whose Oriki describe their exploits in Stone working, Iron working, Bronze working & Bead Industry. For instance, Hon Ajilesoro, a member of the HOR, is from Obalufon house but his name describes his ancestors' role in bead making industry - their oriki explores full gist. In fact, the name 'Ajilesoro' is derived from a process of bead making.

Anyway, a few of these compounds still hold on to & operate their ancestral professions today particularly in Bronze & Iron working today using the original sites they began from in pre-historic times. Be that as it may, there appears to be a gap between the many monuments from Ife & the Ife of today [like the Egyptian monuments & the Egyptians of today] and this is due to shifts in the items of value; each Ooni from the time past seemed to have a preference for certain professions which they served as patrons for; & the wars with Modakeke leading to the expulsion of Ife for about two consecutive times leading to the migration of Ife to Isoya, Oke Igbo, Ifewara, Ifetedo where a good number refused to return for fear of the war reoccurring. For instance, Ooni Obalufon sponsored Bronze industry; Ooni Lajamisan sponsored bead industry; Ooni Lafogido sponsored stone industry; and Ooni Okiti heavily promoted Iron industry. This state backing had effected on the line of profession and item of trade the people pursued thereby causing a shift in continuity of these things. Furthermore, if you've read Wydham's account of his visit to Ife, he saw so many monuments/artifacts abandoned and many carted of by the Modakeke during the wars.

Conversely, if you look at Bini, you'll find the Bronze and Bead works in that region appear to have been continuously sponsored by every of their Kings. This long term stability created some time of preservation of profession and continuity.

Am not entirely incorrect if I go by egyptian history,egyptian culture went uninterrupted till hellenistic plotemic period where hellinistic culture and knowledge spread in greek city of alexandria,even at that Egyptian culture was still with the native population as plotemies took in Egyptian culture,there was alot of egyptian arts during plotemic and early roman period,Egypt large monument were already in decline for centuries due to environmental and political issues affecting egypt before Greeks or romans came,egypt never lost their population demograph,hence why plotemies enlisted egyptians in their armies,and roman soldiers were always ending riots,egypt was the food basket of the roman empire and one of the most populated and "settled places with cities" In the ancient world,Egyptian indigenous culture went into decline due to spread of Christianity and continued in a mixed greek christian coptic culture and ended with Arab conquest,and present day egypt is "Arab" the only remnance of ancient egypt in modern Egyptian culture today is the "coptic language" and there wasn't a forced migration out,conquest doesn't lead to depopulation,and there was never a record of large scale famine,enslavement of the native population,or large scale genocide to have warranted an exodus,pheonicians went arab,persia went hellinistic and muslim persia thanks to greek and arab conquest

OgboAto:
I'll begin with the second part I emboldened. The factor you stated as the cause of the gap between the Old & New Egypt is not only incorrect but an outright oversimplification of a historical process that took a long time.

The Egyptians were conquered & reconquered by several groups starting with the Greeks, to the Romans, to the Arabs, to the several Berber tribes & Mamluks, to the Ottomans & finally the British. However, the Greek & Roman invasions were recorded to have forced migration of Egyptians into Mid-East, Sahara belt & the West of North Africa for instance thereby leaving a gap between the monuments/arts from pre-historic times and the post-Rome Egypt.

For the first emboldened line, the Ife made art works in Stones, Clay, Bronze & Iron. Several of the production sites have been discovered and written about extensively by archeologists, many who made their entire career from studies on Ile-Ife.

I have attempted to provide a snapshot of some of the studies discussing production sites of some of these works in Ile-Ife. However, there are compounds in Ile-Ife today whose Oriki describe their exploits in Stone working, Iron working, Bronze working & Bead Industry. For instance, Hon Ajilesoro, a member of the HOR, is from Obalufon house but his name describes his ancestors' role in bead making industry - their oriki explores full gist.

Anyway, a few of these compounds still hold on to & operate their ancestral professions today particularly in Bronze & Iron working today using the original sites they began from in pre-historic times. Be that as it may, there appears to be a gap between the many monuments from Ife & the Ife of today [like the Egyptian monuments & the Egyptians of today] and this is due to shifts in the items of value; each Ooni from the time past seemed to have a preference for certain professions which they served as patrons for; & the wars with Modakeke leading to the expulsion of Ife for about two consecutive times leading to the migration of Ife to Isoya, Oke Igbo, Ifewara, Ifetedo where a good number refused to return for fear of the war reoccurring. For instance, Ooni Obalufon sponsored Bronze industry; Ooni Lajamisan sponsored bead industry; Ooni Lafogido sponsored stone industry; and Ooni Okiti heavily promoted Iron industry. This state backing had effected on the line of profession and item of trade the people pursued thereby causing a shift in continuity of these things. Furthermore, if you've read Wydham's account of his visit to Ife, he saw so many monuments/artifacts abandoned and many carted of by the Modakeke during the wars.

Conversely, if you look at Bini, you'll find the Bronze and Bead works in that region appear to have been continuously sponsored by every of their Kings. This long term stability created some time of preservation of profession and continuity.

Meaningless story lol I just gave you the etymology of the term "Caucasoid" you can check it up if you like and decide whether it suits you or discard it as "eurocentric"

Why should I refer to myself as "Caucasoid"

According to racial classifications am I "Caucasoid"

If you find the term so offensive then use you preferred synonym "congoid" as i constantly said I refer to racial classification.and

Ha

Amujale:
I wasnt asking you based on anything, neither was i asking you for a nonsensical and meaningless story.

My question was, what is the etymology for the term 'Caucasoid'.

Does you refer to yourself as a Caucasoid or a Negroid?

But sorry to ask how does that involve me?? If tao11 insults you and you do to her I wonder how that involves me,anyways as I said I have no problem with anyone

samuk:
I doubt if you can point to where I went personal on her. I only pointed to her insults but I never replied her with insults because that would have derailed the debate.

Anyway, keep up the questions, they are interesting.

Thanks for your reply,as usual well written and organized,I just wish some people will learn to reply me without being rude like well educated human beings

TAO11:
Oh, now I get!

Regarding why we see a discontinued production in modern Ife, in contrast to some continue production in modern Benin Kingdom:

The answers to this lies in an interplay of two important factors, namely: timeline and power.


Earlier on, I alluded to the scientific dating techniques which situates the beginning of the casting tradition of Ife to some centuries before Benin's beginnings. To quote the precise words again, R. Horton writes:

"Along with the new iconographic findings, we have also acquired an impressive series of dates. Application of carbon-14 and thermoluminescence techniques to excavated materials has enabled us to assign approximate absolute dates to several major Ife settlement levels and to the terra-cotta and brass works associated with them. Dates for terra-cotta pieces range from c. A.D. 1000 onward; whilst dates for brass pieces range from c. A.D. 1275 to c. A.D. 1440. Application of these techniques to materials from Owo and Benin has also enabled us to assign dates to some of the "classical" terra-cotta and brass-work associated with these cities. Significantly, the Owo and Benin date-series begin slightly later than their Ife counterparts. One particularly interesting Benin date is for a brass piece previously assessed by Fagg and Dark as early on the ground of its Ife-type naturalism. Thermoluminescence tests give it a date of c. A.D. 1420 -- just what it should be on the premises adopted by these authors.*"

Reference:
Robin Horton, "Ancient Ife: A Reassessment", Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4 (JUNE 1979), pp.86-87.

It becomes clear from the foregoing that Benin metal casting tradition begins towards the end-date obtainable for the Ife works in the early 1400s. This relatively newcomer casting tradition of Benin then continues till the arrival of the Portugues in c.1480 and beyond.

It is import to notice that, interestingly, the beginnings of the metal casting tradition Benin almost coincides perfectly with the gradual rise of Benin Kingdom as a power during the reign of Ewuare1.

This intersection of the casting tradition with the rise of Benin Kingdom as a power serves to bolster the tradition till the fall of the kingdom in 1897. Although, some volume of production may have survive in modern times even after the fall in 1897, these volume of production can not possibly be comparable to the volume of production when the kingdom was at its height.

In all, the beginning of the tradition in Benin as well as the rise and fall the Benin Kingdom is closer to our modern times.


In contrast to Benin, Ife emerged as a power in the West Africa region from c.900AD up to c.14550AD when it fell. In relation to this R. Horton writes:

"Phase 2. (900 A.D.-1450 A.D.)
Ife emerged as a power in the region after the main wave of Yoruba expansion and cultural differentiation."

Reference:
Ibid., p.140.

Just like in the latter Benin case, Ife's art tradition spanning (1000AD to 1440AD) coincides almost perfectly with its rise as a power. It becomes obvious then that its fall plays a roll in the gradual decline of its art tradition obviously.

In fact, the factors responsible for its fall, are such peculiar factors as to necessitate the termination of its rich casting tradition. Interestingly and luckily for Benin Kingdom, such are not the same factors that led to Benin's fall.

Some of these factors are discussed under R. Horton's "phase 3 summary" as follows:

"Phase 3. (1450 A.D.-1650 A.D.)
Two outlying Ife provincial centres, Benin and Oyo, developed new trade routes linking seaboard, forest and savanna. These routes by-passed Ife to the east and the west. Early on, they provided alternative avenues for the traditional goods of the old central route. Later, they provided avenues for inland transportation of the important new supplies of cheap copper and iron brought to the coast by European merchants, thus giving Benin and Oyo rather than Ife first access to these vital commodities. In addition, Oyo, apparently borrowing the idea from its northern neighbours, developed a powerful cavalry force which enabled it to dominate the area between the forest and the Niger. These commercial and military developments tipped the balance of wealth and power away from Ife and toward Benin and Oyo. Both of the latter became independent of Ife. And as they started to overshadow the former metropolis, they drew much of its population away from it. Inspired by their example and encouraged by the dwindling power of Ife, other newly prosperous provincial centres followed them into independence ; and they too became magnets for the city's population. Ife was left small, poor, militarily weak and culturally impoverished."

Reference:
Ibid., p.141.

In all, the beginning of the tradition in Ife as well as the rise and fall Ife is father away from our modern times than Benin's.

I complemented her as I complemented you,I only said I didn't "take your words" same way I don't take her words,I tend to come to my own personal conclusion,you guys have been throwing bants since and I have never held it against any of you whatever your problems are I tend not to be involved,when I replied you did I in any way insult you??

So why does that dude feel he can come under my thread questioning me and being rude,I have no bone of contention in you guys ethnic quarrels,just because am Edo doesn't mean I should go around fighting pointless ethnic battles

samuk:
What was pointed out was, you overlooked TAO11 insults to me and not only complemented her but went on to say you didn't take my words per say but ends up asking the very questions which I raised.

Guy, I have nothing against you or anyone, if you had care to notice, you would have realised that despite TAO11 insults, I didn't reply her insults but concentrated on raising my points because there may be other silent readers who are sincerely interested on the points being raised beyond the insults.

I already explain the origin of the word caucasoid being used as a racial classification is there go back and see it

Yes based on racial classificiations

Amujale:
I am 100% certain that the term Caucasoid is rooted from the Caucasus Mountains.

Give us your logical reason where the term Caucasoid is meant to have originated

Lets cut to the chase.

Does you refer to yourself as a Negroid?

You guys are jokers,what double standard dude came under my thread being rude to me and asking why i didn't reply someone who replied toyou with insults

You guys truly have issues,so because am Edo I should go about throwing insults and engaging arguments with insults,did I insult you did I insult tao11,so what's you guys problem??

samuk:
I actually noticed the double standard but didn't want to derail the debate.

As for whether he is Edo or not, don't forget that there are Edo with complex issues.

All the same, I actually found his questions interesting, that was why I even bordered commenting on them.

Lol so all parts of africa sold slaves bro pick a history book

nobaga:
Here we go again.

Not all Africans, eh? Name the ones that were not or affected by the legacy and vestiges of slavery up today today. Abi slavery na lielie sef.




Africans Are Still White And Foreigners' Slaves Mentally - Politics - Nairaland. Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General

But I am not using eurocentric history,and early humans where different i mean you can't support "all humans came from africa" and then go against it,just because that one has "africa" but it takes account of africa if not there would be no "early humans were all from africa" I really don't know what more you expect

And caucasians came from africa,evolution focuses heavily on africa,I don't know what you want not every thing about history is racial politics modern humans you see evolved recently,if you choose not to believe fine,we have people who don't believe in evolution

Amujale:
Eventhough i dont subscribe to the notion of early human being different from the modern ones.

Humans have always been the same, its technology that has changed.

However, note taken.

The history of the Caucasoid begins during the stone age, whilst Africans had already experienced hundreds of thousands of years of existence prior to that.

Its important to note that the current Eurocentric model of history doesnt account for
the parts of world history that doesnt involve the Caucasoid.

What some would tend to deem pre history is infact major parts of Africansic history.

Noone is in control, possess the qualification to address the narratives of African history except for the African

1.Maths teacher and you going around being rude I wonder the type of knowledge you are impacting on those students

2.profile,profile really Dude you need help

3.lol am not Edo,if that makes you sleep well at night keep debating my ethnicity

4.Oga read what you wrote to me,is that how to ask questions,if so you need help

5.lol you think I have time for you guys stupid tribal debates you do here

6."incredibly dumb" keep going I told you this was what you were born to do,keep going

Lol I wonder why you think am interested in tao11 if you like her just tell her.

Ghostwon5:
1) I am a maths teacher, not a French teacher, but everything is pretty much the same to brainless youth like you, isn't it ?

2) I didn't say I am here to learn: well your nairaland profile says otherwise.

3) it is quite clear that you are not Edo. Unless you are just the dumbest Edo ever.

4) you are calling me out for insults but I just saw you reply tao11's comment which contained insults against Samuk and you didn't even mention the insult, rather you thanked him for the comment. Double standard ?

5) you are a liar whom is full of poo. You better say your true ethnicity.

Although it remains clear that you are incredibly dumb.




If you are just trying to bone tao11, then just do so and stop making foolish comments out of your sexual frustrations.

Again thanks for the insults,even the french can be stupid or didn't they teach you French history while in france

And you have a serious problem with reading and understanding

Lol I follow who I follow,I don't look at tribe,if you bring productive information rather than rants of a mad man maybe i follow you too

Did I ever say I was here to learn,so asking questions on this forum is now getting an education,dude you are truly pained

And with this reply you gave me who do you think is a troll

Lol clap for yourself "2nd hand" albert einstein it seems with the way you write you are very intellectual

Bini myths I heard from Bini,Bini myth I read from Bini history,am so sorry I don't have time to know which is Yoruba propaganda or not

You are very demented,but I know you're type you find value in your miserable ranting on this forum so I will gladly urge to continue doing what you know how to do best and was born to do

"Being Useless" french teacher indeed can't even type a constructive sentence without being rude you must have abused poorly as child

Ghostwon5:
Weird since the comment which you are quoting contains no insults at all.

For your info, I am a maths teacher in France. I have a master's degree in pure maths from a French university. I teach high school.

You have a problem with the fundamental art of thinking properly.

How you chose to not only follow but also elogise a Yoruba troll who passes all his time online insulting, disrespecting and defaming the group of people who h you claim to belong to is beyond my comprehension.

But this is just one of the things about you which don't make sense.
You think nairaland is a university and so you are "here to learn", wtf ?

You are confusing trolls with professors mate.

I am not expecting Nigerians to be geniuses but some people like you just lack the little touch of intellect which I expect every adult to have.

I haven't even talked about the fact that you literally repeated Yoruba-centric propaganda and called it"Bini myths", wtf ?

Thanks for this,I didn't take his word per say,just unlike the benins i have never heard of ife bronze culture in modern times,I was just wondering why it didn't survive till modern times(or if it did and I am unaware of then is my bad)

Was it due to loss of power of ife

Famine,disease,war

Colonization

Christianity and rise of islam

Take example we know for sure egyptian culture when to decline not due to invasion or population change as widely claimed,but first spread of christianity before it was finally killed out by arab conquest.

TAO11:
@RamessesIV

I feel obliged to correct a false impression which you may have been unfortunately led to beleive.

First of all, whenever the illiterate samuk addresses any statement (which are almost always false) to you, please type the following to him in response and notice what happens:

Can you provide me an evidence to substantiate this statement?

I can't remember him citing any reference for any statement he has ever made --- not even a newspaper reference.

Having said that, he has made a number of unfortunately false statement such as the following:

(1) He falsely stated that the bronze casting tradition is absent in the oral traditions of the Ife people.

(2) He falsely noted that the discovery of artwork in Ife came as a shocking surprise to the locals.

(3) He falsely noted that the Ife people themselves ascribe the production of the artworks to some Middle Easterns.

I can understand that you took his words for it because you wouldn't have any reason to doubt or distrust someone as a default.

However, what you did not know about this individual is that he is a sad bigoted mythomaniac --- especially when it concerns Ife and Yoruba as a whole.

Going forward, if you must type anything in response to any statement he makes, then such response should at least contain the following question:

"Can you provide me an evidence to substantiate this statement?"

Having said that, his statements which he tries hard to persuade you to believe (in the hope that evidence is not demanded) are not only hopelessly unfounded, but are also blatantly false.

Contrary to what he prays that you (and everyone else) should beleive, the Ife people have always being aware of the history of their sculptural art tradition (from time immemorial) long before the first archaeological excavation for artworks in Ife.

Recall that I noted in my first set of replies to you that Leo Frobenius had already heard about the Olokun artwork of the Ife people (during the course of his travels through West Africa) even before he visited Nigeria for the first time in 1910 for the first Ife art excavation.

To be emphatic, the Ife casting tradition is well known in the art tradition of the ancient Ife people. They see a number of these bronzes and terracotas everyday in their daily rituals.

In fact, they have a name for the Ife king who initiated and founded the sculptural art tradition in Ife.

His name is unanimously known in the traditions as Obalufon Alaiyemore --- popularly known in academia as Obalufon II.

In sum, a number of the Ife artworks were always in the custody of the palace (from generation to generation) since the time of their production.

They were not all "discovered" in the context of archaeological excavation. As such, the discovery did not conceivable come as any shock whatsoever to the Ife people.

Some of such works that were not discovered in the context of archaeological excavation include the following among others:

(i) The Obalufon Head (see 1st attachment).

(ii) The Lajuwa Head (see 2nd attachment).

(iii) The Olokun Head which used to be buried at the Ebolokun grove, and then unearthed only to be again reburied (and so forth) in connection to certain periodic rituals. (see 3rd attachment).

(iv) The finely carved quartz ritual stool given as a gift by the Ooni in 1895 to Sir Gilbert Carter. 

This quartz stool is one of the first Ife work to be seen outside of Africa as it entered the British Museum collections in 1896. (see 4th attachment)

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Note how you choose to believe and follow what suits your agenda? Anything you dont like is "eurocentrism"

Did I talk about who were the most beautiful,i explained to you the origin of "Caucasoid"

"Poorly read on history" lol says the person who believes all people grouped understand"caucasoid" came from caucasus mountain

All modern human descends from early humans who migrated out of africa thank you

Caucasoid was coined due to the fact people from there were "too white and consider beautiful" hence the theory "all white people" came from there

Melanin is not just what made them different,I wonder the fixation on melanin,but you are right natural selection did its work same way it did here in africa

And thanks I don't get my information from only books,I follow well researched,peer reviewed work,and I am open to new information as far as it is devoid from politics and racial nationalism

Amujale:
You are alone with that kind of Eurocentric understanding, as i for one doesnt subscribe to that nonsense.

The most beautiful humans are the Africansic.

Furthermore, you are poorly read on history. The Caucasus Mountains is where the cave dwellers originate.

Theres a huge amount of missing information that i neednt divulged here, however, what is never in dispute is that everone came out of Africa.

It is supposed that they some how lost there pigmentation and became melanin passive.

The caucasoid as they themselves allude to at a certain point in time found themselves in the Caucasus Mountain. i.e Krubera Cave of the Western Caucasus range.

It is from here that they later dispersed into Asia and Europe.

These stock of Asians and Europeans have been around for no longer than 10,000 years as scientific analysis suggest.

Go and read a proper and genuine history textbook.

horners share similar traits,if it was about mixing with romans,and Greeks then these genes would have been limited to a certain population as the horn was already settled and populated,and they actually rolled with Arabs not greeks or romans.

Note the horn of africa is the proposed exist of early modern humans and entry of another set of people,so their 40% estimated caucasoid genes is mostly from the neolithic era.

Amujale:
Assuming you are well learnt in African history, that wouldnt suprise you.




Eventhough history teaches us of an Arab, Greek and Roman presence in those regions.

The horners consist mainly of the Barbari, Eritreans, Ethiopians and the Somalians

So there should be no suprise that we will find Caucasoid amongst them, especially the Barbari.